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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Prpl_Mage on October 29, 2008, 08:00:27 PM
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It's just 6 days left!
Who are you going to vote for and why?
EDIT: The election is over.
Obama won.
Democratic "landslide victory" apperantly.
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I am so voting for -
Oh wait I aint from the US. I would so vote the black guy though.
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I have been undecided for a very long time. Obama's plan= spend, spend, spend! He would give bigger tax rebates, true, but how would that not be achieve through even more spending? I am in disagreement with McCain's policy on the war in Iraq, simply because I am opposed to war in general. However, I don't think Obama's plan for a quick retreat is much better. I am also against Obama's health care plans, and favor McCain's. Of course there are many issues but these are pretty big ones for me. I'm still undecided, I know I should have chosen someone by now, but I'm leaning towards Obama. I'm not really in favor of either candidate. I'm voting Joe the Plumber =P
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I'll vote for the nigga. I wanna see rap-speeches!
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I haven't really decided, but I'm leaning towards McCain. We really messed with Iraq, but just leaving quickly will screw it up even more. Plus McCain plans to give big tax breaks to these big companies, which is a GOOD thing because our economy is going to **** and if these big companies have more money, that means they can expand, buy stuff, and all this other stuff, which means more jobs and such.
But honestly, I procrastinate badly, and I haven't really done my research yet..
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I'm voting Joe the Plumber =P
I saw that interview. McCain acted like a complete idiot and I just wanted to punch his lights out. He didn't even listen to anything Obama had to say, and his points were so badly put across that Obama had to explain them to the public. What the hell? I hope to god McCain doesn't get in...
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We should all vote Walter. The puppet. You guys know him, right? ><
http://www.jeffdunham.com/walter.php
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So far, McCain hasn't done or said anything that wasn't an attack on Obama. I can't vote, but if I could, I'd vote Obama. Giving corporations money doesn't mean squat. If my Mom still gets her crap wage, she won't be able to afford getting sick.
Unfortunately, the whole 'voting' thing is whack in the U.S. I mean, why bother having people vote...if the Delegates will as well? That makes the population's vote utterly redundant.
Obama for the win, for me. Unfortunately, we all know that they'll assassinate him. He'll be targeted from day one....
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Wait, you are 18 and cant vote? Creepy.
Over here, 16+ CAN vote, while 18+ HAVE to vote.
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Giving corporations money doesn't mean squat. If my Mom still gets her crap wage, she won't be able to afford getting sick.
Corporations without money go bankrupt or need to cut back spending = loss of jobs.
Corporations with money are able to expand and spend = more jobs.
It's simple economics...
It does NOT mean that the corporations will use that money to pay their employees more, but it will help the economy more as a whole.
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I'm regrettably voting Obama... He seems to agree with what I agree in general, but I think it's a huge risk. Don't really want to discuss anymore.
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Corporations without money go bankrupt or need to cut back spending = loss of jobs.
Corporations with money are able to expand and spend = more jobs.
It's simple economics...
It does NOT mean that the corporations will use that money to pay their employees more, but it will help the economy more as a whole.
That doesn't stop them from out-sourcing their jobs to another country--money or no, they'll do it.
Look at it this way--out of all the past recent presidents we've had since Regan, only Clinton wasn't a Fiscal Conservative. Regan and both Bush's left us in a defecit. Clinton left us with a surplus. You have to spend money to make money in this world, you know. You just have to know where to spend it.
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Corporations without money go bankrupt or need to cut back spending = loss of jobs.
Corporations with money are able to expand and spend = more jobs.
It's simple economics...
It does NOT mean that the corporations will use that money to pay their employees more, but it will help the economy more as a whole.
I don't think you understand quite what a capitalist economy is. Companies thrive or die based on competition, promoting development and growth by better practices. The constant tax breaks given to companies by the current president and those promised by McCain basically take that and throw it out the window and baby their favorite failing companies while continuing to suck money from those who feel the pain of a bad economy - workers. Gas prices go up, food prices rise, everything costs more, and the common man is hurt, but the only people to get a break from their taxes are the millionaires who got us into this mess in the first place.
Also, Obama's plan for Iraq is a phased withdrawal, which is far from just "leaving quickly." McCain has famously said on multiple occasions that he will keep us in Iraq for as long as necessary, which isn't right; if we can't afford a war, why should we continue it? For how long?
I'd ask that you do a bit of research before just voting based on two issues.
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Yeah I said I was gonna do more research...
On the economy thing, competition is a good thing, but giving corporations money doesn't take away from that.
