Post by: Robotam on March 14, 2006, 03:08:19 PM
Half of this month has passed and I've noticed that a lot of posts and treads are dissapearing. Where does these threads and posts go? And who is responsible?
I know that being a moderator for a lot of forums ain't the easiest thing. And for the members it's not always a respectable job either, you get complains day in and day out because you're trying to do your job right. But what's going on now is far from right. And I am directing this mostly to you, Ghostclown and Carmen.
I've done some research. Do anyone have a clue how many mod actions there has been just this month? 72 to be precisely.
Exactly 40 of these are carmen's deleting threads and posts actions. And Ghostclown has deleted 17 posts and threads. Razor deleted only 3, I believe FFL deleted 2 and Kijuki deleted 1 (his own). If you don't believe me, check the logfile and see for yourselfes.
Why do you think we have the junkbin forum? Have you forgotten about it? Or is it that it's a lot easier to just press the delete button?
Alex has said many times that deleting posts and threads, that's just something we do when we absolutely needs it.
And the posts you've deleted aren't things that had to be deleted.
I'll give you two examples:
Date: Mon 13 Mar 2006, 08:23 pm
Mod: GhostClown (4681)
Post owner: Meiscool (17112)
Action: deletepost
Thread: The Story of Palis- New screenshots added (post) (221183)
Forum: Games (11)
Now, I know what this post was.
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Me: That's not the same chipset, nor is that a temple. :P
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Meiscool: I hate you now.
As usual Meiscool is using his sarcasm because I happen to pwn him. But do you think that really had to be deleted? It's not like it was offending me or anything.
Example two:
Date: Mon 13 Mar 2006, 12:36 pm
Mod: carmen (2799)
Post owner: Archem2 (16720)
Action: deletethread
Thread: Oddness. (15924)
Forum: All of all! (12)
In this thread Archem was giving us a Half-life screenshot where we were to guess what was wrong with it.
Now, we weren't even done discussing about it untill it got deleted. Archem never confirmed everything, and even if he would it should be locked and not deleted. But we still had a lot to talk about when it suddenly just wasn't there anymore.
I can't recall any of my posts getting deleted, but I know I'd be pissed if they did. And I am actually already pissed because some of these things I end up wasting my time looking for.
I want to know if I'm the only one who've noticed this.
Or if anyone agrees with me that this is wrong.
So please, share your opinions.
http://charas-project.net/forum/admin/0_control.html
Post by: Grandy on March 14, 2006, 03:25:54 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 14, 2006, 03:52:53 PM
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 14, 2006, 04:01:45 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
Those are dumbass posts, and I don't think anybody wants this to turn into a dumbass forum.
Dumbass or not itīs not your opinion thatīll tell the forum's will. Neither Carmenīs or GCīs. If the threads are deceased by flame and spam itīs ok to lock or even delete (if absurd). Otherwise, having in sight the shown examples of the mod's acts, theyīre just abusing theyīre power. And obviously, if Sai allowed this to be posted, he agrees with Robotam.
Excelent point Robotam.
Post by: Robotam on March 14, 2006, 04:07:12 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
Those are dumbass posts, and I don't think anybody wants this to turn into a dumbass forum.
Wha-? Are we going to rate posts with a stupidity level now?
That's what is stupid. This forum is called all of all after all.
If you don't want bussiness with something you ignore it instead of deleting it.
Post by: MrMister on March 14, 2006, 04:07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by MrMister
Those are dumbass posts, and I don't think anybody wants this to turn into a dumbass forum.
Dumbass or not itīs not your opinion thatīll tell the forum's will. Neither Carmenīs or GCīs. If the threads are deceased by flame and spam itīs ok to lock or even delete (if absurd). Otherwise, having in sight the shown examples of the mod's acts, theyīre just abusing theyīre power. And obviously, if Sai allowed this to be posted, he agrees with Robotam.
Excelent point Robotam.
That's not what a moderator does. They have to act by their best judgement. This isn't a democracy.
Yeah Robotam, some threads are not worth reading. But how the hell are you supposed to tell that until you've already wasted your time?
Post by: Snake Eater on March 14, 2006, 04:29:42 PM
Post by: Robotam on March 14, 2006, 04:37:32 PM
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Yeah Robotam, some threads are not worth reading. But how the hell are you supposed to tell that until you've already wasted your time?
Would it kill you to read something that is not of your interest?
Like Warxe once said to me, not everyone is you. It might be interesting to some.
Post by: Leon_1990 on March 14, 2006, 04:51:58 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 14, 2006, 04:52:55 PM
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Originally posted by Robotam
quote: Yeah Robotam, some threads are not worth reading. But how the hell are you supposed to tell that until you've already wasted your time?
Would it kill you to read something that is not of your interest?
Like Warxe once said to me, not everyone is you. It might be interesting to some.
A pocket of intestinal gas might be interesting to a proctologist. That doesn't mean you can fart at people on the street.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 14, 2006, 04:54:21 PM
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Originally posted by Robotam
quote: Yeah Robotam, some threads are not worth reading. But how the hell are you supposed to tell that until you've already wasted your time?
Would it kill you to read something that is not of your interest?
Like Warxe once said to me, not everyone is you. It might be interesting to some.
My thoughts exacly. If this' really going on the Mods are acting like the forum owners, because theyīre deciding whatever pleases them to be present...
Letīs wait for their pronunciation.
Post by: Robotam on March 14, 2006, 05:01:22 PM
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if I recall correctly....this has been going on for quite a while longer than stated...
Yes, it has. Probably since the beginning of this year.
And Mister, what you're refering to is just crazy. `XP
I don't think any threads disgusts you, if so I'm not sure what you're doing in forum like this. I mean, it's not like you can expect any less from a board like charas.
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My thoughts exacly. If this' really going on the Mods are acting like the forum owners, because theyīre deciding whatever pleases them to be present...
Letīs wait for their pronunciation.
I agree.
Post by: SaiKar on March 14, 2006, 11:29:43 PM
Post by: shadus on March 14, 2006, 11:32:38 PM
Post by: Desimodontidae on March 14, 2006, 11:35:25 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 14, 2006, 11:43:50 PM
Further more, will I like to comment and ask on the following concepts of these actions:
Deleting threads/post: I believe the staff should not delete threads unless they have high status of wrongness in them (Porn, Illegal links, illegal talk). Instead of deleting threads, a topic should be locked (GIVING a REASON why they were locked, and sent to the JUNK BIN. The Junk Bin is there for a reason, to give space to the trash we are throwing. instead of deleting a post, it should be edited, or even better SEND A PM TO THE USER SO HE/SHE CAN CHANGE IT. If the user refuses or does not answer in an amount of time then the staff member will kindly edit and give reason (thankfully i have seen this done, but very rarely).
So, question being, when these posts/threads are deleted, do you PM the user or do you post the reason as to why it was deleted? Reason why it should be done: Not only to be courteous but you are not only may br throwing off the owner of the post if you do not, but even the whole sequence after that post, and I noticed that any other thread/post followed or directed at that deleted post/thread gets/may be deleted/edited.
If you edit a post it also gives warning to other members reading the edit of what should and should not be done. By deleting it, not only will you raise doubt in their mind as to why you did it, but other members will not know the reason of why the action was taken.
Upon the answers give I shall continue or give up my argument.
(EDIT: The words in caps are for emphasis. Not for lashing at you. Since sincerely I am not that nice when I am lashing =P)
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 14, 2006, 11:45:04 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
ATTENTION: this thread will NOT be locked, moved, or deleted. Posts within it will not be edited or deleted except by their owners. It will play it's course. Further mucking with this thread will not be looked upon lightly.
Thanks, since this thread was locked before I could reply, I was forced to send a PM. Basically I didn't get an answer other than its none of my (nor any other members) buisness.
Threads being deleted affects everyone at these forums, and thus I belive its something we should talk about so we can resolve this issue.
I see a lot of topics locked for flaming, which is good, but I also see a lot of topics that have nothing that I can see wrong with them just being deleted. No explanation, no warning, they're just gone. They weren't moved, they were just delted. I believe actions like this are wrong.
It is my opinion that a lot of the topics that are locked didn't have to be locked, yeah of course topics with heavy flaming should be locked, but sometimes its just better if you let it just play out so the whole topic doesn't need to be killed just because of two people. Another thing I see a lot is delted posts sometimes because people get off topic, and sometimes because they use vulgar language or do some flaming, if something like this happens, the mod/admin who deleted the posts should at least say that they've done so and why they've done it.
Post by: Revolution911 on March 14, 2006, 11:52:07 PM
Is it like, illegal to just let the members have a random conversation? Too strict. Not just Carmen or GC. Everything on charas really. :|
Post by: shadus on March 14, 2006, 11:52:53 PM
Meiscool- No
Me- No..
Grandy- Maybe..
Never mind.
Post by: Kinslayer on March 14, 2006, 11:54:15 PM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by MrMister
Those are dumbass posts, and I don't think anybody wants this to turn into a dumbass forum.
Dumbass or not itīs not your opinion thatīll tell the forum's will. Neither Carmenīs or GCīs. If the threads are deceased by flame and spam itīs ok to lock or even delete (if absurd). Otherwise, having in sight the shown examples of the mod's acts, theyīre just abusing theyīre power. And obviously, if Sai allowed this to be posted, he agrees with Robotam.
Excelent point Robotam.
Totally agree with ya.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 14, 2006, 11:58:21 PM
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Originally posted by Desimodontidae
That's why they're the admins and you're not. They have been entrusted to make wise descisions that benifit the good of the forum.
