Post by: Revolution911 on January 07, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Now, I love j-rock. Infact, my favorite band is Japanese. But I have ****ing had it with that hair metal bullshit that Japan has been pumping out these days. You know what I'm talking about. Lookin' at you, dir en grey. I'll be honest, a few of their songs are pretty catchy, but ****. How many times can you give me the same song with the same guitars. Even their vocals, which are thought to be the best in that whole visual kei scene, are getting REALLY REALLY old. And then every other Visual band copies EVERYTHING THEY DO. First off, they dress like they're ****ing Hellraisers or some ****. If there is a chain connected from your boot to your leather jacket, there is a problem. If you wear more eyeliner and hairspray than actual clothing, yet try to give off this hardcore image, there is a problem. If I cant tell if you're a female or a male due to your ridiculous amount of unisex leather clothing, platform boots, and eyeliner, there is a HUGE problem. Is japan just now getting into the whole hair metal thing? And dont even get me started on the fans of this ****. I hate seeing these pricks in school, thinking that listening to something other than american music is going to make you less american. Reading your Japanese Graphic Novels (mangas are ****ing graphic novels, get over it) backwards because reading it fowards is just too american. Watching all of your anime when half of the **** has the SAME WASHED UP PLOT, and then claiming that american cartoons arent epic enough. Excuse me if a sponge and his starfish friend arent in a rag tag group of teens out to save the world (Spongebob, you dolts). Theres one girl in my school. Her name is Taylor. But she tells everyone her name is Sue-mi....You're ****ing kidding right? Sue-Mi is appearently "sin" in japanese. You wannabe bitch. She called me a baka. A BAKA. Do I need to go into detail at how retarded that is? Anyway, I like some anime, some manga, and j-rock. But when you become this wannabe-japanese ***hole who uses it as a way to seperate themselves from the average american because japan is SOOO much cooler, you can eat **** in hell. JAPAN IS NOT THAT GREAT. ITS PRETTY DAMN COOL, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. Im not this patriotic person or anything, but I despise seeing these anime fanatics thinking they're so multicultural because they've heard a few songs from Dir En Grey.
Yeah, comments? Rants of your own? Post it.
Thats one hell of a cencorship block, btw.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 03:47:55 AM
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 03:52:40 AM
Post by: Weregnome on January 07, 2007, 04:18:09 AM
What really pisses me off is people who have to be over ****ing controlling about everyhting and anything. ok, my m8s sister is that exactly. ****ing too controlling for her own good. On New Year's Eve we put on some dance music just to liven people up, cos too much experimental music and rock doesn't spice up a party all night, so she just said it was **** and turned it off. ****ing hell. Then she takes ****ing control of any games, or anythign thats on TV. As soon as yo do anything she doesn't like, she sulks and if you're having a heavy debate, she teels you to shut up like your drunk. If it wasn't the fact that it was her house, I would have told her to shut the **** up.
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 04:46:35 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 04:54:03 AM
Germany FTW... Even though I'm American =/
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Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 04:55:44 AM
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I hate when people say Japan is great. You know what the typical japanese man is like? He works 20 hours a day, never gets laid, has no sense of humor and works a job he despises in a 3 ft cubicle. You know what women do? They can either teach or stay at home and give their child head when he's failing classes.
Germany FTW... Even though I'm American =/
I didn't say Its great, I just said I like it. but yes, Germany for the win(?)!
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 04:57:56 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 05:02:04 AM
I still think America is the best country, but as far as foreign countries go Germany is at the top of the list.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 05:05:12 AM
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 05:09:12 AM
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Meis, go give your failing child head.
I still think America is the best country, but as far as foreign countries go Germany is at the top of the list.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! no. america is lead by an idiot. has the most trash output, has the most output that will destroy the atmosphere, a HUGE percent of its people being fat football fanatics sitting in their chair being potato head with a neck. so, funny joke, but a-no.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 05:12:09 AM
Hahaha, yeah dude. That combined with your quote of MrMister's Walloftext LAWL line, and the fact that if I hadn't posted a second before you did, you would've made a double post, now makes you a n00b.
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 05:15:34 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 05:17:21 AM
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 05:20:25 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 05:21:40 AM
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(I always wanted to say nice avatar btw)
You see that Archem? He likes MY avatar.
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 05:33:18 AM
Post by: Weregnome on January 07, 2007, 05:45:48 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
America - Land of the freedom to be able to tell others about how you wish they didn't have the freedom you're using to tell them this.
To be honest, I hate Bush, but what I've been told my mates you went to America on holidays was that its really great over there. I would never be interested in living in America, but it would be pretty cool to visit california, new york and miami
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 05:51:47 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
America - Land of the freedom to be able to tell others about how you wish they didn't have the freedom you're using to tell them this.
says who?????????????
Post by: Linkizcool on January 07, 2007, 05:53:33 AM
Post by: Archem on January 07, 2007, 05:54:52 AM
[rant]I truly hate the recent anti-video game movement that politicians and lawyers have been campaigning. There is no proof showing any increase in violence of violent tendancies that stem from playing video games. Quite the opposite, in fact. If these **** HEADS would look into this they'd know that the trend of violent acts has significantly DECREASED over the past thirty years. Not all video games are bad, either. These crusades suggest that every game has a negative impact on society, but as any gamer would know, this is untrue. A majority of games are either nonviolent or have lower levels of violent acts than those found in more voilent games.
A lot of bullshit "facts" are slung around as well. One of the more common ones is that you are forced to kill characters or objects that reflect virtuous or important things or people in real life. More often than not, htis is untrue, as there are alternatives, and you are often punished, not rewarded for these acts. Most of the time, these options are added for increased freedom, not as a cynical reward system.
"Violence in games is training our kids to recreate these kind of things in real life." This is easily disproven, and no facts exist to found it. Most people who play games claim to play violent ones for the same reason as nonviolent ones, which is, for fun. And even those who do play based on some real-life phenomenon play in a fantasy world do their acts there so that no people are actually harmed. It's equally effective at reducing stress and burning off steam than taking a gun to a preson's head. And the idea of LOSING TOUCH WITH WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT'S A VIDEO GAME is rediculous! There are many and many a difference between what is and what is not, and there are few similarities held universally among games of violent origin.
It has been said that DOOM was used to train the students who staged the Columbine shooting, but let's think rationally: DOOM would be very useless in such a situation because no student or teacher would be firing rockets or plasma rifle fire at the attackers, and an empty map would be the same as blueprints or pictures in the plannig stages of the attack. And the thought of making a 3D world is possible in many ways with many programs, most of which are much more advanced and much easier to aquire today than in the past. Most of these kind of programs don't even have anything to DO with violence!
Violence is not sent into the thought process of a person by playing a video game, it's ingrained into our minds by instinct! Take any and all conflicts in the middle east, for example. Do any of those extensive violent acts have anything to do with video games? No! Let's predate video games: Where did the idea of extreme violence come from during World War II? The Vietnam Conflict? The FRENCH ****ing REBELLION?!! And what about music, books, and movies? These days, all those have violence involved, at least to some level. It's the same as any video game, that they're divided by content and levels of graphic content. Most voilence tied to a form of media is related to movies, not games! But let's not single out movies now, let's expand to books. In such timeless classics as Edgar Allan Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart, the main character murders the generous old man who shelters him, and for no reason other than his interesting eye! Or John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, George kills Lenny, but only because Lenny kills another character. Surely the circumstances of these murders are quite different and emotional, but the idea of violence is still held strong.
Video games, like most other violence-containing media, is rated and given warnings about its content if it is objectable. In the United States, there is a LAW that states that video games that have aquired an M rating can only be bought by individuals of the age 17 or more, and MUST show a form of identification. At this point, violence commited by the user is unavoidable, because if the user is of a young age, then the parent is at fault for introducing such a violent work into the hands of the impressionable and moldable minds of children. If the user is above the age requirement, then it is the user's fault for unreasonably attempting fictional actions in real life, but then again, at that age, the violence is still unavoidable because the user would have to be mentally unstable or previously criminally inclined to try out such an act anyways.
Violence doesn't exist solely in video games, and violence doesn't stem exclusively from video games. But given the recent news coverage due to their reenactable and sometimes coincidental, unfamiliar, and (as a natural result of instinct) untrusted stand-point, they are singled out ans made a scapegoat. And I am against that, and I can see the truth.
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EDIT: Lordy, but there were quite a many new posts since the start of writing this post. Minor touch-ups were neccessary to make parts of this post relevant.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 05:57:06 AM
But this topic isn't about that, it's about Japanese posers. ON-TOPIC PLEASE.
ARCHEM GETS (40) AWSOME POINTS
Post by: Linkizcool on January 07, 2007, 05:59:53 AM
They did a study about violent video games, and they did prove that they ingrain violence, but if you played it for so long that you would want to kill people, you'ld probably be too fat and lazy to anyways.
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 06:13:04 AM
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Know what? You think America sucks? How about instead of bitching and making so-called witty remarks, why don't you either try and DO something about it or get the hell out. We don't need assholes that do nothing but complain without trying to fix it.
But this topic isn't about that, it's about Japanese posers. ON-TOPIC PLEASE.
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I AM FREAKING STATING MY OPINION! NOT BITCHING! omg, is that so hard to understand? I simply said that the US is by far not the best place in the world does that make me a communist? does that make me evil? does that make me some kinda devil worshipping monster? no, by no stretch, so atleast give me the decensy of speaking to me like I'm not that crap you just laid in the toilet!
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 07, 2007, 06:29:19 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 07:07:52 AM
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 07:19:17 AM
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America - Land of the freedom to be able to tell others about how you wish they didn't have the freedom you're using to tell them this.
says who?????????????[/B]
It's not the kind of statement you can throw a "Says who" at, really. Take for example, ZeroKirby. In America, he has the freedom to walk over to me in the middle of a street and say, "Hey Moose, stop saying America sucks.", basically saying he doesn't want me to have the freedom to say, "America sucks." It's his right to want and say that to me (Provided none of my own rights are actually infringed upon, IE he doesn't stab me in the throat so I can't speak or stop me from walking to where I want to go if I don't feel like standing there listening to him)
Of course, by that point he has basically raped the freedom that his favorite country stands for, but that's the beauty of it - he can!
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 07:30:12 AM
But he's right, that's why I love America. I love it because Moose can say that it sucks. I love it because I can say Moose is wrong and it doesn't suck. I just don't think you should take that freedom for granted. If you don't like they way things are being run, you should exercise your freedom beyond just complaining about what you don't like. You should use the full extent of your freedom and try and gain a position allowed by the freedoms to change it.
In other countries, you can't complain about it, and you definately can't try to change it. But here you can. If you don't like the way things are going, use the freedom that you have to change it instead of just complaining.
I could be angry at Moose, but he loves the Cap'n so how could I be? :happy:
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 07:51:08 AM
I'm fairly sure there's no law against saying the government sucks in England, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Italy, Norway, etc. etc. A large number of the world's countries employ the concept of Free Speech. In addition, it is actually quite difficult to get a political position to change something in the government without decided that you are going to spend a good amount of your life working your way up the political ladder, serving constituents and helping out other politicians until you become another player in a huge partisan war that encourages voting on party lines.
Our government is far from perfect(So is everyone else's, for that matter). Doesn't mean we suck, but holding ourselves higher than everyone else is a bit much. Well, more than a bit.
Post by: MrMister on January 07, 2007, 08:00:05 AM
If you disagree then you can geeett out![/souf park]
You can't condemn a country because of an incompetent leader.
