Post by: Trevlac on July 19, 2005, 06:49:07 AM
We all need love. It is the quintessence of life, a paradox that stifles our thinking to its core. A bubbling and fluttering feeling of absolute bliss and compassion for other people. Maybe we, as charas members, could practice compassion on each other a little bit more. Don't wait for someone else to be nice to you before you are nice to them. And if someone chooses to be dirty, rotten, nasty, mean, and wicked, choose to love them.
Hey, all I am saying is that maybe Jesus knew what he was talking about. Like Buddah or Muhammad.
Conquer yourself, do not conquer others. Conquer your anger, frustration, rage, impatience, and choler, because it will only destroy you. You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
Do not war with others to make oneself a great warrior, for wars do not make one great.
If you realized just how powerful your thoughts really are, you would never think a negative thought. Your thoughts will become your words which will, in turn, become your actions, your actions become habits, and habits form your character. Your character shapes your destiny. The mind is everything, what you think is what you become.
In short, I would like to reiterate; we need to love each other. No more conflict, no more agression, no more fear, no more hatred. Love.
I've just stolen quotes from around 10 people. They're not important, the message is important. Love.
Post by: maxine on July 19, 2005, 06:58:29 AM
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on July 19, 2005, 07:11:32 AM
Post by: maxine on July 19, 2005, 07:16:20 AM
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Originally posted by smokey_locs2002
Man these lil fights ain't nothing compared to the Great War of RRWP and Smokey Locs (ah the good ol'days)
And i wasent here then? :'( dude what a shame
Post by: Weregnome on July 19, 2005, 07:50:36 AM
Post by: maxine on July 19, 2005, 07:57:03 AM
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Originally posted by Weregnome
As much as what Trevlac is sayinmg is good, there can never be total non-conflict. Mankind still invokes its primitive attitudes so he/she would still have some anger. Yes cjust conquer it people will say. The truth is not all people are strong enough to gather, reflect and destroy there anger, greif etc. It will eventually be spat back and someone or something. That is just the way it is. I'm not saying scrapping Trev's idea, I think its rather a nice idea to be compassionate then abusive. I just feel that there is this problem.
Actually. Yes there can never be peace of the world or country or whatever. BUT everyone can be nice at this forum with a little spirit in them selves. This forum aint the world so i can see a solution on making this forum nicely. But i see your point Weregnome :smurf:
EDIT: BTW Trevlac. Could i have an answer of the PM i sended too ya about the name in my game?. Im kinda in a hurry for name. Just answer if you let me use it or not
Post by: Trevlac on July 19, 2005, 08:21:29 AM
Back on topic, yes I say that there can never be 100% love and peace just because of humans possessing free will. Free will has always been the underlying problem to every human conflict. Solution: Eliminate free will? No. If you do that, you eleminate evil. Without evil, good can not exist. Because innocence is not goodness, good must strive to fight evil to be truely good. What we have here is a very blatant parallel to mathematics
Good is all positive integers
Innocence is zero
Evil is all negative integers
Post by: shinotebasiiackh on July 19, 2005, 10:02:44 AM
I think hookers'll do the trick.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on July 19, 2005, 05:07:48 PM
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Originally posted by maxine
quote: Originally posted by smokey_locs2002
Man these lil fights ain't nothing compared to the Great War of RRWP and Smokey Locs (ah the good ol'days)
And i wasent here then? :'( dude what a shame
Eh yeah it was pretty insane the main fighters of this war was me and RRWP and we fought over game related stuff like he would say Character Depth is more important, I would say yes to a certain degree but no one want to play half a game based on character depth and I would say game events are the key. The war went on and on me and him flamed each other. People took side (more on my side..no joke) He said I was racist because I said he was a nosey white person and he read some of my PM's to Wood, My cousin and yeah. lol I made a team me and midnight ran it. I had a stupid idea that if you're the leader of them team you should be the Mod (suddenly everyone wanted a team) RRWP got pissed, made 3 topics on why I cant be Mod and he left. A lot of other people were pissed to but most of them were just pissed because they didn't get to mod and then I got out of the mod job and told everyone why I got out, made a topic about it that said "The reason I'm not a mod" and it read "Non of your Biznazz" RRWP was under a different name pretending to be someone that couldn't speak english well but knew a lot of key words in our English language. I found out, Told Midnight, Alex found out that this new person had the same IP address. S00000. Alex and RRWP fought, RR insulted him, kept calling him robot. He left, Charas settled down, then everyone started missing the fighting, one fellow member made a forum game about throwing food, we all had fun....and that was the great war....with hella details missing.
