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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 07:29:09 PM

Title: Just wonderin...~
Post by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 07:29:09 PM

Well I started thinking about something I read in the paper a few days ago. A mother is suing the creators (I think) of 'Grand Theft Auto' (the new one that's out I believe) because she bought it for her 14 or 13 year old son, and later found out there was 'porn' on it. I know, crappie description but I don't have the paper, so deal :p Now, I honestly think it was a stupid reason to sue but that's not really the point of the topic XD 'Society' has stated that 'video games, movies, and music' are possible reasons as to why people 'kill, steal, rape, assult..ect..' Honestly, I think that's a load of bull. I believe 'Hillary Clinton' is also taking a stand against 'Grand Theft Auto,' and there is another game that the Mayor (Mayor in New York, lmao who would've known?) has put a stop to. Forgot the title (If anyone knows what it's called, do tell), but I do know that in this game you can be a 'cop' or a 'thug' as in the 'good' or the 'bad' the whole point tp this game is to destroy the opposing forces. Now, the reason it was banned is because they figured the game would encourage people to attack and disrespect cops, and they also considered it a way for people to get interested in selling drugs. I think it's a load of crap, but hey maybe someone else doesn't. Personally, I don't think games or music or movies have anything to do with what a person chooses to do with his/her life. I mean, back in the 1700's there was only books, BOOKS! And yet, people were still killing, robbing, raping, ect.. So, how can they explain that? I'm really curious to know if there is a person here who disagrees XD. Opinions please! Donations accepted at the door! :p

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 07:33:41 PM

I DISAGREE!!!  VIDEO GAMES ARE WARPING THE CHILDREN..*cough*..THEY ARE TEACHING THE CHILDREN TO DO VERY BAD THINGS!! VERY BAD!!  THEY.hahahahaha..Oh, I can never do that without laughing...

All this banning video games because it's warping kids is crap.  It's the parents fault, because they LET their kids play it.  The game is intended for what 18+ or something.  Yeah, those kids have 4-5 years left to be able to play it.  "Video games are warping our children"  What a load of crap.

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Post by: BlackIceAdept on August 03, 2005, 07:36:56 PM

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I DISAGREE!!!  VIDEO GAMES ARE WARPING THE CHILDREN..*cough*..THEY ARE TEACHING THE CHILDREN TO DO VERY BAD THINGS!! VERY BAD!!  THEY.hahahahaha..Oh, I can never do that without laughing...

All this banning video games because it's warping kids is crap.  It's the parents fault, because they LET their kids play it.  The game is intended for what 18+ or something.  Yeah, those kids have 4-5 years left to be able to play it.  "Video games are warping our children"  What a load of crap.

100% true its not the games it the parents

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Post by: Drace on August 03, 2005, 07:38:27 PM

I totally agree with you. And about that mother, she's dumb. It says on the box that there's swear words, violence, drugs and sexual content in the game.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on August 03, 2005, 07:42:30 PM

Depression = suicide
Depression = drugs
Depression = murder
Depression = fighting

School, Family, Bullies = Depression

Do the math.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 07:43:57 PM

lmao!! *wonders how much money she's trying to get* Yes, quite dumb..and if those ppl are smart, they can just say 'It's rated M for mature' or something like that...< <;; > >;;

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 07:45:13 PM

If anything, video games are helping because now if kids do have some rage, would you rather have em take it out on real-life people?  Or a bunch of 0's and 1's?  And has previously stated, all this "Very bad stuff" has been going on before video games.  Society is just looking for a fresh new thing to blame all this crap on.

V!d30 G@3m$ Ar3 N0t \/\/@rPiNg tH3 Ch!ldr3n.

I'll translate for those non-1337 speakers

Video games are not warping the children.

And even if video games are warping your children, that is if you truly believe that (which they aren't by the way), then don't buy your non-18 year old kids mature and 18+ games!!!

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on August 03, 2005, 07:47:08 PM

I think, we have to teach kids about the real world at an early age.

However, it entirely IS the parents fault, teh game is destinctly rated M, and the parent knows that, otherwise the kid probably would have bought it himself.

And I thought the porn was just a PC version mod.

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 07:53:26 PM

Well, it probably isn't too spekal.  I haven't seen it, only heard of it.  But, If these kids are anything like me 1-2 years ago, they probably already know the details about all the woo-hoo and stuff down there, so I just don't see why it's such a big deal.  Parent's are probably just looking for a reason to complain, get on tv, get some money.  Probably don't even care.