Your whole 'raping his own freedoms' thing is a little weird, because freedom is uh, not being accepted, but being tolerated.
I'm in sort of a lucid state of mind right now, so this post may look like a lot of scattered thoughts..
but.. cap'n crunch is awesome.. sure it's a little too sugary.. and cuts the roof of your mouth.. but it's still delicious..
also, who knows how many indents are on a golf ball? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
MUAY POINT IS.. Japan is not as good as America in some aspects(ie, the people), but they have some great areas too(fud, hoverboards, talking refridgerators).
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 09:04:37 AM
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I'm fairly sure there's no law against saying the government sucks in England, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Italy, Norway, etc. etc. A large number of the world's countries employ the concept of Free Speech. In addition, it is actually quite difficult to get a political position to change something in the government without decided that you are going to spend a good amount of your life working your way up the political ladder, serving constituents and helping out other politicians until you become another player in a huge partisan war that encourages voting on party lines.
I'm fairly sure there's no law against free speech in South Africa, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Laos, etc, etc. But that still doesn't mean it's a smart idea. A large number of nation's still have oppressive regimes, and until all nations in the world are free, freedom of thought, speech and expression is still a luxury that shouldn't be taken for granted.
I never said political position, I said position of influence which can cause changes. Martin King never had political power, but through his actions he was able to create changes he believed were needed over time. You have the freedom to work for change, but it requires just that: work, and one of the major downsides I will freely admit about America is that we don't WANT to work. We have become a nation where instant gratification is the standard, and unless it is accomplished in 30 seconds, it is someone else's fault for not being done immediately.
Too many people want reform, but once that 6 to 8 weeks peroid is over they feel that they no longer have to work for it, and that everyone else should continue the work for them. Politics aren't needed for change: It's will power, something we are bereft of.
Post by: Razor on January 07, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
People who think Japan is the coolest thing to happen to the world. Yes, you like manga. Yes, they make manga. Get over it.
People who think America is the worst thing to happen to the world (mainly because of either Bush, or because its the cool thing to do).
Yes, they have Bush. Yes, you hate bush. Get over it.
Trying to keep up with this format.
I can't keep it up. I won't keep it up. Get over it.
Feminists.
Bitches can't be happy about anything a man does. Opening the door for the lady is an act of looking down because the poor little woman can't do anything by herself. Not opening the door for the lady is a act of SHEER SEXISM. KILL, KILL! What the **** do you want, feminists? Make up your MINDS!
People who play the race card for EVERYTHING.
Seriously. The Jews were holocaust'D, so now everyone has to treat them nicely. The blacks were enslave'D, so now everyone has to treat them nicely. The native Australians (and Americans for that matter) were killed by the thousands and had their land stolen from them, so now everyone has to treat them EXTRA nicely. Generations later and we're all paying for it. I know these are major important historical events, but last I checked I didn't personally kill anyone.
Gaiaworld.
12 year olds + internet = SERIOUS BUSINESS. Someone really needs to DDOS them everyday.
Sweating.
Sure, we evolved (yes, evolved) sweat glands as a cooling system, but why do we have to smell bad while doing it?
Creationism, Intellegent Design, and that one where supposedly the eye had to be made because it couldn't possibly have evolved that way. I think that was actually Intellegent Design.
Sure, I'm probably overstepping boundaries here, but seriously. We have SCIENCE. It explains things, with better answers and more logic than "God did it". Seriously. It's like, God is the excuse for things you don't know or something. "Well I can't quite understand how the appendix has come to be from a mass of cells, so I'll just say God did it. Now to snort some more cocaine bought with this big grant from the government!"
Scientology.
Has nothing to do with science at all! In fact, out of all the religions, this is probably the furtherest from science! However, it is closest to science fiction. Makes you think. Or not.
Religion in general.
Does more harm then good. The Crusades, anyone? Or all (maybe not ALL) the wars in the middle east? Don't get me started on the bible, either. Or those people who take some parts of the bible to extreme lengths, and ignore other parts. IIRC, it mentions things like "women shouldn't talk unless spoken to" and "black people SHOULD be slaves".
****. I go on about a lot of things.
But dayum, that felt good.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 07, 2007, 12:09:00 PM
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one of the major downsides I will freely admit about America is that we don't WANT to work.
You hit the nail on the head. I actually love america for many reasons, but it's not in human nature to go out of their way for others, and I think that many americans just have too much to lose by going against their instincts. Let's face it, global warming, the steady polution of the planet, facts have shown that you're the main contributors by far. Apparently it's not in your economic interest to address these issues >.>
It's weird, I was in America years ago, and your news channels showed little or no news outside America. It made you seem incredibly insular, and conversations with Gary have enforced that. A conversation with an american about pollution or something generally is met by either "Oh dear, oh well", "I don't believe you" or "I don't care". In fact, the latter is the american attitude on a frightening number of things (I'm looking at you, Rev XD).
My rant isn't soley about America though. I hate each and every individual burning and cutting down the rainforest, be they american or whatever country. Common sense tells me that many people do this because they have no other means to live; but I'm afraid far too many just don't care that the most awesome parts of the world are being killed.
It all ties into the incurable and fatal problem with the world, which ZKX just said. No-one wants to work. I know I don't want to work >.> . Like a river we'll always take the easiest way and that just happens to be right over the top of other people unfortunately. There's a system that has appeared in the world, a social system, although maybe it has always existed- to be looked upon with respect, more often than not you have to put someone else down. Like there's a huge ladder and you have to continually kick the lower people off their rungs to remain in place, or pull the person above you down to take theirs. No-ones going to bother finding another way up if you can stand on other people's heads.
That's why I come to charas, actually. there's a little of that going on, but with a bit of will power you can avoid it.
Soo... that's basically my rant in a mash. There's little things I also dislike but they're unimportant in the general scheme of things.
Post by: Weregnome on January 07, 2007, 01:48:23 PM
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Kinda sad, because I still have a lot of anger for you and your ever-so-slightly ignorant generalizations (Well, that and all the hate that was there before[PS I really don't particularly like Cap'n Crunch, but it was a good opportunity for a bit of humor so I took it. Cereal in general sucks.])
I'm fairly sure there's no law against saying the government sucks in England, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Italy, Norway, etc. etc. A large number of the world's countries employ the concept of Free Speech. In addition, it is actually quite difficult to get a political position to change something in the government without decided that you are going to spend a good amount of your life working your way up the political ladder, serving constituents and helping out other politicians until you become another player in a huge partisan war that encourages voting on party lines.
Our government is far from perfect(So is everyone else's, for that matter). Doesn't mean we suck, but holding ourselves higher than everyone else is a bit much. Well, more than a bit.
I think we make more jokes and complaints about the government in Aus then we do anything else (except talk about cricket, we love talking about cricket).
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Religion in general.
Does more harm then good. The Crusades, anyone? Or all (maybe not ALL) the wars in the middle east? Don't get me started on the bible, either. Or those people who take some parts of the bible to extreme lengths, and ignore other parts. IIRC, it mentions things like "women shouldn't talk unless spoken to" and "black people SHOULD be slaves".
Actually it isn't religion as such thats the problem. The big problem is religion is usually used to sheild what is really going on. For instance, the Crusades was more a political thing then actually religion. However, they overshadowed the goal of the Holy Lands for the means of taking the precious lands of the Middle Easterns. In addition, many other ploys, wheather political or religious, usually overshadow truths. Iraq for instance, and even other wars overshadow many secret government projects or objectives.
Post by: Archem on January 07, 2007, 03:58:55 PM
Post by: Dominicy on January 07, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
all I was saying was that america is not the best country in the world contrary to popular belief. I wasn't doing anything bad. according to america, its my right. (unless speak to parents. jkjk) so bring on the evil DOOM style assassins, I'm ready. :vampire:
EDIT: and now I leave for good, cause I'm not going to get myself tied into this, I have better things to do. but one last thing, religion is not stupid infact its just about the most important thing in my life. I probably could not live without it.
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 06:31:16 PM
When people cite Martin Luther King Jr. as an example that anyone can make a difference, it makes me want to bang my head against the table, because my stance is this: Martin Luther King Jr. was an excellent public speaker. He had the ability to change the minds of thousands of people because he knew what to say and when to say it. I, on the other hand, don't. I abhor public speaking; my gift is in programming, so why can't I do that instead?
My ideas of a better society coming true would be nice, but it's not as important (And does not have as likely a success rate) as following my natural gift and becoming a good programmer. The logic is that my chances at being a programmer are way better for me than my chances at starting a public movement on *anything*.
As for ZeroKirby, my point was that you pushing America above every other country because "We have free speech and anyone can change stuff if they try hard" is a bullshit reason because there's a large amount of countries in the world where you can do the same thing.
Post by: Archem on January 07, 2007, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 06:41:26 PM
If there is one thing I don't like, it's when a nerd is EXTREMELY nerdy, and he feels like he has to drag you down because
A.) You're nice to him.
B.) You have similar interests.
Here's one situation. I sit next to this kid in history. He found out I like videogames from one of my English teachers.
He insists on other people calling him "Dragoon," his entire clique of nerds tried to start an entire videogame club and went around the school cosplaying to advertise it, he tries WAY to hard to be funny and ends up being extremely annoying, he smells, he is really fat and he and his friend don't even play in PE (I once saw him playing Yu-Gi-Oh in Gym Class Basketball WTF?), and what's worse is that he's advertising to people that we're friends just because I'm a little nerdy too.
I don't even know this kid's last name. Even if I don't call him a nerd and try to be nice to him, he's not that great of a guy. He whines a lot, he's conceded (that's an oxymoron), and I just don't like the guy.
I hate cliques. I always try to have friends that are different from me. It's just annoying...
Post by: Emerates on January 07, 2007, 07:16:14 PM
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Religion often gets in the way of God.
Why can't we all listen to the lead singer of the world's most popular Irish rock band? People made a church based around Bono's words, so why can't we all listen to him?
(Idunno, everyone was talking about religion, so there's something for you to laugh at while you're clutching your bong.)
In regards to the efficacy of your epitaph, I must say that the weight of your words bear down upon me like the entirety of the sky coming down upon a single ant.
Post by: Revolution911 on January 07, 2007, 07:33:13 PM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Meis, go give your failing child head.
I still think America is the best country, but as far as foreign countries go Germany is at the top of the list.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! no. america is lead by an idiot. has the most trash output, has the most output that will destroy the atmosphere, a HUGE percent of its people being fat football fanatics sitting in their chair being potato head with a neck. so, funny joke, but a-no.[/B]
This is exactly why America kicks ***. Not cause the leaders or trash or anything, because we're disrespectful and dont give a **** about other countries opinions. Thats one badass mother****er of a country if you as me. Im completely serious when I say that. I dont even support the war or any of this. Infact I dont like bush either. But all these countries told us to not go to war. What did we do? Went to war. Once again, I dont support it, but that takes some serious scrotum fillers. And pricks like you have been saying **** like that since the beginning of time, yet we dont care. Im gunna assume you live in America, yet you're calling yourself german. It doesent work like that. You LIVE in America. You're just as American as you are German. Except guess what, YOU'RE NOT JAPANESE. JAPAN DOESENT WANT YOU FAGS. You're exactly the type of person I was talking about.
Besides, you're a Nazi.(Joke)
Sorry for any anger, but its a rant thread. Get off my back.
In Response to Razor:
Ya know, I troll Gaia. Make a thread about how asians suck, they go crazy.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 08:02:38 PM
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As for ZeroKirby, my point was that you pushing America above every other country because "We have free speech and anyone can change stuff if they try hard" is a ******** reason because there's a large amount of countries in the world where you can do the same thing.
