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Off-Topic => Really Old Stuff => Archive => Charas.EX => Topic started by: GaryCXJk on May 04, 2005, 08:04:45 PM

Title: Charas.EX possible change
Post by: GaryCXJk on May 04, 2005, 08:04:45 PM: Dear users,

As you might know Charas.EX is going trough a sort of halt. This is because PureBasic is sort of limited, too limited to actually add new functions. This is why I come with this.

I'm thinking about changing Charas.EX to Delphi. This will bring some advantages, but also some disadvantages:

Advantages:
- Everybody with Delphi can work with it.
- Support for facesets and battlechar sets in one program.
- Hopefully better updater.

Disadvantages:
- The old resources as well as the old characters won't work anymore.
- It might take a while to actually make.

This is where I need your help.

First, I want to know if you want this switch, seeing as it can bring other advantages (but also disadvantages).

Also, if the thing gets trough, I need some help with programming. I don't know much about Delphi, so if you would be kind to help in any way, it is apreciated.

Also, I need a different way to pack the resources. The original Charas.EX uses the packing function of PureBasic. If anyone is familiar with this method and can emulate it, or even just take it from PureBasic, please tell me.

Any help is apreciated, except of course resources, since we can't work with resources if it is not yet implementable. Or something like that.

Thank you for your time,

Gary
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Post by: GhostClown on May 04, 2005, 10:19:25 PM: I say yes, sounds good to me.
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Post by: X-F3R on May 05, 2005, 04:25:15 AM: sounds good!

can't help with the coding because i've only started programming a year ago, and the college i'm in has only taught us how to use C and Java.

this semester, we're gonna be dealing with Visual Basic, or Visual C++.. i donno.. but is Delphi the better choice? dont really know much in which code language is better cuz i'm just a beginner, so u tell me =P
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Post by: GaryCXJk on May 05, 2005, 11:05:31 AM: In C++ it's better, it has way more possibilities, but Delphi is the next best choice for me, since it has an easier GUI builder.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on May 05, 2005, 01:35:47 PM: I don't know anything about PureBasic or Delphi, but if it will make Charas.ex a lot better, then I'd like the switch! :)
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Post by: mind-master: brain(mmb) on May 05, 2005, 01:42:31 PM: yeah it would improve charas-ex. tough the time of making, but its worth waiting isnt it :D, i think the disadvantage of the old characters is a litle down but yeah, i can live with it:p, id like to see the new charas ex. so id say id like to see the switch ^^
i think this would improve charas ex. yeah...:)
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Post by: Scarface Larry on May 05, 2005, 02:48:16 PM: Sounds good, the advantages are more than the disadvantages, and if someone want's the old charas just download it now and put in a seperate folder.
:viking:
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Post by: X-F3R on May 05, 2005, 03:38:57 PM: is a GUI Builder like the thingy that constructs the window of the program? o.O it's the first time i ever heard of it.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on May 05, 2005, 08:44:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by X-F3R
is a GUI Builder like the thingy that constructs the window of the program? o.O it's the first time i ever heard of it.
GUI = General User Interface. It's like, almost every visual thing. Think about buttons, scrollbars, titlebars, etc.

C++ doesn't have a standard GUI builder, Delphi does. However, because of that, Delphi too can be limited. C++ is harder, but can do more.
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Post by: Snake Eater on May 05, 2005, 10:47:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks
I don't know anything about PureBasic or Delphi, but if it will make Charas.ex a lot better, then I'd like the switch! :)

Same here. :)
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Post by: X-F3R on May 06, 2005, 02:59:29 PM: Quote
GUI = General User Interface. It's like, almost every visual thing. Think about buttons, scrollbars, titlebars, etc.

