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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Osmose on October 11, 2006, 06:14:14 PM

Title: Bonk Bonk Bonk!
Post by: Osmose on October 11, 2006, 06:14:14 PM

I'm very happy to announce a new tool that the mods are going to be using - the Bonk tool!

Although mods only have a certain jurisdiction in Charas, everyone appointed to the mod team is considered generally competent, and their opinions in terms of rules should be respected (to a point - you get what I'm saying, follow the rules). However, it's become increasingly apparent that it's difficult for a mod to really get in touch with a user and let them know that they're pushing it.

When you get bonked, you will not know which mod did it. It could've been me from CC, or Sai'Kar, ubermin. It could be Mid, Warxe, or even Alex. You don't know who it is - the anonymity helps us get the message through to you.

You will see a screen saying you have been bonked, and telling you why you've been bonked and what you should do. It's nothing too serious - maybe you've been having a bad week and been a bit snappy = a mod can tell you to chill out and hopefully you'll get the message. Of course, if you get bonked multiple times over time then there will be a problem.

Now there are a few kinks to work out - we're going to try to keep track of who gets bonked for what, so that you don't get 50 bonks about the same thing - if you do, just PM a mod explaining this and they'll try and help you out.

At the same time, don't assume that this is always the case - if you get multiple bonks for the same thing, say, three over the course of a week, it might mean that you haven't really improved. Think of bonks as the Almost-Ban Lite: Not quite as powerful, but we're watching you and will take action if you don't shape up.

So get scared. We are going to bonk your bonk until your bonk is so bonked that bonking is just bonkingly out of the bonk.




BONK!

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Post by: Almeidaboo on October 11, 2006, 06:42:05 PM

LOL, it sounds funny, and kinda cool too...Let´s see how it´ll work!

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 11, 2006, 07:13:35 PM

This sounds pretty ghey.

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Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on October 11, 2006, 07:21:31 PM

hmmm...I don't know what to say other than.....



"ABUSE"


"BONK MEEEEEE"

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Post by: drenrin2120 on October 11, 2006, 07:48:05 PM

Cool? Well, hopefully it goes off without a hitch. Not a bad idea actually.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 11, 2006, 07:50:20 PM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
This sounds pretty ghey.

I second that statement.

Title: My Only Problem With It
Post by: aboutasoandthis on October 11, 2006, 08:01:27 PM

I'd like to know who bonks me.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 11, 2006, 08:09:52 PM

I'm sure you would, Aboutaso. :)

But if that were the case, we could simply send a PM. This is supposed to be a "slap on the wrist" sort of thing - just to tell you "Shape up"without any real reason.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 11, 2006, 08:27:18 PM

I was bonked. I didn't get a screen in time though.

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Post by: Revolution911 on October 11, 2006, 08:27:37 PM

Go bonk yourself. :flower:

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 11, 2006, 08:45:23 PM

Why havn't I been bonked yet?

We all know I'm a butthead.

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Post by: Osmose on October 11, 2006, 08:53:09 PM

Another nice thing about bonking is that people like Meiscool get jealous when we don't bonk them even though they're trying to be.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 11, 2006, 08:53:25 PM

I think somebody should start a thread, strictly for Bonking sake.
See how quick You can get bonked.

Or maybe I could try i here....it sounds like an applpenisicable idea that would further my ability to test the capajewboobiepoohragbilities of the mods bonking powers.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 11, 2006, 08:55:02 PM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
I think somebody should start a thread, strictly for Bonking sake.
See how quick You can get bonked.

Or maybe I could try i here....it sounds like an applpenisicable idea that would further my ability to test the capajewboobiepoohragbilities of the mods bonking powers.

I'll do it if the mods let me......

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 11, 2006, 09:50:13 PM

Bonk me God Damnit!

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 11, 2006, 10:22:31 PM

CHaras needs a respect system. That would pwn.

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Post by: Cosmos on October 12, 2006, 12:10:50 AM

Stop spamming the topic.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 12:35:34 AM

THANKYOU FELLA MODERATORS/MIDNIGHT.

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Post by: Cosmos on October 12, 2006, 12:37:18 AM

I didn't send one, Sir Jackass. ^_^

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 12:38:30 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
THANKYOU FELLA MODERATORS/MIDNIGHT.

I got the same one.
dis system is uberghey

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 12:39:29 AM

I got one, who the hell thinks I was TRYING to get one? Twenty bucks says it was Osmose.

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 12:44:38 AM

Yeah, I was just trying to be a dick, not get banged.

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Post by: Osmose on October 12, 2006, 12:45:09 AM

I'll hold you to that twenty dollars. Now, see, the great thing about bonks is that even if you know or don't know who it is, you still get banned. :)

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 12:46:31 AM

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Originally posted by Osmose
I'll hold you to that twenty dollars.

Well, yeh were the only one 'performing an admin action' thirty seconds before I was hit with the buzzkill. I think I just made twenty bucks, hehehe.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 01:54:03 AM

I havent got bonked. I guess Hiding vulgarities within words is fair gayme.

Um.....I hate to say this, but this is retarded...a Slap on the wrist...pfft.
This isnt going to accomplish anything....People who get temporarily banned are just going to start a temporary account to rant-spam the thread that was the source of their bonk. You guys dont think resorting to anonymous nazism is gonna solve anything do you?

Hows this......
If TWO mods agree, then they should have "bonking/lamewadgestapo" privilages....And they should have to be Man up b@lls-out enough about it to post their names.What are they hiding?

Seriously....This is going to have about the same result of a Rent-a-cop kicking kids out of a Mall.

The kids are just going to come in through other entrances, to make the Guards jobs harder.


Not that I want to get banned, or am planning on it or anything of the likes......

But honestly.......



And then, to boot, youre going to have to open a seperate thread for Bonk-Disputes.

You  seem to think this is going to make your job easier, but its just going to make things out of hand.

Are you planning on having a "notify Mod of Bonkworthy behavior" button? because if you dont, its a very mild for of fascism....."How about a myspace-esque "kudos" thing....Then the mods would have to recognise the amount of Anti-bonks any given member had to their credit.

Id like to have a small say, a nudge, if you will, in who gets bonked. What if say, Meiscool says something that Fundamentally upsets me. And the Mods happen to think its funny and lighthearted....Wheres the "anonymous complaint system" to deal with that?


Youve implemented a DEMERIT system, with no option of acredation.

This is silly, you guys.


This thread has already become a joke. Read this sh!t.....
Is this your idea of order?



Bonk me if you will, but this is Bu!!$hit.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on October 12, 2006, 01:59:23 AM

This sounds VERY stupid. Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

What if someone got a bonk, but they don't know exactly what for, who would  they contact if they had questions on what they did wrong?

We should just stick with mods PMing members or having them just point out what they did wrong in the topic. Members could  then ask the mod on what they did wrong if they didn't understand the rule.

Mods shouldn't have to hide anything, especially their identity.

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 01:59:50 AM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
I havent got bonked. I guess Hiding vulgarities within words is fair gayme.

Um.....I hate to say this, but this is retarded...a Slap on the wrist...pfft.
This isnt going to accomplish anything....People who get temporarily banned are just going to start a temporary account to rant-spam the thread that was the source of their bonk. You guys dont think resorting to anonymous nazism is gonna solve anything do you?

Hows this......
If TWO mods agree, then they should have "bonking/lamewadgestapo" privilages....And they should have to be Man up b@lls-out enough about it to post their names.What are they hiding?

Seriously....This is going to have about the same result of a Rent-a-cop kicking kids out of a Mall.

The kids are just going to come in through other entrances, to make the Guards jobs harder.


Not that I want to get banned, or am planning on it or anything of the likes......

But honestly.......



And then, to boot, youre going to have to open a seperate thread for Bonk-Disputes.

You  seem to think this is going to make your job easier, but its just going to make things out of hand.

Are you planning on having a "notify Mod of Bonkworthy behavior" button? because if you dont, its a very mild for of fascism....."How about a myspace-esque "kudos" thing....Then the mods would have to recognise the amount of Anti-bonks any given member had to their credit.

Id like to have a small say, a nudge, if you will, in who gets bonked. What if say, Meiscool says something that Fundamentally upsets me. And the Mods happen to think its funny and lighthearted....Wheres the "anonymous complaint system" to deal with that?


Youve implemented a DEMERIT system, with no option of acredation.

This is silly, you guys.


This thread has already become a joke. Read this sh!t.....
Is this your idea of order?



Bonk me if you will, but this is Bu!!$hit.

I agree with all your points. u rox mayne.
But, just let them try it out. If they find it helps them in anyway, they can have their little system. It doesn't concern me that much.. I've never listened to what the moderators have said because they know I'm always right. They're just doing their jobs.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 02:02:58 AM

But why make your job harder?

How long did they think this over?

It sounds like the kind of crap thought up during a session of bong hits.


A three strike youre out system would be far more effective....

Right now, its "Maybe if you get bonked enough, we'll ban you for a few days."

If you get 3 bonks, they should ban you....
Because this is freakin laughable.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 12, 2006, 02:08:59 AM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
But why make your job harder?

How long did they think this over?

It sounds like the kind of crap thought up during a session of bong hits.


A three strike youre out system would be far more effective....

Right now, its "Maybe if you get bonked enough, we'll ban you for a few days."

If you get 3 bonks, they should ban you....
Because this is freakin laughable.

I think i saw this topic before, well seen something like ii when a mod was browsing the "private" forum.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 02:10:14 AM

You mean a "bong rips" topic? hehe

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 02:11:20 AM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
But why make your job harder?

How long did they think this over?

It sounds like the kind of crap thought up during a session of bong hits.


A three strike youre out system would be far more effective....

Right now, its "Maybe if you get bonked enough, we'll ban you for a few days."

If you get 3 bonks, they should ban you....
Because this is freakin laughable.

Three bonks = ban? Three people got a bonk for goofin around in a thread and involving no one but themselves. Doing that three times really constitute a ban?

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 12, 2006, 02:11:52 AM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
You mean a "bong rips" topic? hehe

No!


Also, do bonks get recorded in the mod log file?

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 02:12:43 AM

Not so much....Im sure you get what Im saying.....


With this system there is too much grey area.....


With this system there is too much ghey area too....

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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on October 12, 2006, 02:14:17 AM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

Let's say someone is being a jerk, and I send a PM to the person telling him to knock it off or whatever. The person reads it, and just thinks  "Pfft, it's just FFL, I don't have to take him seriously!" and continues what he's doing regardless.
If you don't know who the mod is, then you can't just disregard it on account of not liking the particular mod who sent it for whatever reason.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 02:16:51 AM

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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

Let's say someone is being a jerk, and I send a PM to the person telling him to knock it off or whatever. The person reads it, and just thinks  "Pfft, it's just FFL, I don't have to take him seriously!" and continues what he's doing regardless.
If you don't know who the mod is, then you can't just disregard it on account of not liking the particular mod who sent it for whatever reason.