Saying that because other countries have it makes my reason bullshit, is, ironically enough, bullshit. Sure, a large number of countries have it, but on the other side of that coin a large number don't. I don't push America above other countries for any reason, I'm not that arrogant. Just because I give a reason that a country is great doesn't mean I'm pushing it above all others.
Germany makes the best sausage! O NOES! I JUST PUSHED GERMANY UP BECAUSE OF IT'S SAUSAGE!
Japan is great because of it's technological advancements! O NOES! I JUST PUSHED JAPAN UP BECAUSE OF IT'S COMPUTERS!
That's pretty much what you're saying I'm doing, which may I add, is bullshit.
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Moose, maybe if you would stop looking at everything word for word and possibly think beyond what is written, you would understand that by using MK as an example, I obviously didn't mean you can ONLY be a speaker. Try and find implications, the point was that if you work hard enough and try to put yourself in a position that can create change, you can do it. You're a programmer, fine. PROGRAM SOMETHING. Be it a video, animation, virus, whatever. All you have to do is discover the best way to go about it and WORK AT IT.
If your goal is to become a programmer with no intention of envoking change, then stop complaining. You are further enforcing what I say to be an evdential truth: You want change, but don't want to work for it yourself. If you aren't willing to work for changes you complain and think should be made, stop complaining. It's the same as me whining and telling everyone I'm hungry. I could easily cook food, but I don't, yet I still continue to whine about being hungry. That's bullshit.
Post by: coasterkrazy on January 07, 2007, 08:39:29 PM
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Originally posted by Razor
People who play the race card for EVERYTHING.
Seriously. The Jews were holocaust'D, so now everyone has to treat them nicely. The blacks were enslave'D, so now everyone has to treat them nicely. The native Australians (and Americans for that matter) were killed by the thousands and had their land stolen from them, so now everyone has to treat them EXTRA nicely. Generations later and we're all paying for it. I know these are major important historical events, but last I checked I didn't personally kill anyone.
I hate:
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
Lol, I had to say it. :p
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Creationism, Intellegent Design, and that one where supposedly the eye had to be made because it couldn't possibly have evolved that way. I think that was actually Intellegent Design.
Sure, I'm probably overstepping boundaries here, but seriously. We have SCIENCE. It explains things, with better answers and more logic than "God did it". Seriously. It's like, God is the excuse for things you don't know or something. "Well I can't quite understand how the appendix has come to be from a mass of cells, so I'll just say God did it. Now to snort some more cocaine bought with this big grant from the government!"
On a more serious note, I feel many people who believe in this are misunderstood, and also that many people who believe don't understand exactly why they believe it. Indeed, there are many people like the ones you describe, who are looking for a how and can't figure it out so they say "God did it."
Well, I hope this doesn't sound too controversial or egocentric, but I take a world religions class in school, and I feel my teacher is at such a higher level than this school of thought and that I am at least close to that too. To quote my teacher, "Sometimes one needs a good story more than food to survive." Now, at this point you may be thinking, "WTF is he talking about and how does that relate?" And you are correct in thinking so, at this point.
If we look at history and the role religion has played in it, it may include what you were talking about because science wasn't so advanced at the time. But also included is purpose. Purpose isn't so much the how, but the why. I respect science and find that the discoveries made in it are often invaluable, but I seperate sciene from religion. They just aren't the same, and people too often attempt to put them on the same plain. I use religion as a catalyst to channel my being and feeling into a form that I can comprehend. What matters to me is not if I can explain it to other people, but that I can believe it. If I can explain anything it's explaining that I find a way to explain to myself, and you can too. I won't get into this any further, as I could go on much longer with ways to reveal yourself to yourself.
I consider this on topic enough because I was ranting about what I don't like about people who strongly side with religion or science.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 08:53:40 PM
People constantly say how the seven days theory is a metaphor, well, why can't man and the garden of eden be a metaphor? Is it possible that the only reason it is said that "God created man" is because at the time saying "God created a microscopic lifeform that we can't see or hear or taste or smell and won't be able to even know of for 1000's of years" was harder to believe? You betcha.
Post by: MrMister on January 07, 2007, 09:34:43 PM
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Originally posted by coasterkrazy
I hate:
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
"Hebrew."
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 09:36:05 PM
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Originally posted by coasterkrazy
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
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Jewish is actualy a race...
and ZKX the two theiories can not go together. if you go deeper into both they start controdicting each other
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
Edit.
I think a person can believe in both Evolution and Intelligent Design. Sure they contradict a bit, but there is evidence in the bible for Evolution too.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 09:41:25 PM
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Originally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazy
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
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Jewish is actualy a race...
and ZKX the two theiories can not go together. if you go deeper into both they start controdicting each other[/B]
How, explain it to me. You don't have to believe every aspect of everything, for blind faith is just proof of ignorance. I believe that we evolved from something, but I believe God made whatever it was we evolved from, and as I said, even if you believe there is no God and believe in something such as the big bang, tell me, where did that which created the big bang come from? No matter how far back you go, you have the question of "What created that?" I believe that at the end of the chain there is God. God wasn't created, nothing made God, he simply is. God, to me, is absolute.
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 09:42:48 PM
ZKX evolution has many flaws like ones you stated but, you can beileve what ever you want but if its not true there will be flaws. Blind faith is also something that is sometimes necisary for things that can not be proven, it matters what kind of "God" you believe in, but the biblical God it states He created man in his image. And yeah i agree that God wasn't created.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 07, 2007, 09:50:44 PM
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 09:51:06 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Saying that because other countries have it makes my reason bullshit, is, ironically enough, bullshit. Sure, a large number of countries have it, but on the other side of that coin a large number don't. I don't push America above other countries for any reason, I'm not that arrogant. Just because I give a reason that a country is great doesn't mean I'm pushing it above all others.
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I still think America is the best country, but as far as foreign countries go Germany is at the top of the list.
You could confirm that with, "I was saying that was my opinion, not that it was fact," but at that point you'd be an argument should just end - you can't debate over two opinions if one of them says that it's an opinion and thus can't be included.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Moose, maybe if you would stop looking at everything word for word and possibly think beyond what is written, you would understand that by using MK as an example, I obviously didn't mean you can ONLY be a speaker. Try and find implications, the point was that if you work hard enough and try to put yourself in a position that can create change, you can do it. You're a programmer, fine. PROGRAM SOMETHING. Be it a video, animation, virus, whatever. All you have to do is discover the best way to go about it and WORK AT IT.
If your goal is to become a programmer with no intention of envoking change, then stop complaining. You are further enforcing what I say to be an evdential truth: You want change, but don't want to work for it yourself. If you aren't willing to work for changes you complain and think should be made, stop complaining. It's the same as me whining and telling everyone I'm hungry. I could easily cook food, but I don't, yet I still continue to whine about being hungry. That's bullshit.
My intention is to become a programmer and improve the programming world *hopefully* (Chances of that are almost as low as my chances of making a difference in the government). Seperate from that, I'd like it if the world would change for the better, but I recognize that my ability to make that change is severely limited. The only way I can think of using programming to spread a message to others and try to make change is by making a videogame that provides a criticism of something, say, a game where you play a soldier who is persecuted for disobeying orders so he could save a child's life - that would probably alter a few opinions on the policies of the military, but programmers are 99.5% of the time never the one to initiate production of a videogame.
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
I forgot the exact verses, but I think it was Genisis, Chapter 4 and the Cain and Able story. After Cain killed Able, God gave him a mark of evil. I think Cain said he was afraid other men would kill him. The key is the other men. These could be (The retarded fish-monkeys a la South Park), or they could not.
There was also a verse where Cain went to the land of Nod and took a wife. This could be another daughter of Adam & Eve, or it could mean there were humans who had evolved onto that point.
I said that there was evidence, not "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG lol u r teh suxxors rotflol..." so it could be either way. It's what you believe.
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 10:05:42 PM
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 10:13:11 PM
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 10:17:53 PM
I'm almost agreeing with you, except I believe the two can go together.
I'm gonna stop talking about it.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 10:30:26 PM
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but at that point you'd be an argument should just end
Please rephrase that to make sense.
I wasn't arguing/debating over whether or not America is, in my opinion, the best country. I was debating over the REASON I think it is. Slight difference there.
Post by: coasterkrazy on January 07, 2007, 10:40:53 PM
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Originally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazy
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
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Jewish is actualy a race...
and ZKX the two theiories can not go together. if you go deeper into both they start controdicting each other[/B]
Depends on how you define race. If you define race as ethnicity or religion, then yes, it is a race. But the general idea of race is all based on skin color. For example, African-American is more often considered a race then, say, German.
@MM: Razor said Jewish, didn't he?
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 10:43:49 PM
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Originally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazy
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
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Jewish is actualy a race...
and ZKX the two theiories can not go together. if you go deeper into both they start controdicting each other[/B]
Depends on how you define race. If you define race as ethnicity or religion, then yes, it is a race. But the general idea of race is all based on skin color. For example, African-American is more often considered a race then, say, German.
@MM: Razor said Jewish, didn't he?[/B]
Color of skin doesn't make some one a certain race, color of skin is hardly related with race
Post by: Archem on January 07, 2007, 10:46:11 PM
My views on religion:
I'm technically Catholic. Better add to that that I'm the worst Catholic ever. I believe in God, I believe that religion is used as a way to apply a set of moral standards and to help bring us above violent, lawless masses, but I also disbelieve in most of the teachings of the church. Corruption has a heavy hand in religion, and even if not today, then in the past, where none questioned the many "modifications" to the Bible.
I'm also not stupid. I believe in natural selection and evolution, and I don't believe that religion is grounds to create holy wars and conflicts. I feel like starting a new religion where the basics of religion are used, and where irrational thoughts are vetoed from the future itterations of my religion. God created us, and God let things go from there. Not much else to it, evolution can be counted as part of intelligent design, morality is a thing for all people, and faith keeps us from falling into a state of panic. And in the end, believing in God is insurance: If he doesn't exist, my ideal religion means you haven't wasted opportunities worshiping him, but if he's real, then on to heaven you go. I'm also set to either believe or disbelieve in God once enough solid proof is provided, but that hasn't happened, and I doubt it ever will happen.
In the end religion, whether worthwhile or not, was still made to give the faithless faith, the hopeless hope, and the immoral a set of decency. I'm in religion mostly for what it provides, rather than buying a stairway to heaven. Plus, it gives me peace of mind to know that something's helping out our pathetic race from falling apart, even if in ideas only.
Sorry for the rant.
Post by: coasterkrazy on January 07, 2007, 10:48:23 PM
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Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
EDIT: Sorry, I rephrase "it's where the word racist comes from." I meant more along the lines of, it's what racist is. If someone calls a hater of Jews racist, they're technically incorrect, as the correct word would be anti-semitic.
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 10:54:17 PM
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Originally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" ;)
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 10:54:20 PM
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QuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
[There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
Race is supposed to come from whatever area/country/geographical region/etc. you come from. There are just people who generalize too much.
BTW, Archem wins again.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 11:09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" ;) [/B]
No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.
Post by: Archem on January 07, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
...BTW, Archem wins again.
I know, I think I should join the debate club at my school before I graduate. I wonder if it's too late?
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 11:14:15 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" ;) [/B]
No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]
geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
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Originally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" ;) [/B]
No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]
geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.[/B]
The point of this debate is that if you have a certain skin color, you are of a certain race. If you are white, but have a recessive black gene, that STILL MEANS that you are part european. It doesn't matter what is recessive and what's dominant, if you are of a certain color, you are of a certain race. OBVIOUSLY this isn't taking into account albinos or those with pigmentation disorders.