Lets say a cell phone company has money to work with, they build more towers allowing more people to use their service, this means more money for them. This also gives the companies that build the towers more work, it also gives the construction workers more work. And if company A is building towers, company B would be encouraged to build more towers too in order to keep up. Now if both companies were taxed up the ***, they would have to try to make more money in other ways, which is hard to do in our economy right now. So no new towers are built, meaning a large chain of companies will have less work. This chain effect is seen a lot in economics.
And for the war, "as long as necessary" is a GOOD thing. As long we are required to be there in order for Iraq to be stable enough on its own is how long we should be there.
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I'd vote for Obama if I could. If you guys need help choosing:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/matchomatic/fullpage?id=5542139
Obama. I apparantly agree on McCain for economy.
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Not registered. Look at me change the world with my inaction. Hooray.
EDIT: Hey, lilsniffs, that test thingy came up with Obama. If I was registered, I planned on voting for him, so the thing's got at least some level of accuracy.
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I came up almost straight Obama. Which makes sense, since based on what he's said, he seems to have good ideas.
What I'm afraid of personally is if he'll carry through with his ideas completely or not.
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According to the test, I should vote for McCain. But that's because there were some things I wasn't too sure... I would probably vote for Obama if I had to, though. I don't know, I wouldn't like having someone who's been a prisoner of war for more than 5 years as president. I'm also opposed to that war thing.
I'd need to do some more research to be sure I'd vote for the good person, though... but since I don't have to vote, well, I don't need to do any research. Yeah...
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Well, we should all be aware of my stance on war.
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Agreed
GO OBAMA
I can't vote cause I'm 16, but whatever
I like his ideas
And I don't like Palin, cause she's corrupt with power
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Who is Palin btw? I heard her name in a newspaper but they didn't really say all that much about her.
Also, I did the test and ended up Obama, which was not a suprise. Personally, I hope Obama will win. Can't vote since I am dutch, but till. Go Obama.
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Who is Palin btw? I heard her name in a newspaper but they didn't really say all that much about her.
Palin is McCain's running mate, who personally, i think fucked himself in the ass when he chose her. It was only to re-win the support of the Hilary-supporters, and anyone could see through that facade. I would be pissed. She's very... well, I wouldn't want her being my president, but we're one heart attack away from it coming true... (if McCain is elected, that is)..
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Wait, you are 18 and cant vote? Creepy.
Over here, 16+ CAN vote, while 18+ HAVE to vote.
I'm not registered, you see. That, and Puerto Rico doesn't count for presidential elections.
That's got a lot of people steamed, though, because both Obama and Clinton came to make campaigns for their nominations...
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Palin is McCain's running mate...
You sound Australian.
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Not registered. Look at me change the world with my inaction. Hooray.
EDIT: Hey, lilsniffs, that test thingy came up with Obama. If I was registered, I planned on voting for him, so the thing's got at least some level of accuracy.
same here
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You know it doesn;t matter which way you vote because they have a computer program that can change your vote and erase all traces of itself from the machine.
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Just like George W. Bush and Al Gore. We all know Bush cheated.
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Hey, I'm all for conspiracy theories, but not right now. Keep it clean.
You sound Australian.
What are we supposed to call them, then? "Running friends"?
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...yeah?
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McCain. Because I'm so tired of having to ACTUALLY explain why, let's just skip it all and say I don't want a ****** in the white house. I discovered that people will hate me anyways so why not give a DECENT reason to hate me.
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McCain. Because I'm so tired of having to ACTUALLY explain why, let's just skip it all and say I don't want a negro in the white house. I discovered that people will hate me anyways so why not give a DECENT reason to hate me.
Hey man, I know exactly what you mean. People rip me apart for not wanting an Arab in the white house. I'm still voting for him, though, so those people should shut up.
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Apparently, I agree more with McCain on Iraq and more issues
Took a test in school, and POOF
I am 1/16 Republican
14/16 Democrat
2/16 Don't give a ****
If you're going to yell at me for not reducing, shut up
And apparently my math skills are worse than I thought...
I forgot that 1+14+2 does NOT = 16
I need help
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That may be where one of those "Don't give a shits" came in.
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I am not the biggest fan of either of the two, but if I actually could vote, I would vote Obama. McCain is a capitalist, and I am not a fan of capitalist. Plus, he's old as sin, so if he died in office, Palin would be running the country. I highly doubt we want someone with the mentality of a stereotypical blonde cheerleader running our country. Obama, on the other hand, is really vague when he explains his ideas. That kind of bothers me, but eh, whatever.
Here's my take, though. I Seriously think that no matter who is elected, someone is getting assassinated.
If Obama wins - blam, shot by white supremacists.
If McCain wins - KABOOM! Shot by a black guy because Obama is black and didn't win, and that's "Racist". This leads to:
Palin taking over office - KABLAM! Shot because she's a woman, and there's still people that think women shouldn't be in office.