Thatīs what weīre questioning here: wise decisions or over-their-power decisions?
I think KM made an excelent point there. And Sai's still wise.
Post by: shadus on March 15, 2006, 12:02:51 AM
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on March 15, 2006, 12:03:15 AM
As for posts, I believe that if the person is just trying to be a jerk and is flaming, then it should be deleted. But if the person is being sarcastic about it, or is just joking around, then I would leave it alone.
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 15, 2006, 12:04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by Desimodontidae
That's why they're the admins and you're not. They have been entrusted to make wise descisions that benifit the good of the forum.
Thatīs what weīre questioning here: wise decisions or over-their-power decisions?
I think KM made an excelent point there. And Sai's still wise.
Yeah, I agree. Admins are just people, even though they have been "entrusted", their decisions aren't always perfect. I'm sure most of them try their best, but yeah, no ones perfect.
Though this isn't a democracy where we can vote who we want to be admins, we should still be able to voice our opinions on this matter.
No admin should play 'god' or not care what the members of their own forum think.
Post by: charaman on March 15, 2006, 12:30:21 AM
Just wait for Alex.
Until then, debate.
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 12:44:20 AM
EDIT: Also, let's try to keep this civil. No mud-slinging, okay? I could post numerous things I don't like about Ghostclown and Carmen, but I won't, because it would be a downright flame to do so. So if you're just going to flame someone, don't post at all.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2006, 12:49:06 AM
Post by: charaman on March 15, 2006, 12:53:09 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
But I will say this: absolute power corrupts absolutely.
semi-off topic, but my friend and I had a pretty long discussion about this, and this just seems to validate my point.
I've noticed the things this thread describes lately, but considering my past, I'm probably not the best person to bring it up. to tell the truth, it is this kind of thing that provoked me before. Not wanting to be like Raffles (listening Meiscool?) not wanting to be different, but because I had what I believe to be the overall general interests of charas in mind. Notice how a lot of people began responding after Saik-Kar gave his approval? I bet it became a lot bigger of a deal in your mind after you saw that you weren't goin to get in trouble saying something.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2006, 12:57:57 AM
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Originally posted by charaman
(listening Meiscool?)
Sure enough. Your point is decently given out, but I still believe that if a post is not offencive to anyone, or speaks the honest truth, it shouldn't be deleted. Carmen's editing of posts if normally ok, she just changes swear words and etc, but Ghostclown enjoys deleting posts on a needless basis, when they are not offencive, completely and utterly off topic, or blanent lies.
Post by: charaman on March 15, 2006, 12:59:37 AM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
quote: Originally posted by charaman
(listening Meiscool?)
Sure enough. Your point is decently given out, but I still believe that if a post is not offencive to anyone, or speaks the honest truth, it shouldn't be deleted. Carmen's editing of posts if normally ok, she just changes swear words and etc, but Ghostclown enjoys deleting posts on a needless basis, when they are not offencive, completely and utterly off topic, or blanent lies.
just an opinion, but I think carmen's locks are a little quick sometimes as well.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 01:03:09 AM
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 15, 2006, 01:09:54 AM
I would hope so..
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 01:14:03 AM
Multiple times, we have called for political reform in Charas. Most of the time, these are just stupid n00bs and/or newbies who don't know Charas well. But this time, we don't. We have an excellent mod team that enforce the rules well. Too well, perhaps. In other words... we need to relax a bit. I am still in favor of locking flame wars and keeping spam under control, but I think we should be more open to offensive topics.
As an example: If I posted the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed right now, under our current rules, it'd probably be locked and deleted. I won't say that that's a bad thing - it isn't. Those cartoons are blasphemous to Islam, and they shouldn't have been drawn, or at least published. But, if we all relax a bit, and stop locking and deleting everything, we could actually have some great debates - referring to my previous example, it could be a great debate on Free Speech. Of course, there are always those ignorant people who hate Islam because of a few certain extreme sects of it, and would likely try to start a flame war of Muslim-bashing. As a community, we could stop that - instead of flaming back, we could explain, in civil terms, that we don't like to flame. If they continue flaming, we could just ignore them - only as a last resort would we delete their posts. Because, even if it's biased, it's still an opinion.
But I'm just rambling. I'll conclude with this: Only the community can change the community. I think we should all relax, and allow discussions that might have beent aboo before to continue, as there are some really intelligent people on this forum, and some great debates could come of a civil discussion on some topics.
And, as Kijuki and the rest of the mod team have said, locking and deleting threads should only be used as a LAST RESORT, when there's no way to salvage the thread. These... are my opinions.
Post by: charaman on March 15, 2006, 01:15:42 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
My opinions on everything...
Multiple times, we have called for political reform in Charas. Most of the time, these are just stupid n00bs and/or newbies who don't know Charas well. But this time, we don't. We have an excellent mod team that enforce the rules well. Too well, perhaps. In other words... we need to relax a bit. I am still in favor of locking flame wars and keeping spam under control, but I think we should be more open to offensive topics.
As an example: If I posted the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed right now, under our current rules, it'd probably be locked and deleted. I won't say that that's a bad thing - it isn't. Those cartoons are blasphemous to Islam, and they shouldn't have been drawn, or at least published. But, if we all relax a bit, and stop locking and deleting everything, we could actually have some great debates - referring to my previous example, it could be a great debate on Free Speech. Of course, there are always those ignorant people who hate Islam because of a few certain extreme sects of it, and would likely try to start a flame war of Muslim-bashing. As a community, we could stop that - instead of flaming back, we could explain, in civil terms, that we don't like to flame. If they continue flaming, we could just ignore them - only as a last resort would we delete their posts. Because, even if it's biased, it's still an opinion.
But I'm just rambling. I'll conclude with this: Only the community can change the community. I think we should all relax, and allow discussions that might be offensive to some people to continue. And, as Kijuki and the rest of the mod team have said, locking and deleting threads should only be used as a LAST RESORT, when there's no way to salvage the thread.
Warxe makes a very valid point. More controversial topics can spark much better conversation if the poeple involved can be mature and not spam.
Post by: Archem on March 15, 2006, 01:16:40 AM
WARNING!!! EXPLICIT EXAMPLE AHEAD!!!
Do I have do do that to keep this in play?
Fuckin'.
WARNING!!! EXPLICIT EXAMPLE ABOVE!!!
I didn't really "con" it, I just commaed it instead of adding a g. That's not my fault that it isn't blocked. Sorry.
And in any case, I don't think that's grounds for deleting a thread. I kept my mouth soap-washed in those threads.
Post by: Beck Skyler on March 15, 2006, 01:17:07 AM
Post by: Archem on March 15, 2006, 01:19:50 AM
Post by: Darkfox on March 15, 2006, 01:20:59 AM
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 01:21:54 AM
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Beck Skyler
anyone else feel worried about this? i dunno but it seems like theyre gonna be biting at each others throats soon enough.
Political debates on Charas are always touchy. It is likely that someone will spam and/or flame in this thread, but hopefully it won't degenerate into a massive flame war, as other threads of this sort have.
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2006, 01:23:33 AM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
ATTENTION: this thread will NOT be locked, moved, or deleted. Posts within it will not be edited or deleted except by their owners. It will play it's course. Further mucking with this thread will not be looked upon lightly.
Yeah. Yeah it will.
Post by: Darkfox on March 15, 2006, 01:25:01 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
quote: Beck Skyler
anyone else feel worried about this? i dunno but it seems like theyre gonna be biting at each others throats soon enough.
Political debates on Charas are always touchy. It is likely that someone will spam and/or flame in this thread, but hopefully it won't degenerate into a massive flame war, as other threads of this sort have.
Yeah. Like we have the Bush haters, and those Bush hater haters XD.
Post by: Desimodontidae on March 15, 2006, 01:35:47 AM
Post by: Bart_Fatima on March 15, 2006, 01:48:39 AM
Is it really nessacary to delete threads? Why not put them in the junk area......or something there can be something valuable in there
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 15, 2006, 01:50:55 AM
Post by: Darkfox on March 15, 2006, 01:52:23 AM
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either change his post to "Lookit me! I'm a leprachaun" or delete it.
Ah memories...
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 15, 2006, 01:52:57 AM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
Hmmm... I leave for a little while and... -_-
YEah, where the hell have you been?
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 01:53:36 AM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
quote: Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
quote: Beck Skyler
anyone else feel worried about this? i dunno but it seems like theyre gonna be biting at each others throats soon enough.
Political debates on Charas are always touchy. It is likely that someone will spam and/or flame in this thread, but hopefully it won't degenerate into a massive flame war, as other threads of this sort have.
Yeah. Like we have the Bush haters, and those Bush hater haters XD.
LOL!!! DF XD
To clarify some things:
I don't think this thread is meant to lash at anyone throat ot to flame anyone. One of the reasons I think this is being made publicly is to let know if people are agreeing with Robotam, or just agree to the whole thing.
This thread is meant to be constructing, not even meant to be a debate, but may have to in way that way.
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WARNING!!! EXPLICIT EXAMPLE AHEAD!!!
Do I have do do that to keep this in play?
Fuckin'.
WARNING!!! EXPLICIT EXAMPLE ABOVE!!!
yeah I would edit this lol
I agree with warxe that some controversity should be allowed. In fact it was why so many raffles topic where at times left open. As a result I do believe the members of charas itself need to allow it.
But yeah ideas understood.
And no, theres no reason to throw fits right now, nor for that fact ever... unless you want to hit your screen. lol
Post by: Darkfox on March 15, 2006, 01:55:29 AM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by Darkfox
Hmmm... I leave for a little while and... -_-
YEah, where the hell have you been?