Recap: If you display a trait, you still bear it, meaning you are that trait that is dominant, and whatever the hell is recessive doesn't matter.
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 11:27:29 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21QuoteOriginally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race
You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.
There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" ;) [/B]
No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]
geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.[/B]
The point of this debate is that if you have a certain skin color, you are of a certain race. If you are white, but have a recessive black gene, that STILL MEANS that you are part european. It doesn't matter what is recessive and what's dominant, if you are of a certain color, you are of a certain race. OBVIOUSLY this isn't taking into account albinos or those with pigmentation disorders.
Recap: If you display a trait, you still bear it, meaning you are that trait that is dominant, and whatever the hell is recessive doesn't matter.[/B]
o so very true, but you can be multiple races
Post by: Osmose on January 07, 2007, 11:29:23 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuotebut at that point you'd be an argument should just end
Please rephrase that to make sense.
I wasn't arguing/debating over whether or not America is, in my opinion, the best country. I was debating over the REASON I think it is. Slight difference there.[/B]
"but at that point an argument should just end". Corrected.
I was arguing over the same thing - your opinion is that America is the best country because it's got freedom of speech, among several other reasons, I assume, and I was arguing that it is a horrible reason because a large number of countries have that same freedom and aren't, as you said, strictly headed regimes that disallow the use of it even if in principle they give it to the people.
Post by: coasterkrazy on January 07, 2007, 11:33:22 PM
Really though, ZKX articulated that well. Spike, you posted your pic in the picture thread, and you didn't really look black to me... more like what you said, caucasian, which is, as ZKX said, white. It was just a darker tone, like my friend from South America. So I guess from this examination, you're right on some level about skin color, because there can be variations within a certain race (for example, mediterranean olive still being considered white), but skin color is a general main component of race, regardless of what about said about "generalizations." Without generalizations, there wouldn't be any specifics. Caucasian is a specific.
EDIT: Just saw your newest post. Explain what you mean.
EDIT 2: No, wait, you're right in a sense. Like a person whose parents are different races. In that case, you have to pick one box when stating your race, as I've heard from someone who was spanish and black and was going to fill in both.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 07, 2007, 11:37:56 PM
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Originally posted by OsmoseQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuotebut at that point you'd be an argument should just end
Please rephrase that to make sense.
I wasn't arguing/debating over whether or not America is, in my opinion, the best country. I was debating over the REASON I think it is. Slight difference there.[/B]
"but at that point an argument should just end". Corrected.
I was arguing over the same thing - your opinion is that America is the best country because it's got freedom of speech, among several other reasons, I assume, and I was arguing that it is a horrible reason because a large number of countries have that same freedom and aren't, as you said, strictly headed regimes that disallow the use of it even if in principle they give it to the people.[/B]
Ahhh, thanks fer clearin it up. I never said that there weren't other countries in the world that had the same freedoms. I said that there are just as many countries out there that DON'T have that freedom that other countries do, and saying that my reason is invalid because there are other free countries is a horrible reason because there are just as many non-free countries.
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o so very true, but you can be multiple races
Which isn't the point at all. The point is that if you display a skin color, you are at least SOME PART of the race that is identified by that color. I'd already said this. The argument is over if you're black whether or not you're part african, which is true, not over what kind of hodgepodge you are.
Post by: coasterkrazy on January 07, 2007, 11:40:20 PM
http://www.hudclips.org/sub_nonhud/cgi/pdfforms/27061.pdf
If that doesn't say anything, I don't know what will.
This has been a really long sub-topic...
Post by: Spike21 on January 07, 2007, 11:42:50 PM
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I was starting to think I was going crazy...
Really though, ZKX articulated that well. Spike, you posted your pic in the picture thread, and you didn't really look black to me... more like what you said, caucasian, which is, as ZKX said, white. It was just a darker tone, like my friend from South America. So I guess from this examination, you're right on some level about skin color, because there can be variations within a certain race (for example, mediterranean olive still being considered white), but skin color is a general main component of race, regardless of what about said about "generalizations." Without generalizations, there wouldn't be any specifics. Caucasian is a specific.
EDIT: Just saw your newest post. Explain what you mean.
EDIT 2: No, wait, you're right in a sense. Like a person whose parents are different races. In that case, you have to pick one box when stating your race, as I've heard from someone who was spanish and black and was going to fill in both.
On my sat i check of both black and white, both of my parents are diffrent races (white and black)
Post by: Darrellito on January 07, 2007, 11:47:56 PM
Edit: And if so, wouldn't you be Milado not Cacasuin?
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 07, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
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Don't they call that 'Milado' or something like that?
Mulatto/Mulato.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 08, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
Post by: Darrellito on January 08, 2007, 01:08:03 AM
Caucasion - White
Asian (And that includes all of those other countries like Vietnam, Siam, Etc.)
Hispanic - commenly refured to as mexican or cuban
Native American - Indian
Actual Indians - (Not to be confused with arabs)
Arabs - (This is just a rough generalization of the arab
nation
Religions: Christanity (Including all it's sub divisons)
Saitanism (Rare, but it's there. Google church of satan)
Jewdism (Christanity without the new testament)
Buddism
Shintoism
Islam
Native American practices
Private Tribe practices (I don't know if they still do it,
but in case someone knows something that i don't)
So, yeah being Jewish can go two ways: Practicing the Jewish faith or hailing from Jerusalim. And by no way does where you live tell your race. I could live in America and be an American, and then move to Canida and then be Canadian.
Post by: Razor on January 08, 2007, 01:28:30 AM
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Ya know, I troll Gaia. Make a thread about how asians suck, they go crazy.
You are a great man, sir. I salute you.
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I hate:
People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
Sure they are. Look at Eugene Levy. He's white. But he's also a Jew.
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I'm 100% concuring with Razor in this thread.
Hells yeah! High five!
Serious business: Half this thread is about America, thanks to Moose and Kirby, and the other half is religion and jews, thanks to me?
Post by: MrMister on January 08, 2007, 01:34:03 AM
Post by: Revolution911 on January 08, 2007, 01:38:33 AM
Post by: Darrellito on January 08, 2007, 01:43:12 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 08, 2007, 01:45:37 AM
Post by: Revolution911 on January 08, 2007, 01:46:22 AM
Post by: Razor on January 08, 2007, 02:21:50 AM
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You know what i really hate? Emos. They act like they got the worlds problems all on there god damn shoulders, when really all they got is who are they gonna take to prom or some insignifigant **** like that. I hate there high pitched girly music that they all sing, like they're trying to relate to teens. I mean like the guys in My Chemical Romance and Deathcab for Cutie and all those other gay emo bands are like twenty-something and are trying to 'touch' our nation's youth. Seriously, all those manic depressives out there need to say yes to suicide.
OMFG how could I forget emos in my rant?
+5 points of some kind to Darrellito
Post by: MrMister on January 08, 2007, 02:24:36 AM
Come on, even making fun of people that make fun of emos is getting kind of old. I knew this patch of the internet was like a year behind.. but.. come on!
Post by: Darrellito on January 08, 2007, 02:29:17 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 08, 2007, 02:36:49 AM
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Making fun of emos.. Are we that trendy?
Come on, even making fun of people that make fun of emos is getting kind of old. I knew this patch of the internet was like a year behind.. but.. come on!
Well, Charas is like Texas. Every fad comes here a year behind. Ask Archem, he knows what I mean.
Post by: Archem on January 08, 2007, 03:23:08 AM
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 08, 2007, 04:27:54 AM
Luckly, charas is Japanese free.
Post by: Weregnome on January 08, 2007, 08:21:55 AM
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Caucasian doesn't mean white. Technically Indians are Caucasian, but they have brown skin.
Actually Caucasian refers to the original white people which were located in Europe. The word Negro comes from Negroid which was the original black people of Africa. You have mongoloid (sp?0 which is the orignal asian/eskimo look and Australiod which refers to the black look of Australian aboringials, islanders and people from countries like pakistan and india.
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Originally posted by DarrellitoYou know what i really hate? Emos. They act like they got the worlds problems all on there god damn shoulders, when really all they got is who are they gonna take to prom or some insignifigant **** like that. I hate there high pitched girly music that they all sing, like they're trying to relate to teens. I mean like the guys in My Chemical Romance and Deathcab for Cutie and all those other gay emo bands are like twenty-something and are trying to 'touch' our nation's youth. Seriously, all those manic depressives out there need to say yes to suicide.
Emos aren't actualyl bad at all. I quite enjoy alot of emo music. Its people who take the fad to extremes that should be put back into their place. Also, I was once was a manic depressant of sorts, for well over a year. **** you about the suicide thing, cos you don't know ****. I ain't emo, but **** I whoel what depressions like. Next time, you may wanna thing about what you're gonna say before you say it.
Post by: Darrellito on January 08, 2007, 08:29:02 PM
Edit: Also, freedom of the internet. Say what you want without thinking.
Post by: elementalhero76 on January 08, 2007, 09:07:42 PM
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Well, I feel the same way (about the japan-wannabees). But what's worse is the people who TRY to be like that, and FAIL. I'm talking about the people who only talk about the Cartoon Network adopted animes and buying into th recent wave of Hot Topic-carried anime-themed clothing. These people need to get a ****ing life!
[rant]I truly hate the recent anti-video game movement that politicians and lawyers have been campaigning. There is no proof showing any increase in violence of violent tendancies that stem from playing video games. Quite the opposite, in fact. If these **** HEADS would look into this they'd know that the trend of violent acts has significantly DECREASED over the past thirty years. Not all video games are bad, either. These crusades suggest that every game has a negative impact on society, but as any gamer would know, this is untrue. A majority of games are either nonviolent or have lower levels of violent acts than those found in more voilent games.
A lot of bullshit "facts" are slung around as well. One of the more common ones is that you are forced to kill characters or objects that reflect virtuous or important things or people in real life. More often than not, htis is untrue, as there are alternatives, and you are often punished, not rewarded for these acts. Most of the time, these options are added for increased freedom, not as a cynical reward system.
"Violence in games is training our kids to recreate these kind of things in real life." This is easily disproven, and no facts exist to found it. Most people who play games claim to play violent ones for the same reason as nonviolent ones, which is, for fun. And even those who do play based on some real-life phenomenon play in a fantasy world do their acts there so that no people are actually harmed. It's equally effective at reducing stress and burning off steam than taking a gun to a preson's head. And the idea of LOSING TOUCH WITH WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT'S A VIDEO GAME is rediculous! There are many and many a difference between what is and what is not, and there are few similarities held universally among games of violent origin.
It has been said that DOOM was used to train the students who staged the Columbine shooting, but let's think rationally: DOOM would be very useless in such a situation because no student or teacher would be firing rockets or plasma rifle fire at the attackers, and an empty map would be the same as blueprints or pictures in the plannig stages of the attack. And the thought of making a 3D world is possible in many ways with many programs, most of which are much more advanced and much easier to aquire today than in the past. Most of these kind of programs don't even have anything to DO with violence!