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Don't be so negative. As much as people want to yell "impending assassination", it seems unlikely that anything will actually happen.
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Don't be so negative. As much as people want to yell "impending assassination", it seems unlikely that anything will actually happen.
Woah woah woah, I'm not saying I WANT it to happen, but I think it might.
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Yeah, I know. But I hate the pessimism that surrounds these people.
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Bush wasn't assassinated so there's still hope for Obama.
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Bush wasn't black, though. Well, he still isn't...
There's already been an assassination attempt on Obama and he isn't even president, yet. That's quite a bad starting... but he's still there, continuing even though some people want him dead. Go Obama!
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I'm still a McCain fan. Really, Presidential assassinations occur because the man is SOMEHOW important. I shudder if Obama wins and is, because it would have been for the same damn reason he was nominated: he's black. It's damn shame but it's true :|
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In my view Obama is the lesser of two evils. McCain isn't too bad, even if he wants to invade Iran (hey let's attack the enemy of our enemy), but honestly as a member of the human race I do not want Sarah Palin controlling the most powerful nation in the world.
If McCain gets in and then dies in his first term, I am betting there will be 5 years tops before Russia gets nuked by accident.
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I shudder if Obama wins and is, because it would have been for the same damn reason he was nominated: he's black. It's damn shame but it's true :|
From what I've seen, Obama is simply more intelligent than McCain. If McCain were black and Obama were white Obama would've practically won by now. That's my opinion.
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ELECTION TOMORROW!
PLACE YOUR BETS KIDS THIS IS THE VERY CHOICE THAT WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF OUR PLANET!
WHO WILL BE THE MOST POWERFULL MAN ON THE PLANET?
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My dad.
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Well, me, but that's not for tomorrow...
I'd vote for Obama. I also just recently heard about that prank call on Palin... go Obama.
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I have a bad feeling about this election. It's a double-edged sword, someone stated something similar but I agree that if McCain wins then there's the possibility of riots and whatnot in the streets from blacks because Obama not winning is America being racist. On the other hand, however, if Obama does win, there's a strong (very strong) chance that he'll be assassinated. And yeah, it'll probably be a white supremacist, which will ignite civil conflict between blacks and whites due to a racism issue. Now, if and when this happens is beyond me, but I have another take on this. While it may be blamed on a white supremacist, I just have this bad feeling that it'll be an inside job. The way I see it, Obama is being used by the Democratic party (primarily Howard Dean) as a way to get into the Executive. He's been portrayed as this "man of the people," and has been compared to JFK so much. The fact that Biden was chosen as his running mate rather than Clinton is also skeptical. Half the time I see Obama and Biden together, it just seems like Biden has this "I'm gritting my teeth with this guy" kind of look, and Obama even has a "I didn't pick this man, I had to" kind of expression. I dunno, God forbid this be the case, but it just seems like Obama is only a puppet and Biden is the real candidate to be put in. As much as I can say for Obama, I've almost come to the conclusion that he is true to his word, that he really wants to change things. I almost see him as fooling the Democrats, leading them to believe that he doesn't realize they're using him, but once he gets in office he's going to take charge, going against what they want him to do. More or less, this is going to piss them off (perhaps it has already been happening and the plan is already set forth), Obama will be assassinated, and it's blamed on a white supremacist when it's really an inside job. It sounds pretty Hollywood, I know, but it just seems possible...
Who knows, maybe the world will end in 2012. =\
Oh yeah, and just as a joke (please don't take this seriously people):
Obama Biden
Add NLA between Bi and den and space it out
Obama BiN LAden
NLA = National Lawyers Association (among many other things)
lol creepy
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From what I've seen, Obama is simply more intelligent than McCain. If McCain were black and Obama were white Obama would've practically won by now. That's my opinion.
If Obama were white he wouldn't even be the nominee.
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In Obama's defense, he is 50% white, isn't he? Thought I read that.
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I kind of got the feeling that Biden was going to have Obama killed so he could take office as I watched the news this morning. I don't trust that badly-groomed white fool any further than I can piss my pants, which is not very far.
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Politics just pisses everybody off; but I think we can all agree that Sen. Biden's brain is full of cobwebs. Also, has anybody noticed Sen. McCain calling Biden, "Joe the Biden" or, perhaps more commonly, "O'Biden" throughout the later days of his campaign?
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Who knows, maybe the world will end in 2012. =\
Only if you use the Mayan calendar and then interpret it wrong. :P
[spoiler=Storyline Spoilers]Biden is a cyborg sent from the future to kill Obama to prevent him from starting a rebel faction who seek to liberate the people.[/spoiler]
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I'm no longer voting Obama. I'm voting today and I'll be voting for Bob Barr.