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Post by: PyroAlchemist on August 03, 2005, 07:56:58 PM

I think they're going to re release it under A. Not to sure though.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 03, 2005, 07:58:40 PM

games/movies/whatever only influence according to the person personality, but  doesn't turn turn ppl into killing machines

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 08:01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
games/movies/whatever only influence according to the person personality, but  doesn't turn turn ppl into killing machines

So true

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Originally posted by PyroAlchemist
I think they're going to re release it under A. Not to sure though.

Yeah, thats what I heard.  3 months from now or something.  Yeah, it takes 3 months to put an AO (Adult Only) stick over the MA one.



(*hopes oooog doesn't cause the quote bug*)

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Post by: WarxePB on August 03, 2005, 08:04:15 PM

It's not entirely the parent's fault. What about Rockstar? Why are they producing such violent games when they know something like this could happen?

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Post by: Trevlac on August 03, 2005, 08:06:08 PM

Same deal with the Catholic chuch back then too.  They banned certain books because they didn't agree with the opinions of the author.  Did you know that in the game Clue (Cluedo to Europeans) Mr. Green is actually Reverend Green?  Why, because B.S. Americans will not buy it if it conflicts with their religion.  God how upfckingtight can you get?

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 08:09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
It's not entirely the parent's fault. What about Rockstar? Why are they producing such violent games when they know something like this could happen?

Well, this is just what I'm guessing.  The majority of the gaming community want this type of game, so in order to compete with other companies, Rockstar had to continue making these games.  So, yeah, I suppose it's also the buyers fault.  But that brings back to being the parent's fault, because in order for kids to get this game, they need someone 18+ to buy it for them, unless they have an older sibling who buys it and lets their younger siblings get their hands on it.  So, I suppose it's a 3-way blame.

Gaming Comapanies/Parents/Gamers.



By the way, great signature.

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 03, 2005, 08:13:26 PM

I hate Games like GTA.
They've brainwashed people all over the world. Its changed the culture (well, music and TV has to do with it too) over here. people are afraid to leave thier houses in my town at night, just last week my friend's big sis threw a party, which ended up in a stabbing in her room (after 2 boys playing GTA and listening to "Gangsta rap" music, blood was everywhere..... it must have been a slow death....) and 2 fatal overdoses of Ecstacy (wasnt caused by games though...just the influence of rap and TV, which really has nothing to do with the matter).

I damn these games to hell. And the culture that they support.

of course, This isnt really the parent's fault, as the game can be played in most game shops, and is advertised on the TV pre-watershed.

Games really can change people I guess.....

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Post by: Trevlac on August 03, 2005, 08:24:51 PM

Don't blame the games!  It's the culture.  What a more negative culture there is, I do not know.  You don't have to be "hip hop" to be black.  God.  Black people going "Yo, dis is teh way I rolls, bich"  Basicly meaning they feel they can identify with this.  It's the bandwagon crap again.  But that culture is truely the bane of us.  How retarded do you have to be to think Jazz is white people music? I seriously heard someone tell me this.  He got smacked. (I didn't do it).  That was just an example though.  "Oh don't listen to Jazz now!  'Cause the negro in red over there'll pop a cap in yo azz."

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 08:25:08 PM

What I believe is, people who play these games, listen to this music, watch this stuff on TV, have a choice to be brainwashed.  I've listened/played/watched this stuff, and so has a large number of people who I know, and they weren't brainwashed.  The diehard fans, perhaps this stuff reflects their personality because thats how they were raised, so that is why they like these things so much.  The people let themselves get brainwashed.  But still, these types of things were going on BEFORE all this stuff was born, therefore, it can't be the games entirely.  I'll admit, maybe the games were an extra little push, but obviously, things had to have happened in order for the people to turn out the way they are, and thus, likeing these types of things so much.

My opinion, anyway.

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Post by: Drace on August 03, 2005, 08:25:23 PM

Rockstars make such games cause people want to do something in a game which they can't allways do in real life. Or get away with it at least.

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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on August 03, 2005, 08:27:29 PM

I don't believe games can make people more violent. I've played a lot of Mario games, and I've never felt the urge to go outside and jump on people and throw turtles at them.

Parents should be a little more involved in watching what games kids are playing. But not too much though; I don't want my mom to come into my room and quiz me; I mean, perhaps they can just peek in their kids' rooms and make sure there are no naked people on the screen or something.

