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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 01:35:31 PM

Title: Fan games over original games?
Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 01:35:31 PM
ok, I have a question for everyone. Why do fan games get the most attention? whilt original ones are left untouched?

the way i see it, people who continually make fan games about final fantasy and harvest moon have no real imagination -_-''
I wouldnt mind A tales fan game, because that is rarely done, but the amount of uncreative people sickens me.

Most original games are coming to a halt because all of the attention is going to some stupid fan game. it has come to the point where I can confidently say that one day charas will be overrun with fan games -_- .

Please post your views on this matter.
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Post by: Dragonium on July 09, 2005, 01:38:03 PM
Amen.

This is exactly what I was thinking.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 01:48:16 PM
its something which has been constantly irritating me since I joined charas.

Dragonium, you and I are two of the people who constantly have requests and such ignored because people spend thier time with fan games.
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Post by: Drace on July 09, 2005, 01:54:37 PM
Original games are way better then fan games because they're original, duh!
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 01:56:15 PM
Yes by far, so why do fan games get so much help?
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Post by: Robotam on July 09, 2005, 02:22:09 PM
We had this discussion already, didn't we?
It depends on the game owner's talent not on the if the game is a fan game or not.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 02:34:37 PM
well, many fan games are doen by people that are new with rpgmaker.
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Post by: GhostClown on July 09, 2005, 02:39:26 PM
 
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its something which has been constantly irritating me since I joined charas.


Leave?

And of course, custom games take more work. But I've seen fan games that look way batter than some original games. All I can say to that is: I'm sorry they wasted time on someone else's storyline, characters, and basic plot.
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on July 09, 2005, 02:40:44 PM
I hate fan games. If they get the most help it's because the ressources for them are all over the net.

All fan games should be trashed in dumps....but people make what they want...even if it's not original at all...
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Post by: drenrin2120 on July 09, 2005, 04:12:06 PM
Its' public opinion
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 09, 2005, 04:15:43 PM
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Originally posted by Robotam
We had this discussion already, didn't we?
It depends on the game owner's talent not on the if the game is a fan game or not.


Amen.

The only difference from a fan game and an original, is that the storyline is set, and that'd only if you plan to follow the storyline. That's a true fan game; one that follows the story of another story. There's a word thought I can't remember what it was for the other type of fan games..

 
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    I hate fan games. If they get the most help it's because the ressources for them are all over the net.


You are not thinking big; because, that,s one big lie. Maybe for final fantasy games, which are prolly the most overated, but I have yet to see a hell of other resources for a lot of things.

And people are fan of gaming, fan of their favorite stories, fan of their favorite things; it's fluently normal to want to do it your way.

Yes, original games should get a bit more respect, but by the fact of a game being a fan game it does not mean it can/needs to be trashed, because you don't know how it will turn out.

If you can play it, and really believe it wasted it's time, then you can prove it to yourself, then you can go buggin' with your words.

Now if you simply dislike fan games and won't give them chance shut it, cuz that's a static opinion and it won't change

Some whining is unreasonable at times.
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on July 09, 2005, 04:42:24 PM
 
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Now if you simply dislike fan games and won't give them chance shut it, cuz that's a static opinion and it won't change


I never said I wasn't giving them a chance. Some people don't, but I always check how it turns out.

As far as resources are concerned, Final Fantasy must be one of the serie that gets the most fan games and ressources are everywhere. Other games that get fan games don't have many ressources because they probably aren't as popular as Final Fantasy.
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Post by: Drace on July 09, 2005, 04:44:14 PM
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Now if you simply dislike fan games and won't give them chance shut it, cuz that's a static opinion and it won't change


I never said I wasn't giving them a chance. Some people don't, but I always check how it turns out.

As far as resources are concerned, Final Fantasy must be one of the serie that gets the most fan games and ressources are everywhere. Other games that get fan games don't have many ressources because they probably aren't as popular as Final Fantasy.

*cough*ff7*cough*
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on July 09, 2005, 04:48:17 PM
I like the concwpt of an original game more than a fan game, but when it comes down to it, I'll judge by how good a fan game is. Most fan games do in fact suck because they are done by 12 years olds wanting to make DBZ or FF.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on July 09, 2005, 04:52:15 PM
I still don't get why people need others to pay attention to their games. Does it actually affect your game making ability in the slightest?

You'll get your praise when the game is done.

As for fan games, why on Earth are you complaining? Isn't rpgmaker about having fun? If people have more fun making fangames, then so be it.
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Post by: Osmose on July 09, 2005, 04:54:52 PM
If you're the kind of tightass who will not play what could be a perfectly good game because it has characters from a series already in it, then kudos to you. I'll be here playing a fun game while you stand on your soapbox preaching about how, because someone took the time to make up some stuff, that his game's fun factor will increase exponentially.