A dark dreary place called college... on the upside, one more day till spring break! wh00t! Oh and I have been practicing on improving my artistic skills.
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And no, theres no reason to throw fits right now, nor for that fact ever... unless you want to hit your screen. lol
Oooh! Ooh! *raises hand* XD
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 01:56:48 AM
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Just lock everything, move it to the junk bin, and leave it be. If it has porn, crack dealer addresses, or ways to kill a cop, delete it. How hard is that to comprehend? "Dude your chipset sucks" LOCK'D! That's reiculous. Now, if it was something like "Dude your chipset sucks as much as you suck cock" either change his post to "Lookit me! I'm a leprachaun" or delete it. No reason to delete whole threads.
lol maybe not editing to that, but editing the last part and sending a pm would work lol
ROFL DF XD
Post by: Revolution911 on March 15, 2006, 02:26:21 AM
Post by: SaiKar on March 15, 2006, 03:59:01 AM
This forum is not young. Most of us aren't all that young anymore either. For the most part we've aged a couple years and learned what's acceptable behavior on online forums. We have some flamers, and some spammers, and some people that take it toally over the top on occasion, but most people just want to talk and have a good time.
Charas's rules are old, and a few are outdated. This forum has grown in strange directions. There was a time when threads would need to be locked if they strayed too far off topic. I feel that time has passed. Just people talk about what makes them happy. As long as it's not profane or explicit, who cares if the current subject doesn't match the title? I don't. Other moderators should not either.
Charas moderaturs are supposed to be the police, the people that remind everyone else when they've crossed a line. They should rule not through fear but through respect. Every one of us was put here through the trust of the members. We should not lord over anyone else because we have little colored names, but continue to strive to be wise and to end fights, not start them.
Moderators police the forum, but who polices the moderators? In the past Alex had that job. He delegated most of his responsibility to me. But, like him, I do not have quite as much time for Charas as I would love to. I cannot properly watch over the moderator staff and make sure their goals are still in the best interest of the forum.
That is what this thread is about. I can't police the moderators. They cannot police themselves. But someone has to do it. That's you guys. Much as they tell you when you're gone to far by editing content that crosses the line, it is not your right but your DUTY to tell them they're being harsh to the point of opression.
Charas isn't mine. It's not Carmen's or GhostClowns. It's not really Alex's anymore. It belongs to a community. Take good care of it.
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 04:06:32 AM
God, I sound like some stereotypical RPG character XD
Anyways, it seems that most of us all agree on the same points - we need to be more liberal, and put our no-doubt giant nerd minds to use by debating stuff. Of course, Charas is and always will be an RM site, but if it was only games, we'd be bored out of our minds, so we have All of All and Forum Gaming. So we might as well put them to use.
Post by: Archem on March 15, 2006, 04:08:57 AM
Post by: Snake Eater on March 15, 2006, 04:13:13 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Well said, Sai. Hopefully, this will bring about a great change for Charas - a new age of prosperity.
God, I sound like some stereotypical RPG character XD
Indeed.
Anyways, I think this thread/ discusion is good for the everyone. It can help the mods and the community.
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2006, 04:50:09 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
change his post to "Lookit me! I'm a leprachaun"
Now, I know this is out of context, but it helps make another point.
I totally hate when someone retarded's post with spamular content is edited to make them look stupid. It makes the editor look stupid, and doesn't help when people like I come online to wonder "WhyTF was this thread locked?"
I like being able to read what someone did wrong before the thing got locked.
Also, deleting a post because someone cheated the word filter? An edit is all it calls for.
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Anyways, it seems that most of us all agree on the same points - we need to be more liberal, and put our no-doubt giant nerd minds to use by debating stuff. Of course, Charas is and always will be an RM site, but if it was only games, we'd be bored out of our minds, so we have All of All and Forum Gaming. So we might as well put them to use.
Awesome suggestion. Debates are great.
Seemingly disregarding the following post; I am curious to what posts and why were deleted in The Charas Pub, GhostClown.
Post by: Robotam on March 15, 2006, 04:55:51 AM
I'll admit that it might have been wrong to use your names so open to the public, but I couldn't see how it would work out otherwise.
If any of you two 'were' offended by that, I apologize.
Post by: Archem on March 15, 2006, 05:54:43 AM
Post by: Robotam on March 15, 2006, 05:57:55 AM
Post by: Snake Eater on March 15, 2006, 07:02:19 AM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I got TOL last night and I've been playing it for a while. It looks like it could surpass TOP and even TOS! Even if it doesn't, it'sstill a great game.
I want to play this dslifsldfjsdkljnhkdgdkgdfgkdfkjghdfkjgbdkfjgnkdfjgnkdfgkdjfgkdfbgk;jdfgkjdfhgkdjfhg;dfjg;fjgndkfjgndk;fjngvdk;fjng;d
FDKhbsdkhbsjszdvzsjl so badly man...Iīm gonna buy it as soon as I can...
This post was edited by CARMEN.
I mean, wtf? Why? Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2006, 07:15:59 AM
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Originally posted by Snake Eater
I mean, wtf? Why? Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
Ya good point.
Okay, who ****ing cares? Did that change anything? You find this pathetic somehow? I find you pathetic, make a ****ing point.
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2006, 07:32:45 AM
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 15, 2006, 07:35:29 AM
"Do not Kill any topics unless really really needed" and the same for editing post.
Now I see post editing and topic deleting all the time.. It's sadi when about 1/4 of the topics on a site gets killed..
I've lost hope for Charas long ago. There's so much I can and can't do on the forum just so the forum can look purdy to guest..or whoever the hell.
And I think this is just me but it seems us older memebers get treated better...
I am shocked many of my post have not been edited or any of my topics locked. Did you guys know I use to have 900+ post..
I guess I know now why I dont have that many post anymore.
(long ago before the "big wipe" I had over 1000 post)
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 08:38:20 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
quote: Originally posted by Snake Eater
I mean, wtf? Why? Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
Ya good point.
Okay, who ******* cares? Did that change anything? You find this pathetic somehow? I find you pathetic, make a ******* point.
Yes it did.
Sorry Mr Mr, but you are the only person in here NOT making a point. And you are also flaming, so please stop.
I have screenshotted and attached the action for further analysis.
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I've known about this forever I just shut my mouth about it and figured this phase would pass. I do remember Alex stressing
"Do not Kill any topics unless really really needed" and the same for editing post.
Exactly my point, tho like Sai said times have changes, I still do not think we should take actions at large.
Yes I am stalking, like i watch the stalking being done.. and the logs files arent helping my judgement.
V Hopefully it wasnt done by carmen
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2006, 08:49:54 AM
and Kairou was demodded for that.
Post by: shinotebasiiackh on March 15, 2006, 09:39:05 AM
Remember: All the people in heaven are boring people.
Post by: Robotam on March 15, 2006, 10:26:12 AM
I sure ain't alone to questions your metods of doing.. what exactly? You might be in much deeper water now than you were before.
Bah, totally unnecessary.
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 15, 2006, 11:01:48 AM
Next, I would also point out that a mod should not delete topics without noting why. Since you can't point out why topics get deleted, it's better to lock a topic with a closing post on why a topic had been locked. This is the policy most forums have.
Deleting topics mostly give the suggestion that this is a sort of dictature, a place where mods can censor everything. This is not right. Editing posts for malicious words is a better sollution.
I hope we, the members, the mod team and the admin team, learn from this, not only about the topic itself, but also the way we now converse.
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2006, 11:02:05 AM
Also, KJ's attachment made me think Almeidaboo made a quote bug :)
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2006, 01:08:02 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 15, 2006, 01:55:38 PM
EDIT:
Also...
69th post in this topic :P
Post by: DarkFlood2 on March 15, 2006, 02:11:39 PM
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 02:28:55 PM
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DarkFlood2
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That's what I said, fool. *kicks* *hard*
Yeah, GC and Carmen don't need to post here. They were doing what they believed to be in everyone's interest.
Post by: Robotam on March 15, 2006, 02:56:48 PM
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They were doing what they believed to be in everyone's interest.
We don't know that. I'm guessing they weren' t thinking at all sometimes.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2006, 03:28:59 PM
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Originally posted by Robotam
quote: They were doing what they believed to be in everyone's interest.
We don't know that. I'm guessing they weren' t thinking at all sometimes.
Agreed. Once, Ghostclown flamed me, and when I retorted, he deleted my post, yet kept his. If his true intention was to not start a fight to begin with, then he should've not posted, or deleted both posts. That doesn't show much of a public interest right there to prevent a vendetta, rather more of a personal use of power to get his point out and prevent others from posting against him.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 15, 2006, 04:17:36 PM
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Originally posted by Snake Eater
So, I thought I would bring this up here to:
quote: Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I got TOL last night and I've been playing it for a while. It looks like it could surpass TOP and even TOS! Even if it doesn't, it'sstill a great game.
I want to play this dslifsldfjsdkljnhkdgdkgdfgkdfkjghdfkjgbdkfjgnkdfjgnkdfgkdjfgkdfbgk;jdfgkjdfhgkdjfhg;dfjg;fjgndkfjgndk;fjngvdk;fjng;d
FDKhbsdkhbsjszdvzsjl so badly man...Iīm gonna buy it as soon as I can...
This post was edited by CARMEN.
I mean, wtf? Why? Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
LOL, I didnīt see this! LOL...So childish.
Lemme tell you guys something about law (I study that, so I know what iīm talking about).