Here's a ridiculous story: you know the M-rated game Conker's Bad Fur Day for N64 right? The one that stars that cute little squirrel? A lady sued because she bought the game for her 8 year old son because she assumed it was a kids game because of the cute little squirrel on the box. I think the case got thrown out because it has a big M on the box saying that it's not for kids. o_0

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Post by: Trevlac on August 03, 2005, 08:28:38 PM

Oh and Leon_1990, I meant to say; not to be cold about this or anything but that's just one instance (perhaps of a few more) but you can't condemn the many for the faults of the few.  America already does that in general, we don't need individuals doing that too.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 08:44:42 PM

A agree with Asakura, about the teaching at an early age thing. Also, I agree with the taking out anger on the 'o's and I's' lol. I do tend to do that myself. XD

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Post by: Dominant on August 03, 2005, 08:52:16 PM

For playing a game to alter someone's personality, that person most likely has the minimum amount of willpower any human being could possibly have.  I'm not a GTA fan (In fact, I think GTA is a piece of crap), but I know people who are, and they're some of the nicest, most non-violent people I know.

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Post by: Drace on August 03, 2005, 08:57:03 PM

Indeed. And why do they play it? Because they aren't that violent in real life and like to see how it is without massecaring your neighbourhood.

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Post by: Darkfox on August 03, 2005, 09:00:01 PM

Funny, I wrote a paper on this a while back. Games just don't make kids insane, it is all on the child's condition, psychologically.

Me for instance, I can kill things in a video game because I know they aren't truly living to begin with, but when it comes to real life I don't even hunt because I'm afraid to pull the trigger on another living breathing thing.

I think kids know the difference between game and reality, especially a 14 year old. Though honestly I care little for GTA games (I play fantasy titles primarily) to sue them for a child's actions is purely idiotic, it comes down that it was the child's choice, the child's free will to do what he did.

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 09:04:46 PM

Hehe, after all this debate were pretty much back to square one.  It's all everyone's fault as to why everyone is warped.

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Post by: SnakeIzeGambit on August 03, 2005, 09:07:50 PM

Leon, I think what you said was one of the most biased thing I've ever heard on this forum, not to mention a load of crap. It doesn't take "gangsta rap" and a game to turn somebody into a killer. Those type of people must either have extremely low will power or are sick in the head. Maybe it was self-defense, doesn't matter really because it most likely had nothing to do with the game or the music.

If rap and this game can influence people to do things like taking X and killing, that means that some country music (not seriously)  can influence people into beatin there wives and and sleeping with their daughters/sister. OR that some heavy metal or rock can influence people into slitting there wrists or conjuring demons (still... not seriously)

It's not happening, and that lady is at fault because the game wasn't intended for kids under 18 living at home with an over-protective, yet idiotic mother.

I blame people like you for making this world a shitty place.

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 03, 2005, 09:10:10 PM

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Oh and Leon_1990, I meant to say; not to be cold about this or anything but that's just one instance (perhaps of a few more) but you can't condemn the many for the faults of the few.  America already does that in general, we don't need individuals doing that too.

I see what you are saying....
But it does happen alot. I know someone else who has become Physically and mentally retarded Because of This Violence.And I actually witnessed someone being chased up the street by a guy with a knife just yesterday.

and SnakeIzeGambit,
I know I am probably wrong to condemn videogames and culture, but it is my view, please respect it.

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Post by: oooog on August 03, 2005, 09:12:10 PM

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Leon, I think what you said was one of the most biased thing I've ever heard on this forum, not to mention a load of crap. It doesn't take "gangsta rap" and a game to turn somebody into a killer. Those type of people must either have extremely low will power or are sick in the head. Maybe it was self-defense, doesn't matter really because it most likely had nothing to do with the game or the music.

If rap and this game can influence people to do things like taking X and killing, that means that some country music (not seriously)  can influence people into beatin there wives and and sleeping with their daughters/sister. OR that some heavy metal or rock can influence people into slitting there wrists or conjuring demons (still... not seriously)

It's not happening, and that lady is at fault because the game wasn't intended for kids under 18 living at home with an over-protective, yet idiotic mother.

I blame people like you for making this world a shitty place.

You see, this is what I've been trying to say, I just couldn't find the words.    G'job.

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Post by: SnakeIzeGambit on August 03, 2005, 09:19:58 PM

 

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and SnakeIzeGambit,
I know I am probably wrong to condemn videogames and culture, but it is my view, please respect it.