Also, I find it interesting how this past page has had people saying they don't trust Biden and such. It's Obama who I don't trust. What an interestingly quick rise to popularity at such a time of conflict... But that's not the whole of it. I don't want to get into it.
Anyway, Bob Barr for president. People need to realize we aren't limited to two people.
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DID YOU VOTE?
Cause I didn't. Went in the booth with my dad for extra credit in school.
Oh, our school had a mock election last Thursday. Obama won with 272 votes, and McCain got his *** whooped with 90 votes.
Has anyone noticed how crappy McCain's immigrant plan is? My brother was born in Africa, because my dad had UNEP stuff there. I'm pretty sure that would kick him out. As much as I hate my brother, that's completely retarded.
Does anyone think since Palin is crappy, McCain only chose her because she's a girl? Also, the prank call sucked.
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This election scares me half to death. :-\
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DID YOU VOTE?
Cause I didn't. Went in the booth with my dad for extra credit in school.
Oh, our school had a mock election last Thursday. Obama won with 272 votes, and McCain got his *** whooped with 90 votes.
Has anyone noticed how crappy McCain's immigrant plan is? My brother was born in Africa, because my dad had UNEP stuff there. I'm pretty sure that would kick him out. As much as I hate my brother, that's completely retarded.
Does anyone think since Palin is crappy, McCain only chose her because she's a girl? Also, the prank call sucked.
Because a class full of 13 year old's is the best predictor of political outcomes.
And yeah Drace, he is only 50% black, but I can tell that he sure as hell isn't playing up he's 50% white.
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284 Electoral votes for Obama
146 Electoral votes for McCain
*gets ready for four years of suck*
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Because a class full of 13 year old's is the best predictor of political outcomes.
And yeah Drace, he is only 50% black, but I can tell that he sure as hell isn't playing up he's 50% white.
Actually, Kindergarten through 6th got to vote.
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I voted!! =D
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OBAMA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F- ya.
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X, do you always shout something out when ever I say that someone wins? It happened with Giants in football before.
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Something about everyone under 18 supporting Obama that bugs me alot. The percentage increasing as you get younger...
But I guess there's no point in complaining about it, I just hope that for once, a politician can do what he says he will do. Because now more than ever we can't afford another failed four years. I only wish everyone that voted had truly thought about their vote beyond, "Omg, he's black! He represents change!" And I know this is true for some, but it is also not true for some.
And honestly, I think he can do it, it simply remains to be proven and what scares me is he has little time to learn the ropes, so to speak.
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X, do you always shout something out when ever I say that someone wins? It happened with Giants in football before.
Meh, its a habit.
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Something about everyone under 18 supporting Obama that bugs me alot. The percentage increasing as you get younger...
But I guess there's no point in complaining about it, I just hope that for once, a politician can do what he says he will do. Because now more than ever we can't afford another failed four years. I only wish everyone that voted had truly thought about their vote beyond, "Omg, he's black! He represents change!" And I know this is true for some, but it is also not true for some.
And honestly, I think he can do it, it simply remains to be proven and what scares me is he has little time to learn the ropes, so to speak.
Its cuz the older people get, the more they are afraid of change. Every try to give an old person a cell phone, usually doesn't work out so well. :p
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And now the countdown to 2012... where the world ends with the end of Obama's term. Hm.
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Its cuz the older people get, the more they are afraid of change. Every try to give an old person a cell phone, usually doesn't work out so well. :p
haha, still, it's funny to see all the younger people side with obama. Maybe they're afraid of McCain's grizzled, old, "about to die" features.
EDIT: We all know 2012 is on everyone's minds... =P come on, admit it.
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man I just watched Obama's speech, it was pretty fucking amazing. Now I just hope he wasn't all talk like every other candidate ever..
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I do have to say, he gave a very good speech, it raises my hopes that maybe he wasn't just bullshitting. I think it would be hard to say a lot of that without having your heart in it.
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I liked how he told his kids that they're getting a puppy during that speech.
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Giving a good speech doesn't mean ****. This guy can talk the talk, but we'll see if he can walk the walk.
Also, 3 more spots for the Democrats to have a super majority. (60 = ability to overturn a filibuster)
So yeah, this is sweet, possible super majority in a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Executive. So much for checks and balances, we're fucked.
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I would be totally pissed if the world ended in 2012... That's the first time I get to fuckin vote for president.
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I would be totally pissed if the world ended in 2012... That's the first time I get to fuckin vote for president.
Same here. XD
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more like united states erection amirite
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Hey, look, its an old member.
*points*
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Well, let's face it, america needed someone totally different to shake things up. Let's see how this turns out...