There is a latin (roman origins) phrase that says: "Dura lex, sed lex". Everyone knows what that means: the law may be hard, but itīs still the law. Now isnīt that outdated? Isnīt that old?
See, Iīm not promoting anarchy, obviously (otherwise why would I study law?). The law is not responsability of the people who created them only. The law is responsability of the one that apply it.
Many times we have laws that are simply unfair or insuficient to give the issue a solution. What do you do then?
In Brazil (specially where Grandy lives) there are some judges applying what they call "Alternative Law". Itīs not a parallel law to the official one, itīs not illegal. Itīs about the way they apply the existing law; they give the law the best reading so that itīs fits better both the social reality AND the concrete case. That means they try to give the law a more fair and justiceful (invented word) function, without disrespecting it.
A good law applyer, IMO, is the one that can make the law work in every social context, without pushing them aside. The best judge observes the social changes that ocurred since the law was made, and adjusts it so that it is effective.
Weīre the society, the MODs are the judges. If the MODs didnīt observe the changes in the community (that Sai talked about), we have two problems: the laws and the operators of the law - the Mods.
Now, something else must be said: Carmen and GC are both responsible people. Theyīre present, theyīre idoneous and theyīre compromised with this community. They do their job, and them we can trust. What we need is not a MOD replacement, but we need them to see this and rethink the way they use the powers given to them. Itīs not like they should leave the MOD team, not at all. They just should upgrade themselves.
Post by: Cerebus on March 15, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
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Post owner: Robotam (1976)
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Date: Tue 14 Mar 2006, 01:50 pm
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Forum: All of all! (12)
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Mod: carmen (2799)
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...why?
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 15, 2006, 05:16:41 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 15, 2006, 05:19:18 PM
I have had my posts deleted in the past. I always agree that the post was off topic, and deserved to be deleted, BUT I think they should use the PM function more and actually tell people what they've done wrong. If I recieved a PM to delete or edit my post, I would, providing it was a fair judgement. I trust the mods entirely here, so I'd like some trust back to be honest.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 05:25:01 PM
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Originally posted by smokey_locs2002
Looks like someone needs to cool their jets <.<
I am keeping eyes on heated reactions =P everything seems cool lol
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 06:18:05 PM
Post by: Ace of Spades on March 15, 2006, 07:41:24 PM
I agree that carmen's actions were childish, but in regards to the actual topic, really anything I would say has already been said, so I'll just briefly say that I agree that the topic locking/post editing and deleting has gotten out of hand, and that we should be a bit more "loose" and not so "ruling." Refer to Warxe's ideas to see what I agree with. :p
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2006, 07:43:31 PM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
quote: Originally posted by Robotam
quote: They were doing what they believed to be in everyone's interest.
We don't know that. I'm guessing they weren' t thinking at all sometimes.
Agreed. Once, Ghostclown flamed me, and when I retorted, he deleted my post, yet kept his. If his true intention was to not start a fight to begin with, then he should've not posted, or deleted both posts. That doesn't show much of a public interest right there to prevent a vendetta, rather more of a personal use of power to get his point out and prevent others from posting against him.
Yeah, but you're uninteresting as fuck.
I'd delete your post if you were mouthing off.
Post by: Osmose on March 15, 2006, 09:09:27 PM
Carmen and Ghostclown are just mad because, for the first time since they've been doing stuff like this, no one's supporting them. It used to be, "lol, if you've got a problem, lol, pm me, lol!". Well, that was Carmen. Ghostclown not so much.
Now, however, it's generally agreed upon that they've been abusing their powers, and they can't fall back on the "I'm a Mod, I know what's right for this forum, and you complaining about what I do isn't right." excuse.
It's about time.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Well you're MrMister - it's your job to be an ***.
Carmen and Ghostclown are just mad because, for the first time since they've been doing stuff like this, no one's supporting them. It used to be, "lol, if you've got a problem, lol, pm me, lol!". Well, that was Carmen. Ghostclown not so much.
Now, however, it's generally agreed upon that they've been abusing their powers, and they can't fall back on the "I'm a Mod, I know what's right for this forum, and you complaining about what I do isn't right." excuse.
It's about time.
Word. I believe this was consequentially going to be said lol. Leave it to Osmose to say it =P lol
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 15, 2006, 09:53:50 PM
If you had to keep doing things over and over again to no success, wouldn't you get agitated too? Maybe there methods aren't as "conventional" as you'd like, but how else should they get their points across? It's not completely GC's and Carmen's fault.
That's my opinion.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 09:57:17 PM
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how else should they get their points across?
Re-read the thread. Is full of worthy suggestions.
And anyone else after this... there's no need to degrade people by giving adjectives. Such as "you suck". Dren, it is also our opinion/belief, and I am respecting your opinion, I expect for you to do the same as we are both members, by no telling me (because I was part of the group) that I suck. This was we can evade any flaming other people may start.. even so if some are building up already.
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 15, 2006, 10:01:16 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 10:04:11 PM
Trev is not here to read this.. damn..
Post by: WarxePB on March 15, 2006, 10:04:27 PM
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Dren
I read the thread, I'm just saying if I was mod I'd be a little agitated by now, too.
Enough to delete and edit posts simply because you have a grudge against that person? I'm not saying that that's what happened, or that GC made it a point to go after certain people, but... given the power, would you?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 15, 2006, 10:12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
quote: Dren
I read the thread, I'm just saying if I was mod I'd be a little agitated by now, too.
Enough to delete and edit posts simply because you have a grudge against that person? I'm not saying that that's what happened, or that GC made it a point to go after certain people, but... given the power, would you?
No. I was a mod in a forum where there was a person I really disliked. I never once thought to take my revenge on him by abusing my responsibilities.
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 15, 2006, 10:17:30 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
quote: Dren
I read the thread, I'm just saying if I was mod I'd be a little agitated by now, too.
Enough to delete and edit posts simply because you have a grudge against that person? I'm not saying that that's what happened, or that GC made it a point to go after certain people, but... given the power, would you?
From the posts I've seen, I'd say it was justified. And yes, I probably would
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 15, 2006, 10:22:21 PM
BEfore you begin thinking anything else, I am only breaking down your thoughts so you can come to a stable conclusion because what you are saying can even trouble them more llol
And I do know what you are trying to say. In fact whereas its one of the minor factors that lead me into resigning.
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 15, 2006, 10:27:48 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on March 15, 2006, 10:31:03 PM
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Originally posted by drenrin2120
putting "******" they put "fhshsfhshhrr".
I like the way you think :smoke:
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2006, 12:39:22 AM
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Originally posted by drenrin2120
Wow, you guys suck, lemme be the first to say I haven't had a problem with the mods. I basically agree with Mr. Mister, though he could be nicer about it, but w/e. Alot of the reasons, I think, GC and Carmen do this is because they've edited posts and deleted threads so many times, and members keep going back and breaking the rules again. Like flaming n00bs/newbs with or without a good reason it's against the ruels to flame someone. And making random pointless posts/threads, being annoying/sarcastic/aggressive/flaming. That's my opinion.
If you had to keep doing things over and over again to no success, wouldn't you get agitated too? Maybe there methods aren't as "conventional" as you'd like, but how else should they get their points across? It's not completely GC's and Carmen's fault.
That's my opinion.
Contradiction: You said we suck, hence a flame, hence this post should be deleted in your opinion.
Point: We know you didn't mean it like that, but several other posts that have been deleted are also clearly sarcastic remarks, yet, they are junked anyways.
Post by: SaiKar on March 16, 2006, 05:09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
No. I was a mod in a forum where there was a person I really disliked. I never once thought to take my revenge on him by abusing my responsibilities.
With all due respect, bull. :p I have thoughts of deleting posts from people I don't like all the time. But I can actually control myself so I don't do it.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 16, 2006, 05:44:03 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 16, 2006, 05:52:17 AM
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 16, 2006, 06:49:59 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
yeah you are often part of the rule breaking.
Or so it had seem in this thread.
I think if at all I should or someone of better authority foward this to Alex.
Post by: Osmose on March 16, 2006, 10:44:25 AM
He'll see the thread.
Post by: Leon_1990 on March 16, 2006, 11:03:59 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
^ This coming from someone who has repeatedly replied to this topic with nothing but flames and hypocrycies.
I don't want to sound moddy or anything, but it would be best if you leave this dicussion, unless you have something appropriate/relevant to the issue at hand... and no, your misplaced attempt of finishing this topic with praising, does not count.
And incase Carmen looks at this post: Could you tell us why you've deleted yours and GC's posts in this topic? I can't see a single reason as to why you are doing this. Nothing can be gained from it...
Post by: Razor on March 16, 2006, 11:23:02 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Well you're MrMister - it's your job to be an ***.
Carmen and Ghostclown are just mad because, for the first time since they've been doing stuff like this, no one's supporting them. It used to be, "lol, if you've got a problem, lol, pm me, lol!". Well, that was Carmen. Ghostclown not so much.
Now, however, it's generally agreed upon that they've been abusing their powers, and they can't fall back on the "I'm a Mod, I know what's right for this forum, and you complaining about what I do isn't right." excuse.
It's about time.
I've missed you.
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Originally posted by Leon_1990
And incase Carmen looks at this post: Could you tell us why you've deleted yours and GC's posts in this topic? I can't see a single reason as to why you are doing this. Nothing can be gained from it...
If I was all that I am, I would say "to look better to those who didn't see it originally" However, a more logical (cough cough Occam's razor) excuse would be those two posts were irrelevant after the topic was reopened.
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Originally posted by MrMister
...most posts in this thread.
You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.