Really, just don't play the game and stop bitching.
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Post by: Lighting Half Dozen on July 09, 2005, 05:17:09 PM
Somone should make a new board for Fangames, that way people can go there to basicly talk to themsleves, serius game supporters will leave it alone, and a bunch of n00bs can talk about why mega man should stay blue or why flying a blimp don't belong in harvest moon.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 05:21:39 PM
L6, best suggestion award goes to you
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Post by: Lighting Half Dozen on July 09, 2005, 05:24:07 PM
Awe. I wanna thank leon and the...Project for the nomination, the people of charas for voteing for me. And especialy the stupid n00bs, for makign this possible...
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Post by: RPG LORD on July 09, 2005, 05:25:29 PM
By the time I see a decent FF fangame I made that on my own.
Maybe the ones who make fangames actually try to make it something good, but aren't able to bring it to word and mess up.
I don't know if this could be, but I think it's a possibility.
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Post by: Linkforce on July 09, 2005, 06:15:31 PM
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I still don't get why people need others to pay attention to their games. Does it actually affect your game making ability in the slightest?


Yes, it does affect our game making ability, because alot of people who continue to make games are supported by fans.   It's the same as real companies.  If nobody liked or supported FF1, there would be no more FF's today.  If I didn't have support on my game, I would have stopped a long time ago.  People need praise for there work, updates and such need to be recognized so that people can continue on.  I honestly don't mind fan games, but recently they have been given way more attention than original games.  Someone who takes the time to write out a whole story, plot, characters, and twists from scratch should be noticed more than someone who just takes characters and ideas from something that has already been made.
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Post by: Dragonium on July 09, 2005, 06:20:56 PM
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If I didn't have support on my game, I would have stopped a long time ago.


I know the feeling... _sweat_

Amen.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 06:54:38 PM
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Originally posted by Linkforce
If I didn't have support on my game, I would have stopped a long time ago.


I know the feeling... _sweat_

Amen.


Thrice I know the feeling.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 09, 2005, 06:56:07 PM
real companies do not go 'lets give this idea and let's see if we get praised for it' No.. they have an idea decided to themselves if it might be good or not, then they get everything when is done.

So no; IT SHOULDN"T effect you wether you game get's support or not.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 07:07:18 PM
ok Kijuki, from now on, ur game sucks...
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 09, 2005, 07:09:33 PM
First one to say that; thx ;)

And though I know your saying that out of recintment, it will help me to finish the game; criticism is needed in life. Many people try not to get it, and when they do they end up being on a critical stage.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 07:13:36 PM
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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
First one to say that; thx ;)

And though I know your saying that out of recintment, it will help me to finish the game; criticism is needed in life. Many people try not to get it, and when they do they end up being on a critical stage.


recnetiment 0_o, umm kijuki, u got me wrong there buddy o_0
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Post by: cloud9909 on July 09, 2005, 07:15:07 PM
hey Kijuki_Magazaki how did you make the characters in you game do that type of talkin ike show thier pic..insted of just a face...
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on July 09, 2005, 07:15:57 PM
I don't really care if others like my game. Only a few people have shown unterest in my game, and I'm still making it. There have been games that people anticipated for a long time and it comes out and they like it, and then there are other games no one hears about and when its released it beats the highly anticipated games. If you stop making something because someone doesn't like it, you have some self-esteem issues you need to deal with.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 07:16:52 PM
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hey Kijuki_Magazaki how did you make the characters in you game do that type of talkin ike show thier pic..insted of just a face...


he uses pictures
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Post by: VahnGrave on July 09, 2005, 07:48:21 PM
Hey, thats kind of dumb that you would HATE >:  >:  fan games... I mean, look at Chaotic_Deaths game, the Zelda one. I played the engine demo he had, and it was freakin fun, it was only one screen, and I was having a blast.

So play before you judge.

Just my opinion.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on July 09, 2005, 08:09:45 PM
oh....Chaotic_death's game is an exception lol
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on July 09, 2005, 08:10:56 PM
Fangame or not, as long as a game is fun, I'll play it.
The only thing that I don't like about fangames is when someone names their game "Final Fantasy" even though it has nothing to do with Final Fantasy, other than a few moogles or chocobos thrown in.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on July 09, 2005, 08:11:23 PM
As long as the game is good and fun, I don't really have a problem. And about the "needed praise thing". I don't need that. I started making my game because I wanted to put an idea of mine into something. Originally it was going to be a book, but it got too boring. So I decided to turn it into a game. Then I found charas, posted my game, and now I have people who want to play it. I don't see why if people don't post in your game thread you should stop making your game.
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Post by: Drace on July 09, 2005, 08:23:48 PM
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Fangame or not, as long as a game is fun, I'll play it.
The only thing that I don't like about fangames is when someone names their game "Final Fantasy" even though it has nothing to do with Final Fantasy, other than a few moogles or chocobos thrown in.

Yay! Chocobo's rule!
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Post by: Ace of Spades on July 09, 2005, 08:25:07 PM
I know an FF idea that hasn't been turned into a fan game yet.
Chocobo Hunter!
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Post by: VahnGrave on July 09, 2005, 08:25:59 PM
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I know an FF idea that hasn't been turned into a fan game yet.
Chocobo Hunter!


