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Title: The Election
Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 28, 2004, 09:02:47 PM

Hey. I was just wondering does anyone have any opinions on the Election coming up soon...

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Post by: Ace of Spades on October 28, 2004, 10:00:04 PM

Yea......... GO BUSH!!!!!!!

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Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 28, 2004, 10:14:52 PM

 _sweat_  bush..why you little!

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on October 28, 2004, 10:21:25 PM

Kerry is obviously much smarter than Bush.

EDIT: I hope this don't get ugly...

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on October 28, 2004, 10:26:12 PM

Seriously. I don't want flames.

I vote bush o.o

And well the thing is coming pretty tied right now. I hope history doesn't repeat itself.

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Post by: Razor on October 28, 2004, 10:26:42 PM

Vote Razor! Better than the rest!

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huh? wrong election?

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Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 28, 2004, 10:34:49 PM

I think Bush is a VERY VERY BADDDDDD President! Look at what he has done since he has been president


Quote shinotebasiiackh:
[Kerry is obviously much smarter than Bush.

EDIT: I hope this don't get ugly...]

OH! it jsut got UGLY!!  

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Post by: Ace of Spades on October 28, 2004, 10:56:54 PM

NAH, It won't get ugly until John Kerry actually shows up.

GO BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Glitch on October 28, 2004, 10:58:01 PM

OH LORD, not again...

These things have so far never turned out pretty... we should try and learn from  the mistakes of the last few threads about politics...


But, as far as my opinion goes, I do support President Bush.

Since he became president, well, nothing but good has come to my Middle Class family. (supposedly his tax cuts weren't aimed at us...) And, I do support the war in Iraq. Saddam needed to be taken out. And if you don't support it, don't just say "Bush only took us to war for Oil" this is an invalid argument because the President of the United States does not have the power to authorize a war, Only the senate and house of reps. does. SO if you blame anyone, blame Kerry and Edwards, they both voted to go to war.

That's as far as I'm gonna go. I can just say, I support a man with values, who is not scared to say he is a christian, and opposes Abortion (or as I call it, murder of the innocent)

That's my beliefs, you got a problem with em, tough.

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Post by: Ace of Spades on October 28, 2004, 11:06:09 PM

Nicely said. Bush might have put us in a big debt, but come on. If anyone else were in office they probably would have done the same thing. It's LIVES we try to save, not MONEY! What's the point of money if there's nobody to use it. Seriously, if we didn't decide to go to war, someone might have taken that as a weak point and attacked us again. We're still at war. John Kerry wants to COMPROMISE with the enemy. We wants to talk everything out. Bush may not be that smart, but I'd say that what John Kerry wants to do is being idiotic. Kerry hardly knows what he's gonna do. Bush does. Kerry might have a plan, but we really don't know anything about it. However, we do know about what Bush is going to do. So I say, GO BUSH!!! This is the last I'm going to say. I'm getting sick of political arguments. So, this is my opinion, and if you don't like it, than CRY!

GO BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Osmose on October 28, 2004, 11:30:30 PM

Big long post comin up...

RESUME
GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520
United States

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

Law Enforcement:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the
influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been
"lost" and is not available.

Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to
take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By
joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty
in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil
business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but
couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly
after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team
in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the
help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including
Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS

- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure,
Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
billions in borrowed money.
- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.
- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my
father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after
losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT

- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a
criminal record.
- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over
one billion dollars per week.
- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of
the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million
Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza
Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.
- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the
most corporate campaign donations.
- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy
fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys
to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election
decision.
- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I
presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused
to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
awarded government contracts.
- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
President in U.S. history.
- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest
bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any
President since the advent of television.
- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year
period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
the worst security failure in U.S. history.
- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World
Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the
most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in
world history.
- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people),
shattering the record for protests against any person in the history
of mankind.
- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community.
- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut
in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.
- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for
attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.
- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
security.
- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden
to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES

- All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my
father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
view.
- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

If that's not enough, than you are ignorant.

And if Abortion is killing of the innocent, would you rather the child live with a young mother who has no way to support this child, end up being shipped from foster home to foster home, and be emotionally scarred for life? According to "Christian" views, the baby has yet to commit any sins and should go straight to heaven and live in perfect harmony with God.

Abortion helps women who are raped. By going against it you are condemning the women who have to live with the emotional scars of being raped to living with a child, who every day when they look into their eyes, they are reminded of the most horrible day of their entire life. Can you really do that to someone?

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Post by: Chrisdude on October 28, 2004, 11:31:18 PM

O_O bush really sucks. my dad's friend is a news person and i seen those video tapes of the heads being sawed off. OMFG i had ****ing nightmares i didn't want to live after i seen them. I hope they capture bush and saw his head of. ****ing bush! Kerry is so much nicer and will hopefully keep his word...

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Post by: Tomi on October 28, 2004, 11:33:22 PM

Another thing, the president isn't the one who spends the money.  Its actually congress who spends the money by their vote.  The president can suggest things to spend money on, but he doesnt have the final desision on where money goes.  So Senator Kerry actually has some say in where money goes.
 

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Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 28, 2004, 11:39:27 PM

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Originally posted by Glitch
OH LORD, not again...

These things have so far never turned out pretty... we should try and learn from  the mistakes of the last few threads about politics...


But, as far as my opinion goes, I do support President Bush.

Since he became president, well, nothing but good has come to my Middle Class family. (supposedly his tax cuts weren't aimed at us...) And, I do support the war in Iraq. Saddam needed to be taken out. And if you don't support it, don't just say "Bush only took us to war for Oil" this is an invalid argument because the President of the United States does not have the power to authorize a war, Only the senate and house of reps. does. SO if you blame anyone, blame Kerry and Edwards, they both voted to go to war.

That's as far as I'm gonna go. I can just say, I support a man with values, who is not scared to say he is a christian, and opposes Abortion (or as I call it, murder of the innocent)

That's my beliefs, you got a problem with em, tough.

you have a point glitch, but my opinion is he is a horrible president, I don't really care for either one....

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on October 29, 2004, 12:27:31 AM

Amen Moose...