Post by: Leon_1990 on March 16, 2006, 12:31:55 PM
Aren't mods meant to read posts of a particular topic before they close it? especially posts of admins and/or mods. (Saikar stated that this topic is in no way to be closed)
Post by: WarxePB on March 16, 2006, 12:47:54 PM
Originally, GC locked it, saying that Robotam should've posted this in the Private forum. Carmen reopened it to post her spiel, then locked it again. Saikar reopened it again, and said what he said on the first page. Afterwards, Carmen deleted her and GC's posts.
Post by: Leon_1990 on March 16, 2006, 12:56:56 PM
Post by: Robotam on March 16, 2006, 01:22:14 PM
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You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted. (mr. mister)
Actually, some of mr.mr's posts has been deleted. I saw his name a couple of times in the logfile. Perhaps, about three times.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 16, 2006, 04:00:23 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
We know youīre Mr. Mr. and thatīs pretty much your job around here, but for just once say something that actually helps, c'mon...Or give your bully-powers to Asakura.
Well, this thread has gotten kinda pointless having that GC and Carmen will not say anything.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on March 16, 2006, 04:13:46 PM
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 16, 2006, 06:30:03 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.
But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.
Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 16, 2006, 06:53:31 PM
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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
quote: Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.
But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.
Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.
[WEIRD VOICE] Flawless victory [WEIRD VOICE]
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 16, 2006, 07:24:33 PM
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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
quote: Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!
.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.
Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.
But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.
Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.
TRUE.
And to second that... theres NO RULE about QUESTIONING AUTHORITIES. Therefore the lock itself was kinda poofy. TOUGH then again I give gc the benifit of doubt for it could've been because he may have wanted to talk about it in the PVT forum. But db had good points.
Agreed with you Almeiboo and DB
Post by: shadus on March 16, 2006, 07:41:17 PM
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Agreed with you Almeiboo and DB
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 16, 2006, 07:54:58 PM
I categorize GC's locking of this topic, perfectly fine. If I was him, I'd see this as more of a private matter. Or maybe it could've just been as simple as Razor said, the posts were now irrelevant. Stop over analyzing things you guys, seriously.
Post by: Robotam on March 16, 2006, 08:21:18 PM
Truth is this topic is no longer about what it was from the beginning it seems. Carmen deleted 40 post and threads and that's not a low number. Charas is a small community yet our logfile is equal to gamingw's as I said to Razor the other day.
It can't possible have been a correct decision everytime.
Obviously none of us is going to change our minds, nor are we going to reach an understanding by discussing about all of this.
We need someone to make a decision now, how to confront this problem. *all eyes on SaiKar*
Post by: WarxePB on March 16, 2006, 09:25:23 PM
Despite that, I do not want us to split. I do not want this thread degenerating into a flame war. I do not want to see people bashing GC and Carmen, then other people defend them, then others yet flame the defenders. That will do nothing.
We are not children. I would like to think that 95% of us can have a reasonable debate without mud-slinging, but we just choose not to. I would also like to think that the same number of us can also reach an agreement on issues without flaming each other, but, yes, we just choose not to. Why? I don't know. Perhaps we are all to stubborn, or simply too stupid to realize the greater good that can come of cooperation.
So, instead of needlessly posting against each other, let us reach a compromise.
GC and Carmen did willingly abuse their power as moderators, but they were justified in doing it. Can we all agree with that? If not, then my hope for all of you will be in vain.
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 16, 2006, 09:58:30 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
No matter what we say, people will pick sides of their own will rather than through the facts. It is human nature, and cannot be avoided.
Despite that, I do not want us to split. I do not want this thread degenerating into a flame war. I do not want to see people bashing GC and Carmen, then other people defend them, then others yet flame the defenders. That will do nothing.
We are not children. I would like to think that 95% of us can have a reasonable debate without mud-slinging, but we just choose not to. I would also like to think that the same number of us can also reach an agreement on issues without flaming each other, but, yes, we just choose not to. Why? I don't know. Perhaps we are all to stubborn, or simply too stupid to realize the greater good that can come of cooperation.
So, instead of needlessly posting against each other, let us reach a compromise.
GC and Carmen did willingly abuse their power as moderators, but they were justified in doing it. Can we all agree with that? If not, then my hope for all of you will be in vain.
To be honest, I don't believe anyone is flaming or doing anything inmature in this topic. Theres nothing wrong with having differant opinions, then debating your own opinions. You can't lose hope in us because we don't all share a uniform opinion, its impossible because everyone is differant. Like I said, what matters here is that we're not yelling at eachother and acting like children in this topic.
And logically, you can't really abuse your powers and yet be justified in doing so. If its justified and has a good reason, then it wouldn't be considered abuse. But in actuality, it doesn't really matter what happened in the past, so I'm willing to forgive and forget and move on.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2006, 10:00:13 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 16, 2006, 11:02:34 PM
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.
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You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.
I could abuse my powers if I had some.
And quit saying I'm not helping! This thread isn't helping!
Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on March 16, 2006, 11:35:32 PM
Edit: And by fix, I mean figure out how far mods can go and how reasonable things can be.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
What have they done? They moderated! OMG I POO PANTS.
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.
quote: You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.
I could abuse my powers if I had some.
And quit saying I'm not helping! This thread isn't helping!
Some people are getting angered because of your ability to flame and not get punished, that's all. Most times you're funny, but every once in awhile you say something non-humorous and completly uncalled for, and I think that's what people are talking about.
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 16, 2006, 11:46:25 PM
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Originally posted by MrMister
What have they done? They moderated! OMG I POO PANTS.
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.
Agreed.
Post by: Arcanagirl on March 16, 2006, 11:53:18 PM
I own my own site, even though it goes down more then it gets put up, but I run many forums, few for friends site or my own and I know a thing or too in my opinion about posts, threads, and admin stuff.
Rules I tend to follow as a forum owner/admin or site owner.
1. I would delete posts that are flamming spaming bad bad stuff etc... Due to rules I may have that prohibites such behavior to protect the members intrests and right to enjoy the forums.
2. I do not delete post that are not in the right topic, I move it and add an edit note stating why it was moved.
3. Posts that are out date and not responded too I send into a forum that would be just for dead posts and threads.
4. Posts that need to be locked, I lock, but dont delete unless the behavior of the posts are breaking the rules of the forums.
5. and most importantly, respect the members right and opinions. Forums are meant for opinions, ideas, projects, etc..Forums are not meant for anyone to say whether or not a post or thread is good enough to be on the boards. Cause if it doesnt break the rules then it doesnt need to be locked or deleted, its just not how things should go. If thats how things are gonna be around here, then whats to say people dont go deleteing my game posts cause they think another game is better then the other.
Its like when I posted to a very very very old thread, cause when I viewed it for a demo the link was dead so I posted saying it was and I got my you know what chapped at for bumping the thread that needed to be aware the links were dead.
Who cares how old it is or how bad it bites, its not your posts! Its the members posts! You post it in all of all and its not breaking rules, then who ever thinks it should be removed needs to get some since knocked into them. Not all things everyone shares likes in. I dont care what it is or who says it or what not. If you hate someone or dislike their posts, dont read it. Cause other people might actually share the posters views rather then the views of one who thinks stupid posts are worthless. Ha if members start thinking its ok to delete stupid posts, what makes you think they wont target your posts cause they think your game sucks or your opinion bites. no 2 people can always share opinions of the same matter.
I say if the posts broke the reals fine for deleting them, but if not. Then I have to say that is abuse of power.
I dont know what those posts are but I have my sayings, break the rules bye bye post, keep to the rules keep your post.
These forums should be professional when it comes to deciding what is breaking a rule and what isnt. I am also a stick owner, so if I caught admins messing with non rule breaking posts I would take them off the staffing list or demote them until they get their act together.
if Carmen and DC have removed these posts due to them breaking any rules, then good job, else if they deleted them for their own reasons out side the rules, shame shame.
I hope this helps Saikar and Robotam. If not oh well, I hate to see charas in a disaster, I been here good 2 years maybe 3, I dont remember anymore, and I hate seeing all these problems. Make me worry really.
I refuse to watch this place crumble for any means! This place is like a second home, and my friends are here! Charas is a team, why is everyone picking side based on the person rather then based on their actions. Actions speack louder then words, and if actions are in fact violating rules or members right to speak their opinion or games, then thats when people should notice the issue at hand rather then say. "But there a good person, or a good friend", cause in actions personal feelings mean nothing. same way in a all life matter. When people do bad, it dont matter if they were a good person before that, if they did a bad thing, they did a bad thing and if you based all bad deeds on feelings, meany people wouldnt be in jail for murder or in jail or stealing or breaking n entering.
I be damned if anyone try to remove my posts cause they hated it or thought it was pointless.
I say, everyone has an opinion, and everyone else thinks their **** dont stink.
ok I went on again..I always do that when I have a lot to say and trying to make points and opinions to help bother sides.
I am on no ones side right now, but as I said if they did a no no then I am with Saikar and Robotam, but if they helped enforce rules then I have to go with Carmen and DC.
Thats what mediators due in heated battles. They mediate the 2, to make a better out come.
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 17, 2006, 12:05:47 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
What have they done? They moderated! OMG I POO PANTS.
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.
quote: You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.
I could abuse my powers if I had some.
And quit saying I'm not helping! This thread isn't helping!
First off, this thread isn't about 'attacking' GC and carmen. As far as I know, no one has said that the mods/admins suck or anything along those lines. This thread is about some of their moderating actions, particularly about the excesive amount of topics being locked. We're not attacking GC and carmen, all we're doing is questioning some of their decisions. Needless to say, most of them are good, but a hand full of them are simply too strict.