I love me some barbecued chocobo legs!
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Post by: Drace on July 09, 2005, 08:59:10 PM
Chocobo egg omelet..... yum yum
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Post by: charaman on July 09, 2005, 09:28:24 PM
the problem with original games today is that most ideas suck and/or are executed poorly.
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Post by: Lighting Half Dozen on July 09, 2005, 10:23:30 PM
you know kijuki, your game doe suck...so do all of ours. we are making them with illegal translations of japanese products...its so fun.
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Post by: Darkfox on July 09, 2005, 10:47:34 PM
That made little sense.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 09, 2005, 10:48:37 PM
If any.
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Post by: charaman on July 10, 2005, 02:01:30 AM
I mean, I cant even find to what kairou was referring to there. oh well. its not like it matters anyway.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on July 10, 2005, 02:11:26 AM
I try to look at as many games that I can. There's so many projects posted, it's just too hard to look at all of them. I don't mind fangames like a lot of people. I agree with FFL2and3rocks that as long as it's fun, I'll play it.
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Post by: Prpl_Mage on July 10, 2005, 09:10:40 AM
Itīs sad when the new noobs come here and do a fan game...
When i started i didnīt knew that you could make your own charsets/b-char/monsters ect so i had 2 games made with RTP only...But they had an original story and nothing taken from other games.
Then i realized that i could edit things in the RTP map, and the i realized that i could save stuff in the RTP folder.
And before i knew it i had an even better game!
*But then computer crash down...*
And when searching for pictures for one of my favorite games: Kingdom Hearts i ended up at sprites.fireballxl and i realized that there were things that i could use there.
And while searching on google after "sprites" and "charsets" i ended up on this site, but then all i did was to download from the "complete recources"
*Computer gets a strange virus that prevents me from entering the internet need to rebot it.My backup cd got fucked up and my 5 hour game disapear...*
When getting the rpg maker from my cousin once again i searched on google asfter some stuff and came to this site again..
And then i decided to become a member.

Ok...This became of topic......The point im trying to get to is that itīs better to use RTP and do original, then chipsets/charsets and b-chars from a game that everybody already have done a fan game on.
And most fan games ends up in failure or that the creator just stop doing it.But if one finish it it usely sucks!
So with your first/second game PLZ donīt post it here because they suck, once again to get to a póint...

Do a game, show it to your friends, inprove by learning, check the games that people like Leon, Aceīor Insane have done and play ther demo when it comes out! This will learn you how to do great games!!!

Crap....Of topic again....
Ok here comes my last point!
Fan games uselly suck in case they are not made by an expert who knows everything that can be done with the rpgmaker.
But that game can still be bad...
Chaotic_Deaths game is really good becouse of the motor and everything.
If someone did a Kingdom Heart like game that is like the game is in battle then i would really respect the guy.
If someone did a Star Ocean 3 battle systen it would be the same.
But when someone does a game that is just a game with places,chars or anything from one of those games like FF,HM,MG or DBZ and call it "Final Fantasy 7 Sephiroths awakening" Or "Metal Gear Solid Operation Zero" they dont deserve any respect at al.
Il hope everybody understand what im trying to point out...
DON`T MAKE FAN GAMES THAT SUCKS AND DON`T POST YOUR FIRST GAME HERE ON CHARAS!!!

Ok this is my longest post...
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Post by: Trevlac on July 10, 2005, 09:19:45 AM
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That made little sense.


Agreed.
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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on July 10, 2005, 12:04:33 PM
I liked the suggestion of a seperate fan game forum.But  fan games aren't always poor they're just another type of games, but the problem is that they're ussually made by newbs and therefore are poorly made.
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Post by: BlackIceAdept on July 10, 2005, 03:16:05 PM
Have the common people fallen so far from grace that they refuse to use thier gifts and instead throw them away as if they where...

No I'll get flamed if I continue instead I'll just say this, maybe more creativity would be granted if people worked on oringal games like you guys said in the begining, but still thats just a wish it has little chances of succeding becuase the common people are easily swayed by simple "eye-candy" with a rip off storyline tacked on as a last resort to make it into a rpg. But should we help them, that is the makers of these flase rpgs? No, I think not but thats for you to decide not me...
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Post by: Drace on July 10, 2005, 03:24:51 PM
I agree with you. It's much easier to be a familiar story cause you know how it goes.
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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on July 10, 2005, 07:08:55 PM
Yeah but most of fangame makers are 10 y/o newbs so even if they tried to make an original game instead it'd probably still turn into crap anyway. But a fangame based on a non-FF game where the authur have worked hard and made a story that doesn't relate too much to the original and added some of his own work too could be as good as an original game. But it's rarely you see that kinda fangames. I guess it's best for the newbs just not to post their first game as it's 90% likely to turn into crap.
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Post by: Drace on July 10, 2005, 07:47:48 PM
If a newb would post a fangame that actually is finished I would play it. But most doesn't get finished so it's sad.
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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on July 10, 2005, 07:52:27 PM
The saddest is that, that applies to most games :(
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Post by: BlackIceAdept on July 11, 2005, 04:12:33 PM
well I'm still working on forces...

besides we need to start finsih games... and for those of us that do own RM2k/3 we should show the bigger guys (Game Compinies) our games who knows we might infact start a revolation of games!