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Off-Topic => Really Old Stuff => Archive => Charas Project Support => Topic started by: Alex on May 27, 2004, 10:36:18 PM
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Well, all of us may see what happens.
Sad story, but good to focus problems.
Here is what i'm talking about:
http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?forumid=4&catid=8&threadid=3965
Now, who wants to help figthing for Charas to remain a good place, here is a first step.
The main troubles with complete resources are:
1) check if the sent resource is original, ripped or what else
2) scan resources to delete double postings (leaving the oldest, in case)
3) Time to manage them
Well, i want to give up with complete resources.
So i'll need some ppls to create a group to manage them.
I can give you an admin panel to check, upload and modify resources.
I need trustable users that would like to seriously take care of this task, and this is the reason of this thread:
Propose yourself if you'd like to be in this group.
Remeber that this is a high responsibility, you will have total power over every complete resource visible and not.
So, only ppls that will SURELY do this SERIOUSLY.
Tnx in advance.
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As I said in the other thread, I will volunteer my services. Unfortunately, as I have said little in the past, you don't have much to base your opinions on as to whether or not I am trust worthy, but my offer to help still stands.
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Do you think I'd do a good job at this? Under different circumstances I've had few opinions in myself.
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Everyone's got an opinion. I think whats important for this job is to be dedicated to the task and to follow the outlines given. And of course honesty... Almost forgot about that one *smacks self*.
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I don't care if i don't have much to understand if you're trustable or not.
You saw the other thread, you can easily understand what the whole community will do against someone that will not take "good care" of the complete section.
So, if you're publically proposing yourself here, exposing yourself to a suddendeath, the cases are:
1) you're totally stupid
2) you're trustable
And i don't think you're stupid, so...
it's ok for me, welcome in! ;)
I will create the admin tool within some days, so i will decide who will definitively join the group on that date.
Thanks for joining!
EDIT
DF, yes, i think you'd do a good job at this.
As ar as i saw, you have no reasons to have few opinions in yourself.
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Ha... Alright. I was just stating the fact. And on that note, I'm glad to have the opportunity to be a bigger part of Charas.
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i kno i have no right to post here since i was involved in that incident but i think if the person doesent have the real authors name, he cant post it
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Darkfox, don't have a low opinion of yourself, Earlier I said I wanted to help, I still do, but I'm not sure how much I can contribute . .
I'm uncertain as to how much I can help come summer though, because I find that I can keep a good schedule in summer, but I should have more free time.
Anyway, I think you got a good enough team between Darkfox and Woundedgoat, but I'd toss in whatever aid I can, at first, I admit that I'd probably not be able to come to the site often, but since the whole temporary loss of the complete resources, I feel like I should Try harder, and not let myself think that I can't. Mind over matter.
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I would like to be part of this...(dont think there is anything else for me to say)
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I can help. If you think I'm not trustable, that's OK, but I really don't want the Complete Resources to go! :(
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I'll try and help because I'm
1) totally stupid!!!!
LOL
No actually im very trustworthy, and Ive wanted to help out for a while
Eddit : I think that the complete resources should not include the ones made in the generators
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yea that pisses me off. who's gonna download something they can make themselvs
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I think I would be good for this. Considering I make many resources on my own. I visit many great sites for character sets and other resources, this would also help me. Besides, I'm willing to go through hundreds of resources to keep the CR going!! :D
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You should have a couple ppl scanning different catagories evryday. and like dont allow ppl to submit anything beyond for example, 10 o clock so you never miss a resource i think its a good idea
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Hmm... I disagree. I don't think putting a time limit on submitting resources is a good idea. I may cut down on administration a little, but its limiting to the authors as well, even more so I feel. But hey, thats just my opinion.
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Ok.
I created the admin panel.
Now.... here's how i think to proceed.
I sent the access data PM to DarkFox,woundedgoat,GhostClown212,Shady Ultima.
I think 4 users is surely enough to guarantee someone will check new submissions in reasonable times.
The first things to do are:
1) find and delete doubles, leaving the oldest one
2) find and delete generated resources
3) find and correct uncredited resources, rips, etc.
Consider that a resources may be credited only at a registered member: if the original author is not one, better to delete the resource to avoid troubles or ask the author to register.
I ask to Revolution911,ES2005,SnakeIzeGambit and Blitz Ace to help for this, because these first steps may be a little time consuming.
You may check resources and signal them here if you find something wrong.
Also, any user who wants to signal something to the upload team may write here as well.
If there are any questions, post here or send me a PM.
Thanks to everyone!!!
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Okay Alex, just to make sure I understand correctly you want us to:
A) Delete Doubles and keeping the oldest submission (can't really misunderstand that one, but I'll be thourough).
B) Disallow/Delete generated resources (also easy to understand).
C) Fix resource text for uncredited ones and indicate rips/compliations if nessecary.
D)
Consider that a resources may be credited only at a registered member: if the original author is not one, better to delete the resource to avoid troubles or ask the author to register.