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Post by: byrdbrayn on October 29, 2004, 02:06:45 AM

I say..................VOTE RALPH NADER!!! (if he hasn't been taken off the ballot in youer state) bush is a fool (obviously) but i do have some opinions against pro life. i think you should only be able to get an abortion if u have a reason (having the baby will kill you, it was a rape baby, the baby will have aids, etc.) but kerry thinks you should be able to have an abortion anytime and bush thinks you can only have one if the baby will kill you, so i agree with neither of them. also, kerry is trying to ban all guns even though he says hes not, he voted againts all guns including hunting guns which is pretty wack. sure ban automatic weapons, im no killer, but shotguns??? and plus, the rate of death didnt go down at all during the assualt weapons ban anyway......so vote NADER! lol

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Post by: MrMister on October 29, 2004, 05:11:14 AM

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Kerry is obviously much smarter than Bush.

A smart person doesn't sign up for the army.
 

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Bush might have put us in a big debt, but come on.

He didn't put America in a big debt, America already owed everyone billions.

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on October 29, 2004, 05:55:27 AM

Hm. Yeah, Bush was never in the armed forces.

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Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 29, 2004, 12:56:36 PM

 I think that Kerry Might Win Not because I don't like Bush, just because
I Saw some site that had some polls and Kerry seemed to be winnning

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Post by: Xen on October 29, 2004, 04:45:00 PM

Err...
I am 50/50 on this...
I'm from the UK so I doesn't concern me as much as the Americans, but I'll give my views anyhoo...
I think Kerry may win, but I also think that Bush would do the better job, I don't have a complete understanding of it, but those are my views...
You'd probably get a bigger explanation if I DID understand more...

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on October 29, 2004, 07:33:05 PM

I'm sick of these topics!!! For god's sake ppl c'mon! This is like the fifth topic 'bout this and it only concerns americans. Most of us can't even vote 'cuz we either lives outside US or just too young.

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Post by: SnakeIzeGambit on October 29, 2004, 08:03:12 PM

that doesnt mean we cant discuss it.

Title: Politics are a waste of time
Post by: gyrus on October 29, 2004, 08:04:26 PM

Haven't you seen Terminator 3? It doesn't matter because we will ALL die at judgement day.

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Post by: Dominant on October 30, 2004, 02:08:53 AM

George W. Bush all the way.

Also true: Bush didn't put us in any debt at all. It was all Clinton's fault.

Have you ever seen those talking Clinton dolls? Those are hilarious! Do they make a Kerry one?

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Post by: byrdbrayn on October 30, 2004, 03:25:56 AM

well actually, cliton is not allowed to run this year, because he's already served but if he could run, (which he cant im jus sayin) he would probably win, because he was a good president, even though he wasnt a wartime president.

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Post by: Osmose on October 30, 2004, 03:32:35 AM

Clinton put us in debt? Clinton had the best economic record ever compared to the crap he was handed from the last string of presidents!

But it took it's toll on him. See before and after pics of clinton and he took the stress, and took it hard.

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Post by: Glitch on October 30, 2004, 10:56:11 PM

Actualy osmose, you're not completly correct. Think about it, our economy never actualy got bad. Sure you can say, well look at the news and the commercials, and my teacher says the economy is terrible! and all that other whining. Our economy dropped after 911, but honestly, you're not very bright if that surprises you. It's taken alot of time for it to improve. But it's not a depression. Clinton didn't put us in debt, neither did he save us from it. Bush and Reagen didn't do anything against the economy either.

You guys can all play the blame game if you want. You can all say, Bush did this, and bush did that. Or you can say, no it was Clinton. Truth is, it's not either of their faults.

One day, you all may learn a little bit about our constitution. Until then though, I'll give you a little lesson.

The President of the United States, Has very little power. Yep, that's right. He can't just say, "I want to send us to war." he can suggest it. But then all of the State Reps. and senators have to vote on it. Guess what, most of them did (including our favorite frankenstine faced senator.)  

So, in reality, if you blame anyone for anything, you blame the House of Representatives.

That is my explination on why it's ridiculously stupid to blame a president, on anything, period.

Now can we please just lock, or delete this pointless topic, half of you don't know what you're talking about, and most of you can't even vote, (I can't vote, but believe me, I know my Civics)

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Post by: Bart_Fatima on October 31, 2004, 12:41:07 AM

i know all about the Pres. havin less power then people think.

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Post by: Snake Eater on October 31, 2004, 02:00:35 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again:
Bush Vs. Kerry
Whoever wins...
We lose

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Post by: MrMister on October 31, 2004, 02:18:23 AM

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Originally posted by gyrus
Haven't you seen Terminator 3?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on October 31, 2004, 05:12:40 AM

^ I agree

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Post by: RPG LORD on October 31, 2004, 07:26:22 AM

Everyone can have their own opinion about Bush and Kerry, but I'm remaining neutral.

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Post by: Drace on October 31, 2004, 08:32:47 AM

I'm not taking my time to read this all, but i vote kerry
I exspect that Bush will declare war on the netherlands if he continues to be your president

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Post by: Biebermaus on November 01, 2004, 07:17:24 PM

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Originally posted by shinotebasiiackh
Hm. Yeah, Bush was never in the armed forces.

 Well, Hitler was only 2 (I think) days armed in the 1st World War, after that he brought messages (I only wanted to say that u can not judge people by this).
But I'm against Bush and will now view Fahrenheit 9/11 on TV.

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Post by: carmen on November 01, 2004, 07:52:29 PM

F 911 was so Very one sided and embelished on bush's mistakes. It didn't tell you what good was done. Like instead of saying bush takes a break to golf, he didn't do it becuase of fun. he is REQUIRED to do that. Its a stress reliever, the make presidents get their mind off work to help him function. There's alota stuff like that inthere. Thats why I didn't like the movie. While there were facts, they also mislead people into believing alot thats not true.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 01, 2004, 08:43:29 PM

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Originally said on the news by Voter guy
Yeah, I'd vote for Bush. I feel he knows what a chilli dog is.... and has eaten one before.

A quality you obviously must have if you're running for president.

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Post by: Dominant on November 02, 2004, 02:58:24 AM

Tommorow's the Election... GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!  Get me my Sake and Tanto!  Anyone wanna cut my head off?  At least I'll die with honor before Bush, Kerry OR Nader screws the pooch!

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Post by: Drace on November 02, 2004, 06:15:58 AM

Today's the day
I pray for Kerry

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Post by: Biebermaus on November 02, 2004, 11:41:05 AM

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Originally posted by Dominant
Anyone wanna cut my head off?

give a katana to me and then I could help u.
There are specials about your election in TV at 1.35 am (Europe)... Well, to early for me in schooltime. But I don't really know who will win

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Post by: Osmose on November 02, 2004, 11:54:01 AM

*comes back after not reading* Wow, glitch. You must be a genius if you can come into any of these debate threads, say something, automatically be right, and then request the topic be locked so no one can go against what you say.