And you think people will take a faceless image more seriously becaaaaaaauuuuse?

"Pfft, its just a message, who gives a f***?"

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 02:20:13 AM

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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

Let's say someone is being a jerk, and I send a PM to the person telling him to knock it off or whatever. The person reads it, and just thinks  "Pfft, it's just FFL, I don't have to take him seriously!" and continues what he's doing regardless.
If you don't know who the mod is, then you can't just disregard it on account of not liking the particular mod who sent it for whatever reason.

That doesnt explain anything.

If a member is that disrespectfull in the first place, to the extend of totally disregarding a moderators authority......

Then "strike one"

Let the jerk know that they done F**k with (insert mod name here)

It will let them know that they are on thin Ice.



The anonymity is bu!!$****, dude.

If somebody disregards your authoritah as a moderator, they should be punished.....And Know their retirbutor. Its friggin prfessional courtesy.....

Thats right......

UNPROFESSIONAL.

THIS IS AN AMATEUR TACTIC.



If you get arrested, its your g0ddamn right to know the cops name that arrested you (here it is anyways, in the free world), and his badge number, his reason for arresting, and reason for suspicion....
And what happens if you dont know this information? The cops story is bull$****....and the case is thrown out....BECAUSE IT HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.

Anyhow, Ive gotten my two cents in........Good luck with this anti-democratic  little game youre playing....

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 02:22:29 AM

Dude, just for saying 'authoritah' I read the rest of that post with the voice idea of Cartman XD

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 02:24:08 AM

wow....its a pretty funny post, when you read it as eric cartman.....

Good call, dude.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 02:31:39 AM

First of all, I had not come to this place in a big while, but when today I was told of this (for obvious reasons), I couldn't help but to come here, and see for myself. And... oh my God!

True.
vVv
VvV

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
This sounds VERY stupid. Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

What if someone got a bonk, but they don't know exactly what for, who would  they contact if they had questions on what they did wrong?

We should just stick with mods PMing members or having them just point out what they did wrong in the topic. Members could  then ask the mod on what they did wrong if they didn't understand the rule.

Mods shouldn't have to hide anything, especially their identity.

No mod should hide their identity or was someone hurt by someone recoiling?

And I also agree with this being gay, and being a joke; Treat people like adults, call this a warning system, not a bonk system, regardless of how childly they act.

Sounds like a way to try to keep order by punching someone in the back for bullying instead of comming foward to them and telling them stop it, and explaining the rule broken, because annoying someone isn't directly a broken rule, little more spamming. From what I've been told spam has been made more general than ever, and has only been asnwered to with PMs about annoying other people, but now now switching that around without even the smallest warning, and with a new mediocre system, that you are seeing nobody is liking ('noobs' and seniors alike), it's starting to seem like someone is/has been running into problems and is running out of ideas. And if you think that only the staff needs to know who has bonked then... I won't explain here. You people know that this isn't precisely right.

Will this be used by mods in their station? Osmose is hardly a mod (since he only holds access to modship because he is supposed to be running the contest which long died), yet he has been taken into full consideration for full use in this programme.

Moreover, do you know how this can backfire? How much can this be exploited? Unless you people have a log of this thing (which by the little information given sounds like there isn't any kind of real supervision), people can go making fake screenshots of "bonks" and result to a great smack in the face to the staff if this is not watched.


If you don't believe me in that, there's something in the eyes of every mod here can't deny: Carmen would've loved having this.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 02:43:17 AM

Yeah, I have to agree with FFL.

No one respects FFL.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 02:46:11 AM

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Originally posted by Black Massacre

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood You mean a "bong rips" topic? hehe

No!


Also, do bonks get recorded in the mod log file?

Not in the member one. I have checked.

Irony tells us that the log file shown to us was to let us view who did what, however this "tool" merely contradicts such thing, if not all, the idea is contradicted.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 02:47:25 AM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki

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Originally posted by Black Massacre quote: Originally posted by plightofthepureblood You mean a "bong rips" topic? hehe No! Also, do bonks get recorded in the mod log file?

Not in the member one. I have checked.

Irony tells us that the log file shown to us was to let us view who did what, however this "tool" merely contradicts such thing.

Hey! Ure back! I thought you finally cut yourself or something.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 02:52:13 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki quote: Originally posted by Black Massacre quote: Originally posted by plightofthepureblood You mean a "bong rips" topic? hehe No! Also, do bonks get recorded in the mod log file? Not in the member one. I have checked. Irony tells us that the log file shown to us was to let us view who did what, however this "tool" merely contradicts such thing.

Hey! Ure back! I thought you finally cut yourself or something.

No, people made rumors about me, because they didn't like me, or apperantly I represented a sort of "threat".

The only thing I cut was this place. But I had to just come back after being told this and watch how this has come to be and smirk at it, like well, most are probably thinking.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 02:52:57 AM

Let me put it this way:

I don't CARE what you guys think about bonks. Alex made the system because we thought it would be a good idea, and unless you can prove DEFINITIVELY that it is a bad idea, we're not going to remove it. Whining and saying "This is gay" is not proof.

Yeah, guess that makes me a fascist. Guess that also makes Lord Raffles right - the mod team's just a bunch of Jew-hating fascists who have no life, so we pick on inferior regular members.

This is like the whole Troll Kingdom thing - the whole thing fell apart because you guys didn't like Saikar's idea. Which is fine - this is the free world - but none of the mod team's ever claimed that Charas is a democracy. You guys get some say in the decisions around here, but it's ultimately up to us to decide on them.

Say what you will, but know that it doesn't matter. And if you don't like that, deal with it. If you want to change it, go ahead and try. Replace Saikar with Meiscool, and we'll see how long Charas lasts.

Kijuki: If you've come here just to be a nuisance, don't even bother. We're not going to put up with any of your shit.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 02:56:15 AM

Kij: Yeah. I never thought you were emo. I just thought you were wierd and psychopathic.

Warxe: Charas would rule with me in charge, other then the fact that people would leave because I've been unruly deemed "irresponsible". Aside from that, at least I'm active.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 02:57:41 AM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Let me put it this way:

I don't CARE what you guys think about bonks.....we thought it would be a good idea, and unless you can prove DEFINITIVELY that it is a bad idea, we're not going to remove it. .

Say what you will, but know that it doesn't matter. And if you don't like that, deal with it. If you want to change it, go ahead and try.

LoL. Ironicly, this is funny. Either way, you guys dont accept nor care abou the most minor criticism about how you guys are running the place.

"Kijuki: If you've come here just to be a nuisance, don't even bother. We're not going to put up with any of your shit."

I came here to see that my predictions are shaping up. There's is nothing wrong with that, nor have i've done anything wrong.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 02:58:19 AM

The anonyminity (I swear thats a word) of it all is whats the problem. You say that the reason for the lack of identification is so that its taken just as seriously no matter who. But c'mon, if a stranger told you "Don't do that" you'd probably tell em to f*** off, but if a cop who you were sure was there and was sure of his authority told you not to, odds are you'd back off.

Having some blue box say "You been bonked lol" is much easier to write off than a mod PMing, giving you just reason for a warn, and providing links to evidence (Something that doesn't happen anyway, in my experience) of said warn.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:01:12 AM

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Stuff.

Accurate predictions based on previous happens of the internet? NO WAI!

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
Kij: Yeah. I never thought you were emo. I just thought you were wierd and psychopathic.

Warxe: Charas would rule with me in charge, other then the fact that people would leave because I've been unruly deemed "irresponsible". Aside from that, at least I'm active.

Weird yeah, psychopath, I've yet to do anything in the psychopathic realm, but that's just me.

MIC: Yush, and no safety guaranteed'd! Yeah, I guess i am psychopath now. Its the internet anywho.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:02:26 AM

MIC: We do more than you realize.

Kijuki: As I said, we're not going to put up with you. Spew anything you want, but the real reason you came back is to stir up trouble, and you know it. So don't feign ignorance.

IHAS: Even if you knew who it was from, would you still pay it any mind?

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 03:03:19 AM

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IHAS: Even if you knew who it was from, would you still pay it any mind?

Yes, actually. I have, when proper evidence and such was shown. If some tells me to "Stop pissing people off", what the hell am I supposed to do? I don't know exactly what it was I did to 'piss people off". If you show me and tell me what pissed people off, I probably will, and have in the past, stop. Every other forum on the net provides reason for warn, why not charas?

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:04:09 AM

Well, maybe some mods will put their names in them. Would that appease you, oh mighty master?

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:04:46 AM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade

Kijuki: As I said, we're not going to put up with you. Spew anything you want, but the real reason you came back is to stir up trouble, and you know it. So don't feign ignorance.

Is that you speaking? Tell you have made a poll in the private section and everyone has voted "TAKE NO **** FROM KIJUKI". If not then don't base this on pure basic feeling my friend. I am not doing anything wrong, I am just saying what everyone is saying.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:05:31 AM

That doesn't make it right, either.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:06:10 AM

Dearest Kij:
I think you somewhat discribe the idea of being crazy, though you might not fully understand it.

You contradict yourself horridly, and odds are you realize it but don't care. However, it becomes difficult for you to prove anything when you're so hypocritical and you can't admit it, hence rather then being a 'voice' for whatever idea you are trying to persaude upon us, you become an annoyance that'd we'd rather not deal with.

Pls wehn u cum on den type lik dis it hard to take u seriouly 8D.

Internet'd, Meiscool.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 03:06:10 AM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Well, maybe some mods will put their names in them. Would that appease you, oh mighty master?

And what, precisely, is that supposed to mean? Excuse the hell out of me for asking to know who deems me unruly.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
That doesn't make it right, either.

It's decided, is not wrong or right, then why are you telling I am doing something wrong, when you acknowledge that is neutral?

I am giving my opinion on this. Even if I went and came back, I am member. Even if I do it again, I am still a member. Let me speak, you think that what I am saying are lone thoughts? I actually speak to people who think like I do you know.

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 03:09:15 AM

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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone?

Let's say someone is being a jerk, and I send a PM to the person telling him to knock it off or whatever. The person reads it, and just thinks  "Pfft, it's just FFL, I don't have to take him seriously!" and continues what he's doing regardless.
If you don't know who the mod is, then you can't just disregard it on account of not liking the particular mod who sent it for whatever reason.

The problem is, the only people I take seriously, don't go here anymore. So, I don't take bonks seriously. It's also sneaky, underhanded, and cowardly.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:10:05 AM

Okay, let's try this:
If we remade the system so that it shows the name of the person who bonked you, would you still have any problems with the concept?