This is the one I'm not sure of. You want us to only allow resources created by those who are part of Charas or if they are not, ask them to register (where I'm assuming if they refuse the resource is to be removed)?
Now I have a couple of questions:
First off, concerning double posted resurces. Let us say that a first resources (a rip most likly) is submitted and is uploaded. Then let's say the some one else submits another version of the same resource only that it is of a higher quality or more complete then the previous (EG, proper colors or size, better resolution etc). What would you like us to do in such a case? In my opinion, this is a valid reason for submitting a resource that has already been uploaded.
Second, resources that are made with the generator but have been editted to a degree (EG, not just a recolor or a few pixel changes here and there). Should these be kept or discarded?
That's all for now. I will start sifting through the resources now, only changing what I'm sure you want done.
Edit: Just in case someone else decides to start on this as well, I'm starting in System2. Why, you may ask? A) because it's the last one and B) because the first one is Charasets and I really don't feel like having to go through that without any sleep. Cheers.
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This is the one I'm not sure of. You want us to only allow resources created by those who are part of Charas or if they are not, ask them to register (where I'm assuming if they refuse the resource is to be removed)?
Exactly.
The "author" field retrieve names and ids from the forum users database.
So, if "Spikey" is not a registered member you cannot assign "Spikey" as resource's author.
This way we will be able to check better things, just because we will be sure who to ask in case of troubles.
If a "truly suspect" author will not reply within some days about his submission (3-4 days should be enough), delete the suspect resource.
First off, concerning double posted resurces. Let us say that a first resources (a rip most likly) is submitted and is uploaded. Then let's say the some one else submits another version of the same resource only that it is of a higher quality or more complete then the previous (EG, proper colors or size, better resolution etc). What would you like us to do in such a case? In my opinion, this is a valid reason for submitting a resource that has already been uploaded.
True, but this probaby means the resource is not original.
So keep the one that gives proper credits at least in description, if possible. If not... fire! ;)
I meant keeping the oldest one in case of identical resources.
Second, resources that are made with the generator but have been editted to a degree (EG, not just a recolor or a few pixel changes here and there). Should these be kept or discarded?
Kept, if it's not possible to recreate the resource with the generator or with some simple editing over generated resources.
Anyhow, if it's clear it was edited from a generated resource, better to write it in the description using a standard forumla (eg, [edit on charas resource]). This will help also using the serch utlity, which looks for matches in author names, resources names and descriptions.
Edit: Just in case someone else decides to start on this as well, I'm starting in System2. Why, you may ask? A) because it's the last one and B) because the first one is Charasets and I really don't feel like having to go through that without any sleep. Cheers.
It's a good idea to tell here what you plan to do.
Having more ppls working over the same resource may cause troubles, in some rare circumstances.
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Okay I'm really tired and getting dumb, but I have to ask, are we allowing outside resources at all? The biggest example that jumps to mind is that there's quite a bit of stuff from RM2K3.com.
Edit: As a side note, I also did some work in the BattleWeapons section. Neither is done yet though. Sleepy time.
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Check out marcosjayala. He's got a charaset called My Animals, and It's got a lot of resources not possibly made by him. Also check out the rest of his work. Hope this helps.
With All Due Respect,
ES2005
EDIT: He's got A game over called "Final Fantasy 8". I'm not sure if it's the final fantasy 8 game over, because I never played FF8, but he says "give me credit if you use it". If it was the FF8 game over, I'd credit FF8, wouldn't you? Something to check into.
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Originally posted by woundedgoat
Okay I'm really tired and getting dumb, but I have to ask, are we allowing outside resources at all? The biggest example that jumps to mind is that there's quite a bit of stuff from RM2K3.com.
Edit: As a side note, I also did some work in the BattleWeapons section. Neither is done yet though. Sleepy time.
Well, if the resources are in RM2K3.com, then leave them in RM2K3.com, if it wasn't the author that submits them to us too.
P.S.: thank you for alerting, ES2005!
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i got a question, i submitted a few resources made by me last night, i look today and there not there
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When you send resources, they're not immediatly visible in Charas.
They will be visible only in the Team admin panel and, from there, they will check/edit/upload it
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Blarg... Sleep is evading me. I'm going back to work. I'll look at marcosjayala's stuff first.
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o alright i got ya.
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Please, if you can, keep the ripped resources separate from the original resources. I have thought for some time that the resources section needs more organization, and this is a start. For example, when I'm hunting down faces for my games, I don't want to go through pages of faces from Final Fantasy and other games before I get to original faces.
I also think it would be really nice if the sprites and faces were put in categories (men, women, kids, animals, monsters)--though if that's too much work, just ignore that suggestion (for now). I'd love to be able to look through a small section of animal faces/sprites, realize that, say, a gorilla or a peacock is not there, and then go request it on the forum; but if I have to wade through a huge section of mixed resources I may never know if it's there or not. I don't want to go request resources that are already available, because it wastes spriters' time.
Anyhoo... :heart: Keep up the good work!
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Ok, Alex, I read your post, considering my role, I'll keep my eyes open and see if I find anything strange.