True, the presidents power is a it limited, but it is not to make him blameless. The president is responsible for proposing his own plans to the courts, and is also supposed to manage things a bit. I mean, if the president has no meaning, then this will soon turn into an Illuminati thread. And no one likes the crazies THAT attracts.

Presidents promise plans and make decisions. The volunteer themselves to be the scapegoat of their political party, and are leaders in their own right. For you to say we can't blame a president for the bad things happening is stupid, because if that is so, then why even have a president? Why not just have a head of congress who manages the courts, and let everything pass through the courts?

Face it. A president has power, and IMHO Bush abused his. Next time a president screws something up, I'll make sure to remind him that it's not his fault, it's Congress'

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Post by: X-F3R on November 02, 2004, 12:04:25 PM

I'd vote Kerry..

Bush = Anti-Middle East cuz Middle Eastern people tried to assasinate his daddy

don't know about Kerry, but since i've seen what bush could do (bring and declare war), it's time someone else took the seat.

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Post by: Apex on November 02, 2004, 12:52:07 PM

i vote kerry

i hate George W. Bush

his lies about weapons of mass desstruction and iraq helping in 9/11 (which neither were true) there has been over 100,000 inocent iraqies killed, 1300 usa soilders killed, and other soilders from japan, england and many other places.

he also knew about 9/11 before it happened! at least a month before he got a security breifing titled "osama bin laden plans to attack within the country!" he totally ignored it, didnt even warn anyone else, let alone read it!

the enviorment is hazzardis everywhere now, just becuase he stuck former oildrilling and lumber executives in charge of it!

thats just a few things... i pity who ever wants that man to win...

time to disapear again...

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Post by: SaiKar on November 02, 2004, 04:13:51 PM

I actually DID vote Kerry. Civic duty complete.

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Post by: Osmose on November 02, 2004, 04:19:48 PM

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Originally posted by SaiKar
I actually DID vote Kerry. Civic duty complete.

Damn you. WHY MUST AGE ALWAYS WORK AGAINST US?!

Can we propose that your vote be a force of two for my support?

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Post by: WarxePB on November 02, 2004, 04:36:18 PM

Even though I'm Canadian, it does concern me... at least, that's what my teacher says.

Bush had a good reason to go to war against Afghanistan, but the War in Iraq was almost unprovoked. If he'd stayed in Afghanistan and looked for Bin Laden, he wouldn't be in this much trouble. If I had to vote, I'd likely vote Bush because I agree with more of his ideals than Kerry's, but only if he devotes more resources to finding Bin Laden.

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Post by: Chrisdude on November 02, 2004, 06:16:01 PM

One of linkline's great great uuhh lots of greats grandpa was president. now he is dead. ya 189 yrs old probaly. I haven't speaken with her since she was 5 though.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 02, 2004, 10:06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Chrisdude
One of linkline's great great uuhh lots of greats grandpa was president. now he is dead. ya 189 yrs old probaly. I haven't speaken with her since she was 5 though.

Sounds a bit like a lie then.

You know whats funny? Stephen Hawking - The smartest man alive - was in the anti-bush protest. The smartest man alive. Is against bush. Makes you think, hmm?

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Post by: Dominant on November 02, 2004, 11:13:11 PM

 

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his lies about weapons of mass desstruction and iraq helping in 9/11

He didn't lie!  He just didn't know!

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 02, 2004, 11:39:48 PM

http://www.gnn.tv/content/emosh_hi.html

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 02, 2004, 11:44:45 PM

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Originally posted by Red Giant
Stephen Hawking - The smartest man alive - was in the anti-bush protest.

That means he's for Bush. It's double negatives, protesting against being against Bush.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 03, 2004, 12:50:33 AM

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Originally posted by AsakuraHao2004

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Originally posted by Red Giant Stephen Hawking - The smartest man alive - was in the anti-bush protest.

That means he's for Bush. It's double negatives, protesting against being against Bush.

Sorry, my grammar best it not.

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Post by: MSlash67 on November 03, 2004, 03:01:35 AM

Man  :bend:Bush  :bend:Is Whiping Kerry In the Election right now. :D

The mock Elections are true.
 

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 03, 2004, 03:15:46 AM

Yep

Bush- 176
Kerry- 112

(note the time when I posted this)

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Post by: Snake Eater on November 03, 2004, 03:16:08 AM

At my School we had a mock election and Kerry got 948 votes, Bush got 256 votes, and Nader got 2 votes. I remind you: My school is in California

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Post by: WarxePB on November 03, 2004, 04:05:14 AM

I want to share something with everyone.
Today, we were talking in English about the election. My teacher compared the US to the ancient Roman Empire. Though it doesn't control a lot of territory out of its borders, it does exert its influence by force. The president of America is similar to an emperor of Rome, but not as powerful politically. America has the strongest army in the world, and no one could stand up to them.
So what if America pulled out? There would be no "big dog (as my teacher put it)" in the world: no one country exerts as much influence as America. The world would become a lot more chaotic: sort of like the Dark Ages, but not as bad. Terrorism would spike, and we'd probably live in fear of bombings.
So, the new president matters a lot. Kerry, who seems more like a diplomat, might pull out, causing a chain reaction similar to the fall of Rome. If Bush wins, he might take other countries to war and waste more money and lives.

1st moral: America has more influence than we think, and the new president matters to everyone living on this planet.
2nd moral: We're screwed :P

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Post by: Snake Eater on November 03, 2004, 05:33:19 AM

Hey...My history teacher compared the U.S. to Rome. We had to make a venn diagram showing the differences :D

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 03, 2004, 06:11:39 AM

Bush 269
Kerry 211

Ahem...yeah. Unless Kerry wins the remaining states. Bush pretty much won. Excuse me while I go feast.

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Post by: Weregnome on November 03, 2004, 06:17:31 AM

If Bush wins then the world will be in a choatic judgement.. if kerry wins... eventually the same will occur... WE'RE SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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Post by: carmen on November 03, 2004, 06:24:38 AM

bush has basically won. Don't worry it'll be ok. Dude, you're in Aus. don't worry about it. Even if there is that rare chance kerry ties. Bush will still get elected.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 03, 2004, 06:42:48 AM

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Originally posted by Weregnome
If Bush wins then the world will be in a choatic judgement.. if kerry wins... eventually the same will occur... WE'RE SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

The choice between "You wanna die sooner or later?"

Alot like deciding if you wanna commit suicide.