Post by: Darkfox on July 19, 2005, 05:39:01 PM
Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on July 19, 2005, 05:48:04 PM
Of course, I have to agree. There will always be people who prevent this foolish zionist's utopian dream. You cant please everyone, you cant get everyone to like everyone, and you cant get everyone to agree on the same subject. This may be good for a debate here and there (good for any healthy forum) but more times then not causes conflict rather than discussion. All we can do as members is to try to stay cool in situations and let whatever may pass pass on its own course.
And please dont try to explain things using math. That scares and confuses me.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 19, 2005, 05:49:55 PM
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 19, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
*wonders what bug has bitten trevlac and recently asa.*
It is apparent to me :p, that this bug is called a ''Love'' bug ;)
Post by: White Dwarf on July 19, 2005, 06:13:33 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
*wonders what bug has bitten trevlac and recently asa.*
It is apparent to me :p, that this bug is called a ''Love'' bug ;)
XD ncie one
Yeh, i think this is a great concept to work towards...but i dout it'll happen
Post by: Moosetroop11 on July 19, 2005, 06:28:22 PM
There's an important phrase I like:
Live and let live.
Much of the flaming is because someone refuses to accept someone else's views, or habits. For instance, most of us like the forum the way it is, but some people feel they must spoil the forum for all of us just because they don't like a certain thing.
Live and let live, people.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 19, 2005, 07:01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
*wonders what bug has bitten trevlac and recently asa.*
It is apparent to me :p, that this bug is called a ''Love'' bug ;)
Heey, i know about that bug! XP
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 19, 2005, 07:26:35 PM
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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
quote: Originally posted by Midnight9795
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
*wonders what bug has bitten trevlac and recently asa.*
It is apparent to me :p, that this bug is called a ''Love'' bug ;)
Heey, i know about that bug! XP
*laughs* yea, I bet you do know about it :p
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 19, 2005, 07:41:18 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
quote: Originally posted by Midnight9795
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
*wonders what bug has bitten trevlac and recently asa.*
It is apparent to me :p, that this bug is called a ''Love'' bug ;)
Heey, i know about that bug! XP
*laughs* yea, I bet you do know about it :p
:D:p
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XD Trev, you are one random dude XP
Post by: Darkfox on July 19, 2005, 07:49:57 PM
Post by: Osmose on July 19, 2005, 07:52:08 PM
The average forum consists of a bunch of normal members, a group of members who are popular and everyone knows(a small group), some moderators and global mods, and a few admins.
Traditionally, the head admin gathers a few close friends and makes them admins because he trusts what they do. Global mods and mods are picked from good, active members. The admin tells the mods exactly how the rules are to be enforced, and what should and shouldn't be locked. There's really a minimal space for interpretation, as the admin is head and he decides what goes on his forum.
The upper crust members are members who post often and have an opinion that most people agree on or can at least understand their point of view. The lower crust consists of members who don't post that often or have only been to the site for a little while. There's a clear seperation of who is who.
The mods enforce the rules. Period. Becuase they have been told by the admin what is what, they know when the rules are being broken, and members don't feel that the mod is doing wrong because the rules are clear.
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Charas. Charas is a different place. The one wildcard here is that we have a lot of members, which one would suspect would lead to the model above.
Some say that Charas is different and that makes it good. But try to look at it in this light:
The upper crust here is the majority of members. It's not that hard to get noticed if you do the right things. It's way easier to become an individual here instead of one of the faceless masses. You feel valued, like your opinion counts.
The mods are much more personal and try to explain their actions to those who question them. The reason people even question their actions at all is because the mods are not instructed here. Alex appoints a mod, maybe puts them through a test, and lets them go as they will. Moderators at Charas are picked for their judgement. Alex sets the rules but doesn't clarify the interpretation of them. Thusly, one mod may disagree with another, embellished by their "individuality" gained from becoming one of the upper crust members.
Hell, even the active admin can't do anything without a vote. The mods have the power to overthrow the admin if they band together. People value their opinions far too much, and a clash of these opinions results in disaster. Truth be told, most of Charas is stupid. I don't claim to have acted smart myself, nor do I claim to be totally 100% correct - I'm contradicting myself by posting my opinion after saying that no one should value your opinion.
The fact is, moderators should not be freelancers hired to do their job, they should be agents recruited to enact the will of the admin while he works on more important things. Forums were not designed to be democratic. The creator has free reign, and if you don't respect it, he has the power to either make you respect it or to kick you out of his domain.
And the dissuasion among the mods promotes the questioning of their quality. Becuase the mods aren't in agreement, there are bound to be people disagreeing with your actions. And because of their hightened sense of individuality and their assumption that their opinion really holds any value, they impose their perogative to question these mods.