And it's my culture, respect that.

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Post by: RuneBlade on August 03, 2005, 09:27:47 PM

Ive been playing a few games 15 and 18+ since I was twelve, has never changed anything in my life. I don´t think games influence can change you that much into actually doing those things, or things even close to that. I bet that kid didnt walk around with an SMG in the middle of a mall trying to "cap" those neggro´s over there and beat down policemen with baseballbats.  

My opinion is that the parents are only going way over their heads, poking their ignorant overprotective fingers into something they shouldnt.

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 03, 2005, 09:29:15 PM

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and SnakeIzeGambit, I know I am probably wrong to condemn videogames and culture, but it is my view, please respect it.

And it's my culture, respect that.

I hope that wasnt meant to Piss me off.....

and really, I didnt say that I didnt respect your culture, because that would be ignorant and probably, racist, Instead I said, that SOME people take the culture too far when influenced by certain things due to thier weak minds.

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Post by: Osmose on August 03, 2005, 09:29:55 PM

The code for the sex minigame was left in all the copies of San Andreas, but was disabled. Someone found it, enabled it, and, for entertainment, added naked skins. The original just had them in skimpy outfits, while CJ stays fully clothed. No actual nudity was in the original.

There will never be a time when someone doesn't oppose something. I'm sure people in the past have gone against Scooby Doo because of the suggestiveness about a hippy, a nerd, two popular kids all talking to their dog and driving around the country in a beat up van, saying that the show provotes drugs or something, but when was the last time you actually thought of drugs when you watched Scooby Doo?

Misinformation will always exist. The news reports incompletely about what you must do to unlock the actual minigame. (On a console, you'd need a mod chip to unlock it [I believe, anyway], and thusly would already be well into the realms of illegality before watching some 3d characters take suggestive poses and make suggestive noises). This is the same news that says that all chat rooms contain people waiting to rape your children, and this is the same news that wastes it's time covering the trila of a man who can sing and dance well. Don't get so worked up about it.

Oh, and Leon, just because someone chases someone else down the street with a knife doesn't mean GTA is a horrible game.

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 03, 2005, 09:33:32 PM

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Oh, and Leon, just because someone chases someone else down the street with a knife doesn't mean GTA is a horrible game.

hmmmm.... it seems that what I was saying has been mis-interperated

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Post by: Red Giant on August 03, 2005, 10:12:10 PM

Someone said something to me once before that I think can apply here. "Heavy Metal fans don't become Satanists, Satanists become Heavy Metal fans." The point is that kids who commit such crimes are probably relating to the materials, not being influenced by them.
The core issue is a crock anyway. This mod must bump it up from a, what? A 17 to an 18? The only people who really have a right to complain are the parents who bought the game for their 17 year old kid. Killing prostitutes, stealing cars and shooting cops is all merry fun for my child, but SEX?! HEAVENS FORBID.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 10:25:18 PM

Lmao!!! Hey, Snake erm...he meant no disrespect..so..erm.. you two make up, now! Before I bury your both out back...(is joking) Thank you, Osmose ^^

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Post by: maxine on August 03, 2005, 10:25:38 PM

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Someone said something to me once before that I think can apply here. "Heavy Metal fans don't become Satanists, Satanists become Heavy Metal fans." The point is that kids who commit such crimes are probably relating to the materials, not being influenced by them.
The core issue is a crock anyway. This mod must bump it up from a, what? A 17 to an 18? The only people who really have a right to complain are the parents who bought the game for their 17 year old kid. Killing prostitutes, stealing cars and shooting cops is all merry fun for my child, but SEX?! HEAVENS FORBID.

well said..

And some ppl are sensitive too games like GTA.. Some ppl liek the P.I.M.P.S who goes down the street in a fancy car pulling out  gun and shoot the hell out of a biatch down the street. VG today affect children easily. Soon i will probably understand the 18 year mark on the games, why they are there and what the consequenses are if they arent followed. Lucky me that i aint easily affected by such things.... But once a kid killed his sister during a show of Power rangers... I mean some kids see them selves in the tv. They wanna be as them or as them in a game.. (damn look he has a gun, a fancy car, cool clothes and have THAT respect). Now i have too do the same... I will never be able too feel that feeling of doing the same as something in a VG. Must be scary for ppl who feels that...

