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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Omega Weapon on April 10, 2007, 02:57:52 PM

Title: Low Level Gaming
Post by: Omega Weapon on April 10, 2007, 02:57:52 PM: Fun stuff. Gave me an excuse to play FF3/6 again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmldYvH_SBA

:)
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Post by: SaiKar on April 10, 2007, 04:38:50 PM: Step Mine! They must have spent hours walking around to get it that high of damage.

I remember Atma Weapon being one of the hardest fights in the game though. Interesting to see it done at low level. Does it say anywhere on there what levels the characters were?
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 10, 2007, 05:01:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SaiKar
Does it say anywhere on there what levels the characters were?

Judging by thier HP, Terra is level 6, Shadow is level 6, and Strago is level 8 because at those levels with no leveling with HP espers, they have exactly that much max HP. Gau must be using something to raise his HP so I can't tell what level he is.
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Post by: Cosmos on April 10, 2007, 07:28:16 PM: Amazing... o.o
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Post by: Daetyrnis on April 10, 2007, 07:51:27 PM: Wow, they made the battle appear to be easy.
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Post by: Bluhman on April 10, 2007, 07:53:46 PM: That actually looked difficult.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 10, 2007, 09:11:28 PM: I recorded that, actually. I just kicked Kefka's butt in the final battle.

Gogo + Gau: Io Rage/Flare Star
Strago: Step Mine
Terra: X-Magic Life3 Monkey

Gau was actually level 13. He absorbed the unavoidable Mine Cart and Air Force battle exp.

I used an excellent walkthrough but substituted some strategies there with my own. The author recommended using RaspOsmose against Atma but I didn't do that, obviously.

Gau absorbs these levels and leaps away at the Veldt, thus keeping the party average down.

Celes, Setzer, Terra, Locke, Relm, Sabin, Edgar, Shadow, Umaro = Lvl. 6

Cyan = Lvl. 7 , Strago & Gogo Lvl. 8, Mog Lvl. 11 and Gau Lvl. 15

Absolutely no Vanish/Doom, no glitching. It was fun at times, but incredibly boring other times.

EDIT: I had ~68,000 steps. To get 9999 you need 320,000. I didn't have to go out of my way to get that high a count because the only way to earn money in a LLG is to steal and sell rares, or fight on the Veldt. That, coupled with having to teach every single possible spell to every character, netted me a solid count.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 10, 2007, 09:19:47 PM: Brings me back to victories that were on a knife edge. He went about everything with the air of someone who knows exactly what he's doing though. Awesome.

I got stuck on Atma weapon for ages. He did make it look easy :(
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Post by: Bluhman on April 10, 2007, 09:37:35 PM: Also, what program did you use to record that?
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 10, 2007, 09:43:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Brings me back to victories that were on a knife edge. He went about everything with the air of someone who knows exactly what he's doing though. Awesome.

I got stuck on Atma weapon for ages. He did make it look easy :(

I sucked at one point. I know because the first time I fought Atma Weapon I was using Air Blade on it. Which means I was at level 30 and STILL having trouble.
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Also, what program did you use to record that?
ZSNES .avi dumps.

Since you guys seemed to enjoy that, I'll be dumping and uploading the final battle now.
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Post by: Blue_Strife on April 10, 2007, 09:46:31 PM: Now I wanna play 6 again... ;_;

Good job on Atma though.
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Post by: Bluhman on April 10, 2007, 09:53:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon

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Originally posted by Bluhman
Also, what program did you use to record that?
ZSNES .avi dumps.

Since you guys seemed to enjoy that, I'll be dumping and uploading the final battle now.[/B]

Ah, thanks. Now I've gotta record something using that.
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Post by: Grandy on April 10, 2007, 10:10:54 PM: ...is that the same things to make Tool-assisted speedruns? 'Cause you should totally make a speedrun about low-level gaming.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 10, 2007, 11:40:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bluhman

Ah, thanks. Now I've gotta record something using that.

You need the most recent version of ZSNES.

http://nsrt.edgeemu.com/lame.zip

http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer-win32.php

Get the mencoder-p4-svn-22834.7z if you have a Pentium.

(This is copy and paste stuff from a friend giving me the instructions)

once you have them just unzip them into your Zsnes directory

then all you have to do is go to movie options in Zsnes and play your movie. Then just stop it straight away. It will then give you the dumping tab.

so press play. Then press escape to go back to the movie options screen then press stop

You will see a dumping tab show up when you press stop

you want it on either x264 or xvid for the video
you want it on ZMV length on dumping options
and all three options ticked under audio
and thats it. Press the start button and it will encode

...And be saved into merged.avi

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Originally posted by Grandy
...is that the same things to make Tool-assisted speedruns? 'Cause you should totally make a speedrun about low-level gaming.

It's an emulator for the SNES.