Violence is not sent into the thought process of a person by playing a video game, it's ingrained into our minds by instinct! Take any and all conflicts in the middle east, for example. Do any of those extensive violent acts have anything to do with video games? No! Let's predate video games: Where did the idea of extreme violence come from during World War II? The Vietnam Conflict? The FRENCH ****ing REBELLION?!! And what about music, books, and movies? These days, all those have violence involved, at least to some level. It's the same as any video game, that they're divided by content and levels of graphic content. Most voilence tied to a form of media is related to movies, not games! But let's not single out movies now, let's expand to books. In such timeless classics as Edgar Allan Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart, the main character murders the generous old man who shelters him, and for no reason other than his interesting eye! Or John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, George kills Lenny, but only because Lenny kills another character. Surely the circumstances of these murders are quite different and emotional, but the idea of violence is still held strong.
Video games, like most other violence-containing media, is rated and given warnings about its content if it is objectable. In the United States, there is a LAW that states that video games that have aquired an M rating can only be bought by individuals of the age 17 or more, and MUST show a form of identification. At this point, violence commited by the user is unavoidable, because if the user is of a young age, then the parent is at fault for introducing such a violent work into the hands of the impressionable and moldable minds of children. If the user is above the age requirement, then it is the user's fault for unreasonably attempting fictional actions in real life, but then again, at that age, the violence is still unavoidable because the user would have to be mentally unstable or previously criminally inclined to try out such an act anyways.
Violence doesn't exist solely in video games, and violence doesn't stem exclusively from video games. But given the recent news coverage due to their reenactable and sometimes coincidental, unfamiliar, and (as a natural result of instinct) untrusted stand-point, they are singled out ans made a scapegoat. And I am against that, and I can see the truth.
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EDIT: Lordy, but there were quite a many new posts since the start of writing this post. Minor touch-ups were neccessary to make parts of this post relevant.
My dad is a pussy assed politacal(sp?) rightest that hates everything that i like (anime videogames computers rpgs My very few friends etc. And if I had a girlfriend he'd hate her too!) And about the POLYHICS (get it a bunch of hics?) I love this country but I can't see it lasting for another century. But since I plan to be an engineer I may travel to see the rest of the world. (when I made money of course.) I may even live in Japan where all the opportunity with engineeering will be. Sorry folks they are economically and technlgicaly over advanced from us and if they get rid of atiny part in their constitution they will and can have nukes Bye Bye end of story! P.s don't worry they will be saving our *** one day not kicking it.
I liked your quote even though I didn't at all respond to it.
Oh and you idiots at the beginning of this thread, don't make fun of foreign names! What if they made fun of yours?
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 09, 2007, 12:49:17 AM
My names Silas, m'kay? I have a rather large dimple in the center of my chin. I am a descendant from a redneck family. They can say ANYTHING about my name, appearance, or ideals. It doesn't make their names any less funny.
Think of it this way though. Every advancement Japan is famous for is originally based off an American/European invention. Computers? Us. Cars? Europe. Electicity? Us and Europe. You know WHY Japan has no nukes? Because we kicked their *** so hard in WWII that we were damn near close to making Japan an American colony, because we pwnd them so hard. Trust me, even if the American people or even it's government are behind Japan, our military sure as hell isn't. The US military was using computers AT LEAST 20 years before they were even HEARD OF.
Japan is full of pussies, look at their little queers they call rockers. 'Nuff said.
Post by: Archem on January 09, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
*claps*
[Posted via Wii]
Post by: Osmose on January 09, 2007, 01:02:02 AM
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Wow ehero. Razor was right about you and shovels.
My names Silas, m'kay? I have a rather large dimple in the center of my chin. I am a descendant from a redneck family. They can say ANYTHING about my name, appearance, or ideals. It doesn't make their names any less funny.
Think of it this way though. Every advancement Japan is famous for is originally based off an American/European invention. Computers? Us. Cars? Europe. Electicity? Us and Europe. You know WHY Japan has no nukes? Because we kicked their *** so hard in WWII that we were damn near close to making Japan an American colony, because we pwnd them so hard. Trust me, even if the American people or even it's government are behind Japan, our military sure as hell isn't. The US military was using computers AT LEAST 20 years before they were even HEARD OF.
Japan is full of pussies, look at their little queers they call rockers. 'Nuff said.
I'd write off something as ridiculous as this as pure sarcasm, but I really can't because he could be serious about this.
The fact that you discovered(not invented) electricity gives you no right to say that everything that stems from that isn't as great as your discovery - by that logic, cavemen are greater than anything we can ever achieve because they discovered fire and the wheel.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 09, 2007, 01:08:53 AM
But yes, caveman do kick our asses. Let's see you rip through animal carcass. Whuzzat? You don't have that kind of jaw? Whatta shame.
Now stop bein' such a dickhead Moose, please.
Post by: elementalhero76 on January 09, 2007, 01:43:40 AM
Who controls congress? Guess Fool! Give up? The people that vote. So the people have control the military over their power to vote! Sure we kicked Japan's *** but with war you make friends if there was no other way to make friends in the first place.
In the Japanese constitution drafted by us of course. Their is a clause in an admendmant. It reads somthing like this (ill try to be as accurate as possible) : 'The japanese people no longer renounce the right of the use of a military to start war.' This does not mean they can't defend themselves they can use their military to help others and keep enemies from destroying them. That's how they got into the not so popular war right now. Now with the North Koreans looming over them they can and will be able to dissolve the sixty year old clause from their constitution to bulid a nuke to defend against Korea. And you no why the Japanese work so hard and have no play time? (all work and no play make jack a dull boy.) Look at us in the US. We are nothing but football watching couch potatoes and take all our freedoms for granted. Don't you remember we all were under someone's rule 200+ years ago? Sure that is ancient history, but we are still fighting to keep that freddom that we got so long ago. You better believe it! People hate us not because of our freedoms, they hate us because we take it for granted without knowing why we have it!
Hmm I have nothing else to say. If I offended anyone I don't give a **** because I was hurt and offended more times in my life than you or anyone can imagine. I can't care about everyone anymore I am spent. I try to be nice and get stepped on? No more. No more.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 09, 2007, 01:56:04 AM
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Hmm I have nothing else to say. If I offended anyone I don't give a **** because I was hurt and offended more times in my life than you or anyone can imagine. I can't care about everyone anymore I am spent. I try to be nice and get stepped on? No more. No more.
If only I could transfer the feeling of roaring laughter over the internet, I SO would. Go cut yourself emo-boy.
At this point, the military is self-sufficient, face it. We have enough tanks and weapons to live without funding. Where'd the funding come from? "$20,000 for a hammer, $30,000 for a toilet seat" Only an idiot thinks that the military and government are actually connected. No matter what you see, they never will be. Call it conspiracy, call it ranting, but it' the truth. The military holds the power, and if you'd look to the past of your own favored country, you'd see that. During Dubbuya Dubbaya Too the country was run by it's military, and the same thing is going on here, we're just much less open about it.
Yes, I'm a conspiracy nut. Just wait, sooner or later it will be proven. Area 51 anyone?
By the way, high five if you can identify that quote.
Post by: Darrellito on January 09, 2007, 02:07:05 AM
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Post by: Osmose on January 09, 2007, 02:32:08 AM
As for North Korea, I believe it's China that is trying to figure out what to do, not Japan - China shares the border with them.
Oh, and the President and Congress do, in fact, have control over the army even today. Even if you write off funding (which you can't really - ever wonder why people are always complaining about they didn't have the funds to put good armor on their vehicles? At least, that was a big news thing a while back.), the fact remains that the President is commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
According to the War Powers Resolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Act_of_1973) and Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_1:_Command_of_military.3B_Opinions_of_cabinet_secretaries.3B_Pardons), the President, as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States," has the authority to send troops into battle, but requires the approval of Congress to keep those troops there for more than 60 days (90 if he gets an extension). If Congress does not approve of any hostile action (charity missions and such do not come under this requirement, I believe) that the military takes, the military is legally required to withdraw.
Yay for AP Government. Otherwise I'd be ignorant. :D
Post by: elementalhero76 on January 09, 2007, 02:40:06 AM
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Post by: Archem on January 09, 2007, 03:00:24 AM
Post by: Osmose on January 09, 2007, 03:02:34 AM
However, there is hardly any group opinion to just pull out immediately. The new Democrats in Congress have said repeatedly that they are there to discuss new possibilities and several other plans besides simply withdrawing at once are being proposed and debated. Politics are hardly as clear-cut as party lines would make you think.
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Post by: Razor on January 09, 2007, 03:25:06 AM
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It's why I have my games set up next to my PC - I'm busy hunting marks in FF12 whilest responding. :P
I've got mine set up too. I'm just too poor and lazy to buy imports. :
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 09, 2007, 07:06:20 AM
USA!!!
USA!!!
USA!!!
Meh.
Japan is cool I've been there once, I love Down Town Tokyo and this one river place (not a real river) where people were just chilling, selling art and Manga.
Spent most of my money on the hotel, but it was all good baby.
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Just remember why I made this post..
Bush stinks and umm.... I hate black people.
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You know what... I just hate you all..
Post by: Shady Ultima on January 09, 2007, 10:39:30 AM
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Religions: Satanism (Rare, but it's there. Google church of satan)
Wrong.
Satanism = Atheism in many ways. It means you do NOT BELIEVE IN A GOD, in fact believing that you are the god and need to worship no one but yourself. The church of satan is NOT satanism. In fact, it is referred to more often as Luciferism or something similar.
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Seriously, all those manic depressives out there need to say yes to suicide.
Up until this point I was laughing. Emos are NOT manic depressives. I am bipolar, and I know I am not alone on this forum, but I take medications for it. I'm not emo. Hell, most people when they find out that I am bipolar, would never have guessed it. I don't flaunt it, and I don't cry and complain. So **** you. You should go kill yourself. It is a serious emotional disability. Being emo is being grounded and thinkin that they have the worst life in the world. Emo is just really whiny people. Manic depressives is something completely different. Emo's AREN'T depressed, just a bit sad. Who cares if your brothers have it. You haven't felt it. What would they do if they knew you were telling them to kill themselves, because essentially, you are.
Post by: Darrellito on January 09, 2007, 11:43:31 AM
And Atheism is beleiving there is no god. If you believe in a devil, you have to believe there is a god.
Edit: An as in the post you quoted me on, I was speaking of a freind of mine that's WAY too emo. He acts like he's manic depressive but he isn't. And with living with a bipolar and a manic depressive, i don't think i would say too much that would insult them.
Post by: Weregnome on January 09, 2007, 01:18:07 PM
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They wouldn't say anything. I have no influence on other people. It was just my opinion. Don't take it so seriously.
And Atheism is beleiving there is no god. If you believe in a devil, you have to believe there is a god.
Edit: An as in the post you quoted me on, I was speaking of a freind of mine that's WAY too emo. He acts like he's manic depressive but he isn't. And with living with a bipolar and a manic depressive, i don't think i would say too much that would insult them.
Well, you could have made mention of that before those who felt offended retaliated at you. I wouldn't have reacted so badly then.
Post by: Razor on January 09, 2007, 01:37:25 PM
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And Atheism is beleiving there is no god. If you believe in a devil, you have to believe there is a god.
Also very true. Stop saying things I agree with.
Post by: Osmose on January 09, 2007, 08:06:20 PM
I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 09, 2007, 09:42:46 PM
Also, I'm not going to quote Ehero, because we're over that now, but hell if I'm not gonna copy and paste that post and read it when I need a good laugh.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 09, 2007, 10:15:19 PM
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I'm fairly sure Satanism is more concerned with indulgence than worshiping Satan himself. At least that's what the Church of Satan is all about. They believe that taking in life's pleasures is perfectly fine. One of their rules actually says to treat your fellow man fairly, but if he crosses you and refuses to apologize, beat his *** for being a dick.