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Post by: Trevlac on August 03, 2005, 10:27:19 PM

Finally Red shows his face.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 03, 2005, 10:28:46 PM

What you just said reminded me of that guy who did some wrestlin' moves on a girl younger then him, some years back, and he killed her..Hmm...apparently he went to jail, left, and was back in jail for robbery I think XD

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 03, 2005, 10:31:36 PM

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What you just said reminded me of that guy who did some wrestlin' moves on a girl younger then him, some years back, and he killed her..Hmm...apparently he went to jail, left, and was back in jail for robbery I think XD

lol nae luck :D

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Post by: GhostClown on August 03, 2005, 10:34:28 PM

Well, yeah like Osmose said, the content actually had to be hacked out, some nerds took broken data which wasn't supposed to be fixed, and they did, and they made it playable. It's only the PC version, and you can actually download the hack, it's called "Hot coffee." Rockstar, well aware that the crack had hit the Internet already; it couldn't be stopped. So they agreed to make it 'AO' rated.

And video games have nothing to do with violence that people decide to do. Someone can only assume that if they dig far too deep into a situation. And that can be any situation. And on the other hand that can be done with anything. "Oh no Jimmy read this violent book! And then killed someone twelve years later! It's all the book's fault."

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Post by: maxine on August 03, 2005, 10:45:57 PM

Well ghostclown, since you arent affective in that way which some ppl are you cant say its not the VG´s fault or anything... Maybe its their minds.. They maybe are tooo in for what happens on the screen. It maybe is some kind of trance or psychic ****, who knows.....

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Post by: GhostClown on August 04, 2005, 12:13:05 AM

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Well ghostclown, since you arent affective in that way which some ppl are you cant say its not the VG´s fault or anything... Maybe its their minds.. They maybe are tooo in for what happens on the screen. It maybe is some kind of trance or psychic ****, who knows.....

So basically you're saying that it only effects gullible and the weak minded. You may have a point, or maybe I'm just giving you too much credit.

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Post by: maxine on August 04, 2005, 12:21:25 AM

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Originally posted by maxine Well ghostclown, since you arent affective in that way which some ppl are you cant say its not the VG´s fault or anything... Maybe its their minds.. They maybe are tooo in for what happens on the screen. It maybe is some kind of trance or psychic ****, who knows.....

So basically you're saying that it only effects gullible and the weak minded. You may have a point, or maybe I'm just giving you too much credit.

nah.. Look, what i say is like some ppl have problems. And we dont, so we cant say how it is having a problem right?. And you are right aswell, games shall not be blamed or something like that.. Maybe they are born with a weak mind, maybe not. I dont know, and i would definitly dont wanna know how it feels too be this kind of "whatever we have came with" person.. The games have an minimum age of 18, then its up too the parents or the seller if the child is gonna have that game.

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Post by: Lighting Half Dozen on August 04, 2005, 12:27:28 AM

THe smartest thing you will ever get out of me:

Its rated MA, for mature, over 17. That is not the buying age, its the playing age. Parents should at least know what a game is before they buy it. THe game consists of:

Car jacking
picking up hookers
killing pimps
beating the hell out of cops
raiding malls
and the main goal, Save the Hood.

A game about savein da hood is not something for kids. Paren't shouldn't be surprised some girl askes for coffe and you get nailed. plus, well, GTa is gay.

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Post by: maxine on August 04, 2005, 12:35:18 AM

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THe smartest thing you will ever get out of me:

Its rated MA, for mature, over 17. That is not the buying age, its the playing age. Parents should at least know what a game is before they buy it. THe game consists of:

Car jacking
picking up hookers
killing pimps
beating the hell out of cops
raiding malls
and the main goal, Save the Hood.

A game about savein da hood is not something for kids. Paren't shouldn't be surprised some girl askes for coffe and you get nailed. plus, well, GTa is gay.

1. you forgot just freely go around killing and making blood bath

2.you think its gay? nice some ppl dont and i think someone thinks ur gay.. Honestly and without offence

3. I like GTA, think its cool and i am surprised by their system of creation. Am i a less good person now?

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Post by: Drace on August 04, 2005, 12:49:14 AM

Just why do you allways give 3 awnsers?

Anyhoe, if people have 'problems' then they should not play these games. Simple.

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Post by: Leon_1990 on August 04, 2005, 12:50:19 AM

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Just why do you allways give 3 awnsers?

Anyhoe, if people have 'problems' then they should not play these games. Simple.