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 03, 2004, 06:43:55 AM

^Look. If he wins my brother may get drafted. Bullshit that it'll be Ok. Kerry will win. THink positive.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 03, 2004, 07:17:12 AM

There won't be a draft! Congress already said they won't call it.

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Post by: Weregnome on November 03, 2004, 08:17:14 AM

Look Bush being on its gonna be hell. The end will be soon. The President of America basically controls the world...

as a journalist said (not sure about exact his/her words): When it comes to the President of America the whole world should vote because that one man has the power to control it.

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Post by: Osmose on November 03, 2004, 12:52:19 PM

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Originally posted by Weregnome
Look Bush being on its gonna be hell. The end will be soon. The President of America basically controls the world...

as a journalist said (not sure about exact his/her words): When it comes to the President of America the whole world should vote because that one man has the power to control it.

What the hell? Whoever said that should have their reporting liscense taken away. The President of America does NOT control the world. Hardly.

In fact, the world hates Bush, so how could he control it?


*looks at msn.com vote map*

*cries* What the hell was America thinking?! Bush wins, and we all lose...

Unless by some freak accident Kerry wins all the other states, that would put them both in a deadlock at 269 269. No doubt Bush would call for a recount at that point.

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Post by: SaiKar on November 03, 2004, 02:47:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
There won't be a draft! Congress already said they won't call it.

Yeah, and both candidates said it too, but I do not believe them.

To everyone that voted Bush: screw you. If I get drafted and killed in Iraq, I am SO coming back to haunt each and every one of you.

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Post by: Drace on November 03, 2004, 03:17:28 PM

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Originally posted by Red Giant
You know whats funny? Stephen Hawking - The smartest man alive - was in the anti-bush protest. The smartest man alive. Is against bush. Makes you think, hmm?

Go Weirdo Hawk

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on November 03, 2004, 03:53:37 PM

Stephen Hawking is dead... *Takes a minute of calmness in respect*

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Post by: Osmose on November 03, 2004, 06:00:26 PM

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Stephen Hawking is dead... *Takes a minute of calmness in respect*

No... the hell? Where did you hear that? He ain't dead.

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Post by: Sarg on November 03, 2004, 06:35:49 PM

He isn't dead, in fact, the Euclidean path integral over all topologically trivial metrics can be done by time slicing and so is unitary when analytically continued to the Lorentzian. On the other hand, the path integral over all topologically non-trivial metrics is asymptotically independent of the initial state. Thus the total path integral is unitary and information is not lost in the formation and evaporation of black holes. The way the information gets out seems to be that a true event horizon never forms, just an apparent horizon.

Oh, yeah, we are all so dead...

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Post by: Darkfox on November 03, 2004, 06:37:54 PM

Quite frankly I don't see what good will be done either way. Of course my reasons for Kerry rests solely in the Stim Cell research which would be very revolutionary. Just think... sombody could get new lungs, yet they are the person's lungs recreated. Confusing. People say that it is immoral, thinking that it requires aborted babies. That isn't so, they can get it from other sources which would be of no harm.

Some say Kerry is for abortion and all that which isn't true, he just says there should be the choice if somthing is wrong.

Well anyways, I'm primarily into that research because I'm seeing promise in it. If Bush was to support it, then heck, the guy would be great, but he don't, at least from what I heard which is pretty dumb. I mean, along time he may even need it. Just saying.

Btw, I'm not just one sided. I'm balanced out I just don't like the idea of some things.

As for drafting, well that is just stupid, it's uneeded, the only way this would happen if the government turns Nazi and starts some population control program, which would most likely lead to a new revolutionary war. They won't want to risk that.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 03, 2004, 06:47:40 PM

I've read on the news, Kerry is giving up. XD

Although news can be wrong.

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Post by: White Dwarf on November 03, 2004, 06:50:53 PM

well now the news has said that bush will problbly win the election


I pitty you!!!

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Post by: Sarg on November 03, 2004, 06:51:39 PM

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Originally posted by Darkfox
The only way this would happen if the government turns Nazi.

You know, that has almost happened already. And the only ones who can stop it are you, North American citizens. I dread the day when civil war comes to US.

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Post by: Darkfox on November 03, 2004, 06:56:56 PM

As I said, I'm in this for the medical research, because, if successful, would rid the need for donor organs. Which is double good. And posability of it being cheaper, which is really good for everybody. Hard to argue with this because at least one of you may need this in the future. Hopefully Bush will reconsider on his decision twards this, as I said, he would be stupid not to, then again he don't quite understand medical stuff... ugh... it's so tough.

OT: I think the choice of soldiers in the past was very poor since they were making them too much of killing machine when they also needed compassion as well. I heard some bad stuff on it, very bad. I know it hard to keep a level head but they need to keep that. We don't need another group of soldiers going kill crazy again. Too many civilians.

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Post by: White Dwarf on November 03, 2004, 07:01:46 PM

Bush has won
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 03, 2004, 07:03:59 PM

My prediction was correct

Bush 274
Kerry 252

Well Bush offcially won now. Thx for everybody on this discussion.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 03, 2004, 07:51:10 PM

Doomed it the world.

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Post by: Osmose on November 03, 2004, 08:41:48 PM

If we survive these next four years, I will personally shave my head, take a picture, and show you all.

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Post by: White Dwarf on November 03, 2004, 08:45:36 PM

I'll hold you to that

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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 03, 2004, 08:45:44 PM

Lockity lockity lock. This to-pic should-be locked. The election is over cuz Kerry fell over, so lockity lockity lock. :p

Uh, to sing it right, you have to know the tune to hickory dickory dock.

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Post by: White Dwarf on November 03, 2004, 08:54:56 PM

but people can still talk about the result of the election so this topic shouldent be locked......yet...

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Post by: Razor on November 03, 2004, 08:55:29 PM

i think I'd personally like to thank half of america for screwing the other half over. :p

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Post by: Red Giant on November 03, 2004, 09:01:16 PM

Everyone should be required to take an intelligence test before they vote. If this plan goes through, maybe we can implement a similar one for people who run for president _sweat_

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Post by: Weregnome on November 03, 2004, 09:04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Osmose

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Originally posted by Weregnome Look Bush being on its gonna be hell. The end will be soon. The President of America basically controls the world... as a journalist said (not sure about exact his/her words): When it comes to the President of America the whole world should vote because that one man has the power to control it.

What the hell? Whoever said that should have their reporting liscense taken away. The President of America does NOT control the world. Hardly.