I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.
If I remember, that is if you invite him into your house, you can beat him for whatever reason you want, even kill him. Ater all, he is in your home.
Post by: Darrellito on January 09, 2007, 10:26:33 PM
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 09, 2007, 10:45:35 PM
Aside from it being "for kids," the biggest argument against this was that you had to attach a game for it to become a video game. Art and stuff like that isn't supposed to have rules. This rule prevents it from becoming art. This is not my personal opinion. Without the game, it just becomes a long interactive movie.
To me, games are comparable. Play any RPG with a decent storyline, or a survival horror game. There is a lot of stuff out there that can put movies to shame. I think it's an opinion thing. I think this idea about games comes from Archem's post too. What do you think?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 09, 2007, 10:49:06 PM
But if you're talking about 'the arts'... well I guess they still are. It's a very interactive form of expressing emotions and messages. Of course, games are only just starting to show this.
Post by: Darrellito on January 09, 2007, 10:49:22 PM
Post by: Osmose on January 10, 2007, 12:42:24 AM
Post by: Weregnome on January 10, 2007, 01:41:13 AM
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I still don't see why Spirits Within didn't kill. It was a great movie.
I completely agree with you there. I suppose it never worked out though, because people when they think Final Fantasy expected a movie like FF7 or FF8 or something to that effect.
Post by: Archem on January 10, 2007, 02:09:45 AM
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 10, 2007, 02:45:33 AM
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still don't see why Spirits Within didn't kill. It was a great movie.
I saw it (Duh). I thought it was okay.
I think the reason it didn't sell well was because they made the film like Final Fantasy 8, but they tried to use a backstory that was old-school Final Fantasy.
Think about it. The movie was set in a futuristic New York City, yet the plot was about collecting a number of itemw and some kind of "Lifestream" called Gaia. It wouldn't be that interesting unless you've already played the old Final Fantasy games. They also didn't have that many Final Fantasy References. I can remember the Chocobo T-shirt and Sid. That's about it.
I think Square would do better if they used an FFTactics styled plot instead of an FF7 style plot.
I haven't seen the movie in a while though.
Post by: Weregnome on January 10, 2007, 02:54:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OsmoseQuotestill don't see why Spirits Within didn't kill. It was a great movie.
I saw it (Duh). I thought it was okay.
I think the reason it didn't sell well was because they made the film like Final Fantasy 8, but they tried to use a backstory that was old-school Final Fantasy.
Think about it. The movie was set in a futuristic New York City, yet the plot was about collecting a number of itemw and some kind of "Lifestream" called Gaia. It wouldn't be that interesting unless you've already played the old Final Fantasy games. They also didn't have that many Final Fantasy References. I can remember the Chocobo T-shirt and Sid. That's about it.
I think Square would do better if they used an FFTactics styled plot instead of an FF7 style plot.
I haven't seen the movie in a while though.[/B]
The other thing about Spirits Within was though, that the characters weren't exactly like your normal FF characters. I suppose people really wouldn't have been pleased about that. I quite enjoyed the characters though, so meh.
Post by: Archem on January 10, 2007, 03:06:25 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 10, 2007, 03:19:02 AM
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I still don't see why Spirits Within didn't kill. It was a great movie.
Indeed. Move was awesome, but the problem was that people went in thinking it was gonna be FF, and aside from the title, it was nothing like the stereotypical FF ideas. It's a good stand alone film, but when compared to the FF line it draws from it, and people always had that in their minds. It's like certain people with FFT and FFTA. FFTA is a good stand-alone, but when compared to FFT, it's WTF.
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FFTA is a good stand-alone, but when compared to FFT, it's WTF.[/B]
Haa-aa! Someone gets it right! I'm just glad I picked FFTA up with an open mind. I mean, I don't see why it should be like FFT, most other Final Fantasy games have little or nothing to do with each other.
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Post by: Weregnome on January 10, 2007, 03:57:08 AM
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FFTA is a good stand-alone, but when compared to FFT, it's WTF.[/B]
Haa-aa! Someone gets it right! I'm just glad I picked FFTA up with an open mind. I mean, I don't see why it should be like FFT, most other Final Fantasy games have little or nothing to do with each other.[/B]
That very much frustrates me when people don't look at the individual games are too busy comparing them to either related series or its genre. I can understand if its a direct sequel, but too often or not a game will come out (lets use RPG) and people will say "Its ****, nothing compared to FF7." Its annoying cos I may love/like the game, and know others who do, but some people don't pick it up and give it a chance. I believe thats why making games these days must be so difficult to design.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 10, 2007, 04:00:48 AM
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FFTA is a good stand-alone, but when compared to FFT, it's WTF.[/B]
Haa-aa! Someone gets it right! I'm just glad I picked FFTA up with an open mind. I mean, I don't see why it should be like FFT, most other Final Fantasy games have little or nothing to do with each other.[/B]
That very much frustrates me when people don't look at the individual games are too busy comparing them to either related series or its genre. I can understand if its a direct sequel, but too often or not a game will come out (lets use RPG) and people will say "Its ****, nothing compared to FF7." Its annoying cos I may love/like the game, and know others who do, but some people don't pick it up and give it a chance. I believe thats why making games these days must be so difficult to design.[/B]
FF7. Sucks. Dick. There I said it. Stuff like Legend of Dragoon, Skies of Arcadia and Baten Kaitos blow it away.
Post by: Weregnome on January 10, 2007, 04:02:46 AM
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FFTA is a good stand-alone, but when compared to FFT, it's WTF.[/B]
Haa-aa! Someone gets it right! I'm just glad I picked FFTA up with an open mind. I mean, I don't see why it should be like FFT, most other Final Fantasy games have little or nothing to do with each other.[/B]
That very much frustrates me when people don't look at the individual games are too busy comparing them to either related series or its genre. I can understand if its a direct sequel, but too often or not a game will come out (lets use RPG) and people will say "Its ****, nothing compared to FF7." Its annoying cos I may love/like the game, and know others who do, but some people don't pick it up and give it a chance. I believe thats why making games these days must be so difficult to design.[/B]
FF7. Sucks. Dick. There I said it. Stuff like Legend of Dragoon, Skies of Arcadia and Baten Kaitos blow it away.[/B]
Yer FF7 is overused and abused, just like Meis at a house party :p
Post by: DarkFlood2 on January 10, 2007, 05:00:12 AM
In conclusion, FF7 was overhyped because it was 3d. Fanboyism just made the hype worse. I wouldn't go so far as to say that FF7 sucks, the story was just.. meh. I mean, why would you destroy the world to become a god? All of the inhabitants would be dead, and you wouldn't have anyone to worship you.
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 10, 2007, 05:08:12 AM
FF7 was cool, I love it
(untill better RPGs came out)
Chrono and Tales of Destiny 2 will forever be my loves
(and Azure dreams)
The only good twist FF7 did have was DEATH TO THE PINK DRESSED ONE!
If you played FF7 when it was new and compared it to the other new rpgs of it's time, hell yeah it kicked ***.
Now they have all these spin offs.
(The only one I care for is the Turks one)
FF7 is still in my book a legend and shall forever be respected along with Chrono Trigger and many other great games.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 10, 2007, 05:09:17 AM
Kicks the *** of
It's just common sense.
Post by: Darrellito on January 10, 2007, 05:48:59 AM
But yeah, since then, tons of better rpgs have come out.
P.s.: Cloud would own Dart. Evidence: Cloud in Advent Children.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 10, 2007, 06:12:46 AM
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P.s.: Cloud would own Dart. Evidence: Cloud in Advent Children.
Dragoon came out damn near the same time as FF7. It's better.
I hate when people count AC as proof towards Cloud's skills. You give Dart his own feature length film and put him in beatifully rendered cinematic action packed fight scenes, he'd be just as, if not more kickass. Dart alone could beat Cloud, and that's not counting his Dragoon spirits.
Post by: Razor on January 10, 2007, 06:29:49 AM
Darkflood, where ya been?
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 10, 2007, 06:38:11 AM
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Originally posted by Razor
Smo is cooler than all of you.
Pwn.
Post by: Darrellito on January 10, 2007, 06:40:02 AM
Post by: SoftCell on January 10, 2007, 06:51:21 AM
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Iranian writer and researcher Ali Baqeri, who researched the Protocols, finds their plan for world domination to be merely part of an even more grandiose scheme, saying in Sobh in 1999:
"The ultimate goal of the Jews... after conquering the globe... is to extract from the hands of the Lord many stars and galaxies".
Post by: Osmose on January 10, 2007, 10:44:52 AM
PS: FFT:A, on it's own, still sucked, because judges are gay. And the skill learning system sucked. Even if I had played FFT:A first, I would've sat there and wondered why they put both of those in, when clearly they were horrible.
Post by: Archem on January 10, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
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Originally posted by Razor
Smo is cooler than all of you.
Darkflood, where ya been?
He's been adicted by the WoW craze. I'm still trying to talk him out of it, but I don't see him enough anymore to do that effectively. It's just an expensive version of a well-defined free MMO! Why is it stealing people from me, in a way comparable to cancer?!
Rant on this to come after scholl today.
Mebe.
Post by: Darrellito on January 10, 2007, 02:14:27 PM
There are free Wow severs out there.
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 10, 2007, 02:41:21 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Darrellito
P.s.: Cloud would own Dart. Evidence: Cloud in Advent Children.
Dragoon came out damn near the same time as FF7. It's better.
I hate when people count AC as proof towards Cloud's skills. You give Dart his own feature length film and put him in beatifully rendered cinematic action packed fight scenes, he'd be just as, if not more kickass. Dart alone could beat Cloud, and that's not counting his Dragoon spirits.[/B]
Yeeeep, Dragoon, One year later.
I played that game...it was okay.
AC is still FF7 you know this....right?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 10, 2007, 04:20:49 PM
Post by: Dragonium on January 10, 2007, 04:36:03 PM
Then there's the swords. Cloud, who has no muscle whatsoever, can still lift a 200-pound sword, and Sephiroth can quite easily swing around a 10-foot blade with perfect accuracy. Beats me why he ever needed to get the freaking meteor when he could probably have just exploded the world with a sneeze anyway.
Clones. Ah, good old clones. What? Cloud's a clone! Holy crap! I never would have guessed! What?! Sephiroth is too?!?! Holy f*ck!
So yeah, the storyline is horseshit. What else is there?
(I'd just like to mention here that the graphics, which are really the only thing which make the game popular, are also bad. Cloud looks like an egg-timer.)
The Materia system is supposed to be "customizable". Great, I can do whatever I want with my characters! Goes a bit too far though. For instance, why is Barret a much more ideal mage than Aeris? Why are some of Cloud's Limit Breaks less damaging than his regular attacks? Why can Cait Sith not do anything?
Random effing battles every three steps!
Also, I do not see the deal with Sephiroth killing Aeris. It's supposed to be the most emotional moment in the game. And yet it fails. Spectacularly. In fact it's quite funny. Least convincing death sequence ever. When Tellah died in FFIV, that was emotional, because he actually had some depth.
And Leo in FFVI. He owned.
The thing that gets me about it is that people say it has "emotion and depth". No it doesn't. It is the least interesting, least exciting, least original and least fun game ever.
On the other hand, FFVIII was awesome. That is an RPG done right.
Breath of Fire III owns too. It's got depth, an original storyline, good characters, and it's still fun. And it has Rei, the single-handedly most pwnsome RPG character ever.