And if the world ends in 2012, I'll be pretty happy :p I've always wanted to see the end of the world.
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You know what DOES irritate me. The black people here in Holland. All celebrating for Obama and I just know it's just because he is black, they probably have no clue about what he stands for. I mean, they don't care for Dutch news so **** foreign news. Ugh.
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Same here. I guess it means a lot for them to see that people will now allow a Black person to lead the United-States. But Obama inspires changes, too. I don't think the fact that he his African American is the only reason they celebrate, though. But yeah, it's probably the main reason.
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All celebrating for Obama and I just know it's just because he is black, they probably have no clue about what he stands for.
OBAMA stands for Obviously Black, Apparently Maintaining America.
I am glad he won. You hear that? That's Earth breathing a sigh of relief.
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Yeah, I would have voted for him, too. I hope he doesn't screw up too much. Then again, it's hard to get much worse than Bush...
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Now Bush was a sucker. I mean, come on.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC9SIOk1QnE
teh. kinda important.
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Uhh black people here are busy...y'know, with being black. All we want is peace and a big loan, whoever gives us that is kewl.
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You are so not black. XD
Anyway. I know a pretty big number of black people on my school. They dont know who the **** Obama is. Just like the white people. ><
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Giving a good speech doesn't mean ****. This guy can talk the talk, but we'll see if he can walk the walk.
Also, 3 more spots for the Democrats to have a super majority. (60 = ability to overturn a filibuster)
So yeah, this is sweet, possible super majority in a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Executive. So much for checks and balances, we're fucked.
While I agree, I do hate people who are hypocritical and would cheer if republicans had a majority but despise democrats having one. -_- Seriously, people need to grow up a bit about **** like that. And stop voting based ENTIRELY on party and not the person. >_> I hit someone today for complaining about having a democratic president.
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While I agree, I do hate people who are hypocritical and would cheer if republicans had a majority but despise democrats having one. -_- Seriously, people need to grow up a bit about **** like that. And stop voting based ENTIRELY on party and not the person. >_> I hit someone today for complaining about having a democratic president.
Well, Democrats have been complaining about Republican majority for 8 years so there's that. Also consider people that DON'T vote for a candidate based on party. There are people that didn't vote McCain because he was a Republican.
So hah.
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Yeah, well as sure as that is, there are people who DID vote for him because he was a Republican. BiasedKirbyX more like it. [/gay joke]
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It was either McCain or Obama and I hate Obama. Green party was boring without Nader and he's just crazy now.
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Why the hell is it about race. Obama didnt play up being black or white. Obama played the HEY IM A BETTER CHOICE card.
I saw something pertaining to that a few pages ago. W/e
OBAMA DIDNT WIN BASED ON HIS RACE. YOU CAN TELL YOURSELF THAT ALL YOU WANT BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.
Also I hate zkx consider your lunch money mine from now on
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I'm not saying he won based on race. I'm saying he wouldn't have been the nominee. The Democratic party needed something that they were certain to get votes by. A young black man is exactly what they needed.
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Rev is becoming my favorite member... Not because he likes Obama, just his overall kick-assin-ness.
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Really? I mean, Rev always annoyed me... What do you enjoy about him?
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The fact that he annoys you? :3
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The Democratic party needed something that they were certain to get votes by. A young black man is exactly what they needed.
It was that or a woman.
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I'm not saying he won based on race. I'm saying he wouldn't have been the nominee. The Democratic party needed something that they were certain to get votes by. A young black man is exactly what they needed.
That, and because Hilary was acting like a ginormous ****.
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That, and because Hilary was acting like a ginormous ****.
Oh, look, another person who follows bandwagon mentality. Why don't you go make an informed decision before spouting things off? I personally couldn't see the random hate for Hillary Clinton. She may not have been perfect, but someone set off some spark that SHE'S A BITCH LOLOLOLOL and everyone follows it. Honestly, have you ever actually looked at it objectively? Try giving a real reason for disliking her and maybe more people could take you seriously. Although many may not like my reasons for not voting for Obama, at least I didn't just say HE'S A STUPID RACIST GUY WHO DOESN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING HE ONLY CAN TALK GOOD LOLOL.
The DNC leaned more towards Obama because of groundless hate towards Clinton from people like you. In actuality, she probably would've done a lot better if people gave her a chance. Oh, but wait, how could she satisfy America? She couldn't satisfy Bill! Yeah, she was too busy running the country.
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Why does people dislike the following persons and what are the reasons for it?
Democrats:
Obama
Biden
Republicans:
McCain
Palin
Discuss but don't flame the other members people. This is an interesting topic(the topic, maybe not the thread) so let's try to behave and avoid getting it locked.