Kijuki: And I am also speaking my opinion: I believe that you are trying to stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble. What right do you have to tell me that I'M wrong when YOU'RE doing the same thing?

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:11:48 AM

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Okay, let's try this:
If we remade the system so that it shows the name of the person who bonked you, would you still have any problems with the concept?

Then it's the same as recieving a PM, just with a quip for a name.

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Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on October 12, 2006, 03:12:02 AM

man... I've read a few post and I wounder...wth could you guys have talked about for FIVE!! pages??

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:15:34 AM

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Then it's the same as recieving a PM, just with a quip for a name.

Yes, but PM's are not always effective. What if your box is full? What if you can't access the main page?

We did debate having it appear in the PM box, but we chose not to because of those two problems. The way it is now, bonks always get to their target, and they don't clutter up the PM box either.


Now, the system is still new, so there's still room for modification. We will probably add a page where you can view bonks, or maybe just a bonk count in the profile. Mods have the option of putting their name in the box, or they could simply just send a PM.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:18:34 AM

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What if you can't access the main page?

You can still acess your profile and PMs at the top. I look about every 3 times I log in.

As to having your PM box full, I believe troubled Sir Kij invented a thread for that, and I check it pretty often because I tend to get flooded with PMs asking about coding and mapping. I'm sure others check it from time to time too.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 03:19:06 AM

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Let me put it this way:

I don't CARE what you guys think about bonks. Alex made the system because we thought it would be a good idea, and unless you can prove DEFINITIVELY that it is a bad idea, we're not going to remove it. Whining and saying "This is gay" is not proof.

Yeah, guess that makes me a fascist. Guess that also makes Lord Raffles right - the mod team's just a bunch of Jew-hating fascists who have no life, so we pick on inferior regular members.

This is like the whole Troll Kingdom thing - the whole thing fell apart because you guys didn't like Saikar's idea. Which is fine - this is the free world - but none of the mod team's ever claimed that Charas is a democracy. You guys get some say in the decisions around here, but it's ultimately up to us to decide on them.

Say what you will, but know that it doesn't matter. And if you don't like that, deal with it. If you want to change it, go ahead and try. Replace Saikar with Meiscool, and we'll see how long Charas lasts.

Kijuki: If you've come here just to be a nuisance, don't even bother. We're not going to put up with any of your shit.

Seriously though...... Is this what you think of the other members?
Jerk. Phucked if Im posting any resources here anymore.


     I believe the flaw in this WAS proven, dear Moderators.


IF YOU HAVE TO RESULT TO THIS KIND OF A TACTIC,
YOU NEED TO EXAMINE WHAT FLAW EXISTS IN YOUR AUTHORITY TO NECESSITATE SUCH A POLICY, BEFORE IMPLEMENTING IT ON OTHER MEMBERS. BY UTILIZING THIS SYSTEM< YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOUR AUTHORITY IS ALREADY IN QUESTION, IF NOT NON-EXISTANT.


Obviously you dont give a phuck about what your members think. You obviously arent even taking our arguments seriously.....

But what the phuck good is a public forum, full of moderators, if all of the contributing members of the forum are belittled.

At least call it a warning system, and have the balls to show your face...If you arent showing your face, it just proves that youre all insecure with your position as a moderator.


How about Electing Mods? Ever give anyone that option? Like the temporary seats on the UN security council.....

You know, To benifit the rest of us, who arent moderators, and would maybe like some say in the forum?

This forum, in case you havent noticed, is based largely on artistic and intellectual properties....(and piracy....), and by doing this you have cheapened the efforts of every member here that has ever submitted a resource of their own....You are telling them that the community they are trying to involve themselfs in, dosent respect their rights, and thinks of them as little children, to be slapped on the bottom...."bonked"

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:20:32 AM

Gem, don't try to become a martyr. If you really dislike how this forum is run, either do something about it or leave - don't just whine about what we do wrong.

EDIT: MIC - Yes, both of those measures have been taken. But just because you do it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone does - for example, if some newbie kicked a bunch of topics, they might not know how the PM system works, nor would they know about the Full Inbox thread. That's what I plan on using the system for - I'd like to think that you guys are mature enough to know when to keep your mouth shut.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:21:30 AM

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Your opinion matters. Warxe is just having a problem with Kij. You understand how it is to be angry at one person and say things that you don't actually mean, correct? Picture that instance happening right now.

They do care about our input... though they don't show it in the best of actions and ways.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 03:23:04 AM

Then add names to it, and make it a fail proof warn! How hard is that to come up with! Put name, reason, examples, and behavior to correct IN A POLITE MANNER BEFITTING OF A MOD, not in a snide or rude manner as I have been given in the past.

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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on October 12, 2006, 03:23:57 AM

 

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How about Electing Mods? Ever give anyone that option?

Actually, that has happened before. Many of the mods who were modded that way were de-modded later because they did a crappy job. It was more like a popularity contest. "I like so-and-so, make him a mod!"

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:24:23 AM

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Dearest Kij:
I think you somewhat discribe the idea of being crazy, though you might not fully understand it.

You contradict yourself horridly, and odds are you realize it but don't care. However, it becomes difficult for you to prove anything when you're so hypocritical and you can't admit it, hence rather then being a 'voice' for whatever idea you are trying to persaude upon us, you become an annoyance that'd we'd rather not deal with.

Pls wehn u cum on den type lik dis it hard to take u seriouly 8D.

Internet'd, Meiscool.

I do understand it. It's simple. You do something a mod believes its bad, bonk. Hypocritical I don't know, no one has ever shown me compare and comparison of my "hypocritical words". Little less you will.

I admit I get too much into things, so much that I try to be one only speaking.

And excuse me, but this tool was to terminate annoyances while I was not here.

You can understand what I say. It is but what you need to get my point, if you do.

"Kijuki: And I am also speaking my opinion: I believe that you are trying to stir up trouble for the sake of stirring up trouble. What right do you have to tell me that I'M wrong when YOU'RE doing the same thing?"

The same right you have. Except that I made you say what i was saying was neutral, but now you are implying i am wrong again.

If I wanted to stir up trouble, I would already have made a thread, I plan to take leave as soon as I see this take ongoing form

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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze Seriously, WHY should a mod have to HIDE their identity when they're pointing out the rules to someone? Let's say someone is being a jerk, and I send a PM to the person telling him to knock it off or whatever. The person reads it, and just thinks  "Pfft, it's just FFL, I don't have to take him seriously!" and continues what he's doing regardless. If you don't know who the mod is, then you can't just disregard it on account of not liking the particular mod who sent it for whatever reason.

The problem is, the only people I take seriously, don't go here anymore. So, I don't take bonks seriously. It's also sneaky, underhanded, and cowardly.

Agreed. Specially when you want "bonk bonk bonk" to be taken seriously.

"Then add names to it, and make it a fail proof warn! How hard is that to come up with! Put name, reason, examples, and behavior to correct IN A POLITE MANNER BEFITTING OF A MOD, not in a snide or rude manner as I have been given in the past."

^ Mod material

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 03:29:27 AM

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Gem, don't try to become a martyr. If you really dislike how this forum is run, either do something about it or leave - don't just whine about what we do wrong.

I would do something about it, but obviously I dont have any say.

you "Dont care"

Im not trying to become a martyr.....

Im TRYING to do something about it, but obviously you have no intrest in hearing what I have to say......

I dont know if you noticed, but Im online most of the time......
Ive got alot of down time right now.......For the next few months.....
Make me a Mod then.......And I can do something about it......

Since youve Illustrated that my opinions have no value, as a common member of the forums, I have no resort but to complain, and hope maybee one of you takes an OBJECTIVE look at what Im saying.

I dont like having my beliefs, and integrity belittled for the sake of upholding a public image of authority....

Why dont you, instead of being an ***hole, try to ask the more active members how they would handle your diminishing authority?
Try listening to the oh so valid points that are being brought up between the "this is ghey" and   "bonk...lolomfg" try not being an authoritarian jerk.

Seriously.


"I dont care what you guys think"


Thats no way to treat any of us, simply for voicing our opinion on a newly instated, nil discussed policy.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:31:10 AM

Well, for one you've said: "I don't care" quite a few times in past arguements, and now you claim that you're passionate about your debates... so that's one hypocritical thing I can think up on an instant.

Warxe: Didn't think about newbies and the PMing system. That's actually a good idea. I'm now for this bonk system... so long as we change the name to something that would be taken a bit more seriously... such as DIRE THREAT or INTENSIVE WARNING SYSTEM :p

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:31:15 AM

Kijuki, I don't deny that you have your own cause, nor that that cause is wrong. You have every right to speak your mind - however, when you do that, you need to accept the consequences of your words. Some people will disagree with you - that's a fact of life, and you can't really do anything about it. Just as you are entitled to your own opinion, so am I, so is Gem, so is Meiscool, etc. etc. None of us are right or wrong, but we simply disagree with each other - it's life.

But back on topic. You guys are generally right - the system was not thought out properly before being implemented. However, we can always change that, and while we won't get rid of it, we will change it to be more... acceptable to you guys.

EDIT: I apologize to Kijuki, Gem and Meiscool for being rude. I was flaming you guys, and that is not a good example for me to set, so please accept my apology.
That being said, let's try to get past it, and decide how we should modify the system. If anyone has any suggestions, let's post them here.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:31:36 AM

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"I dont care what you guys think"


Thats no way to treat any of us, simply for voicing our opinion on a newly instated, nil discussed policy.

lol bonk.

I feel what you say. Because I agree.

"Kijuki, I don't deny that you have your own cause, nor that that cause is wrong. You have every right to speak your mind - however, when you do that, you need to accept the consequences of your words. Some people will disagree with you - that's a fact of life, and you can't really do anything about it. Just as you are entitled to your own opinion, so am I, so is Gem, so is Meiscool, etc. etc. None of us are right or wrong, but we simply disagree with each other - it's life.
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When have I deny that? o.O and more over if you know this, why not start with this?

People do agree and people disagree, but you know that this isn't just a normal topic. This topic was made for ither of two reasons: to let everyone know , and/or to let people say what they think of it.

Hey if people agree with it, hooray for them. Almei thinks it will be good. Go almei! He's a good guy. I have always respected opinion but not opinions that get too personal like " we have decided to not take any crap from you".

And you know, I am just watching, and saying back to what people tell me. I ahve no problem with that. I have had debates the last days in other places, in this same "psychopathic" manner and we do get out of hand but we laugh at it. Don't paranoic, I came to say what people had in their minds and support that. I did throw some stuff i said back then, but stuff that has to do with what people are thinking.

If you feel offended, it isnt because I am trying to overthrow something. Heck, tell me right now if I am the only one saying this system sucks. Which is my general opinion.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 12, 2006, 03:32:08 AM

This topic is rearing for trouble and a lock.  :hi:  :lock:

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 03:34:21 AM

Okay....posting the name of the mod is a step......


