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Title: Talking Yougurt and Immortality
Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on June 27, 2005, 01:51:46 AM

2050 - and immortality is within our grasp

Britain's leading thinker on the future offers an extraordinary vision of life in the next 45 years

David Smith, technology correspondent
Sunday May 22, 2005
The Observer

Aeroplanes will be too afraid to crash, yoghurts will wish you good morning before being eaten and human consciousness will be stored on supercomputers, promising immortality for all - though it will help to be rich.

These fantastic claims are not made by a science fiction writer or a crystal ball-gazing lunatic. They are the deadly earnest predictions of Ian Pearson, head of the futurology unit at BT.

'If you draw the timelines, realistically by 2050 we would expect to be able to download your mind into a machine, so when you die it's not a major career problem,' Pearson told The Observer. 'If you're rich enough then by 2050 it's feasible. If you're poor you'll probably have to wait until 2075 or 2080 when it's routine. We are very serious about it. That's how fast this technology is moving: 45 years is a hell of a long time in IT.'

Pearson, 44, has formed his mind-boggling vision of the future after graduating in applied mathematics and theoretical physics, spending four years working in missile design and the past 20 years working in optical networks, broadband network evolution and cybernetics in BT's laboratories. He admits his prophecies are both 'very exciting' and 'very scary'.

He believes that today's youngsters may never have to die, and points to the rapid advances in computing power demonstrated last week, when Sony released the first details of its PlayStation 3. It is 35 times more powerful than previous games consoles. 'The new PlayStation is 1 per cent as powerful as a human brain,' he said. 'It is into supercomputer status compared to 10 years ago. PlayStation 5 will probably be as powerful as the human brain.'

The world's fastest computer, IBM's BlueGene, can perform 70.72 trillion calculations per second (teraflops) and is accelerating all the time. But anyone who believes in the uniqueness of consciousness or the soul will find Pearson's next suggestion hard to swallow. 'We're already looking at how you might structure a computer that could possibly become conscious. There are quite a lot of us now who believe it's entirely feasible.

'We don't know how to do it yet but we've begun looking in the same directions, for example at the techniques we think that consciousness is based on: information comes in from the outside world but also from other parts of your brain and each part processes it on an internal sensing basis. Consciousness is just another sense, effectively, and that's what we're trying to design in a computer. Not everyone agrees, but it's my conclusion that it is possible to make a conscious computer with superhuman levels of intelligence before 2020.'

He continued: 'It would definitely have emotions - that's one of the primary reasons for doing it. If I'm on an aeroplane I want the computer to be more terrified of crashing than I am so it does everything to stay in the air until it's supposed to be on the ground.

'You can also start automating an awful lots of jobs. Instead of phoning up a call centre and getting a machine that says, "Type 1 for this and 2 for that and 3 for the other," if you had machine personalities you could have any number of call staff, so you can be dealt with without ever waiting in a queue at a call centre again.'

Pearson, from Whitehaven in Cumbria, collaborates on technology with some developers and keeps a watching brief on advances around the world. He concedes the need to debate the implications of progress. 'You need a completely global debate. Whether we should be building machines as smart as people is a really big one. Whether we should be allowed to modify bacteria to assemble electronic circuitry and make themselves smart is already being researched.

'We can already use DNA, for example, to make electronic circuits so it's possible to think of a smart yoghurt some time after 2020 or 2025, where the yoghurt has got a whole stack of electronics in every single bacterium. You could have a conversation with your strawberry yogurt before you eat it.'

In the shorter term, Pearson identifies the next phase of progress as 'ambient intelligence': chips with everything. He explained: 'For example, if you have a pollen count sensor in your car you take some antihistamine before you get out. Chips will come small enough that you can start impregnating them into the skin. We're talking about video tattoos as very, very thin sheets of polymer that you just literally stick on to the skin and they stay there for several days. You could even build in cellphones and connect it to the network, use it as a video phone and download videos or receive emails.'

Philips, the electronics giant, is developing the world's first rollable display which is just a millimetre thick and has a 12.5cm screen which can be wrapped around the arm. It expects to start production within two years.

The next age, he predicts, will be that of 'simplicity' in around 2013-2015. 'This is where the IT has actually become mature enough that people will be able to drive it without having to go on a training course.