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Why I don't like:
Obama - I don't quite understand in what direction he is going with his plans. He seems to boast optimism, which works for the morale of the general public, but his plans seem to be more focused on that than actual substance. For example, he promises health care will no longer be a problem (people like this part), but he says it will be because those who can't afford can buy into a government plan. If you can't afford health care, then how can you buy into help from the government? I won't say all of his plans are directionless, as some seem really good, but there were too many that just seemed like they wouldn't go anywhere to me. In addition, I don't feel like he has much of a handle on foreign affairs. Besides the fact that he doesn't seemed too focused on international politics in general, I think leaving Iraq all at once because all of America is begging for it is wrong. Now that we're there, we need to slowly begin moving out, not departing in a short time period like 6 months. Finally, I don't particularly trust this man. People want to kill me for this, but it's just my personal feeling. Who IS he? There are so many different accounts of his past that I couldn't even figure out anything definite about him before 2004. It seems strange that he gained so much popularity such a short amount of time after America went to the Middle East. Overall, I hope my skepticism is wrong, but I just don't trust him.
McCain - Well, I'm more on the democratic side anyway, so I generally don't agree with Republican policies, especially socially. Continuing along with health care as a specific example, though, while Obama's seems to have no direction to me, McCain's appeared to be going in a bad direction. He wanted to continue funding insurance companies to leech money from the middle class consumer and tried to make up for it by saying he'd give people $5,000 for health care. That wouldn't pay for much, whether insurance or hospital bills. Also, I didn't care for McCain's "we'll stay in Iraq forever if we have to" plan. Finally, as a last specific example besides the fact that I generally don't agree with Republican social policies, the baby boomer generation is losing so much money that they have put away under the GOP. It's not fair how much money has been lost in investments and savings that people worked for.
Palin - Well, this seems to be the general consensus, so it shouldn't be as hard for most people to understand me here. She just doesn't know nearly enough to be VP, and it would have been worse to have McCain and die and have her take over. She does know about energy because she's from Alaska, but that's where it ends. She literally said on national television that she had to be told what the vice president did. Overall, her lack of knowledge and experience in politics just made her a poor choice.
Now I wonder who will read all of this.
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We, the interested people will read it of course and take it to heart.
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I am very upset that people are hating him because he is black! It's really pushing me to the limit! Why can't we have a black president? Whats so wrong with that? It was not a written rule that White men are the only people allowed to run. I also would like to say that I did not vote or say I want Obama to win for his color. I watched his speech a while ago ( dont remember when ) and was blown away by it. I am very very happy that he won and hope that he does bring a good change to America.
To all those opposed.... welll....
sorry about that but I really needed to get that off my chest...
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PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD!! LOOK! IT'S BART!
You havent logged in for what, 3 years?
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He actually even joined the chat some months ago but Draggy perma banned him for not liking the beatles.
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To be honest, a lot of black rulers are not great. I mean, look at Africa. They have serious problems there. But the same is going on there, they don't want to see a white man sitting at the throne of a black country. Racial hate is everywhere and some people are just judging people because of that. So, let's hope that Obama does well as a president and not as a black guy so that they can at least have respect for him.
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I like how once you mention black people assume it means hate. Mother fuckers can't realize that "African-American" is a retarded-*** term that realistically makes no sense.
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Palin - Well, this seems to be the general consensus, so it shouldn't be as hard for most people to understand me here. She just doesn't know nearly enough to be VP, and it would have been worse to have McCain and die and have her take over. She does know about energy because she's from Alaska, but that's where it ends. She literally said on national television that she had to be told what the vice president did. Overall, her lack of knowledge and experience in politics just made her a poor choice.
Now I wonder who will read all of this.
I like how people call Gov. Palin inexperienced when she's just as inexperienced as (or perhaps even more experienced than) President Elect Obama. As far as the being told what the VP has to do I'm pretty sure that was reaching out to America's funny bone and trying to familiarize with the electorate rather than a gaff. If you're going to attack Gov. Pailin's 'gaffs' you definitely shouldn't overlook VP Elect Biden's.
I dislike President Elect Obama because he is a leftist. Not a democrat, a leftist.
I dislike VP Elect Biden because he is an idiot.
I dislike Sen. McCain because of the fallibility of his campaign.
I really have no beef with Gov. Palin. I'm angry with the media because they ripped her a new one, but other than that, I have no issue.
I like how once you mention black people assume it means hate. Mother fuckers can't realize that "African-American" is a retarded-*** term that realistically makes no sense.
Also, yeah I agree. The 'race card' has been played waaaaaaaaaaaay too much in this campaign by complete freaking ignoramuses. I could go off on a whole tangent about that, and I'm sure you could too, Zeek.