Now, you need to figure out how to extrude your authority without being so absolutist......


Electing Mods.......If the first prototype of this idea didnt work, then perhaps, the Mods should try nominating the temporary Mods, and holding the vote accordingly......

Eligibility could be based on Bonks(or lack thereof) posts per day.... etc......


Im sorry if I went off, but I really dont respond well to authoritarianism

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 03:37:19 AM

I still wanna be request forum moderator. I highly dislike people STILL posting the "No requests with one post" 'rule' even though it's non-exsistant.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 03:39:48 AM

See, this is why I love charas. One or two pages of violent yelling and such, then we all seem to have a giant love fest. Its like a real family XD

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:40:12 AM

If we were to do public elections again, rest assured that they would be better maintained than the fiasco(es) with Trevlac and/or Red Giant.

And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though.

IHAS: XD
Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.


So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:41:22 AM

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See, this is why I love charas. One or two pages of violent yelling and such, then we all seem to have a giant love fest. Its like a real family XD

it's the way it SHOULD be. Like haha, look at how stupid i looked for saying noobs.


"anything else?"

Yes, I am not raffles. Please tell people to like stop stalking me. As if I had that much time.

And if you can... make the bonk into a pm too. like bonk sent, a pm will also be sent for the record of the user. Sorta like a pink slip.

Sure they can delete it, but i know some people that would keep them.

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:52:27 AM

Like I said, we will add some sort of a bonk count to the forum somewhere. That's a definate yes.
And, for the record, I don't think I compared you to Raffles, Kij. I compared myself to him, perhaps, but I respect you a great deal more than him.

Gem: We did debate having a prestige status of some sort added to Charas, but we decided against it because we felt that it would just discriminate against the newer members, especially if it didn't have any sort of special feature - it would be basically saying "These members are better than you".
And also, I actually don't disagree with some of the stuff you're saying. I think you would make a fine mod, but not necessarily here or now.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 03:53:23 AM

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And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though.

IHAS: XD
Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.

-I should be mod XD
-An inbred is right, who has sandwiches, skeletons, peoples, kirbies, and stick figures? What the hell is that?

But I hope you guys will read what I said about the wya you warn. I'm kind of tired of the broad non-descriptive method that is used. I got bonked, it didn't say what for. I know what it was for, but imagine I had left, and been unable to access for a few days, and it said I was bonked, and had the possibility of being banned. I wouldn't know or remember what for. I wouldn't even know who to ask about it.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 03:58:49 AM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though. IHAS: XD Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.

-I should be mod XD
-An inbred is right, who has sandwiches, skeletons, peoples, kirbies, and stick figures? What the hell is that?

But I hope you guys will read what I said about the wya you warn. I'm kind of tired of the broad non-descriptive method that is used. I got bonked, it didn't say what for. I know what it was for, but imagine I had left, and been unable to access for a few days, and it said I was bonked, and had the possibility of being banned. I wouldn't know or remember what for. I wouldn't even know who to ask about it.

If red, and trevlac were mods, then well. <.< sure you are better at this point i guess.

But i dont see you as a current rather... when.. stuff clears in your way. Like me, or something

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Post by: Ace of Spades on October 12, 2006, 04:00:54 AM

Just for the record, we don't need anymore mods. <_< And I agree that it shouldn't be called bonk, more like a warning system instead. And of course, a little warning bar should be put in the member's profile like other forums do. And public mod elections just don't work out, as said before, they soley become popularity contests.

And Black Massacre, shut up you mini mod. :p

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Post by: Osmose on October 12, 2006, 04:44:15 AM

Jeez. This calls for a gigantic post of explanations that only those who really want the long-blown-out answers will read.

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On why there are Bonks: I will take responsibility for how I posted about them - I'm sure my wording could've been a lot more descriptive, but there's not much I can do about that.

I proposed the idea for the bonk system - it sat there for a few weeks, and every mod who posted agreed it was a nifty idea, and Alex agreed - hence it was executed. There was no deep discussion on the flaws of Charas and how we can solve them - it was more or less born from minor annoyances that we couldn't really punish ourselves - for example, say I, a lowly Community Contest Mod (One who did a horrible job but is still hopeful that maybe someday the CC will work on his established system - but that's another rant), could see some borderline flaming and bonk a user, even if it was in another board.

The gimmick behind the whole thing was that it would be anonymouse - like FFL said, personal opinions of mods may, and many times do, get in the way of things like this (I hate Carmen. Carmen does something stupid. I rant and rave and carry on because I think Carmen sucks. [She did suck, for the record.]) The idea was that, if the message was generically from the mod team, it would be harder for the person to ignore it, as it could be from any of them. Even Sai or Alex.

We had no desire to hide from incrimination or anything. In retrospect, the bonkings earlier were a bad messup, but the idea did and I believe still does have merit if you look at it as a tap on the shoulder of sorts. I, and I believe most of the other mods, picture bonks as a simple way to get the message out more effectively, not a super punishment tool of any kind.

If you have a suggestion to improve it that isn't something along the lines of "IT SUCKS ZOMG," say it and someone will hopefully read it and think about it.
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On why they're called bonks: Most of the mods appreciate light humor like the word bonk. *shrug* I don't think it would've gone over well (okay, so it didn't either way) if we called it getting Whipped.
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On the Problems with Charas: Like I said, the mods haven't really sat down recently to have a huge discussion on what's wrong with Charas and how it can be fixed - most of us have been here long enough to know what we all think about it. We have a decent idea of how things work and try to make them better, and if they don't work, we can try again. I hope at least the people of Charas can give us room to make a few mistakes - the internet isn't going to fall apart over a single bad decision.

I do believe there is a mindset in Charas that leads to a lot of the conflict that goes on, but when I DID try to change it, I was inadvertently practicing it myself. And, as much as I love being hypocritical, it wasn't getting me anywhere. There's better ways than shouting until your throat is hoarse.
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On Kijuki: I'd LOVE to be insulting here. Personally, I don't like him(you? I dunno if I should talk directly to you or not.), and I've been a dick to him before, sometimes when it was uncalled for. And it does add a bit of a bias onto what I say, but I can't help it. A few times I've seen him having a debate or argument with another mod and not been able to really see what he was arguing about. I'm sure he has a great opinion, but the way he states it is wrong.

There's certainly reasons behind what he does, as he does have a functioning brain, but I just think he should look past those and present what he thinks in a clear, concise way, directly to the moderator team, either in the form of a PM or to be passed onto the private forums - not to hide his views so much as to not fill Charas up with everyone else's opinion on what he has to say - his problems lie with the mods, and I believe we should be able to discuss with ourselves and with him what they are and whether they should be honored or not.
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On Mod Elections: Oh, those were fun. Terrible and badly executed, but fun. They were popularity contests, not contests of skill. Much like real political elections (At least in America), popularity has outgrown skill and policy. Do not fret, though - when a position is open and should be filled, it is usually the ones people think should be in there that are considered - we aren't just sitting in a smokey office pulling in random people, we're a part of the community too, and try to have a general idea of who's likeable, who might have the skill, and who might be fit to be a mod. Certainly, if a position is open, suggestions are welcome, but as of now, I don't think mod elections are a really good idea.
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On Charas Facism: You want facist? See the rest of the internet. Charas is anarchy compared to most normal forums. The only people to have ever been permabanned so far have all done so by either spamming, breaking the forum, or being an extreme troll. Any other forum already has temp-ban features built in, not to mention far great usage of bans and IP bans, as well as other forms of punishment, including limiting the number of posts and topics you can make or restricting your access to certain parts of the site.

Alex is very kind to pay for the webspace Charas uses, but as such it is his property. We post here by his grace and good will. We are required to follow his rules, and he appointed people like Sai because he trusted them and gave them the authority to make and enforce these rules.

Complaining about an unfair rule is one thing - we allow and attempt to (and many times fail) to encourage sensible input. Course, sometimes this doesn't work and a user might get angry or offended and start making a big deal out of things - I've done it SEVERAL times before, and probably will make the same mistake again. But you've got to realize that accusing Charas mods of being control freaks is not only uncalled for, but it's really inappropriate - we're all guests here, and going crazy go nuts it's like a little kid crying in the candy shop - we're so lucky to have the generators and these forums, and we return the favor by acting unsensibly.
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I've gone soft being a mod. Bleh.  ::)

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 05:05:26 AM

I actually read that whole thing. I never read your long winded posts. But I think its a good idea of a sort of 'tap on the shoulder' thing, let someone know they went to far, but I think threatening with a 3-day bonk still needs to be different.

Maybe if someone started to go a bit too far they could get a little 'tap' bonk, lettin em know to maybe back up a lil, and would include a link to the thread so they could understand exactly what post prompted the bonk. I say this because threatening a ban for posting pretty much harmless posts is a bit much.

However, if they said something like "You mother f***ers think you stopped me? You dumb **** sucking ***holes can't do **** to me. **** f***ers." they would get a more severe ban threatening bonk, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MOD/ADMIN NAME. That way warning wouldn't rely on PMing.

That may all be a bit scrambled, I'm kinda tired right now. But I hope its clear enough to get the jist of it.

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Post by: Drace on October 12, 2006, 05:30:17 AM

Ain't I allowed to sleep without something happening? Damn you guys, every single time.

And "getting bonked" sounds so good when Mid sends one.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 05:53:12 AM

I agree with sandwhich.

It isnt as much that this system is going to do [much] wrong. This system is for the better, i think thats all in hand. But i think the aninomosity thing could've been better, as well as the name. The reason you are warning is not because someone is making something funny, but because it's they are doing something wrong, and a warning comes to play. Bonk makes me think of a rubber hammer from animaniacs, please, it's, um, not cool lol. Neither is whipping. Warning sounds more profitable and more efficient.

Problems with charas people know about that.

People hating me, we know that too.

Mod elections, didn't work.

Facism? Nah don't know about fascism. ANd I dont know what you are talking about other forums, this one has seem tighter than others. But ok, i am not gonna  argue that point, since it only seems to spark the thought that I am trying to become an evil overlord.

It all sounded like some political talk (fixed to appease the mind), but at least the misleadings are recognized.

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Post by: Shady Ultima on October 12, 2006, 06:18:10 AM

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So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

How about... for bonks directed towards senior members, such as IHAS, MIC, myself, etc (sorry to everyone I left out), the mod must leave their name. For a new member, it is not quite as important seeing as new members don't know the mods as well?