In fact, the world hates Bush, so how could he control it?


*looks at msn.com vote map*

*cries* What the hell was America thinking?! Bush wins, and we all lose...

Unless by some freak accident Kerry wins all the other states, that would put them both in a deadlock at 269 269. No doubt Bush would call for a recount at that point.

look the american president basically controls the world. They fund the most money into the UN, have the strongest weapons and their influence across the world is enormous. thats my the journalist said that the world should vote for U.S president.

EDIT: Anywho.. it doesn't matter anymore. well cyas all... I'm gonna find a hide out so I can never be touched... mwhahahaha... especially if the world turns to ****.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 03, 2004, 09:08:52 PM

No, the president dosen't rule the world, congress can overpower most of his decisions. America is supposed to stay out of foriegn affairs, but we think we're so much better than everyone else, we must make our prescence know. I mean, we're the only ones who use our measurement system and we call it the Standard unit of measurement! WTF!?

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 03, 2004, 09:33:20 PM

atleast he won it fair n square this year, popular n electoral

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Post by: Razor on November 03, 2004, 09:44:51 PM

...and John Kerry was reported to have said:

"George Bush, you may have won the election, but I'll still be prettier than you!"

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Post by: Chrisdude on November 03, 2004, 09:45:33 PM

i hope bush dies

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Post by: on November 03, 2004, 09:46:02 PM

Removed.

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Post by: Weregnome on November 03, 2004, 09:48:30 PM

I'm Aussie but no need for that ***! (mods soz about the flaming). Look u can critise one's voting system but not them, they didn't go out and create it. Plus by what I can understand not all Americans r yanks.

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Post by: Osmose on November 03, 2004, 09:51:25 PM

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Originally posted by Kain_Drinker_of_Souls
I'm english so go screw ur stupid voting system u bunch of yanks!!

I'm American so I say screw you and your abiguously gay new social claass, you chav!

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Post by: Razor on November 03, 2004, 09:51:50 PM

and just when I think england is a good country, some poor woman gives birth to YOU.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 03, 2004, 09:55:57 PM

Kain, do not let me see you make discriminative comments again.
Wergnome, thats ok, you weren't flaming because you did not insult him personally.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 03, 2004, 09:55:58 PM

You gotta admit that the electoral system is a little silly. It should be by vote...each and every last on of them.

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 03, 2004, 10:02:41 PM

 

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There won't be a draft! Congress already said they won't call it.

So... have you ever heard of L.F.O.? No? How about Napalm? Ever heard of that? Good. L.F.O. and Naplam are the same thing. But when they banned Napalm, they just renamed it so they could keep using it.

So, no, they won't re-instate the draft. They'll just rename the draft and pass that. Just like they did with Napalm.

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Post by: Osmose on November 03, 2004, 10:04:50 PM

The electoral system was invented to compensate for lack of communication. Way back in the ole days, it might take weeks for news of a canidate dying, or quitting, or something else happening. So they had the normal vote, and then sent their electoral to the electoral collage to make their final vote, where they could all get the latest news to make their final decision, in case they needed to change the vote.

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Post by: James_Bond_007 on November 04, 2004, 12:55:51 AM

Personally I would vote for Kerry cos I think Bush messed up

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Post by: Darkfox on November 04, 2004, 01:08:28 AM

I'm not putting faith in a single man. Especially an old grayed one.

Lets just see how this turns out...

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Post by: WarxePB on November 04, 2004, 01:26:48 AM

The only way it could get worse is it Bush reinstates the draft and declares war against another country such as North Korea. Then we'd really be screwed. The scary thing is, he just might do that *shudders*

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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 04, 2004, 01:28:05 AM

Errm...if you're talking about how the election will turn out, it's already over. Bush won because Kerry conceded. If you're talking about how these four years will turn out, then I don't really have anything I can say. I can't predict the future, after all.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on November 04, 2004, 01:34:29 AM

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Originally posted by Chrisdude
i hope bush dies

Question, do you live in America? If you do, you could be charged for treason. Never say that you want your own leader to die. IF you hate Bush so much, leave the country. No one is stopping you.

And for the rest of you people who don't want a draft. Yes, Congress has said that there will be no draft, but I am completely appalled at how piss weak you people are. You guys don't want to fight for your freedom, but you're willing to have others die so you can have freedom. That's bullshit. Many of the soldiers fight for our freedom and I respect them greatly for that. I despise people who don't want to fight for freedom, but will feed off freedom given by the soldiers.

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Post by: Chrisdude on November 04, 2004, 01:35:04 AM

i'll be funny if iraq or the terrorists bombed the white house. HA HA HA!

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do you live in america?

Yes i do. Cartersville Ga

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on November 04, 2004, 01:37:22 AM

So you'd rather have terrorists rule our country? You are one sick son of a bitch.

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Post by: WarxePB on November 04, 2004, 01:45:33 AM

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Many of the soldiers fight for our freedom

Yeah. They fought for our freedom in WWI and WWII. The war in Iraq is nothing but a waste of life and money, and everyone knows it.
Before you argue with me, consider this: A country is soverign. It can do whatever it wants within its own borders without intervention from another country.
So Saddam tortured his own people. That's cruel, but America had NO REASON to intervene. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
If Saddam had launched an attack on America like Bin Laden did, Bush would've had good reason to attack them. But what did he have? A grudge and a report that said he had WMDs.

EDIT: For the record, I WOULD help out, was there another World War. I just don't like useless wars where people get butchered needlessly.

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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 04, 2004, 01:50:10 AM

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i'll be funny if iraq or the terrorists bombed the white house. HA HA HA!

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do you live in america?

Yes i do. Cartersville Ga

OMGOSH! That is the sickest thing of heard! How the heck can you say something like that. You know, you're one of those people who probably thought that the 9/11 attacks were cool. You're one of those people who "don't know what you got, until it's gone." You my friend, are one of those people who gets everything handed to them, never has to work for anything, and can't give an OUNCE of respect to what you have. You make me sick, chrisdude. I'm sorry if I'm flaming, but that statement was outright WRONG. You need to learn what the word respect means chrisdude. And when you do, start giving it. Shame on you for saying such a thing. :badboy:

Oh yeah, and Sonic, I agree. We should have faith in our country, and our soldiers who are fighting in the war. That's about the only thing that we can do is have faith, and if we don't, then the country will fall apart. (emotional wise)

Oh, btw, Warxe, the reason we went to war with Iraq is that we saw a threat, and Bush wanted to stop something before it happened. Even though you can say now that it's a waste of time because there were no weapons of mass destruction, what about then. Pretty much everyone agreed that we should take action and prevent something bad from happening. We took a risk, because we thought is was the best thing to do. Even though now, we see there's no weapons, but they could've been moved. Or they might be hidden in a really good spot. You never know.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 04, 2004, 02:07:36 AM

That would be awesome Chris... how about during one of the Little Leauge games with all the rich fags just enjoying their day with their kids and then THEY ALL DIE!!!