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"I like how people call Gov. Palin inexperienced when she's just as inexperienced as (or perhaps even more experienced than) President Elect Obama."
lol
Palin didnt deserve what she got
Doesn't mean I like her, but still. Shes just not what people would like to see in a VP I guess.
This thread is full of people and high horses.
People on highhorses to be exact.
LOOK AT ME I WATCH CNN I M POLITICS MASTER.
I hate people on high horses.
Hey archem my fist called.
Said he wants your face back.
hoooooshit son.
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Rev, how did governor Palin not deserve what she got? Are you saying that she doesn't deserve her position as governor of Alaska, or rather she didn't deserve to be selected by Senator McCain as a running mate?
EDIT::::: I see what you're saying. You mean she didn't deserve what she got from the media. Sorry.
Are you aware that the previous governor of Alaska injected his daughter into the United States Senate? I'll personally give my support to Gov. Palin simply because of that. But that's not the state I live in, so it's not my decision.
The fact of the matter is, Palin was chosen by the McCain campaign to give them a more 'everyman' face. I'll tell you one thing she doesn't have as much experience with as President Elect Obama: Money. Sarah Palin makes a upper-average income, she is as close to an 'average 'joe-sixpack'' as you'll see anywhere in the political realm. President Elect Obama; however, sat on a board controlling of millions of dollars to give to Chicago schools, but not a dime of that money was spent on text books or developing curriculum or even renovating public buildings. The money was spent to turn students into activists against the American government.
CNN was completely in the bag for Obama, btw. But since you have an opinion on politics too I guess you're a self-proclaimed politics master. Unless you want to give me an example of somebody on a 'high horse' in this thread, I kinda think it's you.
What it all boils down to is: I place more value upon personal rights, freedoms, and exceptionalism than I place on equality. I believe the Republican party supports that, the Democratic party resists it, and Leftists are trying to turn it completely around.
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Rev, from what I have seen of him so far, has alot of extremely strong opinions, and is not afraid to vocalize them
Cool in some cases, but damnright annoying in others
No offense meant
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I like how people call Gov. Palin inexperienced when she's just as inexperienced as (or perhaps even more experienced than) President Elect Obama. As far as the being told what the VP has to do I'm pretty sure that was reaching out to America's funny bone and trying to familiarize with the electorate rather than a gaff. If you're going to attack Gov. Pailin's 'gaffs' you definitely shouldn't overlook VP Elect Biden's.
She basically came out and said she didn't know a lot. I'm not exactly sure how much clearer it's supposed to get. As for Biden, I really don't know much about him, so I left him out.
Also, Bart_Fatima, I really hope your post wasn't referring to me, because absolutely nowhere did I say anything about Obama being bad because he was black. He isn't even really black anyway. That's actually more of what concerns me. If he WAS actually black I'd be much more comfortable. His foggy heritage and questionable actions concern me.
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I hate people on high horses.
lolhypocrisy
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Hey archem my fist called.
Said he wants your face back.
hoooooshit son.
...What?
I hate horses, too, if that's what you're getting at.
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Yeah I'm back from the dead :Plight:
Anyway, I just want people to accept that he was elected and not McCain and for him to do an excellent job as a president...
Because right now its frickin' crazy... people and their racist comments make me wanna rip out their hearts and pound on their FACES!!
ARGGGHHH
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well, i watch c-span all the time. so i didn't just suddenly take an interest in politics on November 4th. Ya know, the VP's job is really... well lame. They don't do anything. They preside over the senate and decide tie votes (how often does that happen). Pretty much they just sit around on their ass all day hoping that the president dies. However, in my opinion, Sarah Palin isn't even qualified enough to do that.
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lol fried chikin
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Well, Democrats have been complaining about Republican majority for 8 years so there's that. Also consider people that DON'T vote for a candidate based on party. There are people that didn't vote McCain because he was a Republican.
So hah.
I'm one of those people who doesn't vote based on party, so hah. And you're right of course, I'm just pointing out my opinion.
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Okay, so what negative racist remarks were made before 'fried chikin'?
Other than that, I agree with you. The election is over, and has been for some time, so I'm done with it. I'll let President Elect Obama have his honeymoon, after all, he won it fair and square.
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No... I am not talking about here!
I am talking about the people around me =/
Jeez, everyone around me has been saying stuff that is really making me wanna give someone a black eye :blue-eye:
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Oh jesus, have you guys heard this ****? Michelle Obama is already making plans to uproot the rose bed that was planted by Jackie Kennedy back in the 60's. She wants to replace it with a watermelon patch.,
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Oh jesus, have you guys heard this ****? Michelle Obama is already making plans to uproot the rose bed that was planted by Jackie Kennedy back in the 60's. She wants to replace it with a watermelon patch.,
Seriously? O.O Well at least a watermelon patch is uh... useful?