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Then add names to it, and make it a fail proof warn! How hard is that to come up with! Put name, reason, examples, and behavior to correct IN A POLITE MANNER BEFITTING OF A MOD, not in a snide or rude manner

I agree with this completely

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Post by: Razor on October 12, 2006, 11:33:59 AM

God damn you people.
Just because I get up one day, go into the city in the morning, then spend the night at a friends house, have a busy day, and don't come back to Charas til night, does not mean you can make a 7 page thread filled with fire and burning.
Jesus.

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 01:06:09 PM

I'm glad everyone has their problems sorted out.. kind of.
I wish this hadn't turned into one of those conversations where everyone starts begging to be a mod. Those really get me down. Because, when I ask for mod, I just look like a big noob too.

Razor: nou

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Post by: SaiKar on October 12, 2006, 02:42:20 PM

For frick's sake...

Look, no matter how much you hassled Warxe into saying the contrary, the bonk system is fine as is. Aside from tossing a few around to show people how it works, the only people getting bonked are the ones that are seriously out of line. It's basically a "hey, knock it off, or you're going to get banned for a time" thing. A last warning that is hard to ignore. People can take them as seriously as they want, but not taking them seriously and continuing to do something stupid might make posting difficult for a few days.

No mod has to leave their name. I might put a "Hey, this is Sai, the admin, the person that can ban you, so listen up" kinda warning in ones for people that are WAY over the line. Other mods can sign theirs if they want to. But no one HAS to and we won't be remaking the system so that names are included by default. Osmose may be the mod of a smaller forum, but he's also part of the staff, knows the rules, and has a good eye for spotting small problems that can quickly turn big. Not many of you have understood that mods of a diferent forum are still allowe to enforce rules in this one, and I won't have anyone saying "Pfffb, he's just a lesser mod, don't care" to any person of my staff.

Don't like the system? That's tough. Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time. You all know when you're doing something dumb, but you do it anyway, and then complain when you get caught. Please. I don't like giving out threats and bans, but rules unfortunatelly need penalties when they're ignored. Honestly I think we've been VERY soft on this forum. People babble about other forums? On other forums people get BANNED. A LOT. For usually very poor reasons. I don't want to do that here so don't push me into needing to.


About elections, we've had them. I love them since for about two weeks everyone is in high spirits, campaigning and making propaganda images and snide remarks at the competition. Unfortunately when the votes come in the people that win usually aren't good mods. It's easy to say "if I was a mod I'd do this!" but staring down all of your friends and telling them to stop being jerks takes a spine that not everyone has, especially when the novelty of the job wear off and you have to check in on the forum on days you weren't really in the mood for it.

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Post by: Cosmos on October 12, 2006, 02:59:31 PM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
Dearest Kij:
I think you somewhat discribe the idea of being crazy, though you might not fully understand it.

You contradict yourself horridly, and odds are you realize it but don't care. However, it becomes difficult for you to prove anything when you're so hypocritical and you can't admit it, hence rather then being a 'voice' for whatever idea you are trying to persaude upon us, you become an annoyance that'd we'd rather not deal with.

Pls wehn u cum on den type lik dis it hard to take u seriouly 8D.

Internet'd, Meiscool.

I'm sorry.. but I couldnt resist.. lawl love the post.

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Originally posted by Drace
Ain't I allowed to sleep without something happening? Damn you guys, every single time.

And "getting bonked" sounds so good when Mid sends one.

Aww so sweet  :happy:

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Originally posted by Shady Ultima

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

How about... for bonks directed towards senior members, such as IHAS, MIC, myself, etc (sorry to everyone I left out), the mod must leave their name. For a new member, it is not quite as important seeing as new members don't know the mods as well?

Um no, I totally disagree with that. Doesn't matter if you're a Newb, Senior, Mod, or admin..a member is a member and they all deserve to be treated the same. To suggest that new ppl are lesser then any other member is stupid (no offense). Without new ppl there would be no forum. I personally have no issue with giving my name out, *shrugs* but if I ever do see a problem I'll post it in the thread or whine to the admin guy.

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God damn you people.
Just because I get up one day, go into the city in the morning, then spend the night at a friends house, have a busy day, and don't come back to Charas til night, does not mean you can make a 7 page thread filled with fire and burning.
Jesus.

lawl, XD Dude, I was like WTF!?!?!?! O.o and I had no idea what was going on until I read pureblood's pm.

For now, why don't the mods just step back and allow everyone else to discuss this amongst themselves. No point in getting into anymore heated arguements over a few words. Kay? :corn:

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on October 12, 2006, 03:19:36 PM

*Reads posts*

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Charas, you ca-wazy!

 

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Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time.

That's totally unfair Sai'kar. You don't seem to take any notice of the members that don't cause trouble anymore- Sammich and MIC aren't the only charas left ;)

I still hold quite a bit of respect for you, Warxe, and FFL, and anything Razor says is like gold dust. VALUABLE GOLD

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Post by: WarxePB on October 12, 2006, 03:43:38 PM

Woot, I'm respected by the crazy moose with a bottomless pit for a stomach. :D

And I still hold to my ugly inbred family statement.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 03:51:29 PM

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Originally posted by SaiKar
For frick's sake...



No mod has to leave their name. I might put a "Hey, this is Sai, the admin, the person that can ban you, so listen up"

Don't like the system? That's tough. Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time.

Again, the anonymity is self defeating dude.



If there is a problem with a Moderators "aurthority" over the Charas members, then they arent really doing an effective job of moderating.
If the mod has to remain anonymous, it simply proves that the mod isnt holding any authority aside from the "Ill tell on you kind".

Seriously......

I know Im being redundant here, but its a matter of respect.

to say i "dont have respect" for the moderators is a crock. I have much respect....which dimisishes when my respect is not reciprocated.

How do you expect the Mods to be respected when they are disrespecting members by not showing their faces when "bonked?"

Its like saying......"Hey, Listen to me! Im not going to tell you who I am, but youd better listen to what I say!"

Besides, aside from perhaps a rude noob....think of the peole that are possible candidates for being "bonked"

If a thread is heated, and the member has a feeling hes going to get bonked, hes gonna open a new window, to the member activity page. And right there, its gonna tell that member who is reading the post.....

Correct me if Im wrong, but the folks most at risk for being bonked, are going to be the more outspoken, familiar members of the forum....the ones who know where to look.

Also, in support of this argument, I will reiterate a point IHAS made earlier......


What if youre offline for a few days.....and come back to find youve been bonked.....And have no Idea what for.......

Thats like rubbing a dogs nose in poop thats already a week old...the dog simply thinks "Man....why is my master rubbing my nose in this old poop? I dont know where it came from..."


Seriously though....

I know I for one, would appreciate Knowing the name of the Mod/admin that bonked me. Not as a means to fly off of the handle, but because if it were a sensitive subject, id like to discuss why it pissed the mod off, and why I said the statement.But what if its a touchy subject.....

A scenario if you will:
What if, In a New topic,under All of all,Lets say... I make reference to my huge Balls... Lets say, you bonk me......Id like to know your name, so as to explain about my Cancer treatments, and that the statement was not out of line....but in fact a slightly humorous reference to a serious sensitive matter.....And then discuss with the Moderator the ramifications of the Bonk, and My post/topic so as to avoid further turbulence.



If Im spamming, Then bonk anonymously.....Spamming is stupid anyhow.


As a matter of professionality, and respect, the Name of the Authority should be given. The Mods arent going to be respected any more  for hiding their Identity....And honestly, I cant see them being respected any less for addressing a problem face to face with a member.

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Post by: SaiKar on October 12, 2006, 04:07:31 PM

I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 04:19:20 PM

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Originally posted by SaiKar
I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats a ridiculous rebuttal to my statment.

If a Cop gives me a ticket, and fails to provide His name on the ticket, the ticket is no good.

In fact, not only does the cop give his name, but He gives his serial number as well. He does this because thats What hes gotta do for that ticket to have ANY CREDIBILITY.

Ive actually gotten off of a charge because the Officer failed to identify himself properly on a ticket. He Didnt give his Badge number, and it was thrown out. I saved myself a big ticket.....and why?
Why was his authority no good?Because he didnt provide proper information.

So yeah dude, if a cop does pull me over and hand me a ticket....and dosent tell me his name in some way.....it does change it.

The same goes with any charge......If the arresting officer dosent provide information properly, than the charge is dropped.

I have idiot friends who sell drugs, that have gotten off of RIDICULOUSLY HUGE charges because of this too. The Authority gets gunhappy....



Seriously dude. Professional Courtesy.

I think if its a matter pertaining to anything Aside from petty spamming, the name should be given.....

I dont even understand why you would dispute this, aside from trying to impose the authority, despite having a reasonable flaw in the system ppointed out, meerly for the sake of not wanting to admit you are supporting a slightly flawed idea.

Why dont you listen, man? Im not trying to Undermine you. Im trying to point out a flaw that is undermining your ability to conduct your duties in a professional manner.

Im trying to help dude. Would it kill you to actually consider what Im saying? No disrespect intended.

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 12, 2006, 06:52:23 PM

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Originally posted by Ace of Spades
And Black Massacre, shut up you mini mod. :p

I totally should be a mini mod, mod, gm, mini admin, or admin.

I mean want wouldn't want me as one of those?

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 12, 2006, 07:12:33 PM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood

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Originally posted by SaiKar I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road? A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats a ridiculous rebuttal to my statment.

If a Cop gives me a ticket, and fails to provide His name on the ticket, the ticket is no good.

In fact, not only does the cop give his name, but He gives his serial number as well. He does this because thats What hes gotta do for that ticket to have ANY CREDIBILITY.

Ive actually gotten off of a charge because the Officer failed to identify himself properly on a ticket. He Didnt give his Badge number, and it was thrown out. I saved myself a big ticket.....and why?
Why was his authority no good?Because he didnt provide proper information.

So yeah dude, if a cop does pull me over and hand me a ticket....and dosent tell me his name in some way.....it does change it.

The same goes with any charge......If the arresting officer dosent provide information properly, than the charge is dropped.

I have idiot friends who sell drugs, that have gotten off of RIDICULOUSLY HUGE charges because of this too. The Authority gets gunhappy....



Seriously dude. Professional Courtesy.

I think if its a matter pertaining to anything Aside from petty spamming, the name should be given.....

I dont even understand why you would dispute this, aside from trying to infringe the authority, despite having a reasonable flaw in the system ppointed out, meerly for the sake of not wanting to admit you are supporting a slightly flawed idea.

Why dont you listen, man? Im not trying to Undermine you. Im trying to point out a flaw that is undermining your ability to conduct your duties in a professional manner.

Im trying to help dude. Would it kill you to actually consider what Im saying? No disrespect intended.

Sure and I am supposed to be the one with the same crazy ideals.

Gem, I see your point through and through, but they won't do anything. Sai has given the last piece of info that reinstates what warxe said at the beggining. No matter what you say, you wont be heard.