C++ doesn't have a standard GUI builder, Delphi does. However, because of that, Delphi too can be limited. C++ is harder, but can do more.

ok, just as i suspected =P

since that's the case, do u know how to program Visual Basic? in your opinion, is VB more limited than Delphi? u'll find out why i'm asking all these later =p
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Post by: EJ on May 07, 2005, 07:19:54 AM: I said you must make the switch, at least you could try it
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Post by: GaryCXJk on May 07, 2005, 04:56:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by X-F3R

ok, just as i suspected =P

since that's the case, do u know how to program Visual Basic? in your opinion, is VB more limited than Delphi? u'll find out why i'm asking all these later =p
I never programmed in Visual Basic, but from what I heard VB is much better than Delphi.
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Post by: Osmose on May 07, 2005, 05:00:35 PM: VB IS much better than Delphi. The GUI builder is the simplest and best thing I've seen, and it's not really limited by it at all.
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Post by: EJ on May 09, 2005, 12:45:13 PM: If you create it in VB, I could help you i know something about API's and bitblt. and if you dont know what im talking about, i know enough to create a program like charas.ex in VB =)
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Post by: GaryCXJk on May 11, 2005, 10:00:17 AM: Well, if I find Visual Basic I'll try it there, since I can find much more help with this language.
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Post by: Osmose on May 11, 2005, 10:25:19 AM: I hate bitblt, mainly for the need for a double image to create transparency.
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Post by: EJ on May 11, 2005, 01:28:31 PM: that's when you use a mask... i was thinking about tranparentblt because it's easyier, but still fast
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Post by: Shenku_Tenbroya on May 17, 2005, 10:37:25 AM: Yes, you definately should.

Delphi is so much faster. And if you get a new-ish designer/compiler it makes the actual forms look very good.

:D
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Post by: Ian'sRPGstuff on June 05, 2005, 10:38:55 PM: Well i will miss everything but i do love a very fast website!
:D
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Post by: Greylan on June 20, 2005, 05:00:11 AM: I understand that the current character sets and all wont be compatible with the newer system but will you be able to remake them for it?

I'd like to see the anthro *maybe even some werewolf* characters continue into the remade version.
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Post by: chaosblender on July 22, 2005, 10:50:50 AM: Well...

I could help with the coding. I have experience in Programming with Delphi, but I think I have to make my way through FreeImage (If it is used) and the Delphi wrapper.
If you like, I'll help you.
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Post by: BlackIceAdept on July 22, 2005, 03:16:33 PM: go for it
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Post by: drenrin2120 on July 22, 2005, 03:26:19 PM: Losing the resources would be a major loss, and some ppl might leave because of it. But loyal Charas fans will stay and we can easily build it back up in a newer version. I think it's worth the risk! Let's do it.
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Post by: Reflekt on July 23, 2005, 07:30:23 PM: Are some of you not reading this AT ALL? jeez he said CHARAS.EX not the SITE, but the OFFLINE mode
and if you don't even understand the difference, you have no business even looking at a computer...
it is common sense, OFFLINE means NOT onLine... :frag:
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Post by: Darkfox on July 23, 2005, 07:32:23 PM: What are you babbling on about?
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Post by: Reflekt on July 23, 2005, 07:34:08 PM: there are some posters who are saying things without even really reading WHAT is going on... the offline version is going for a change, not the site...

and it was a rant...
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Post by: Darkfox on July 23, 2005, 07:35:48 PM: Who does? And stoppit.
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Post by: Reflekt on July 23, 2005, 07:39:46 PM: drenin and a few others...
...

nevermind I see that this is a lost cause...
there seems to be now way for anyone to understand
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Post by: Darkfox on July 23, 2005, 07:42:08 PM: It was a lost cause as soon as you decided to rant over somthing... and I think you misread their posts ENTIRELY!! There was already an offline chara maker, and the problem is that the resources that currently work on it, probably will not on the new one.

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- The old resources as well as the old characters won't work anymore.

See?

You totally jumped the gun there... -_-
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Post by: GaryCXJk on July 29, 2005, 06:51:47 PM: I also want to add to this that all though the new Charas.EX, which will probably be on either Delphi or Visual Basic (depending on the feedback of either of them), won't support the old resources anymore, I will try to create a converter for the old resources. If I fail, I'll just reïmport every resource before I'll post the final.
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Post by: Greylan on July 30, 2005, 11:22:45 PM: Cool. I meant to ask if there was any way to create a plugin or something to import the old stuff.