*applause*

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Post by: maxine on August 04, 2005, 12:50:43 AM

well they are obsessed by the game. Simple

and i aint giving 3 alteratives always.. It happened too be 3 examples here and probably 3 at the other places wwhere i say 3 examples.

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Post by: coasterkrazy on August 04, 2005, 01:12:18 AM

I've always hated GTA. Ever since my friend was like "OMG Play Vice City it rocks!" So we played it, and it's just like, whts wrong with games today? Give the player a gun and put blood everywhere and they're happy. I never even found it fun to play. Well, maybe for about 10 minutes. Then after that it's like ok I'm getting tired of just killing people and hijacking cars and getting cops to chase me and stuff.

Maybe I'm wrong. I cant say I've played the missions, but from what I've seen it wouldn't even be worth it to me.

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Post by: Trevlac on August 04, 2005, 07:03:54 PM

Maxine, I just saw the three dumbest posts ever on page 3 all made by the same member.  Shot in the dark at who it was?

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Post by: Linkmaster on August 04, 2005, 07:19:00 PM

I actually blame it on Tony Blair. He took the credit for everything he wasn't involved in might aswell blame him for everything.

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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on August 04, 2005, 07:26:55 PM

The cheat codes in GTA can be funny.  :heart:
I love making cars explode during cutscenes! The characters get blown away and keep talking like nothing happened. XD

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 04, 2005, 07:32:01 PM

GTA is a hillarious game. both games; he things in it are so darn stuid they're actually funny.

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Post by: BlackIceAdept on August 04, 2005, 08:10:35 PM

but I have to agree there is one use for GTA and other *similer* games... something to release cheat-code powered anger upon! >:

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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 04, 2005, 08:57:01 PM

There's only ONE person to blame. It's not TV, Movies, Games, Music, Fads, Books, Magazines, Internet, the game companies, the parents, the sibling, the dog, the cat, the fish, the hamster, the mailman, the UPS guy, the FedEx guy, the sanatacian worker, the president, the government, the city, the state, the country, the continent, the world, the church, the religion, the food, or any other stupid lame excuse that someone can blame for this. It's the person who CHOOSES to watch, play, surf, look, browse, or listen to whatever it is they are doing. It's THEIR choice that effects THEM, so the only person you can blame is the person who chooses to do it.

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Post by: Drace on August 04, 2005, 09:01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Ace of Spades
There's only ONE person to blame. It's not TV, Movies, Games, Music, Fads, Books, Magazines, Internet, the game companies, the parents, the sibling, the dog, the cat, the fish, the hamster, the mailman, the UPS guy, the FedEx guy, the sanatacian worker, the president, the government, the city, the state, the country, the continent, the world, the church, the religion, the food, or any other stupid lame excuse that someone can blame for this. It's the person who CHOOSES to watch, play, surf, look, browse, or listen to whatever it is they are doing. It's THEIR choice that effects THEM, so the only person you can blame is the person who chooses to do it.

His own fault. For people who don't want to read it all.

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Post by: Lighting Half Dozen on August 04, 2005, 09:45:25 PM

Maybe the'll malke a GTA game set in the 1600s...They had rape back then, right?

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Post by: smokey_locs2002 on August 04, 2005, 10:45:22 PM

<.< I don't think Rated A games here in the US.

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Post by: Razor on August 04, 2005, 10:50:46 PM

I knew this guy, big fat and really hair, anyway, long story short, he took this plumber guy's girlfriend hostage on top of this uncompleted building, and started throwing barrels at him. long story short, the plumbers lawyer sued nintendo.

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Post by: Trevlac on August 04, 2005, 10:51:06 PM

You need to shut up Kairou.

I agree 100% with Ace.

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Post by: Drace on August 04, 2005, 11:07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Razor
I knew this guy, big fat and really hair, anyway, long story short, he took this plumber guy's girlfriend hostage on top of this uncompleted building, and started throwing barrels at him. long story short, the plumbers lawyer sued nintendo.

Is that true? Cause it's ****ing hilarious if so. I wonder what a mega Kirby fan would do. Try to suck up people?

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Post by: Almeidaboo on August 05, 2005, 12:12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
It's not entirely the parent's fault. What about Rockstar? Why are they producing such violent games when they know something like this could happen?

Oh yeah it is. Because why would that f|_|ck head mother buy that game to her kid is it has a adult rating??