If you continue you are gonna get bonked until you are banned *spamlas* . So i suggest leaving them alone, or continue; ..really at least that's as far as your rights go. (nice comics btw, if you have msn or trillian add me, my email is in my profile)

Well nice to see this little season come to its first episode's closing, I will now go surf the internet and be away for another time to come from the oppresive feelings I get from about here.

The system's idea would've been good, if they would listen to just at least the anonymous thing.

But this is their own little world now. :violin:

:firefox:

*poofs*

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Post by: Jaide on October 12, 2006, 07:24:45 PM

Wow.  Um, why is this even being debated?  The bonk system is to be used when someone steps out of line.  If you don't step out of line, then this system doesn't even pertain to you.  So why make a big fuss over it unless you're intending to step out of line in the first place?

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on October 12, 2006, 09:13:01 PM

Finally I've read through this entire thread. 7 Pages...

When you step outta line, you usually don't know it yourself because it depends on a persons feelings.

I could make a blatently racist comment and not even know it because I've never known anyone hurt by it.

I could get bonked, and not really know what I did wrong.

At the same time, like plight (I think it was him) said earlier, someone could post something offensive or hurtfull to a member or a guest and the moderators might not take it seriously.

I remember calling Brandon Abley an ***hole for no particular reason. He's the guy who did the music for "Grave Spirit." He's mad at me. I sent him an apology. Did I get a PM or a notice or anything on the subject, no. Why? Because nobody knew about it.

I still like the idea of the Moderator putting his or her name on the warning. It just doesn't seem right without it.

This is gonna be a stupid question. Is there a constitution out there that says exactly what a Moderator can and cannot do?

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Post by: drenrin2120 on October 12, 2006, 09:34:36 PM

Who cares about credibility. A cop has to tell you his name and serial number to verify the claim because in the world the police officer works in there could easily be a fake or counterfeit. This is charas, only a mod can send you a bonk. That alone verifies it. Unless someone hacks charas, don't worry.

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Post by: Revolution911 on October 12, 2006, 09:36:13 PM

You're all a bunch of whiny little bitches. Who cares. Has EVERYONE on this forum turned into a 2 year old crybaby? Stop acting like this is a country or something, its an online FORUM. If you get bonked oh well, shape up and shutup.

And by the way, you suck as a revolutionist Kijuki.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 10:34:45 PM

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Originally posted by SaiKar
I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats not the point. Lets say that a mod says "Bonk for blah blah blah". You may think "When did I do that?" adn would like to know where you did so maybe you can know what you did, but guess what? You dont know who sent it to you, so you dont know who to ask. How can you be expected to not do something when you aren't even sure where/what you did?

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Post by: Jaide on October 12, 2006, 10:39:16 PM

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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
When you step outta line, you usually don't know it yourself because it depends on a persons feelings.

I could make a blatently racist comment and not even know it because I've never known anyone hurt by it.

I could get bonked, and not really know what I did wrong.

I didn't think about it that way, and you're right on this.  It can be circumstantial.  I do still believe though that this thread has gotten way out of hand for no real reason.

I agree with Drenrin and Revolution.  People need to keep in mind that this is not a country, it is a forum.  Simmer down.  ;P

Let the mods/admins do what they think is necessary, and after sufficient time has passed and you still think the system sucks, complain about it then.  Let things actually get a fair chance to be tried out before you knock them.

But even despite what you do or do not like at the moment, the mods and admins get to make the decision of what goes and what doesn't.  I highly doubt there's some sort of mod constitution, because, once again, this isn't some tiny eastern European country, it's an online forum.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 12, 2006, 10:43:51 PM

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Sammich and MIC aren't the only charas left ;)

We're the most popular though.

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Post by: Jaide on October 12, 2006, 10:46:04 PM

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11 Sammich and MIC aren't the only charas left ;)

We're the most popular though.

I think you're just the most well-known because you both always have something to say about everything.   :D

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 10:50:14 PM

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Originally posted by Meiscool quote: Originally posted by Moosetroop11 Sammich and MIC aren't the only charas left ;) We're the most popular though.

I think you're just the most well-known because you both always have something to say about everything.   :D

Fast learner.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 12, 2006, 10:53:17 PM

This thread has lost any tangible semblance to reason.

Obviouslly, Sai doesnt give a crap....
Some of the other mods have been discussing this with me in private, and the others seemed at least willing to listen and consider what was being said....

I havent been bonked, nor do I plan on it....but its good to know what kind of resolve is reached here....when people genuinely voice concerns, that are legitamate, only to have them disregarded because the all powerfull Administrator has deemed our opinions as generally bunk...

I was never mad because of the potential of getting bonked. I was mad because my concerns over the issue has been tossed aside and laughed at...

Youre all right.....its not a middle eastern country.....The middle eastern countries at least pick one extreme and stick with it.

screw this mess....Im over it.....Im going to go eat a sammich.

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Post by: Razor on October 12, 2006, 10:58:02 PM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
I havent been bonked

Well of course not. If we bonked you for trying to make a reasonable point, we'd be the satan-worshipping animal-sacrificing neo-nazis Kijuki has made the mods out to be. Yes, slight over-exagguration.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 12, 2006, 11:01:37 PM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
screw this mess....Im over it.....Im going to go eat a sammich.

****...

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Post by: Darkfox on October 12, 2006, 11:18:18 PM

 

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Well of course not. If we bonked you for trying to make a reasonable point, we'd be the satan-worshipping animal-sacrificing neo-nazis Kijuki has made the mods out to be. Yes, slight over-exagguration.

Yyyyyeah... we should tell you to work on those run-ons.

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on October 12, 2006, 11:20:46 PM

I don't think I'll get bonked. I'm too much of a wussy nice guy for that, at least online. So I shouldn't worry about it.

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Post by: Razor on October 12, 2006, 11:23:53 PM

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Well of course not. If we bonked you for trying to make a reasonable point, we'd be the satan-worshipping animal-sacrificing neo-nazis Kijuki has made the mods out to be. Yes, slight over-exagguration.

Yyyyyeah... we should tell you to work on those run-ons.

I was making a point, and that point was made.

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Post by: Darkfox on October 12, 2006, 11:33:59 PM

Oh that was the point. O_o Well anyways if I am to use it, I'd try to be darn well sure it was for good reasons.

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Post by: MrMister on October 12, 2006, 11:41:41 PM

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD
EVERYTHING
edix: suht up~~~~~!
skydogbaby~~~
tild

Sai put it well earlier, you'll only get bonked if you're really ****ing up. So, if you get a bonk saying 'knock it off, douche', you'll know what you did.

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Post by: Revolution911 on October 13, 2006, 12:31:24 AM

You're all pre-pubescent little girls. PRE-PUBESCENT LITTLE GIRLS. :s  :s

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 13, 2006, 12:47:49 AM

I want to post... I really do.... but I can't seem to find a topic to post on/about.

It's not very often I say this.... but this has absolutly nothing of value to speak about any longer.

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Post by: MrMister on October 13, 2006, 01:04:20 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
I want to post... I really do.... but I can't seem to find a topic to post on/about.

It's not very often I say this.... but this has absolutly nothing of value to speak about any longer.

Go back to page 3.

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Post by: SaiKar on October 13, 2006, 01:22:53 AM

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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
Obviouslly, Sai doesnt give a crap....

I give a crap. It doesn't change the fact that I still think you're wrong.

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Sandwich
Thats not the point. Lets say that a mod says "Bonk for blah blah blah". You may think "When did I do that?" adn would like to know where you did so maybe you can know what you did, but guess what? You dont know who sent it to you, so you dont know who to ask. How can you be expected to not do something when you aren't even sure where/what you did?

I assume you haven't gotten a bonk yet? It includes a subject and a message. A good bonk would be something like "You posted links to illegal material in (this thread). That's against Charas rules, which you can see (here). Don't do it again." There's nothing really confusing there, no questions that need to be answered.

If for some reason you still have questions, just ask the mod of the board where you're being accused of something, or a global mod like me or Razor. Even if we didn't send you the bonk we all know the rules and should be able to clear anything up.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 13, 2006, 01:47:20 AM

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I assume you haven't gotten a bonk yet? It includes a subject and a message. A good bonk would be something like "You posted links to illegal material in (this thread). That's against Charas rules, which you can see (here). Don't do it again." There's nothing really confusing there, no questions that need to be answered.

If for some reason you still have questions, just ask the mod of the board where you're being accused of something, or a global mod like me or Razor. Even if we didn't send you the bonk we all know the rules and should be able to clear anything up.[/B]

Remember what happens when we assume Sai. I have gotten a bump. Know what it contained? A very general "Don't do that" type message and a threat of a 3 day ban. It was exactly like every PM warning that I've recieved.

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Post by: MrMister on October 13, 2006, 02:03:26 AM

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I assume you haven't gotten a bonk yet? It includes a subject and a message. A good bonk would be something like "You posted links to illegal material in (this thread). That's against Charas rules, which you can see (here). Don't do it again." There's nothing really confusing there, no questions that need to be answered. If for some reason you still have questions, just ask the mod of the board where you're being accused of something, or a global mod like me or Razor. Even if we didn't send you the bonk we all know the rules and should be able to clear anything up.

Remember what happens when we assume Sai. I have gotten a bump. Know what it contained? A very general "Don't do that" type message and a threat of a 3 day ban. It was exactly like every PM warning that I've recieved.[/B]

Mine was 'Here's your bonk, you get three day ban soon fag'

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Post by: charaman on October 13, 2006, 02:07:33 AM

can you bonk me? I'm so very interested.

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Post by: MrMister on October 13, 2006, 02:14:56 AM

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can you bonk me? I'm so very interested.

Do something bonkworthy, lazy-bones.
Also, it wouldn't be a legitamate bonk. Everyone needs to be quiet and respect whoever made this decision's decision.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 13, 2006, 03:54:05 AM

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Originally posted by charaman can you bonk me? I'm so very interested.

Do something bonkworthy, lazy-bones.
Also, it wouldn't be a legitamate bonk. Everyone needs to be quiet and respect whoever made this decision's decision.

I agree.. Fully.... Comply....or else.........

or else what you ask?

A mod will cuss you out in a PM.

Point taken.....

Try not to cuss me out when theres nobody else around to hear it.

It makes you look like youre lacking balls.


Edit: Sorry dear, but PMs are private messages, not public :p If there is any problems with the way a mod speaks send it to one of the admins, Saikar or Razor.

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Post by: Razor on October 13, 2006, 06:00:02 AM

PMs are left in PMs to keep that **** off of the board.