They also let their compassion get the best of them. Many members try to think that they're intelligent when they haven't even come of age.(Myself not excluded, but don't let that stop you from continuing. :P) They view the world in a skewed manner, where a criminal who commits a crime after someone commits a minor crime against them should be forgiven and the minor criminal should be the one ashamed of their actions. Not only does this make no sense, it only promotes the other to do even more, as he has been handed exactly what he wanted: An excuse to commit more crimes. I am alluding to, of course, Raffles, but in an effort to ignore him, this paragraph will be the only mention of him.
So what does Charas need? It needs a slap in the face. Members need to realize that their opinion doesn't matter, and the mods need to realize that, as a team, they've got to look to their higher ups for guidance so they can coordinate. They need to realize that someone with more power them is someone that they answer to. They say Charas is not a democracy, but if so, why do the mods vote on who to ban?
And that is all I have to say about that.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on July 19, 2005, 08:23:56 PM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
Love Bug >
O_O I dont want love then.
Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on July 19, 2005, 08:36:44 PM
If anything, this forum's too social for what it's been made for.
Post by: Weregnome on July 20, 2005, 12:25:57 AM
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on July 20, 2005, 03:04:45 AM
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Originally posted by AsakuraHao2004
Charas mod staff is too weak. Most other forums have a "locked, banned, stfu, my descision" policy.
If anything, this forum's too social for what it's been made for.
eh, guess you missed that war too. *ahem* eh..I'll just sum it up. MODs said "game related topics only people said "no" and a agreement was worked out.
Post by: Trevlac on July 20, 2005, 06:11:56 AM
Darkfox: "LOL" just, "LOL", NO, just "LOL" freaking seriously. LOL
Kijuki: I was born random. My tag is Dice after all.
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Osmose:
Alex appoints a mod, maybe puts them through a test, and lets them go as they will.
MAYBE? Moose, I should stab you for using extreme understatement.
Post by: Weregnome on July 20, 2005, 10:17:39 AM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
MAYBE? Moose, I should stab you for using extreme understatement.
Here Trev u can borrow my knife
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 12:23:32 PM
could you tell us something that isn't obvious?
all I've ever heard this latest week is "love here, love there" dontcha think that we've already heard that before? I'm sorry for that "outbreak"... *leaves the room*
Post by: Tomi on July 20, 2005, 12:36:27 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
MAYBE? Moose, I should stab you for using extreme understatement.
Or would you rather use a shotgun? Yeah, Trev was put though a big test to become All of all mod a while ago. I cant believe I actually remember though...
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 20, 2005, 03:01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
Love Bug >
*eats love bug* Yumz...I've eaten so many of them as of late, they just get better and better....Apparently, fear is not a factor for me.. Mwahahaha.a...anyways, um...*pulls out a mallet* any harm comes to Moose, and I'll beat ya'll all senseless :p
Post by: Moosetroop11 on July 20, 2005, 04:04:40 PM
Are you saying if I became a mod I should be able to ban you and no-one should be able to stop me? :eyes:
Post by: SnakeIzeGambit on July 20, 2005, 04:54:12 PM
Post by: Osmose on July 20, 2005, 06:19:21 PM
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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Osmose, who are you to question this forum anyway? Forums are supposed to be fun, leasurely places to enjoy yourself, and Charas is brilliant in that aspect. If it got stricter, it would be worse. Much worse.
Are you saying if I became a mod I should be able to ban you and no-one should be able to stop me? :eyes:
Replace that with admin, and then yes, because at that point you'd only ban someone if they deserve it.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 20, 2005, 07:59:05 PM
Post by: Trevlac on July 20, 2005, 10:39:41 PM
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 10:45:35 PM
Mods can't ban? so I don't have to respect Ghost clown? alright! (But I will anyways, he is a respectable mod)
Post by: Sephiroth rocks on July 20, 2005, 10:45:44 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
quote: Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Osmose, who are you to question this forum anyway? Forums are supposed to be fun, leasurely places to enjoy yourself, and Charas is brilliant in that aspect. If it got stricter, it would be worse. Much worse.
Are you saying if I became a mod I should be able to ban you and no-one should be able to stop me? :eyes:
Replace that with admin, and then yes, because at that point you'd only ban someone if they deserve it.
Problem is that an admin alone then has the power to destroy charas in a matter of minutes. Of course I trust the admins 100% but even admins/mods can become seriously mad at Charas *cough*Kairou*cough*
Post by: Darkfox on July 20, 2005, 10:46:03 PM
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 10:48:48 PM
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No? Not funny? Not even a giggle?
Damn, difficult crowd.
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 20, 2005, 10:50:49 PM
Post by: Trevlac on July 20, 2005, 11:03:07 PM
I think I've aldready had one of these today....
*cry*
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:04:25 PM
Oh yeah, two hints.
Watch out for hippies and old guys who aren't family or friends of family.