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Please tell me I'm not the only one who actually got that joke
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No I GET it. Just is that a "seriously?" or an actual JOKE. I can never tell....
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Ahaha... its so funny...
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Brilliant. I could never have thought of something of that caliber.
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You know I am mixed right?
and think these jokes are ignorant...
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Same here
Intolerance of any kind is ignorant
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Agree'd mostly. Intolerance of intolerance... that's different. ;)
But seriously, I don't get racism or any of that. It's not even funny.
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It is if it's on the internet.
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You know what, you guys are right. I'll try and not be racist. Racism isn't funny, it's a crime and crimes are for black people.
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It is if it's on the internet.
I disagree with you 100%
And ZKX, while it disgusted me, that made me chuckle
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I said I didn't get it. Not it offends me. MEaning I don't laugh when people post racist things. I just move on with life.
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I am very upset that people are hating him because he is black! It's really pushing me to the limit! Why can't we have a black president? Whats so wrong with that? It was not a written rule that White men are the only people allowed to run. I also would like to say that I did not vote or say I want Obama to win for his color. I watched his speech a while ago ( dont remember when ) and was blown away by it. I am very very happy that he won and hope that he does bring a good change to America.
To all those opposed.... welll....
sorry about that but I really needed to get that off my chest...
Amen.
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I said I didn't get it. Not it offends me. MEaning I don't laugh when people post racist things. I just move on with life.
I'm not normally offended either
I just smile at the stupidity then move on
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I disagree with you 100%
And ZKX, while it disgusted me, that made me chuckle
Anyone else see the problem here?
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My disagreeing with you, or my paradoxical "It sucks but it's funny?"
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yeahh... that didnt make me chuckle at all
_veryangry_
suck my dick zkx
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It made me chuckle because I wasn't expecting it
I do not personally condone racism
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nigga u crazy.
I wonder if obama said nigga as a kid.
Thats not a joke.
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According to his Biography on, well, the Biography Channel, he did
When he was in college (it count's) he attempted to be a stereotypical black person, due to his case of mistaken identity due to his white mother who he lived with his entire life. He even tried cocaine at one point in time.
He was also a member of the Nation of Islam, played a shitload of basketball, and did Marijuana
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Was this before or after he killed babies with ACORN?
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Goddamn. Charas. Srs bsns.
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Like the rest of the internets.
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=/
I thought they said he tried crack?
whatever... they are basically the same...
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lolz
but srsly, racist jokes are not funny.
Though they make me laugh, and I giggle to myself.
They are unacceptable in this modern day society of toleration and acceptance.
Why don't you crack a gay joke? As long as you're not in Mass. or Conn. it's acceptable.
It may even be encouraged.
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But that's just the thing, you assume that since there's no gays around, it's okay to crack a joke about them. As far as I'm concerned, if you deem racist jokes unacceptable, then all potentially offensive jokes are, by extension, unacceptable.
Let me use another example, everybody loves to tell 'priest and rabbi' jokes. I guess some of them are even funny. Like "A priest and a rabbi are walking down the street when they see a kid, the priest says 'hey, let's **** that kid' and the rabbi says 'out of what?'" This is a joke. It's funny. I repeat, this is a joke.
Also, I am not anti-semitic at all, nor am I a antagonist of the Catholic church. I can tell this joke without being either. Why then are jokes involving stereotypes of blacks considered 'racist'?
After all, you have to 'take' offense to something. 'Being' offended is a conscious choice.
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Okay, just so there's no confusion, the following is completely devoid of sarcasm:
Yellowvanblake, I agree.
A joke's a joke. Yes, some of them are pretty fucked up. Like, for example:
Question: What's better than 100 black guys?
Answer: 100 dead black guys.
Now, that joke is evil... Nevertheless, it's a joke. People need to lighten up. I know there's a fine line, I know that. But how can we expect to get over suppressive ideals such as racism or feminism... uh, I mean sexism... yeah... if we get all hot-headed whenever someone makes a joke out of them. A JOKE: anything said or done to make people laugh.
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People take things too seriously.
There are jokes about mostly everyone: Black, Jew, Woman, Man, Gay, Chinese, etc. so everyone's equal!
Yeah...
Oh and I heard Palin thought Africa was a country, and not a continent... that's great! (To remain a bit On-Topic)
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Palin makes me laugh. She's pathetically inept.
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So that means palin is a joke?
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I love Mind of Mencia, enough said for those who know it. Those who don't check it out.
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You guys are satan worshipping, racist, womanizers.
My pastor was right about the internet Im not coming to school tommorow :(
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voted for the winner. That makes me cool.
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Yeeeeah, welcome back Isme...