'Forget this notion that you have to have one single chip in the computer which does everything. Why not just get a stack of little self-organising chips in a box and they'll hook up and do it themselves. It won't be able to get any viruses because most of the operating system will be stored in hardware which the hackers can't write to. If your machine starts going wrong, you just push a button and it's reset to the factory setting.'

Pearson's third age is 'virtual worlds' in around 2020. 'We will spend a lot of time in virtual space, using high quality, 3D, immersive, computer generated environments to socialise and do business in. When technology gives you a life-size 3D image and the links to your nervous system allow you to shake hands, it's like being in the other person's office. It's impossible to believe that won't be the normal way of communicating.

Source: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0%2C6903%2C1489635%2C00.html (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0%2C6903%2C1489635%2C00.html)

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Post by: charaman on June 27, 2005, 02:01:44 AM

i wish.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 27, 2005, 02:40:35 AM

Read Issac Asimov and you'll realize we'd be screwed. Hell, even in Dune there was a machine jihad. And those writers knew what the hell they were talking about.

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Post by: WarxePB on June 27, 2005, 03:17:36 AM

That's... just mind-boggling. I understand it, and that it could very well be possible, but still...

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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on June 27, 2005, 05:24:41 AM

That's just a leetle creepy....

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Post by: Weregnome on June 27, 2005, 06:22:48 AM

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Originally posted by shinotebasiiackh
That's just a leetle creepy....

U want to know what's creepy?

I went to alecture for yr 12 CHemistry and the professor was speaking about Nanotechnology. They believe in 30 years time that they will be able to place little robots in humans taht repair defects, diseases etc. This means that natural death could be entirely wiped out. ALL natural death.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 27, 2005, 07:00:11 AM

Well, all I can say now is, I hope my yogurt follows the 3 rules of robotics. Otherwise... meet Mr. Spaceballs the Flamethrower.

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Post by: White Dwarf on June 27, 2005, 10:02:24 AM

heehe...I robot....lol, i wunder how good will smith is against REAL robots...lol

nah, i read a report on a virtual human on the computer there designing, it could look and act JUST like you, every organ the same, it'll be used as a test dummy for drugs, crash dummies, and the such, but the only organ there not doing, is the brain, for one it might get smart, well, WILL get smart and take over the net, for two, they dont want to going home at night after being drugged up, smashed around, and explaoded, to relise how much of a bad day it had, XD, anyway, yeh, they said they were doing pritty well on it, and one day forum's could be littly online people who looks JUST like you, you wouldent even need to do anything and they would act how you wanted, like a mini big brother, but your watching yourself. now, i say thats cool

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Post by: Petunia on June 27, 2005, 02:59:22 PM

mmm...Imortality...

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Post by: Trevlac on June 27, 2005, 08:52:50 PM

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Originally posted by shinotebasiiackh That's just a leetle creepy....

U want to know what's creepy?

I went to alecture for yr 12 CHemistry and the professor was speaking about Nanotechnology. They believe in 30 years time that they will be able to place little robots in humans taht repair defects, diseases etc. This means that natural death could be entirely wiped out. ALL natural death.

Aren't Nanomachines said to be machines the size of atoms?  And having said this, arn't machines made from atoms?  I have often wondered how they're going to find a unit of matter smaller than atoms that do not create atoms, but rather highly complex machines...

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 27, 2005, 09:43:54 PM

Dun worry, by that time, Earth will cease to exist.

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Post by: Trevlac on June 27, 2005, 09:44:58 PM

Hoo-RAY!

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Post by: Red Giant on June 27, 2005, 10:06:06 PM

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Aren't Nanomachines said to be machines the size of atoms?  And having said this, arn't machines made from atoms?  I have often wondered how they're going to find a unit of matter smaller than atoms that do not create atoms, but rather highly complex machines...

Littler atoms. Du-uh.

It's a topic that's been covered quite a bit in the Sci-Fi culture, and it's a very interesting one. Time to question what it is to be human.

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Post by: Razor on June 27, 2005, 10:07:19 PM

Oh no. We ain't discussing that. That just gets annoying. What we SHOULD discuss, is what it means to be cheese.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on June 28, 2005, 12:14:16 AM

Nanotechnology is the "big thing" in science as of right now. With Nanites, many things previously thought impossible will be happening.

"Hi frank."
"Hi Yougurt."
"How ya doin? You look sad.."
"Well, I'm a little concerned."
"What about?"
"Well, you see.. *inadvertantly takes a bite of yogurt*"
"YAHAAAAAA!!!!"