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:05:05 PM
Post by: Trevlac on July 20, 2005, 11:08:45 PM
^
There's Charas' problem. Everyone wants to love but on their own terms.
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:14:05 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I'm not talking about infatuation love you asshats.
Hehehee! Love is always love, it just comes in different forms XD
Prove me wrong and you'll get a cookie
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:16:25 PM
Or that guy, Tim. 22 year old german who wanted to cyber with me, White and a 14/15 year old girl. Now that's bad love.
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:18:12 PM
Post by: Trevlac on July 20, 2005, 11:19:44 PM
Or the sweaty date-rape guy in the corner...
Or the creepy 30 year old man who hangs out at the jungle gym at public parks a quarter-mile from my house...
yeah...
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:23:49 PM
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 20, 2005, 11:26:10 PM
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:26:34 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
Yeah...I'm going to agree with you there Drace...
Or the sweaty date-rape guy in the corner...
Or the creepy 30 year old man who hangs out at the jungle gym at public parks a quarter-mile from my house...
yeah...
Or that guy who comes by your house when your parents aren't there and claims to be you're lost uncle John who wants to come in everytime with his lil pink shirt with chesthair sticking out on top and pubic hair to above his belly button.
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:27:46 PM
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 20, 2005, 11:32:36 PM
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Originally posted by Drace
There's also bad love. Like I said, old guys who aren't family or close friends of family.
Or that guy, Tim. 22 year old german who wanted to cyber with me, White and a 14/15 year old girl. Now that's bad love.
Dude, that's not love at all...o.o;; that's just a sick person who needs help in controlling his sexual cravings...Love and sexual cravings are two different things...cyber or not...
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:35:03 PM
But I see sexuel stuff as a result of love. I wouldn't sleep with someone if I didn't love her.
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:38:16 PM
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Originally posted by Drace
Yeah, maybe you're right. But still. He was pretty creepy.
But I see sexuel stuff as a result of love. I wouldn't sleep with someone if I didn't love her.
Really? never heard my friends saying that... they suffer from a high testosterone(sp?) though...
Post by: Midnight9795 on July 20, 2005, 11:39:26 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 20, 2005, 11:40:53 PM
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:42:53 PM
Post by: dragoninja on July 20, 2005, 11:49:43 PM
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Originally posted by Drace
I see it that if you shag with everyone you're attracted to, you're just a free *****.
Indeed.. why is the Sex discussion so popular atm?? I've never had sex but...
If having sex is a result of love... then there is another question comming: rape... that is not and will never be a result of love, but still it's (usually) sex it's about...
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:53:11 PM
Post by: Darkfox on July 20, 2005, 11:54:13 PM
Post by: Drace on July 20, 2005, 11:57:57 PM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
In that case it is lust. Not love.
Hmmmm..... you got a point there.
Post by: dragoninja on July 21, 2005, 12:01:29 AM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 21, 2005, 03:37:26 PM
Post by: Tomi on July 21, 2005, 03:46:08 PM
Post by: Trevlac on July 21, 2005, 06:18:21 PM
And how did a love topic turn to:
Love > Hate > Sex > Lust > Rape?
Someone get back on topic.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 21, 2005, 06:21:38 PM
But yes people get back on topic.
Post by: Drace on July 21, 2005, 06:25:32 PM
Post by: Razor on July 21, 2005, 10:00:24 PM
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Originally posted by smokey_locs2002
Eh yeah it was pretty insane the main fighters of this war was me and RRWP and we fought over game related stuff like he would say Character Depth is more important, I would say yes to a certain degree but no one want to play half a game based on character depth and I would say game events are the key. The war went on and on me and him flamed each other. People took side (more on my side..no joke) He said I was racist because I said he was a nosey white person and he read some of my PM's to Wood, My cousin and yeah. lol I made a team me and midnight ran it. I had a stupid idea that if you're the leader of them team you should be the Mod (suddenly everyone wanted a team) RRWP got pissed, made 3 topics on why I cant be Mod and he left. A lot of other people were pissed to but most of them were just pissed because they didn't get to mod and then I got out of the mod job and told everyone why I got out, made a topic about it that said "The reason I'm not a mod" and it read "Non of your Biznazz" RRWP was under a different name pretending to be someone that couldn't speak english well but knew a lot of key words in our English language. I found out, Told Midnight, Alex found out that this new person had the same IP address. S00000. Alex and RRWP fought, RR insulted him, kept calling him robot. He left, Charas settled down, then everyone started missing the fighting, one fellow member made a forum game about throwing food, we all had fun....and that was the great war....with hella details missing.
You're missing something there. Y'see, when I first joined Charas, it was in the middle of the RRWP thing but at that time it was between Gary and RRWP. I don't know of any of the behind the scenes stuff.