Also, he wasn't cussing you out. He didn't SAY you were a pampered ***, but by following such actions you would be at risk of appearing in such a way in the eyes of others.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on October 13, 2006, 03:19:46 PM

ppl need to stop bitching about this. This is an alternative method to PMing. It'll take some consideration on the mod bonking someone to make sure they're clear on what the person did wrong so there'll be no confusion and some common sense on the bonkees part to not be a douche and understand what they did. It's not hard people, so stop moaning and groaning and accusing people of shit and give this system some time to fucking growing before you kill it and attack it like it's the goddamn plague.

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Post by: Drace on October 13, 2006, 03:34:16 PM

Bonk someone for flaming in this thread.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on October 13, 2006, 04:53:10 PM

So when does the bonk appear, is it when you access the main page? If so I'll never know if I'm bonked or not :(

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Post by: Fortet on October 13, 2006, 04:58:50 PM

Oh God. . .
Honestly, you people want to get in trouble?
Getting bonked doesn't earn anything.
Geez. >_>

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on October 13, 2006, 05:12:20 PM

I dunno about you but over here bonking is a word for sexual intercourse. Those randy mods.

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Post by: Osmose on October 13, 2006, 05:34:36 PM

1.A bonk appears as soon as you "perform an action," which, when I tested myself, was immedietly after setting it on myself, so that includes anything done while you're logged in, I assume.

2.I'd like to thank Midnight for editing out that Private Message that was posted. I sent it as a PM specifically to keep it off of the forums.

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 13, 2006, 06:34:34 PM

Apparently you arent allowed to speak anymore.....

You guys are douchy. There is no rule about posting PMs. Unless the rules are made up as you go, which by the way it looks, they are.

Bonk me Ban me, I dont give a $h!t. Im going to find a differnt forum.

Cencorship because I disagree.....And voiced the gutless things you asses post to me when you thought nobody else could hear.

16, 16, 17, 17 and 23. Most of you act about that age. Because I have yet to see an adult get so offended at being disagreed upon, unless they are either an ***hole or A moron with power.

which is it? ***hole? Moron? Stupid Kid?

Dont even reply to this. I dont know why this thread is still open, unless youre trying to get people to get angry so you can exert your pissant authority.


Im gone.  Paint me the poriah. I already know Im not the Martyr.

For being a "community" you guys sure suck as governing members.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on October 13, 2006, 06:48:50 PM

If you're gonna leave, just leave. Jesus Christ. Talk about having a stick up your ***.

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Post by: Dragonium on October 13, 2006, 07:05:38 PM

Get rid of the bonk system, take Charas back to the way it was and everyone shut the f*ck up.

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Post by: Robotam Plus on October 13, 2006, 07:14:20 PM

Mind if I lock this topic here? I don't think there's much more to discuss.
The system stays, end of discussion.

If another mod thinks differently about locking this, you're free to open it again.

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Post by: Alex on October 13, 2006, 08:41:08 PM

Oh yes, i want to reopen this.
Hello world!

As all of you know, i returned to made this BONK think.
I am out of forums, so i simply did what the actual staff asked me as a developer.
Not being active here gives me no way to judge anything, but on the other hand it gives me the objectiveness of a "tourist in visit to Charas City".

It seems incredible: 9 (NINE!) pages, and maybe only 2 or 3 are on topic and useful.
I read them all, brrrrrr....
Many ppls are referring to Charas as a sort of lager, with horrible restrictions, no democracy, the worst place on the internet.
Well, some simple considerations:

1 - THE LAGER

It really seems no one of you ever visited a so called "serious" forum. IF we're so terrible here, i'm afraid there are no words in any vocabulary for them.
The alert/ban tools staff has now are:

- BONK
Can be performed by any member of the staff. Its main purpose is to give a warn.
Not something to discuss about, but simply an alert in the form "someone thinks you're risking to act out of the lines".
This system should not be abused by staff members, as if you are performing a REALLY weird action... well, one of the bans will be your deserved destiny.
A bonk expires into itself: it will be shown only once, but it will be SURELY seen by you.
That's the point: a warning message we want to be sure you'll read.
Bonk is just a fun name for this, name it as you wish.

- PM
Same as bonk, but the sending staff member thinks you may want to reply.
THIS IS WHAT A STAFF MEMBER WILL USE IN CASE OF DISCUSSABLE THINGS.
If he used a bonk, it simply means you had a friendly voice telling you "better to be quiter on this..."

- ALMOST BAN
All of you knows, its simply a sort of restricted membership. Can be done only by admins.

- BAN and IPBAN
Well, this is clear. Can be done only by admins too.

Now...
Out of 4 systems, only BAN is really stopping all of your rights.
Can you tell me if there's another place where you can be warned with 3 different methods?
Nope. Generally, in the internet, you'll only get 1 PM (maybe) and DIRECLY a ban.
If you still think the lager is here.....

2 - NO DEMOCRACY

Unfortunatly not everyone of you were here in the first year of this forum.
At that time everything was different, everything was done asking to members.
But honestly... there are more than 25400 users, and evenif not all of them posts here, MUCH MORE users than first year are here.
If we want to avoid chaos, something has to be done.
Yes, there are rules. But rules alone are ok only if each member will respect them.
While few ppls, that was so. When the community started to grow, no more.
Now we need to be severe with rules, and sometimes it's needed to use an "iron glove".

Just imagine full freedom here: do you really think no one would abuse of it?
But as you know, if you behave within the lines, nothing will happen to you.
Just as in real world.

3 - THE WORST PLACE

This, IMHO, is the funnier part!
It seems so many ppls thinks this place is horrible, terrific, facist...
And all of them generally menace to go somewhere else.
My simple question is: who's stopping you?
BTW: if you're going to reply insulting me for this, then probably i hitted you :)
If you're not, then you're smart enough to understand what i really ment.



At the end, there's not much to add here.
Everything we had to say about all of this was really well explained by Osmose and SaiKar in their posts here:
http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=18317&forumid=12&catid=6&page=6

Please avoid flames on stupid things like "the bonk shoud have the sender name".
The bonk is MADE not to show you the name, as there are the PMs for named messages.
The bonk is simply a funny way to alert. If no bonk, then probably directly ban.
Consider it as a friendly voice alerting you about something.

If this is not ok for you, then probably you're afraid thay will be USED with you.
And if you want to know the name, this means you want to reply also to an alert.
Well, in a 25400+ users system, this would mean chaos. So no name, it's the bonk!

Oh, BTW: maybe we will also do something for you to see who was bonked and how many times.
Who knows, maybe we will also make public access to bonks messages themselves, which will show the entire world what the staff told to you. So the staff is warned (they can't abuse of this), but you will have no chance to say they bonked you unfairly. But this is up to be. As of now, only who has access to the database (which means only ME) can see all sent bonks texts. And as far i can see, they were not abused at all, and the messages was fully motivated.

So be constructive, and don't be afraid of ghosts. Also please, don't CREATE ghosts.
If you wish to reply here please do, but show you can do more than flaming.

Finally, Robotam (or every other Admin/Mod), if this thread will turn into flames only replies feel free to relock it definitively.

BONKBONK!

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 13, 2006, 09:32:02 PM

Provides good points, but it was better off locked IMO.

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Post by: Archem on October 13, 2006, 09:35:45 PM

OMG Alex! This thread visit was SO worth it now...

Alex IS the rarest pokemon, after all.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 13, 2006, 09:49:28 PM

You have no idea how uplifting it feels you post. An easyness of actual being able to discuss without feeling the shadow of someone is going to tell you to stop it... feels good.

Most of the stuff you said it's true, very true. However it doesn't mean I won't disagree with some aspects, and it's not directly with what you have stated. How can you disagree with the truth? Well depends on how you place  or express this truth. Up to this point none of the staff had said this:

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maybe we will also do something for you to see who was bonked and how many times.
Who knows, maybe we will also make public access to bonks messages themselves, which will show the entire world what the staff told to you. So the staff is warned (they can't abuse of this), but you will have no chance to say they bonked you unfairly. But this is up to be. As of now, only who has access to the database (which means only ME) can see all sent bonks texts. And as far i can see, they were not abused at all, and the messages was fully motivated."

That is WAY much better than what mods so far have said such as; "We dont care what you say", "nothing will change", "You are suggestions are wrong"

Why? (and this specificly what I always felt it should be); you are warning mods as well, you are portraying mods with what they are supposed to do, not with what they feel from their personal feelings.

No body wants full freedom. But we want some freedom with perspective, freedom to suggest, and not being told to shut up, specially when you are not flaming. And for these freedoms and walls to affect the staff as well.

I have seen hostility from most of the staff head including administration, and they deny it, or they say it's because I am opposing a threat. A threat to what? Don't know, they know I am not the kind that would actually do things against the rules, yet the pure mention of suggesting something with voice, seems to be a perfect target for them to say they wont mind what I am saying.

Rules...

Some of them the mods just expect newcomers to know. They are not posted and the ones that are, are very outdated. It serves no good for the administration to say "We know the rules full and through, and so does him, him, him and her", if there's no actual typed and CURRENT documented evidence of the rules. Sure there are links around with subforums, but those rules have become outdated, and some of them are barely followed anymore, while other are too strictly being enforced.

The fear here isn't that it will be used against me for something I do, but rather a fear of misuse and abuse. Sincerely I am quite surprised I haven't gotten bonked, since last time I raised my voice my title when on yellow, after that no seeming action was taken on anybody, when it was promised that fairness would follow.

I don't really care about democracy. I don't even really think i understand the *full* extent of the word. But I do understand the word fairness. I have noticed that many users tend to flame against something stablished and being punished, while a member tries to insult another member and one of the mods picks up the insult and we see nothing being done about the mod, but we get the member scorned.

The only thing I been picky on in here recently has been this:

- The staff is openly disregarding in a rude manner suggestions and critics from the community. (this can be seen in this thread)
- Mods appear to have a special tag other than modship, that makes some of the rules obsolete to them, wheter or not they seem to know it. (if you look hard enough, you can also find it here)
- I see a vast lack of communication between members and the staff about the community. I don't imply fascism, but rather an ugly case of thinking one with power may think better than the one without it.
- Some of the 'rules' seem to have special exceptions for the staff members, such as allowing insults for the whole purpose of having good laughs.

About 4-5 months (around the time of the troll invasion) ago I posted a rant about how the staff and community should communicate.  As granted, there were people that disagreed with what I had to say, but as I remember more people seemed positive about it than not.

Sure, I think the system isn't going work out as well as its being intended. However that does not mean it wasn't meant for good, and it does not mean because I think it "sucks" (and I elaborated why before) that I should be disregarded, such was the way it happened.

Like you that has been gone for a while you had to make a voice, its most partially the same feeling with me. Except that I had left at first  because I wanted the staff to hear me, and at least say "yes ok, we'll try" than "shut up we don't need you". And it's only at times like these that I feel the opportunity to speak my mind and see if there's a change, and gladly I see a little light somewhere.