If anyone is 'attacking' you, its not because of the fact that you're siding with GC and carmen, drenen has clearly sided with them, and no ones attacking him. If anything, its because you're being irrational with comments such as "OMG I POO PANTS" and "Breaking news - Get a life!".
Now why must this topic be closed if its not getting anything done? 90% of all discusions never actually achieve anything, but these are forums, a place for people to meet and talk. And thats exactly what we're doing here, talking and discussing. So as long as people wish to discuss something, they should be free to do so, as long as the topic subject is of an appropriate subject. And remember, just because you may not find any purpose in the topic, it doesn't mean someone else won't be able to find something in it. Otherwise everyone here is mature enough to stop discussing this matter if they feel no need to. And thus if everyone believe a topic doesn't need to be discussed further, it doesn't need to be locked, becuase the topic will become un-active and fade behind all the newer threads.
Everyone should be entitled to post their opinions on this matter, as long as they keep their post civilized.
Post by: Arcanagirl on March 17, 2006, 12:13:49 AM
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 17, 2006, 12:20:57 AM
First thing I did after I had an argument with DF was PMing them with apologies, because I didnīt want them to think me as an ***hole. Because I know theyīre not bad people or moderators.
But one thing they are: human. And thay have flaws. If theyīre deleting too many posts and locking too many threads this' a matter to be DISCUSSED.
Yes Mr. Mr., the MODERATED. But the did it far across their need to moderate. Their joib is to lock, delete and edit whenever is NECESSARY, and not for silly reasons.
In my post I used a word that canīt be taken as a curse word having thought you say fvck all the time. I just wrote sh!t. And that was editted!
That wasnīt necessary: the reaction was not proportinate to the "law breakin", and thatīs what we want to fix!
Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on March 17, 2006, 12:24:03 AM
Post by: drenrin2120 on March 17, 2006, 12:25:13 AM
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 17, 2006, 12:46:28 AM
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Originally posted by Rune_of_Punishment
figure out a way where this can no longer be a problem in the future. It's not that hard.
And what exactly do you think we've been doing this whole time? We can't just 'magically' expect this problem to fix itself. Theres only one way to fix this problem, and thats to talk about it. If this was never brought and if we never talked about it or discussed it, nothing would have happened. And when it comes to something that dirrectly relates to charas itself, you can't expect it to resolve itself quickly or easily. You say it isn't that hard, perhaps you can solve it? And remember, to stop talking about this won't resolve anything.
Once again, we're not bickering about GC or carmen, all we're doing is talking about a few of their decisions as modderators.
As for Mr Mr, he posted his opinions, all we've done is posted ours in return, the same goes visa versa. If anyone posts here, they have to be willing to accept that people may disagree with them.
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Well, if it's censored, then it's obviously something offensive. I would've edited it too.
Everyone agrees with you there, no one has any doubt that if a topic is truely offensive, it should be locked, censored, or whatever.
Its the topics and posts that people enjoy posting in and yet get locked or deleted for either some minor rule breaking or something that isn't actually a rule. Take this one for example, we're not trying to insult GC or carmen, nor hurt them or flame them, no ones really flaming eachother, everyone is posting their own opinions on a big topic in charas, in the end, there isn't really any rule breaking here, should a topic like this be locked or deleted? Should we not even be able to question a mods decisions? And most topics that are needlessly locked aren't because of things as contraversial as this.
Post by: Grandy on March 17, 2006, 12:51:54 AM
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Originally posted by Rune_of_Punishment
I just love how everyone reads my posts. Stop being immature pups and stop bickering about Mr. Mister, Carmen, and GC. Instead of getting your panties in a wad about it, figure out a way where this can no longer be a problem in the future. It's not that hard.
I was just enjoying the show and didn't want to get involved this time, but this post has called my attention:
YOU said no one read your post, but at the same time, YOU just afirmed they were bickering GC, MM, and C (for short), and all this time, they were clearing explaining they're NOT, they're just voicing their opinions over a FEW, not ALL, not MANY, not even SOME, just A FEW decisions, they're not being immature, as a matter of fact, YOUR post was the most immature until now, of course MINE is immature as well, but I'm not even caring.
And if it's not that hard, give the solution yourself.
Post by: Almeidaboo on March 17, 2006, 01:18:50 AM
EDIT: NOT TO MENTION, that the phrase was sokmething like " Dude, Iīm crazy to play this sh!t"
gimme a break.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 17, 2006, 01:30:19 AM
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Originally posted by Rune_of_Punishment
I just love how everyone reads my posts. Stop being immature pups and stop bickering about Mr. Mister, Carmen, and GC. Instead of getting your panties in a wad about it, figure out a way where this can no longer be a problem in the future. It's not that hard.
*ahem* You post your ideas first Mr Morals. Yay! Figure out a totally not hard idea just like you said!
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 17, 2006, 02:56:33 AM
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Avoid Foul Language
Please refrain from cursing in the forums. It is basically not allowed, but TRY to be clean. Some people do get offended by foul language so please, keep it clean from any temptation. Most of the times cursing is considered flaming.
Not to add this is the "rule" for cursing. as far as I am corcern sh!t is trying to keep it clean.
But anyway no one is flaming, the only person done so, so far is Mrmr. Everyone is else tweaky.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 17, 2006, 04:04:06 AM
There have been an unneccesary amount of locks, deletes, etc., but mods should first pm the poster and tell him/her what he/she is doing wrong first. We are a FORUM. Back when the Romans were PWNing other civilizations, the Forum was the area drained by the Cloaca Maxima, and became the center of Roman peoples's social lives. If posts are deleted, then we can't have any discussions, which is the whole friggin' point of places like this.
Post by: SaiKar on March 17, 2006, 04:11:39 AM
Focus on saying what you believe, and debating with people you disagree with, and let the mods worry about judgement and policy later on.
Post by: Arcanagirl on March 17, 2006, 04:34:09 AM
As the saying goes, "Opinions are like @$$, everyone has one and everyone else thinks the other's stinks!" :flower:
I love that saying.
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 17, 2006, 05:13:04 AM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
Just so you know... the point of this thread is not to "reach a decision." That's my job. You're not voting. You're not a committee or a task force. You're not here to solve any problems.
Focus on saying what you believe, and debating with people you disagree with, and let the mods worry about judgement and policy later on.
I know this isn't a vote or anything, but I at least hope you will take into consideration the things that were said here. If the staff members at any site don't care about its members' thoughts, then there's something wrong.
If this is the case, then there isn't a point in anyone trying to discuss anything because none of it will even be heard by anyone who matters.
You know, its kinda funny. My favorite forums ever were on a site called ManiC's Zone. One day, the head admin ManiC just vanished, no one heard from him, no one could contact him, he was just gone. Soon after, all the staff members just left too and forgot about the site. Though even without any staff, members still went there and all in all, it was a pretty active forum. Surprisingly enough, nothing ever got out of control, and everyone was able to act mature enough. In the end, we realized we never really needed a staff to 'hold our hand' and watch over every thing we did at the site. Then about a year later, the admin came back, all the staff slowly came back. When the staff came back, a lot of them began acting like big shots just because they were the staff of the site, it didn't matter that they didn't visit the site in over a year, cuz after all, they were the 'staff'. Shortly after, the site fell apart and went down. That was around 3 years ago when I first joined charas.
My point in that was that we are not children, we can handle ourselves. We don't need everything censored for us. We're not going to go kill ourselves if someone does some flaming against us. And though you think you're protecting us by doing all this, sometimes you go overboard and it does more harm than good.
I can handle flamers, I can handle antagonists, I can handle idiotic noobs, what I really hate though are corrupt staff members, ones that won't listen to their members, ones that proclaim themselves to be "the god of the forum", ones that are power hungry and looking for authority, and ones that treat all the members like children that need constant guidance even though they are no more mature than the members themselves.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 17, 2006, 05:14:56 AM
To those saying "Stop being immature" umm.. nvm.... I wish not to go there today.
TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!
*runs*
Post by: Razor on March 17, 2006, 05:16:37 AM
You're totally owning this thread.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 17, 2006, 05:22:43 AM
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quote: Originally posted by SaiKar
Just so you know... the point of this thread is not to "reach a decision." That's my job. You're not voting. You're not a committee or a task force. You're not here to solve any problems.
Focus on saying what you believe, and debating with people you disagree with, and let the mods worry about judgement and policy later on.
I know this isn't a vote or anything, but I at least hope you will take into consideration the things that were said here. If the staff members at any site don't care about its members' thoughts, then there's something wrong.
If this is the case, then there isn't a point in anyone trying to discuss anything because none of it will even be heard by anyone who matters.
You know, its kinda funny. My favorite forums ever were on a site called ManiC's Zone. One day, the head admin ManiC just vanished, no one heard from him, no one could contact him, he was just gone. Soon after, all the staff members just left too and forgot about the site. Though even without any staff, members still went there and all in all, it was a pretty active forum. Surprisingly enough, nothing ever got out of control, and everyone was able to act mature enough. In the end, we realized we never really needed a staff to 'hold our hand' and watch over every thing we did at the site. Then about a year later, the admin came back, all the staff slowly came back. When the staff came back, a lot of them began acting like big shots just because they were the staff of the site, it didn't matter that they didn't visit the site in over a year, cuz after all, they were the 'staff'. Shortly after, the site fell apart and went down. That was around 3 years ago when I first joined charas.
My point in that was that we are not children, we can handle ourselves. We don't need everything censored for us. We're not going to go kill ourselves if someone does some flaming against us. And though you think you're protecting us by doing all this, sometimes you go overboard and it does more harm than good.