An Sonic, do YOU live in America? We have freedom of speach, as well as protest. Saying "I hope Bush dies" is just formulating words and no one can do anything about it.

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Post by: Chrisdude on November 04, 2004, 02:45:16 AM

i hate bush. my dad died in iraq

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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 04, 2004, 02:51:48 AM

My sympathies. Though, I see why you have a grudge, shouldn't you be more faithful towards your country? If your dad fought for you and everyone in America, then shouldn't you be more proud to be an American? I thank your dad for fighting for us. You should be happy too. I don't think your dad would've wanted you to say something like that (what you said I mean). After all, he was in the war. I'm sorry though. I know how it feels to lose a loved one.

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Post by: Chrisdude on November 04, 2004, 02:59:20 AM

also my mom but she didn't die. we were in New York. She was sick that day on 9/11. im so happy. Hopwe Bush does better. he still makes me sick. about 3 weeks after his election. He declared war. WTF

Some one needs to lock this topic before it turns into a fameing war. common lock it

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 04, 2004, 04:35:59 AM

flame war o.o

The topic seems to be going fine to me.

Anyway if Kerry would've won, in the future he would've pulled out the troops. Some would have said "yay" But many agree, that we are scared of terrorism and we are taking them to control over us. A stupid way of lookking at it? Not really.

Osama said that if Bush was re-elected he was going to attack US harder than on 9/11. We re-elected Bush. Good actually. If we would've pick Kerry for that reason, or for those who DID for that reason, America would show that is allowing terrorism to control over it.

I was afraid that if Kerry would've been elected, he would be to naive to know what to do in case of any attack. He doesn't take many action, and changes his own mind very frequently contradicting himself, constantly.

Well I was for Bush. And well many said, "May the best Man win" and well it did.

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Post by: Snake Eater on November 04, 2004, 04:50:20 AM

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Originally posted by Chrisdude
also my mom but she didn't die. we were in New York. She was sick that day on 9/11. im so happy. Hopwe Bush does better. he still makes me sick. about 3 weeks after his election. He declared war. WTF

Some one needs to lock this topic before it turns into a fameing war. common lock it

What do you mean common lock it?

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 04, 2004, 04:53:54 AM

Proud to be an american... Yep. Yee-haw. I are an american.

Too bad, because of Bush, we're the most hated country in the world. But who cares?! We have Dubya!

See our good old buddy in action:
 
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=bushuncensored.wmv
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=sovereignty.mov
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=georgewbushdrunk.wmv
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/presaddress.html

And after been blown away by his amazing mind, hows about lip sing:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=bushlip.mpg

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Post by: Drace on November 04, 2004, 05:55:26 AM

So did Bush won

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Post by: Relentless Soulscar on November 04, 2004, 06:06:20 AM

i think that now that bush has won, other contries will believe we aproove of what he did (war). and i think another 9/11 will happen. kerrys been to war before so he knows how it feels, so it would be a last resort for him, bush on the other hand will lead us to war again after the next terrorist attack...

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Post by: carmen on November 04, 2004, 07:46:07 AM

I think that opinions here are skewed. I think Bush has done and will do fine. Many people I've seen reply here who aren't american...and who are like 12. lol You know I know that your information is narrow and what you know is either from your parents and the little bit of news you've seen. I've been following these guys pretty well. And I've read allllll about iraq and 9/11. He's made some mistakes, but in all he's made a good leader. And there isn't goign to be a draft. The topic was brought up just to put it out there. Even the ppl who brought it up didn't vote for it. SooooOoo sai'kar you're not getting drafted v_v' Maybe you need to be in the military anyways XD

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Post by: Sarg on November 04, 2004, 08:05:27 AM

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i think that now that bush has won, other contries will believe we aproove of what he did (war).

Bingo!!! We do. Yesterday I heard a lot of people on the street saying: "These Americans are all morons" or "These mad Americans are going to get us all killed" or other things with a similar meaning. Not that I share those ideas, except for the part where the US gets us all killed...

Also, people don't like Americans thinking they are better than the rest of us. Specially when we know for fact that Swedes have the best society on Earth :D

Two years ago, an American friend visited Spain. She said: "Wow, I can't believe the political system in Spain is so good. THIS is democracy!". I replied: "Damn, then how is it in US?????".

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Post by: Osmose on November 04, 2004, 11:42:38 AM

Not ALL americans think they're better than you. The smart ones want to escape. TAKE ME TO IRELAND, MOMMY!

I'd do anything to not be a part of this country right now. I mean, this is just proof that too many people are just believing what the president says without any thought to the "Maybe he's wrong."

What really disgusts me, however, is the whole "I'm a patriot, I voted Bush!" crap. The word patriot is used for the soldiers who fought for our freedom from the british. You think you can share that title because you went down to your local highschool and checked a box?

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Post by: Xecoa on November 04, 2004, 12:44:27 PM

BUSH WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Drace on November 04, 2004, 03:07:11 PM

NOOOOOO







sorry for the spam but this is real bad

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Post by: Ryoshin on November 04, 2004, 05:10:59 PM

Think about it. If americans hate Bush so much, then HOW DID HE WIN?!

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Post by: SaiKar on November 04, 2004, 05:33:34 PM

They feel they have some sort of patriotic duty to support him, because voting against the president is voting against America, or some crap like that.

Killing Bush would not provide more then momentary vindication. Cheney would take over and he has about the same agenda, as does most of the government, or at least the ones in the line for the Presidency in the case of deaths higher up.

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Post by: MrMister on November 04, 2004, 06:12:19 PM

 

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Post by: Red Giant on November 04, 2004, 06:17:32 PM

What you need, right, is to elect a dog as president, then lay out biscuits in front of it and do things in accordance of which biscuit it takes.

Because... you know.... itd be funny for me.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 04, 2004, 08:26:26 PM

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Hahahaha!! Damn that's so true.

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Post by: MrMister on November 04, 2004, 08:48:52 PM

What good is democracy when the majority can't tell their *** from a hole in the ground?