Well, the final battle is being processed at Youtube. While that's going on, you can watch this, if you like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRy3Ak33D4A

VS. FlameEater. We want the least amount of exp. (zero). What to do about those darn Balloons....?
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Post by: DarkFlood2 on April 11, 2007, 01:54:45 AM: Pretty nice.

Low level gaming is just insane. For instance, have you seen the no materia vs Ruby Weapon(FF7) and the level 1 no junctions Omega Weapon (FF8) fights?
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 11, 2007, 01:57:31 AM: FF6 is the easiest FF of all. There's little to no need to plan out battles ahead of time, equiptment is easy to get, money is easy to get, magic can be cast several times before you need to refill ( where as you can just then use Osmose instead of items), using Esper level bonuses you can make every character into a physical, magical, and speed machine with high health and MP, and once you get Ultima the game basically becomes stagnet in battles.

It's still a great game, but it's really not hard at all. The only thing I'm having trouble with are the bonus dungeons on the GBA version, and that's because: I'm at a way lower level than I should be, the dungeon "requires" you have at least 12 people for the 3 split parties, (where I've only bothered to get back 8 characters) and I've only gathered a few extra Espers.

EDIT: I'm not saying anything bad about the low leveling thing. I think it's cool that you try to make the game harder. I'm just saying that I'm kinda confused as to how people found Atma weapon hard.
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Post by: DarkFlood2 on April 11, 2007, 02:08:16 AM: I know, I played the PS1 remake of the game and found atma to be horribly easy. And I am almost always way underleveled for any boss battle.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 11, 2007, 02:25:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Pretty nice.

Low level gaming is just insane. For instance, have you seen the no materia vs Ruby Weapon(FF7) and the level 1 no junctions Omega Weapon (FF8) fights?
I did, just now. Insanity in a box.

Anyone who wants to see FF6 being beaten on the lowest possible average levels:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74yv5UhhI5k

2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQiLoCxWLp4

3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9wd79jKJEo

Kefka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfVysp8Vx5k

The difference between this and other LLG games is that maybe 1 or 2 people have 128%+ Magic Evade. I spread things out evenly. In short, they'll get a good whacking from the enemy.

Enjoy.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 11, 2007, 03:31:54 AM: What the hell? I only watched the Kefka one, but that's gay.

The relics completely take away the low lever hamper you've got on MP, and the fact that Kefka only had 2 turns over the course of 6 minutes really makes me think.
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Post by: Grandy on April 11, 2007, 11:38:25 AM: Quote

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Originally posted by Grandy
...is that the same things to make Tool-assisted speedruns? 'Cause you should totally make a speedrun about low-level gaming.

It's an emulator for the SNES.[/B]

I know what it is, but you can also make tool-assisted speedruns on that.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 11, 2007, 12:12:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Meiscool
What the hell? I only watched the Kefka one, but that's gay.

The relics completely take away the low lever hamper you've got on MP, and the fact that Kefka only had 2 turns over the course of 6 minutes really makes me think.

It is not a "fact" that Kefka had 2 turns. He had 6 and 2 counterattacks. After a certain point he counterattacks with Meteor and Ultima. It is not possible to keep up with these and Goner.

Unless you would prefer watching me use Rasp on him for 3 hours, because that is the only alternative. But you probably knew all that.

You should watch the others. I'm sure plenty more excuses to bitch can be found in them.

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I know what it is, but you can also make tool-assisted speedruns on that.
Could you elaborate?
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Post by: Bluhman on April 11, 2007, 04:14:01 PM: Slow down game, do the entire game in the shortest amount of time while recording it, then compile the whole thing and put it up online.

That's basically the idea of a speedrun.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 11, 2007, 11:09:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bluhman
Slow down game, do the entire game in the shortest amount of time while recording it, then compile the whole thing and put it up online.
Hmm....

I think I will.
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Post by: Grandy on April 11, 2007, 11:34:02 PM: http://tasvideos.org/FAQ.html

That's the best I can elaborate. Even because it isn't my words, but still
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Post by: Bluhman on April 12, 2007, 01:46:46 AM: Yeah. Here's me doing some stuff in MMX, using ZSNES' feature to slow down things. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1umcsrBNY) First try with it.
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Post by: Osmose on April 12, 2007, 01:48:23 AM: ZSNES bah. It was awesome but I prefer FCE Ultra nowadays.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 12, 2007, 01:03:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bluhman
Yeah. Here's me doing some stuff in MMX, using ZSNES' feature to slow down things. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1umcsrBNY) First try with it.
I watched all of it (Good choice for a stage, loved that music.)

Your button setup must be better than mine, because I can't execute some things due to keyboard limitations (Charging + dash + jump + left arrow key.)

It's pretty good. You didn't make many mistakes at all.

(Incidentally, if you aren't going for a 100% X-Buster stage, the powered up Armadillo Shield thing makes climbing the side of the tower a cakewalk)
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Post by: Grandy on April 12, 2007, 03:01:06 PM: Bluhman, just so you know, there's also an option in where you can just go back in time and fix your mistakes.