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 28, 2005, 12:23:11 AM

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Oh no. We ain't discussing that. That just gets annoying. What we SHOULD discuss, is what it means to be cheese.

That is known by The Cheese Freeze Elite *tis member*


Nanotechnology is very interesting; but I dun think it will work to make food talk.. what kind of stupidity is that? Better yet, waht the heck is the point of your food talking?

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Post by: Trevlac on June 28, 2005, 12:35:26 AM

That would be disturbing...like I sitting at a nice steak restaurant and suddenly my meat starts crawling around and going, MOO!

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 28, 2005, 12:42:04 AM

What I'd like to know is how long'd keep talking?

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Post by: Trevlac on June 28, 2005, 12:53:33 AM

It's a machine, machines can loop something until they run out of an energy source... o.O scary...

MOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOO

battery dies...

somehow the battery kicks back on

MOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOO

o.O;

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Post by: charaman on June 28, 2005, 01:52:55 AM

hmm.. interesting.....

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 28, 2005, 03:47:58 AM

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Originally posted by Trevlac
It's a machine, machines can loop something until they run out of an energy source... o.O scary...

MOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOO

battery dies...

somehow the battery kicks back on

MOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOOMOO

o.O;

ROFL XD seems hillarious

but at first it will be scary, then amusing, then ok, then boring, then annoying.. XP

LoL but yes I wouldn't want my meat to do such dumb thing. I expect to est my food not have a chat with it.

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Post by: Razor on June 28, 2005, 09:49:34 PM

if steak could talk, eh? give it a C3P0 voice.

S:Oh hello there, will you be eating me today?
G:No, I'm going to put you in the freezer till friday.
S:Oh, well, that is a very good choice as well!
*from the freezer*
S:*low tempo* ohhh deeaarr, iitttss veerrryyy cooolllddd iiinnnn heeerrreee...
S:Friday: Brr! It was cold in there. How has your week been.
G:Good. I'm having a BBQ today.
S:Oh good! Will I be served?
G:...yes.
*at the BBQ*
S:Oh dear, I'm having second thoughts about this.
G:Too bad.
S:But it may be rather hot!
G:...
*on BBQ*
S:HothotHOT! Oh dear! I fear I'm being grilled.
G:...


What if it talks on the way out? Imagine peoples faces!

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Post by: Trevlac on June 28, 2005, 10:06:59 PM

O.O

O.O

O.O

LOLOLOLOLOL!  Razor, that is hilarious.  C3PO voice...oh my god XD

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Post by: Razor on June 28, 2005, 10:31:58 PM

I strive to be hilarious. It's my one goal. *eats talking sandwich*

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 28, 2005, 11:26:54 PM

You 'killed' it...

Anywaym fas as it looks if this going to be made possible, is a waste of time.

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Post by: MrMister on June 29, 2005, 12:03:07 AM

Obviously they wouldn't be the size of atoms, making them that small would make them useless anyways.  There's six sextillion atoms in a drop of water.  How and why would they build a robot one six sextillionth the size of a drop of water?

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on June 29, 2005, 12:11:33 AM

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Obviously they wouldn't be the size of atoms, making them that small would make them useless anyways.  There's six sextillion atoms in a drop of water.  How and why would they build a robot one six sextillionth the size of a drop of water?

They just put a lot of them together, so not only can the robot have MORE emotions than us foolish humans, but they can handle them better.

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Post by: Grandy on June 29, 2005, 12:12:53 AM

 Download my mind ina machine? Nah, I don't want it, plus, to quote Solid Snake:

 "Memories are fragile things. By the time you put it in your machine, they're no memories anymore"
 And I sign below.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 29, 2005, 01:34:09 AM

lol emotions and robots sounds too stupid.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on June 29, 2005, 02:03:04 AM

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lol emotions and robots sounds too stupid.

Aye, but maybe in 100 years someone will be saying robots without emotions sounds stupid.

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Post by: Grandy on June 29, 2005, 03:50:39 PM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki lol emotions and robots sounds too stupid.

Aye, but maybe in 100 years someone will be saying robots without emotions sounds stupid.

 Or in the future robots will say how those humans were stupid enough to give us emotions to rebel

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 29, 2005, 04:15:54 PM

0_o Wouldn't the yoghurt try to escape?

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Post by: Dragonium on June 29, 2005, 04:19:18 PM

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0_o Wouldn't the yoghurt try to escape?

It does that anyway.