I can handle flamers, I can handle antagonists, I can handle idiotic noobs, what I really hate though are corrupt staff members, ones that won't listen to their members, ones that proclaim themselves to be "the god of the forum", ones that are power hungry and looking for authority, and ones that treat all the members like children that need constant guidance even though they are no more mature than the members themselves.
You're not saying good ol Sexy Saikar is this way, right?
How else could things be handled though? I see your point about the site being left to the common people thing.
Same thing happened to my site when Gunz Online first came out but no one on my site got power greedy (thank god)
We just all got a little pushy because of this big move we did.
.. it just depends on the purpose of the forum I guess. Most RPG forums I have come across have the same issues as Charas besides a few.
I have yet to come across any anime sites with these types of issues. (excluding the inuyasha fan ones)
Nore any porn sites.... I mean .... Gaming sites with Charas problem.
Most site I have come across does have a noob issue..
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 17, 2006, 05:28:54 AM
Now I do believe other staff members at charas are like that from what I have seen and heard from them.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 17, 2006, 05:30:56 AM
Post by: Arcanagirl on March 17, 2006, 05:31:32 AM
Dragonblaze you make some very strong points, I totally agree with that field. The last forum I ran I never had to tell them anything, or how to act either. I set the rules and just joined in on the convos with everyone, it was peaceful and nice. Yeah sometimes staff can make things worse by being over protective or just plain out power hungry, thinking they can run the show. I have to say I never had that issue when I ran forums though. Maybe cause I am very strict and mean when I get crossed with corrupt staff. It's called the point of authority!
If an admin or mod is going over board, the owner should be breaking down some walls and letting them know who really is in charge.
Oddly, I have to say I never see Alex on ever. I am on a good every day for most the day and night...Suprising today was the first time I seen him online, but he didnt even post or comment on any threads.
He is most likely overly busy, but does he ever post? or talk with others inside the forums? Can anyone fill me in on this?
Saikar, Robotam, not picking sides, but I know you a lot better then the other admins and mods, if ya ever need help with anything I be happy to help out :) I like helping.
*Grabs a whip and snaps it at the floor* Want me to whip some shape into bad bad people? :P
Dont take that too likely, I am making some humor in here. But I am offering help to those who need it. You dont always have to have power on forums to make a difference, and thats the real truth, just like Dragonblaze said. (but in a better way :P)
Smile everyone, this isnt a thread to cause fights or arguements. its to help the forums and the admins/mods in their work.
Wow think they are wanting our opinion on the behalf of the forums, we all make a difference in this forum, even the noobs to the oldest members.
So, put a smile on your face :flower: and lets help Saikar and Robotam by giving our opinions on forum control policies and advise we can give them.
( Please dont hate me for my rants..I just want to help )
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 17, 2006, 05:38:08 AM
lol That guy took pity and could put up with anything.
but anyways. There's a bunch of children on this site and kids will be kids. Some kids do not respect people they just fear them.
(thin line right there)
I'm so glad I don't have this problem on my site. =D
*Thanks the internet god*
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 17, 2006, 07:38:02 AM
Please further explain your last post in reference to the other post where the quote is from.
DB, Your point of view is one that is difficult to understand but granted when it is... whatever that might mean.
Post by: Robotam on March 17, 2006, 07:40:26 AM
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I'm so glad I don't have this problem on my site. =D
We've got plenty of things to thank Bill for.
I side with you Dragonblaze, you've made the best point I've seen in a very long time.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 17, 2006, 06:38:38 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 17, 2006, 07:16:29 PM
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Originally posted by drenrin2120Basically sums up why I went haywire, but not as bad as Carmen or GhostClown.
Wow, you guys suck, lemme be the first to say I haven't had a problem with the mods. I basically agree with Mr. Mister, though he could be nicer about it, but w/e. Alot of the reasons, I think, GC and Carmen do this is because they've edited posts and deleted threads so many times, and members keep going back and breaking the rules again. Like flaming n00bs/newbs with or without a good reason it's against the ruels to flame someone. And making random pointless posts/threads, being annoying/sarcastic/aggressive/flaming. That's my opinion.
If you had to keep doing things over and over again to no success, wouldn't you get agitated too? Maybe there methods aren't as "conventional" as you'd like, but how else should they get their points across? It's not completely GC's and Carmen's fault.
That's my opinion.
However, it does surprise me that shiat happened just at page 6.
To be honnest, none of you are great mods or admins, but then again, are there even great mods or admins? I do have to admit I've seen better moderators in the old days.
However, it does seem that everything was deteriorating after a certain period. I might make a topic out of it (non-flaming, of course, and I would rather have no flames in that topic).
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I could be wrong, but at the time, he could've seen this as a problem between the mods and admins as well as (in a way) sort of humiliating him and Carmen. That's my opinion, this whole thread is a joke and in a way, an attack on GC and Carmen. I side with Mr. Mister, tho I don't usually like him. This time, he's right.
I categorize GC's locking of this topic, perfectly fine. If I was him, I'd see this as more of a private matter. Or maybe it could've just been as simple as Razor said, the posts were now irrelevant. Stop over analyzing things you guys, seriously.
However, you are forgetting that the first half was, in my opinion, a peacefull 'protest'. I believe many agree with that. Or, what DragonBlaze said:
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To be honest, I don't believe anyone is flaming or doing anything inmature in this topic. Theres nothing wrong with having differant opinions, then debating your own opinions. You can't lose hope in us because we don't all share a uniform opinion, its impossible because everyone is differant. Like I said, what matters here is that we're not yelling at eachother and acting like children in this topic.
And logically, you can't really abuse your powers and yet be justified in doing so. If its justified and has a good reason, then it wouldn't be considered abuse. But in actuality, it doesn't really matter what happened in the past, so I'm willing to forgive and forget and move on.
However, at this point I am disappointed again. A guy like MrMister, who actually is right at some points, can just turn a whole topic in a flamefest. Not because he is flaming, but because everybody is getting on him like hungry rats waiting for a limp rat to come by. And in this case the limp rat is MrMister.
Okay, wrong metaphor.
Anyway, the point of this whole topic is a rule Alex himself has set. It's an unwritten rule, but a rule nontheless. Alex himself stated that a topic should not be deleted unless absolutely neccessary. I believe I added to that that even then you should still lock it.
But, my hopes have turned into a sort of, well, disappointment. Of course there are a lot who still keep the no-flaming policy, but I do feel that nobody is actually listening to each other.
I hope this post will not go by unanswered, because I did spend some time in it.
Oh, and in case you missed my previous post:
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First of all, kudos to you all for resolving this maturely.
Next, I would also point out that a mod should not delete topics without noting why. Since you can't point out why topics get deleted, it's better to lock a topic with a closing post on why a topic had been locked. This is the policy most forums have.
Deleting topics mostly give the suggestion that this is a sort of dictature, a place where mods can censor everything. This is not right. Editing posts for malicious words is a better sollution.
I hope we, the members, the mod team and the admin team, learn from this, not only about the topic itself, but also the way we now converse.
It's understandable if this post got by unnoticed, mainly because some person forgot to purge the picture, which now stretches page 5...
(>'.')>
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2006, 08:11:44 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 17, 2006, 08:22:01 PM
Post by: SaiKar on March 17, 2006, 09:22:14 PM
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However, if Sai just opened this topic without the intention of ever listening to anything we said in it, well then I'd be dissapointed. I have a feeling that I won't have to worry about that though.
The entire POINT of this thread is for the other mods and I to listen to you. I'm reading the whole thing and everyone's comments and seeing how things stand. I've got a pretty good idea so far. I'm just saying that you guys don't have to agree on what needs to be done.
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Eh, Sai, when I read your post the whole thing on "Charas isn't mine. It's not Carmen's or GhostClowns. It's not really Alex's anymore. It belongs to a community. Take good care of it." went down the drain for me =/
Please further explain your last post in reference to the other post where the quote is from.
Sounds like I'm resigning huh? Not quite what I meant. The fact is that the forum is mostly out of my hands. If the average member can police themselves, I don't need to do anything and the whole place will run a whole heck of a lot smother.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 17, 2006, 09:25:46 PM
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It's called waisting your life, Osmose ;)
Write short like that more often.
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 17, 2006, 09:35:33 PM
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Write short like that more often.
NEVAH!!!
See, when people post short texts, it is as if you are repeating somebody. When you make long posts, you can actually show you have something to add.
Furthermore, it can draw the attention of the users more. A short post can go unnoticed, I mean, it's a small line. However, longer posts take up more lines. If you add up the fact that more lines means automatic drawing attention, you'll get the point.
Also, some things can't be explained with just one single line. For example, take this post. If I were to say that long posts do have meaning and don't support it with arguments, then you would easily say something against it. It would be just one line, on which you can say something simple and effective, which might not entirely be effective, but for that moment it can be.
However, with a large post, you now have to read trough the text in order to actually go against it. You can't simply say something against it with just one line, simply because there are more arguments which support it.
So, in short, long posts do serve a purpose.
Post by: DragonBlaze on March 17, 2006, 09:38:17 PM
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However, if Sai just opened this topic without the intention of ever listening to anything we said in it, well then I'd be dissapointed. I have a feeling that I won't have to worry about that though.
The entire POINT of this thread is for the other mods and I to listen to you. I'm reading the whole thing and everyone's comments and seeing how things stand. I've got a pretty good idea so far. I'm just saying that you guys don't have to agree on what needs to be done.