EDIT: Moose, you have gone too far. :p
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 10, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
Post by: Dominicy on January 10, 2007, 08:45:17 PM
Gameplay 9
Sound 10
Graphics 7 (for its time duh)
Story 8.5
all and all, FFVII was a 9
very good game
IMO FFII (or whatever the one with cecil is)
gameplay 8
Sound 7
graphics 6 (not that great *cough*bluelagoon*cough*)
Story 5
there you have it 6.5 in my opinion.
there's my two reviews. :p
EDIT:
wow, his sword looks kinda small there. that doesn't look 200 pounds... also, the secret to how powerful they all were was that they all looked good. barret looked very original in the big iron chest plate thing and the jacket with the arm gun, vincent looked vampire-esque in his cloak, aeris/aerith looked good in her dress, tifa.....was kick ___, her looks don't matter much 'till AC, cait-sith... WAS A FRIKKIN CAT! no game had that! sephiroth in his scary clothes and villainous hair, and cloud in his sleeveless shirt and baggy pants, especially with the hair. lol, his hair rox.
Post by: Osmose on January 10, 2007, 09:24:29 PM
FF7 INVENTED THE ****ing CLICHE. It was cliche because everyone else saw how great FF7 did and wanted an oversized sword too. That's like saying Super Mario Bros. for NES is cliche because it has a hero that jumps on his enemies and eats mushrooms to grow bigger.
PS: I'm 85% sure Cloud and Sephiroth are not clones. Cloud, at most, was injected with Jenova cells after the Nibelheim incident, hence why he was called to the Reunion, and Sephiroth, at most, used a clone to do his evil bidding because he was kinda frozen for the first half of the game.
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but who really wants to spend the entire game analysing the storyline to find out everything about it?
Well, considering the only way to find out everything about a storyline is to play through the game and, y'know, pay attention, everyone does.
I hated FF8. The whole game and storyline slowed to a crawl halfway through, and the rest of the game was basically wandering around with a storyline moment every couple of hours. Not to mention that the SeeD system was utterly ridiculous.
Post by: Dragonium on January 10, 2007, 09:49:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dominicy
and FFVII, with how the monsters are, actually makes fighting monsters every three steps funner than alot of games.
No offence, but your logic here is kind of bizzare. O.o
I mean sure, regular battles are fun, but when the monsters aren't really that varied (I recall some dungeons only had three or four different monsters), it does get repetitive. It's really a matter of personal preference, but I felt like FFVII was just the wrong side of the random battle line.
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Originally posted by Dominicy
also, Tellah's death was hardly dramatic at all because it seemed in that game everyone was dying left and right. it became a sort of, "eh, the old guy's dead, wha'ever, we'll say it was a natural death.".
But he was an old man, and he had a family and everything, and he was cool... :(
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Originally posted by Dominicy
wow, his sword looks kinda small there. that doesn't look 200 pounds....
Well, it is made of solid steel (Which is heavier than it looks, might I add), and it's nearly the size of his body. Maybe 200 pounds was an exaggeration, but you get my point. Look at his arms. Look at them. Nobody with puny girl arms like that could skilfully use a sword that size.
(Don't give me crap about it's "not meant to be realistic", they're just not trying here)
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Originally posted by Dominicy
tifa.....was kick ___, her looks don't matter much 'till AC.
Breast size does not equal power.
(Also, a fact I read somewhere, Tifa is the most popular subject of hentai art. xD)
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Originally posted by Dominicy
cait-sith... WAS A FRIKKIN CAT! no game had that!
There is a point where originality fails. ;)
For example, if there was a hero who was a fat middle-aged man with a bald head, in boxers and with his weenie poking out, sure it would be original, but it would make for a horrible game.
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Originally posted by Dominicy
sephiroth in his scary clothes and villainous hair, and cloud in his sleeveless shirt and baggy pants, especially with the hair. lol, his hair rox.
I still say he looks effeminate.
And really, have you ever tried using a long piece of wood as a sword? Anything over 6 feet long starts becoming difficult to control. Past that it's very awkward indeed. Sephiroth in real life would be a complete nublet.
Moose, stop being right. Maybe I messed up with some of the details. :p
Post by: Dominicy on January 10, 2007, 10:04:07 PM
"Breast size does not equal power."
never said it did, tifa was kick ***, my opinion doesn't sway at all because of her breast. personally I actually find areth better looking then tifa. guess that puts that statement in its place.
There is a point where originality fails. ;)
For example, if there was a hero who was a fat middle-aged man with a bald head, in boxers and with his weenie poking out, sure it would be original, but it would make for a horrible game.
OMFG!!!!! THAT IS HILARIOUS!!!! * hands card that says +1,000,000,000,000 ROFL points*
that is hilarious.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 10, 2007, 10:12:11 PM
First off, all final fantasy characters that arn't winy bitches, underaged mages, or "I'm so cool" loners, are awesome. Secondly, FF7 is a great game and defined future cliches, BUT CONTAINED VERY FEW CLICHES. Lastly, yes, I too liked FF7, but think it was over rated.
Also; PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT VIDEO GAME BREAST PROBALLY MASTURBATE TO GAY RAM PORN.
Post by: Dominicy on January 10, 2007, 10:15:29 PM
what the heck is that?
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 10, 2007, 10:17:25 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on January 10, 2007, 10:25:09 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 10, 2007, 10:30:05 PM
I mean... a slow moving animal, who if it gets flipped over its stuck still something adis it, becomes a ****ing ninja.
Not saying its not a great show. I just laugh at the idea of a turtle that's a ninja.
SEE PEOPLE!? I'M NOT BITCHING THAT THE SHOW SUCKS BECAUSE SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK IN REAL LIFE. I'm just stating some irony.
EDIT: Osmose, I read your posts. I love you. You own.
Post by: Osmose on January 10, 2007, 10:32:18 PM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
EDIT: Osmose, I read your posts. I love you. You own.
I think I'm going to start crying soon. :Plight:
Post by: Trevlac on January 10, 2007, 11:43:02 PM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 11, 2007, 12:13:48 AM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
Post by: Revolution911 on January 11, 2007, 12:40:56 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
I have a pet turtle. His name is Leo. We havent exactly gotten down the whole....dual sword thing yet but its coming nicely.
Post by: Dominicy on January 11, 2007, 01:23:46 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
wow, you memorize some sorta TNMT poem?
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 11, 2007, 01:43:15 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution911QuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
I have a pet turtle. His name is Leo. We havent exactly gotten down the whole....dual sword thing yet but its coming nicely.[/B]
Same with me and my rat. Doesn't seem to get the whole concept of a fist. His punishment involved him not getting food for... goin on 12 days.
And dominicy, that, would be the THEME SONG.
Post by: Shady Ultima on January 11, 2007, 02:13:06 AM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
wow, you memorize some sorta TNMT poem?[/B]
You have got to be kidding me... Are you 6? 7? Seriously. I watched TMNT when they were originally on TV, before they became Anime-styled. You've never heard the TMNT theme song? Dear lord.
Post by: Blue_Strife on January 11, 2007, 02:16:32 AM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
wow, you memorize some sorta TNMT poem?[/B]
You've lived a very, very sheltered childhood. O_o
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 11, 2007, 02:20:22 AM
I just think he's a ****ing idiot.
Post by: Razor on January 11, 2007, 02:51:24 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution911
I hate people who over-understand ****. Like TV shows. Who gives a **** why Optimus Prime is a robot from outerspace that transforms into a truck, clearly invented by humans which he has never even heard of before. Who cares why the TMNT are Turtles who use their martial art skills, taught by a sewer rat, to fight evil and get pizza. WHO CARES WHY. Its entertaining and at the same time, the most badass **** EVER.
Dude, the series totally explained those things anyway. It's all in the wikipedia.
Post by: Blue_Strife on January 11, 2007, 03:02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
I disagree.
I just think he's a ****ing idiot.
Possibly that too.
Post by: Archem on January 11, 2007, 03:17:20 AM
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Originally posted by Meiscool
...PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT VIDEO GAME BREAST PROBALLY MASTURBATE TO GAY RAM PORN.
FOILED AGAIN!
Post by: Revolution911 on January 11, 2007, 03:39:54 AM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
wow, you memorize some sorta TNMT poem?[/B]
I hope you die a painful death.
Post by: Bluhman on January 11, 2007, 03:44:45 AM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
They're the world's most fiercesome fighting team
They're heroes, in a hal-shell, and they're green!
When the evil Shredder attacks
Those turtle boys don't cut him no slack
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Raphael is cool but crude
Michaelangelo is a party dude!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half-shell
Turtle power!
That right there, is why the turtles pwn. Heroes in a ****ing half-shell.
wow, you memorize some sorta TNMT poem?[/B]
Dude. I'm a deprived, stupid hermit, and even I recognize those rockin lyrics.
Heroes in a half-shell, TURTLE POWER! Yep.
Post by: Archem on January 11, 2007, 03:50:38 AM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
Dude. I'm a deprived, stupid hermit, and even I recognize those rockin lyrics...
Who doesn't?!
o w8
Post by: MrMister on January 11, 2007, 04:26:20 AM
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 11, 2007, 04:40:57 AM
DUM
DA
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!
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Originally posted by Dragonium
FFVII sucked huge quantities of male genitalia. So sure, it had 3D graphics, but it's still an insult to the Final Fantasy series. Like, the story is the main point. We have our generic hero with his big cliché sword, who knows nothing about his cliché past and for some reason goes on a big-*** quest to fight some effeminate guy with a big sword who wants to destroy the world for some random reason involving a meteor. Now, quite a lot of people are going to say "omg the story goes deeper than that noob". Well of course it would, but who really wants to spend the entire game analysing the storyline to find out everything about it
Name how many heros before Cloud that had such a huge sword?
He thought he did know something. Once again, name how many games before FF7 had the same thing going on.
Yes, game have quest.. havn't come across any RPG that doesn't have a huge quest.
and Sep does not want to destroy the world for some random reason, it's all about mommy baby.
For that last statement you get the Nub of the day award.
I just can't say this in a nice way.... why the **** would you even want to play a RPG that has no story Depth and if you don't know **** about the story plot then your opinion is not valid.
obviously a lot of people wish to go into story depth with ANY rpg.
(ANY RPG!!) it's what we call getting into the game.
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Then there's the swords. Cloud, who has no muscle whatsoever, can still lift a 200-pound sword, and Sephiroth can quite easily swing around a 10-foot blade with perfect accuracy. Beats me why he ever needed to get the freaking meteor when he could probably have just exploded the world with a sneeze anyway.
Yep, video game, fantasy, tell me why Goku can teleport to almost any where in the universe in less than seconds or
why can Sonic talk and run his *** off
or why can Tibus hold his breath underwater for a long time like hours and not die or why people in games or Anime do what they can? Yep, Fantasy detroy the world in a sneeze...sounds like a boring game if you ask me.
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Clones. Ah, good old clones. What? Cloud's a clone! Holy crap! I never would have guessed! What?! Sephiroth is too?!?! Holy f*ck!
Copies, hey wait....what ever happened to who cares about the plot thingy?
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So yeah, the storyline is horseshit. What else is there?
lol yeah so crappy that people are begging for more and Square is sitting on more money then you'll ever see.
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(I'd just like to mention here that the graphics, which are really the only thing which make the game popular, are also bad. Cloud looks like an egg-timer.)
When the hell did you play this game??? when PS2 came out? I mean....God! ALL 3D games looked like crap! but at the time were mind blowing such as the cuts and that is not the only thing that made that game popular and you know it
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The Materia system is supposed to be "customizable". Great, I can do whatever I want with my characters! Goes a bit too far though. For instance, why is Barret a much more ideal mage than Aeris? Why are some of Cloud's Limit Breaks less damaging than his regular attacks? Why can Cait Sith not do anything?