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Post by: Weregnome on November 04, 2004, 09:24:44 PM

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Originally posted by Sarg
Also, people don't like Americans thinking they are better than the rest of us. Specially when we know for fact that Swedes have the best society on Earth :D

Damn straight! I'm Aussie but I've always wanted to live in Sweden. Not sure why, I just feel it'd be a peaceful place to settle down.

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Post by: MrMister on November 04, 2004, 09:27:40 PM

Yeah, Sweden has an even bigger metal scene than Seattle.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 04, 2004, 10:07:56 PM

u know 1 thing i cant stand:

its a stupid kerryite. dont get me wrong, im no bush follower, but i i had to vote this year (im 14) id be among the 1% that voted nader, because i dont like bush OR kerry.

kerry is stupid. he thinks he is going to fix everything, including socail securiy, in 4 years. i like to hunt for game, like deer or squirrels. kerry voted against guns, not jus assault weapons, ALL guns. he tried to lie and say he didnt, but fact are facts. kerry says he himself is a hunter and hes hunted since he was a boy. in the area he grew up in, there is a very low pecentage of hunters, because there are many technicalities to buy a gun and hunt, so that is unlikely, plus he voted against all guns. kerry sucks just as much as bush, and even if he had gotten elected, the congress and the house is still mainly republicans

anyone who doesnt know anything about politics and jus wants to say bush is dumb, probly dont kno sh*t bout him jus like those who hate rap but dont kno shi*t bout it so freedom of speech dis:
SCREW YALL ALLA YALL! IF U DONT LIKE BUSH, BLOW HIM!

Screw Kerry, Bush, n frikin Edwards, n lil Dick! BiLl ClInToN 4 lyfe!!!! lol

oh ya, and just because kerry is a good speaker doesnt mean hes smart. neither one of them write their speeches

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Post by: Razor on November 05, 2004, 12:30:35 AM

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Originally posted by byrdbrayn
u know 1 thing i cant stand:

its a stupid kerryite. dont get me wrong, im no bush follower, but i i had to vote this year (im 14) id be among the 1% that voted nader, because i dont like bush OR kerry.

kerry is stupid. he thinks he is going to fix everything, including socail securiy, in 4 years. i like to hunt for game, like deer or squirrels. kerry voted against guns, not jus assault weapons, ALL guns. he tried to lie and say he didnt, but fact are facts. kerry says he himself is a hunter and hes hunted since he was a boy. in the area he grew up in, there is a very low pecentage of hunters, because there are many technicalities to buy a gun and hunt, so that is unlikely, plus he voted against all guns. kerry sucks just as much as bush, and even if he had gotten elected, the congress and the house is still mainly republicans

anyone who doesnt know anything about politics and jus wants to say bush is dumb, probly dont kno sh*t bout him jus like those who hate rap but dont kno shi*t bout it so freedom of speech dis:
SCREW YALL ALLA YALL! IF U DONT LIKE BUSH, BLOW HIM!

Screw Kerry, Bush, n frikin Edwards, n lil Dick! BiLl ClInToN 4 lyfe!!!! lol

oh ya, and just because kerry is a good speaker doesnt mean hes smart. neither one of them write their speeches

that made you sound like an idiot.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 05, 2004, 12:38:26 AM

I agree...you seem to have very little knowledge of the state that America is in and how the president is handeling issues. But I think people should stop worrying so much. With statistics juxtaposed to those of other countries, America's doing pretty good. When the last time a terrorist dropped a bomb in your city? Exactly. So why is government trying to scare us? It's to make us believe more in them. When we're scared, we're confused, so we must turn to government...they have us right where thay want us, when there's really nothing to be afraid of.

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Post by: oooog on November 05, 2004, 01:12:29 AM

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BiLl ClInToN 4 lyfe!!!! lol

No offense, but that us about the only thing you said I agree on.  Everyone blames Bush for all this bad stuff, and I do agree with them ,some of the time.  It isnt at all his fault that were loosing jobs.  its the companies that give our jobs away to other countries.  Bush cannot stop this, so it isnt his fault.  But this whole Iraq issue, i am completly against, mainly because once im 18, and hes in office again now, so this is a complete possibilty, in 4 years, ill have about 5 months till the next election, that is plenty of time to get drafted and end up fighting this war, cuz we all know it'll keep going untill Bush leaves office.

Now Kerry, if you watched his commercials closely, he was promising the exact same thing Bush is promising, or has already delivered, nuff said.

Now Clinton, despite the huge scandels and lies, what went wrong when he was in office, obviously nothing big because there were no huge issues that were big enough to remember now.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 05, 2004, 10:34:16 PM

Guess what? If kerry was in office when bush was, he would have sent troops into iraq too, i mean he did vote on it. besides, typing "i hate bush" doesnt make you any smarter looking. neither one of them are any good, but everyone who "hates bush" n no i don't "hate him" i just think some people could do better than him as president, but u guys better get used to him cuz the house the senate n the president are now majorly republican, so he will be having his way alot, plus he gets 2 appoint some justices beecause the other ones are retiring (i think maybe the chief justice)

anyway, i know more about whats happeninig than any "i hate bush! or dam bush 2 hell" person who doesnt even say why they hate bush

an posting: vote for me im better than the rest makes u look really dumb

if i got drafted id fight, i don't have a problem with defending my country

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 05, 2004, 10:50:56 PM

"if i got drafted id fight, i don't have a problem with defending my country"

DEFEND our contry? Oh yeah, of course, I forgot when Iraq tryed to take us by land, air, and sea assualt. And just because you would have no problem killing other people doesn't meant that other people share your opinion.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 05, 2004, 10:58:31 PM

remeber, in the new osama video he mentioned something about terrorists making a move if we dont "elect the right person" which im quite positive was kerry, becase osama hates bush, so i wouldnt put it psat them. to you kno what "jihad" is? it means fight, but it is used as a title for intese hatred toward jews and americans, more so jews, but still americans also. they learn this jihad (or jihud i forget which) in schools at ages starting around 12. they learn how to kill americans. at 12. delightful, eh? i think if they are that willing to kill us, i dont have any problem killing them.

obviously there must have been some peanut in the content above lol

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Post by: MrMister on November 05, 2004, 11:12:32 PM

Why would you vote for a third party? Nothing they propose would get passed.

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Post by: Dominant on November 07, 2004, 04:42:51 PM

CAN WE PLEASE NOT TALK ABOUT POLITICS! IT'S TEARING US APART!!