Ok I see. At first it sounded as if the staff just put this here, but really weren't going to pay attention to it. I'm glad that i originally misinterperated it and this wasn't the case :)
Post by: Midnight9795 on March 17, 2006, 10:17:53 PM
Hey to all those people saying this topic should be locked or people just need to stop posting here and get over it..How bout..no, see as people have said before this place is a community and many people come here from all over the world. We all have different opinions, and that's the whole point of this topic..to voice out our thoughts, so if you have a problem with it then you could always ignore this thread. Because it really irks me when people post in here telling others what to do, none is holding a gun to you're head so please spare me the whining.
Now on to Carmen and Ghostclown..In all honesty I wish them gone, but that's just MY opinion. I strongly believe that they ride their high horse a bit to high. Yeah sure, MODS (because Ghostclown that's what you are a MOD, not an ADMIN) are suppose to be a part of the government and help things ride out smoothly but you have to remember there's more then us and all that sneaky stuff comes out in the open after a while. These two mods have an issue, if things don't go 'their' way then they abuse their powers by deleting/editing/locking or whatever and sometimes for fun they'll make you look like a fool. They're overdoing it, and since alot of the other higher ups aren't around as much for a while they've been getting away with it. I mean, I recall someone told carmen off for this and for a while he stopped but that of course didn't last very long..There was no reason for Ghostclown to lock this topic, and say he doesn't care what Sai'Kar the admin, says and there damn sure was no reason for carmen to open it and say he agrees and then relock it. Deleting their posts afterwards so they wont look like fools just made them look even more like fools, I mean about two weeks ago carmen decided to bump his topic on that alex drawing he did and everyone pointed out that he was topic kicking but they added nice drawing anyways. I post and he starts a fight with me, just cause I didn't add nice pic? LOL, no.. He of all people is suppose to enforce the rules, but that went out the door. After a few posts of going back in forth he gets GC to delete my post BUT before that has the nerve to say
''carmen
lol these posts are all so beleted.
had fun though.
btw mid. just three letters
L
O
L''
Like really, what kind of mod acts like that? When Kijuki reposts the issue and places his view point, carmen decides to delete the whole thread. I mean, they're both in this little world where they believe they're right whereas our opinions and so forth are completely wrong. Are you guys really happy with people who don't care about our thoughts? Who will delete a topic you're interested in within a heartbeat, and when you get you're response back as to why you get a 'LOL, none of you're business ^_-' Come on, be for real. Eventually this will get completely out of hand, they do alot of stuff behind people's back and it's ok to let them continue on? Someone please explain this to me, and don't give me that lame excuse 'cause they're mods' Give me something better, and another thing how many people actually check the mod logs a day? O.o
Warning: Do NOT DELETE OR EDIT my post, because I WILL repost it. Wrong girl, not me..
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 17, 2006, 10:32:08 PM
Post by: Midnight9795 on March 17, 2006, 10:34:34 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 17, 2006, 10:36:29 PM
:guns: :frag: :para: gun smilies :yell:
Post by: X_marks_the_ed on March 17, 2006, 10:48:48 PM
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
And some things don't, like the fact that the :P smilie still isn't a smilie, and that the gun smilies still exist.
:guns: :frag: :para: gun smilies :yell:
This is the only Gary post I haven't skipped, and I agree.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 17, 2006, 10:49:42 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
Come on, be for real. Eventually this will get completely out of hand,
I had no problem with it first, but after realising that, I had to bug in somewhere. But good point nonetheless.
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Sounds like I'm resigning huh? Not quite what I meant. The fact is that the forum is mostly out of my hands. If the average member can police themselves, I don't need to do anything and the whole place will run a whole heck of a lot smother.
And thanks sai for clearing that up lol
And gary, we all still love you :) <.<
Post by: Razor on March 18, 2006, 12:08:43 AM
However, I would like to point out that at (probably) every single point in your post, you refered to Carmen as a he. Accident? Or nay?
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 18, 2006, 12:20:13 AM
Post by: Midnight9795 on March 18, 2006, 12:26:11 AM
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Originally posted by Razor
Oh Mid, no wonder we call you the princess of Charas. Or something.
However, I would like to point out that at (probably) every single point in your post, you refered to Carmen as a he. Accident? Or nay?
*grins evily* More like a naaaay
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 18, 2006, 02:25:52 AM
Besides all this, I smell something fishy. But ia m not sure what it is. I can speculate but meh.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 18, 2006, 02:35:24 AM
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Originally posted by X_marks_the_ed
quote: Originally posted by GaryCXJk
And some things don't, like the fact that the :P smilie still isn't a smilie, and that the gun smilies still exist.
:guns: :frag: :para: gun smilies :yell:
This is the only Gary post I haven't skipped, and I agree.
The irony makes me laugh
Post by: Midnight9795 on March 18, 2006, 02:41:07 AM
Alright, just to show you guys what I was speaking about in that little art topic things cause it was late at nite and none really saw it. This was in Carmen's art thread about Alex, alot of people stated he topic kicked and his excuse was the new members needed to know who Alex was (in all honesty I think he was trying to show off, and that was a lame excuse), but at the end they all added something like ''good art tho'' I think it was Drerin (sorry if I spelt your name wrong, or have the wrong person) who pretty much said something like why did you topic kick, and his response was cause I can and then we have this...
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Midnight9795
Are you for real with this statement..? I mean really...in all honesty ppl can learn who alex is by looking in the photo section since he does have his pics in the first couple of pages..*blinks* (looks like someone's on the high horse here..)
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carmen
um...yes i'm for real. why don't you go back to that dying forum you're from?
well it's better then sifting through HOW MANY PAGES of post a photo and it shows
interaction. Seriously girl, get some PR skills.
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Midnight9795
Oh carmen..alittle power and she gets all mighty proud of herself..
Are you gonna send me another sorry arsed pm on whether or not I like you..? Cause I'll save you the time..at the moment, no I don't like you.. you really lost a lot of respect being as you act as though you're better then others..such a party pooper you can be..and no, not really..I mean his pic is like IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF PAGES..god
damn..I swear..
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carmen
tsk tsk.
alittle power?
don't get in a pissing contest with me. You'll lose.
don't get angry. lol...it's not that big of a deal.
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Midnight9795
Originally posted by carmen
tsk tsk.
alittle power?
don't get in a pissing contest with me. You'll lose.
don't get angry. lol...it's not that big of a deal.
*blinks* Are you friggin high or something..? 'lol?' If it's not that big of a deal, then you could've just ignored it..but you didn't. I'll lose? Don't get angry? Can you see the future? Are you an empath or something..? Hm..I wonder..maybe you are a blonde after all..
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carmen
lol these posts are all so beleted.
had fun though.
btw mid. just three letters
L
O
L
Carmen got Ghostclown to delete all our posts so he wont look like a fool, and then when Kijuki reposted it and placed his own thoughts on this Carmen decided to delete the topic. From what I hear this isn't the first time he's done this..
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2006, 03:13:32 AM
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Originally posted by Linkizcool
quote: Originally posted by X_marks_the_ed
quote: Originally posted by GaryCXJk
And some things don't, like the fact that the :P smilie still isn't a smilie, and that the gun smilies still exist.
:guns: :frag: :para: gun smilies :yell:
This is the only Gary post I haven't skipped, and I agree.
The irony makes me laugh
HAHA, it's funny because Ed's a n00b!
Edit: Oh wow, you got in a fight with a mod, big whoop, I've done that three times, twice I've won, once I lost, and 2 of the times the mods edited my posts/deleted them. It's cheap, but if you're any good you can easily bypass those advantages they have.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 18, 2006, 04:52:51 AM
Post by: SaiKar on March 18, 2006, 04:58:55 AM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Edit: Oh wow, you got in a fight with a mod, big whoop, I've done that three times, twice I've won, once I lost, and 2 of the times the mods edited my posts/deleted them. It's cheap, but if you're any good you can easily bypass those advantages they have.
And here we have the best example I can find of why Meiscool will never me a mod while I'm around. :hi:
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2006, 05:06:33 AM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
quote: Originally posted by Meiscool
Edit: Oh wow, you got in a fight with a mod, big whoop, I've done that three times, twice I've won, once I lost, and 2 of the times the mods edited my posts/deleted them. It's cheap, but if you're any good you can easily bypass those advantages they have.
And here we have the best example I can find of why Meiscool will never me a mod while I'm around. :hi:
Lol. Hell, nothing I hate being more then a suck up.
Post by: Archem on March 18, 2006, 05:11:37 AM
Post by: shadus on March 18, 2006, 05:12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Archem2
I believe you mean "than". Sorry, but I detest poor grammar. I spend so much time learning it, and to see it discraced as such makes me feel let down by humanity.
Suck up.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2006, 05:16:52 AM
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Originally posted by Archem2
discraced.
Moron
Post by: MrMister on March 18, 2006, 07:49:17 AM
Remove your pants and do the no pants dance!
Anyways, a decision has been made!
I hope this thread can die now, it's hurt Charas so much already.
Post by: carmen on March 18, 2006, 12:48:05 PM
go
HERE (http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=15968&forumid=12&catid=6&page=2)
Post by: ~*Sweet Ichifo*~ on March 18, 2006, 09:11:46 PM
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I want to know if you guys deleted that one FF7 thread....
Is it really nessacary to delete threads? Why not put them in the junk area......or something there can be something valuable in there
If threads have illegal content (I dont mean spamming, etc. I mean like porn and REAL things that are illegal.) then it shouldnt be placed in the junk section, but just deleted. Spamming and flame wars can go in the junk section. Who knows? Those threads might bring back memories.