Materia system, its not 100 percent customizable, there are rules to follow plus, who wants a god at the beginning of the game?
Aries dies, using Barret as a mage is stupid, it's all about attackers baby.
multi hitting attacks do less dmg, any RPG player knows that.
Cait Sith is good as long as you KEEP HIM ON YOUR TEAM AND WORK ON HIM! He's no Cloud. Barret, or Cid. I never liked him but on a friends accnt I've seen how decent he can be.
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Random effing battles every three steps!
No clue what you're talking about, anyone can say that about any RPG you can always run like a pussy
Also, I do not see the deal with Sephiroth killing Aeris. It's supposed to be the most emotional moment in the game. And yet it fails. Spectacularly. In fact it's quite funny. Least convincing death sequence ever. When Tellah died in FFIV, that was emotional, because he actually had some depth.
Because she was a pure person who just wanted to help and had no evil in her..well i consider stopping Sep evil, because he's cool andi t wasn't emo it was just shocking, and I did laugh and I laughed when Leo died.
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And Leo in FFVI. He owned.
Yes, yes he did, if you swing that way.
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The thing that gets me about it is that people say it has "emotion and depth". No it doesn't. It is the least interesting, least exciting, least original and least fun game ever.
Yep, sounds like a follower here, seems to me like you people just compare the game to todays games, you don't compare Pokemon Blue to Pokemon Sapphire, that's stupid. Even though Pokemon blue will forever be a legend
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On the other hand, FFVIII was awesome. That is an RPG done right.
umm.....ew? FF8 is a okay game, I just hate Squall emo *** so much it's unreal,
student,
big sword/gun,
quest,
Evil person who wants to destroy the old,
hmmm....
i see a trend here....
OMFG!!!! I'LL CALL THIS TREND A RPG!!!!!111!!1111!111
ROLF!!11!! LMAO!!111! LOL!!!1 -.-
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Breath of Fire III owns too. It's got depth, an original storyline, good characters, and it's still fun. And it has Rei, the single-handedly most pwnsome RPG character ever.
I agree with moose not evne gonna go there
EDIT: Moose, you have gone too far. :p
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 11, 2007, 04:48:33 AM
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
Get ready as Smo.....sticks his dick in this noobs *** and kills his logic!!!
DUM
DA
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!QuoteOriginally posted by Dragonium[/B]
FFVII sucked huge quantities of male genitalia. So sure, it had 3D graphics, but it's still an insult to the Final Fantasy series. Like, the story is the main point. We have our generic hero with his big cliché sword, who knows nothing about his cliché past and for some reason goes on a big-*** quest to fight some effeminate guy with a big sword who wants to destroy the world for some random reason involving a meteor. Now, quite a lot of people are going to say "omg the story goes deeper than that noob". Well of course it would, but who really wants to spend the entire game analysing the storyline to find out everything about it?
Name how many heros before Cloud that had such a huge sword?
He thought he did know something. Once again, name how many games before FF7 had the same thing going on.
Yes, game have quest.. havn't come across any RPG that doesn't have a huge quest.
and Sep does not want to destroy the world for some random reason, it's all about mommy baby.
For that last statement you get the Nub of the day award.
I just can't say this in a nice way.... why the **** would you even want to play a RPG that has no story Depth and if you don't know **** about the story plot then your opinion is not valid.
obviously a lot of people wish to go into story depth with ANY rpg.
(ANY RPG!!) it's what we call getting into the game.
Then there's the swords. Cloud, who has no muscle whatsoever, can still lift a 200-pound sword, and Sephiroth can quite easily swing around a 10-foot blade with perfect accuracy. Beats me why he ever needed to get the freaking meteor when he could probably have just exploded the world with a sneeze anyway.
Yep, video game, fantasy, tell me why Goku can teleport to almost any where in the universe in less than seconds or
why can Sonic talk and run his *** off
or why can Tibus hold his breath underwater for a long time like hours and not die or why people in games or Anime do what they can? Yep, Fantasy detroy the world in a sneeze...sounds like a boring game if you ask me.
Clones. Ah, good old clones. What? Cloud's a clone! Holy crap! I never would have guessed! What?! Sephiroth is too?!?! Holy f*ck!
Copies, hey wait....what ever happened to who cares about the plot thingy?
So yeah, the storyline is horseshit. What else is there?
lol yeah so crappy that people are begging for more and Square is sitting on more money then you'll ever see.
(I'd just like to mention here that the graphics, which are really the only thing which make the game popular, are also bad. Cloud looks like an egg-timer.)
when the hell did you play this game???/ when PS2 came out? I mean....God! ALL 3D games looked like crap! but at the time were mind blowing such as the cuts and that is not the only thing that made that game popular and you know it
The Materia system is supposed to be "customizable". Great, I can do whatever I want with my characters! Goes a bit too far though. For instance, why is Barret a much more ideal mage than Aeris? Why are some of Cloud's Limit Breaks less damaging than his regular attacks? Why can Cait Sith not do anything?
Materia system, its not 100 percent customizable, there are rules to follow plus, who wants a god at the beginning of the game?
Aries dies, using Barret as a mage is stupid, it's all about attackers baby.
multi hitting attacks do less dmg, any RPG player knows that.
Cait Sith is good as long as you KEEP HIM ON YOUR TEAM AND WORK ON HIM! He's no Cloud. Barret, or Cid. I never liked him but on a friends accnt I've seen how decent he can be.
Random effing battles every three steps!
No clue what you're talking about, anyone can say that about any RPG you can always run like a pussy
Also, I do not see the deal with Sephiroth killing Aeris. It's supposed to be the most emotional moment in the game. And yet it fails. Spectacularly. In fact it's quite funny. Least convincing death sequence ever. When Tellah died in FFIV, that was emotional, because he actually had some depth.
Because she was a pure person who just wanted to help and had no evil in her..well i consider stopping Sep evil, because he's cool andi t wasn't emo it was just shocking, and I did laugh and I laughed when Leo died.
And Leo in FFVI. He owned.
Yes, yes he did, if you swing that way.
The thing that gets me about it is that people say it has "emotion and depth". No it doesn't. It is the least interesting, least exciting, least original and least fun game ever.
Yep, sounds like a follower here, seems to me like you people just compare the game to todays games, you don't compare Pokemon Blue to Pokemon Sapphire, that's stupid. Even though Pokemon blue will forever be a legend
On the other hand, FFVIII was awesome. That is an RPG done right.
umm.....ew? FF8 is a okay game, I just hate Squall emo *** so much it's unreal, student, big sword/gun, quest, Evil person who wants to destroy the old, hmmm.... i see a trend here....
OMFG!!!! I'LL CALL THIS TREND RPGs -.-
Breath of Fire III owns too. It's got depth, an original storyline, good characters, and it's still fun. And it has Rei, the single-handedly most pwnsome RPG character ever.
I agree with moose not evne gonna go there
EDIT: Moose, you have gone too far. :p
Quoting long posts annoys people? Oh dear!
EDIT: Hey, did anyone notice that the one guy wrote TNMT? Cause' like, its totally suppost to be TMNT.
Post by: Darrellito on January 11, 2007, 05:03:07 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 11, 2007, 05:06:46 AM
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Originally posted by Darrellito
The biker mice from mars could totally whoop the ninja turtles.
Nothing beats the turtles and the power of the ooze.
Post by: Darrellito on January 11, 2007, 05:08:02 AM
Post by: Dominicy on January 11, 2007, 05:31:29 AM
then don't do it :P
"Hey, did anyone notice that the one guy wrote TNMT? Cause' like, its totally suppost to be TMNT"
Lies, they're the teenage ninja mutant turtles.
"I hope you die a painful death"
Already did or something witty like that. I'm feeling lazy and unthinking right now.
EDIT: "I just think he's a ****ing idiot."
Damn, you people are all asses on this forum I take it.. I never heard the theme song, that makes me an idiot?
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 11, 2007, 05:43:07 AM
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Cept' for Shredder. And those animals from the movie. Can't remeber their names.
No, because even the theme states "These turtle boys don't cut him no slack." They always kick his ***. Tokka and Razar? If memory serves, they were pwnd hard by the turtles.
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 11, 2007, 06:26:13 AM
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"Quoting long posts annoys people? Oh dear!"
then don't do it :P
OH SNAPS!!! he told you
*snaps fingers*
Post by: Dominicy on January 11, 2007, 07:04:21 AM
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006QuoteOriginally posted by Dominicy
"Quoting long posts annoys people? Oh dear!"
then don't do it :P
OH SNAPS!!! he told you
*snaps fingers*[/B]
:D thanks
Post by: Razor on January 11, 2007, 07:25:35 AM
Post by: Trevlac on January 11, 2007, 08:45:47 AM
Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on January 11, 2007, 02:44:32 PM
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omfg Smo can you for the love of ROD change your long post into many quotes so I can tell what the hell your comments are and what is part of the original wall of text?
ROD?
Read or Die? :o
lol ok ok, done.
Post by: Dragonium on January 11, 2007, 05:34:11 PM
Next time I start an argument, it will be about something where I am not the minority in opinion.
Like Trivium.
Trivium fails. It is an insult to music as a whole. It's like emocore only without the core. Oh, and their latest album is a blatant Metallica rip-off.
Yes, they really are that bad.
Post by: Revolution911 on January 11, 2007, 08:50:10 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 11, 2007, 09:57:49 PM
RUDDER!!
Strange, MOUNTAIN!
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 11, 2007, 10:56:26 PM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by Smokey_locs2006QuoteOriginally posted by Dominicy
"Quoting long posts annoys people? Oh dear!"
then don't do it :P
OH SNAPS!!! he told you
*snaps fingers*[/B]
:D thanks[/B]
Both my sarcaso and stupid meters have just gone off the chart.
I wonder which one of the two people in this post I quoted was the narcissistic/stupid one, and which was the sarcastic person that we all love.
Post by: elementalhero76 on January 11, 2007, 11:27:10 PM
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006QuoteOriginally posted by Razor
omfg Smo can you for the love of ROD change your long post into many quotes so I can tell what the hell your comments are and what is part of the original wall of text?
ROD?
Read or Die? :o
lol ok ok, done.
[/B]
What does an anime (awesome one by the way) have to do anything?
Post by: Revolution911 on January 11, 2007, 11:37:14 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 11, 2007, 11:43:51 PM
Post by: Razor on January 11, 2007, 11:53:40 PM
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ROD?
Ignoring the post above Rev's, I say ROD cause it would be rather bizarre for ME to say anything in the "Lord's" name, not to mention incredibly unpolitically correct to assume everyone believes in the same God like that. So I said Rod, as in Inanimate Carbon Rod. (http://razor.sitesled.com/1151356340709.jpg)
Post by: Weregnome on January 15, 2007, 01:51:35 PM
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Pwn. Smo, you have mad counter-argument skills.
Next time I start an argument, it will be about something where I am not the minority in opinion.
Like Trivium.
Trivium fails. It is an insult to music as a whole. It's like emocore only without the core. Oh, and their latest album is a blatant Metallica rip-off.
Yes, they really are that bad.
by what I have heard of em, they sound not too bad. HOWEVER, I shall decide at the Big Day Out. If they are crap there, then I shall most likely ignore them.. I mean, Eskimo Joe have some good songs, but they suck so hard live. I swear, nailiing my nuts to a board would be less boring.