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Post by: Sarg on November 07, 2004, 06:34:31 PM

Osama hates Bush? Heh, I don't think so.

Byrdbrayn, you should inform yourself about the topics you are discussing before commiting such blatant disrespects as you have done. Here is some more info about "Jihad":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Not all Muslims are sadistic killing machines. In fact, few of them are. If you want to hate for the sake of hating, go ahead, but it is my humble opinion that it won't solve anything at all.

Dominant: Tearing us apart? I feel myself pretty whole and complete. Discussing isn't bad, provided that it is done in a civilized fashion, and even though this thread might have turned into a flame war, it hasn't.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 07, 2004, 06:50:55 PM

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CAN WE PLEASE NOT TALK ABOUT POLITICS! IT'S TEARING US APART!!

This is a political debate thread. What else are we to talk about, Canada?

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Post by: tyia on November 07, 2004, 07:14:26 PM

 

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I said it before and I'll say it again:Bush Vs. Kerry
Whoever wins...
We lose

That's true,I'm not even worry because in the end everyone will drop dead and die. Judgement day is among us.

(sorry if I'm being morbid,didn't eat breakfast.)
 
 

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Everyone can have their own opinion about Bush and Kerry, but I'm remaining neutral.  

I totally agree dude, it doesn't matter.

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Post by: Razor on November 07, 2004, 09:32:17 PM

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That's true,I'm not even worry because in the end everyone will drop dead and die. Judgement day is among us.

(sorry if I'm being morbid,didn't eat breakfast.)

ROFL! Best. Excuse. Ever.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 07, 2004, 09:36:48 PM

Hahahaha!! Now I can answer when people are all like "Why are you all sad and depressed all the time?"

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on November 08, 2004, 09:15:43 AM

 

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Think about it. If americans hate Bush so much, then HOW DID HE WIN?!

Well the 49% of the US that didn't vote for him was over-ruled by the 51% that voted for Bush. Now, I'm sure that you can figure out the math here. It's something like 51 being a bigger number that 49.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 08, 2004, 09:25:00 PM

#1 ok yes osama does hate bush no matter what he said on his stupid tape he hates him

#2 i am not racist against islamics i dont really know anyone very well who is islamic but i dont have any problem wit them and i wouldn't care about race as long as i like their personality, but i do dislike terrorists. i guess u could say im "racist" (lack of better word) against terrorists, because they all have 1 thing in common: they hate certain groups of pepul, which i dislike

Not all Muslims are sadistic killing machines. In fact, few of them are. If you want to hate for the sake of hating, go ahead, but it is my humble opinion that it won't solve anything at all. =Quote of Sarg

uh i never said all muslims were i said all terrorists were matter of fact i didnt mention muslims once


Islamist movements (such as Al Qaida or Hamas) have declared jihad themselves, thus attempting to bypass the de facto authorities. =Quote of Sarg's jihud link

this is the jihud i was talking about not any other jihuds, i mean the kind where terrorists and kids who will someday be terrorists learn how to kill jews and americans

i dont care if ur a muslim i like all races, i discriminate only against TERRORIST (key word: terrorist) muslims (or any other terrorists)


2 mrmr= i would vote for a 3rd party cuz they wont get elected anyway i dont even like nader but i dont like bush or kerry, but i still would want to vote

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 08, 2004, 09:28:14 PM

Well it's not just Muslims that hate America. All those countries do, because we're so powerful and ominipresent. All the other countries are praising Afganistan for having the balls to attack America when they didn't.

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Post by: Red Giant on November 08, 2004, 10:06:11 PM

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Well it's not just Muslims that hate America. All those countries do, because we're so powerful and ominipresent. All the other countries are praising Afganistan for having the balls to attack America when they didn't.

You sound like one of those people who has never visited "all other countries".

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Post by: Sarg on November 08, 2004, 10:31:05 PM

For God's sake, I don't want to attack North America! Nor I am praising terrorist actions. Trust me that I felt the loss of the people at 9/11/2001 as much as any American would. And some people I know were wounded AND killed at Madrid's bombing last spring. Red Giant is right.

But I dislike ALL terrorist actions. And I think Irak war was a terrorist action. That's why I jumped at Byrdbrain when I thought he was only targeting Muslims.

And that's why Spain's former government, which supported the war, was kicked away from power. I am amazed and puzzled to see that North Americans don't see it that way. Bush isn't much better than Osama, as far as I can see.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 08, 2004, 10:36:19 PM

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Originally posted by AsakuraHao2004 Well it's not just Muslims that hate America. All those countries do, because we're so powerful and ominipresent. All the other countries are praising Afganistan for having the balls to attack America when they didn't.

You sound like one of those people who has never visited "all other countries".

Well......... I mean all those countries with mass poverty and stuff. Britain or wherever the hell you are isn't like that.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 09, 2004, 05:31:48 PM

well i dont kno y u jumped at me if it wuz clear i didnt hate muslims. since i only mentioned hatin terrorists

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Post by: Sarg on November 09, 2004, 06:33:42 PM

Because you used the term "jihad", which is used by Muslims with different meanings.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 09, 2004, 06:54:32 PM

I said it before. If we would've gotten rid of Bush, America would've said "We are scare of you, taht why we are taking him down.". We would actually be giving in to terrorists. And kerry was going to pull out the troops, also showing that we were giving in to terrorists.

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Post by: SnakeIzeGambit on November 09, 2004, 09:08:37 PM

i dont agree with that. Our vote shouldnt be based on a message that is bein sent to another country it should be based on who we think would do a better job. If we wanted to give out messages however, pulling out of the war would show that we aren't scared.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on November 09, 2004, 10:16:37 PM

What I meant is that some voters DID vote for that, sadly really, but it did however have somewhat of an influence.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 10, 2004, 02:25:39 AM

if america was responding to threats, kerry would have been elected, because in the new osama video, osama said how terrorists veiw us depends on who we elect

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Post by: Red Giant on November 10, 2004, 02:28:28 AM

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Well......... I mean all those countries with mass poverty and stuff. Britain or wherever the hell you are isn't like that.

"All other countries" is a funny way to say that.

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Post by: MrMister on November 11, 2004, 01:57:09 AM

Duuhh, OBVIOUSLY if you aren't in America you're part of the third world.

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Post by: byrdbrayn on November 13, 2004, 02:16:41 AM

dude lots of pepul actually think that, sadly

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Post by: Razor on November 13, 2004, 11:21:29 PM

Especially in the day after tomorrow!
since when has Australia been a third world country, you stupid director guy?