The staff has to know that not everyone can be wrong, and we all cannot be right, including the staff. The staff can only do what it cans to help, and not decide by completely themselves if something will work right or wrong, in reference to taking ear into what the community says, at least the well spoke community.

The same way mods and people will disagree with me, and I have to take it, it's the same with them; they should be able to take it, and have not turn to the member with agression, or some kind of witty attitude.

With that in mind, I hope you read Alex, for this has been read over time and disregarded, but I know you are about the only one that can tell me in a good manner a  good "right" and "wrong", and not just shun me for wanting to say something. No, I am not a victim, but I am watched closely for some reason, and this might why.

And yes it's the internet, you can take importance or you cannot; there's a reason why there are supposed to be rules; Control and management, and a good place for most.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 13, 2006, 10:12:52 PM

Ah, Alex. Your fractured english makes the most sense of any of us. :P

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Post by: Revolution911 on October 13, 2006, 10:20:30 PM

I  S A I D  N O  M O R E  F L A M I N G  H E R E!

Consider this a public bonk, if you like.
Do not force me to lock this thread again.
Btw: nice to see you're still here, rev! :)

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Post by: MrMister on October 13, 2006, 11:45:40 PM

SAME AS REV.
please.

You have the whole forum for this, leave this thread alone

mrmister agen: We have a different definition of 'flame,' I think. I didn't mean any disrespekk in this post. Why don't you love me :(

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Post by: Revolution911 on October 14, 2006, 12:16:22 AM

Gotchya, holmes. And Yo, yep, I still dwell around thee parts.

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Post by: SaiKar on October 14, 2006, 01:13:53 AM

Hmph. Admin or not, bringing on 10 more pages of arguments or not, I have to say it.

Kijuki, I tire of your accusations of power abuse. If I wanted to I could have banned you weeks ago, and I would have been able to make a strong case that it wasn't an abuse. You've become akin to Raffles now, a carrion crow that follows Charas around and pours salt on is wounds. The only difference is that Raffles KNEW he was trolling and didn't believe a word he was saying. All you do is wait for something to happen and jump in with a "AHA! My predictions of doom are coming true!" You tell us to shape up, but it is you who offers no concrete ideas and vanishes for weeks at a time, only springing up when there is some issue for you to grind into the ground.

Seriously, leave Kijuki. You turned from a great member of the community to its cancer. You don't want to cooperate with the staff. You aren't interested in being a content normal member. You want changes and don't care if you make this place unfun for everyone else. The staff is sick of it, the rest of the members say your little revolution sucks. Find another forum to troll.

You accuse of of being rude. I accuse YOU of being rude. You and other vocal members that for some bizzare reason have to make a big deal about everything. Listen up. Just because you guys have an idea and we don't like it, this doesn't mean you're being ignored. It means we think it's a bad idea. The staff listens to your input (otherwise this wouldn't be a 10 page thread!) but we are under NO obligation to bow to your whims if we think they aren't good ideas. Several people around here are bullying my staff into corners with nonsense about democracy and freedom. As Alex said, we're very soft here. Nobody has gotten banned over this bloody debate. The damn thread is still open. And you DARE accuse us of being tyrannical and rude?!

I have had it about up to here with certain people. You don't like how this place is run? You want to stir up trouble about a feature that ONLY AFFECTS PEOPLE THAT STIR UP TROUBLE?! As Alex said, if you have so dark of an opinion of this place, leave now. Go on, find your so-called better forums and leave the rest of us to talk about RPGMaker stuff in peace. It's getting to the point where I wonder if just shutting the whole place down would be a better move than continuing this dance.

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Post by: coreystranick on October 14, 2006, 02:02:58 AM

wait, I thought Osmose was only a mod so he could work and clear up the community game threads and such.

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Post by: charaman on October 14, 2006, 02:16:57 AM

some people are so petty. smile :)!

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Post by: Cosmos on October 14, 2006, 02:42:05 AM

Ok, look I'm gonna close this for an hour or so (if I'm not around, razor or Harvey can open it), Also, that emo thing was started by you without saying anything people said you were emo because of the avatar. Now hopefully later everyone can be a little less mods suck members want better forums because everyone fails to realize that ya'll taking shyte for granted. Charas may not always be around, when it's gone ya'll are gonna miss it some. You all know that we're behind the times compared to most forums, ya'll know that we DO listen. Some of the mods may give off that I dun care aura, but the rest of us do care. If we didn't, then ppl like Raffles would still be around. So please, grow up.

Also, I didn't delete you're comment. Just so you know,  :corn:

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Post by: Cosmos on October 14, 2006, 03:13:08 AM

Kay, unlocked. Be good.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 14, 2006, 03:19:28 AM

STOP LOCKING AND UNLOCKING.

YOU'RE LIKE MY LOCKER. MY LOCKER IS A WHORE! SHE LETS ME PUT STUFF IN HER AND NEVER CLOSES RIGHT. QUIT.

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Post by: MrMister on October 14, 2006, 03:23:51 AM

Mid, you locked it right while I was in the middle of a sweet post ;_;

Well, I will now try to recreate it from memory:

Kijuki, quit being crazy. Does 'tone' really matter that much? Or do you just hate SaiKar so much that you are searching for reasons to make long-winded whiny posts? You are usually a good guy, please stop being a ****disturber.

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Post by: Cosmos on October 14, 2006, 03:28:31 AM

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Originally posted by MrMister
Mid, you locked it right while I was in the middle of a sweet post ;_;

Well, I will now try to recreate it from memory:

Kijuki, quit being crazy. Does 'tone' really matter that much? Or do you just hate SaiKar so much that you are searching for reasons to make long-winded whiny posts? You are usually a good guy, please stop being a shitdisturber.

I'm sorry Mr, I didn't see you were replying. :/ but who would've known you had a... nice way with words.  :)

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on October 14, 2006, 03:36:54 AM

MrMister, now with added 12% more coherent speech.

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Post by: Razor on October 14, 2006, 03:42:30 AM

Ahh, Alex. He always puts us in order. Cheers to the big man!

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Post by: Black Massacre on October 14, 2006, 03:44:10 AM

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Originally posted by Razor
Ahh, Alex. He always puts us in order. Cheers to the big man!

Though rarely on....

Good times...... good times, eh?

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Post by: Jaide on October 14, 2006, 03:51:23 AM

Wow.  How does a flaming brujah develop from a forum designed to discuss...RPG Maker?  It's not like this is Political Debate Central or Religion R Us.  If you really get so worked up over what goes on in an online forum made to discuss RPG Maker, do you seriously spend time doing much else?  O.o  At least I'm off doing other nerdy things most of the time.  WoW...video games...going outside sometimes ("orly?!"  "yarly.")

Charas:  The Nerdiest Place on Earth.  D:

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Post by: Cosmos on October 14, 2006, 04:03:23 AM

lawl, in the all and all anything and everything happens. :p

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Post by: Drace on October 14, 2006, 06:12:40 AM

*Raises finger* Can this be locked now?

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Post by: plightofthepureblood on October 14, 2006, 06:16:23 AM

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Originally posted by SaiKar
Hmph. Admin or not, bringing on 10 more pages of arguments or not, I have to say it.

Kijuki, I tire of your accusations of power abuse. If I wanted to I could have banned you weeks ago, and I would have been able to make a strong case that it wasn't an abuse. You've become akin to Raffles now, a carrion crow that follows Charas around and pours salt on is wounds. The only difference is that Raffles KNEW he was trolling and didn't believe a word he was saying. All you do is wait for something to happen and jump in with a "AHA! My predictions of doom are coming true!" You tell us to shape up, but it is you who offers no concrete ideas and vanishes for weeks at a time, only springing up when there is some issue for you to grind into the ground.

Seriously, leave Kijuki. You turned from a great member of the community to its cancer. You don't want to cooperate with the staff. You aren't interested in being a content normal member. You want changes and don't care if you make this place unfun for everyone else. The staff is sick of it, the rest of the members say your little revolution sucks. Find another forum to troll.

You accuse of of being rude. I accuse YOU of being rude. You and other vocal members that for some bizzare reason have to make a big deal about everything. Listen up. Just because you guys have an idea and we don't like it, this doesn't mean you're being ignored. It means we think it's a bad idea. The staff listens to your input (otherwise this wouldn't be a 10 page thread!) but we are under NO obligation to bow to your whims if we think they aren't good ideas. Several people around here are bullying my staff into corners with nonsense about democracy and freedom. As Alex said, we're very soft here. Nobody has gotten banned over this bloody debate. The damn thread is still open. And you DARE accuse us of being tyrannical and rude?!

I have had it about up to here with certain people. You don't like how this place is run? You want to stir up trouble about a feature that ONLY AFFECTS PEOPLE THAT STIR UP TROUBLE?! As Alex said, if you have so dark of an opinion of this place, leave now. Go on, find your so-called better forums and leave the rest of us to talk about RPGMaker stuff in peace. It's getting to the point where I wonder if just shutting the whole place down would be a better move than continuing this dance.

Wow Sai, youre an @$$hole

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on October 14, 2006, 06:32:35 AM

Sai, as well as others I'm sure, feel the exact same way about you, plight. :)

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on October 14, 2006, 06:54:52 AM

"I'm feeling angry! I'm going to over exagerate every emotion I have! I'm emo! Nawh nah nah nah nawh!"

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Post by: Alex on October 14, 2006, 09:45:15 AM

It seems unuseful and flaming posts are not stopping here.
Well, i'll not bonk anyone, as i am only the developer and not an active staff member.
For the same reason, i will trust the staff and i will use only what i know.

Kijuki:
You're really a politician, as far as i can see.
I can't disagree at all with you, but i also saw other posts you made here and there.
Really, you seem to try creating a small revolution here, but honestly can't understand where it should go. It seems just revolutioning for the good taste of revolutioning.
The staff banned you, and to see an ex admin banned is not nice to see. But once again, they have to preserve order here.  And they took their decision.

Yes, you say sometimes staff is rude, and you said "this can be seen in this thread". What i can see here is that also users were rude, and in a normal place this would have leaded to an immediate lock and various bans. Let's say things as they are globally.

Meiscool:
I asked politely to keep this thread useful. You posted only unuseful silly things. The staff will decide what to do with you, but you're a good example of why they HAVE to act rudely.

plightofthepureblood:
but... do you read what you wrote in this whole thread?
I got your PM, but your public actions here are really weird.
I'm sorry, your PM was nice. I will keep it in mind, but i will not reply to you: you can't write good things privately and act like this publically.

As far as i can see here, the staff in totally RIGHT.
90% of the ppls crying for their behaviour are acting like jerks themselves.

So this is the last post of this thread, LOCKED.