EDIT: LOL, I had to do this...the next thing will be like:

"Oh My GOD, I bought this movie to my kid and, I liked the actress name, Silvia Saint, and when I played it, there was a dick, then a vagina, and then CLOSE YOUR EYES CLOSE YOUR EYES BILLY!!!, what kind of sick studio makes a movie called Silvia Saint and the MAGIC WAND?? I´M GONNA SUE! I´LL SUE THIS BUTTMAN WHATEVER!"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 05, 2005, 02:47:07 PM

*fumes* Ok, look...last time I'll say this. Next time, I'll just ask a mod or admin to lock this topic. Trev, I shall ask you in the nicest way possible..and look I'll even use a please and thank you.
Trev, could you please respect what others have to say and stop telling people to 'shutup' I mean, there is a way to disagree, but do it in a 'mature' manner. Thankyou.
Maxine, Razor was just trying to point out something that I have to agree with, so please don't argue with him. Thank you..that is all.. Mid~

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Post by: DvlshAngil on August 05, 2005, 04:01:04 PM

Felt the urge to comment on this and actually return to the original topic.  I believe that parents A) are stupid when it comes to giving their children what they want B) Will force the blame of their child's actions on ANYTHING but themselves.

 Parents are always looking for excuses to push the blame off themselves when they've slacked off.  The mother in this didn't read the M rating or didn't care when she bought it and so upon finding porn in it she decides that she won't shoulder the responsibility of her own actions and will take it out on a multimillion dollar corporation instead?  Hmmm, I wonder why little Jimmy would act irresponsibile if Mommy dearest is the one setting the example.  

 I'm speaking from the point of a parent (my kids are little though and I dread having experiences like this when they're older).  It's the MOTHERS fault, and she needs to buck up and take responsibility for her actions, as all parents should.  Otherwise, what type of society can we expect to live in?

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Post by: Trevlac on August 05, 2005, 04:22:55 PM

My parents are quite logical and have a good amount of common sense to boot.  However, upon telling them that they do not set a good example for themselves or me they interrogate me and request that I give ample proof of this.  I give around 12 example for each case I inteded to prove but they blow it all off because I'm a teen and I've never parented.  Perhaps, now I know it's crazy, but just perhaps I am the one who is, for once, correct?

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on August 05, 2005, 04:38:45 PM

Games= scapegoat.

Where do kids get language from? Their parents. When parent put their children to bed, they think they stay there. So they curse. The child really is awake and listening to every word they say.

ZING..........

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Post by: DvlshAngil on August 05, 2005, 04:44:07 PM

Well yes, but they'd never admit that to you.

It's hard to admit when you make mistakes, but it's even harder to admit you've made mistakes in your behaviour/examples around your children.  There is alot of pressure in today's society for parents to be perfect, expecially with loony's cropping up all the time.  I had my son when I was only 18, and it's been hard to raise him without people looking down at me.  Just as people and pressure around you drive you to be the perfect (or imperfect) teenager they do it with parents.  So next time that happens, bow out gracefully and say to them that you're sorry you don't see eye to eye.  Show maturity and they should respond with it.  (Although I still have trouble getting my parents to admit that I'm an adult ) ;)

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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 05, 2005, 06:36:26 PM

Has anyone noticed that the mother is definately going to lose this? GTA was a 17+ game. She should have never bought it in the first place, because either way, even if it was a 16+ game, the boy is 13 / 14 years old. He wasn't allowed to play it anyway.

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Post by: Trevlac on August 05, 2005, 09:14:16 PM

Thanks DvlishAngel.  I'm going to just

*bow* It is unfortuante that we do not agree

*leave*

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Post by: Drace on August 05, 2005, 09:24:46 PM

Gary, have you noticed that with games they're easy here in Holland. I bought Resident Evil Code Veronica X alone a few years ago. It's a 16+ game and I was around 12. They allowed me. Also I bought Metal Gear Solid 3 a few months ago. It's a 16+ game I think. And they allowed. Though, with movies they're more difficult here.

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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 06, 2005, 01:27:44 AM

Yes, true, BUT the mother had bought the game, and she could have seen the PG rating. Yes, in Holland they HAD a worse system, but I believe that now you'll need to identify yourself. Part of the law (if you're over 14), part of... well, the law.

But, in short, the mother made her own mistake by not reading the PG rating.

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Post by: maxine on August 06, 2005, 09:31:55 AM

Here in sweden where i live you can aswell buy games that are above ur age very easily.... Pretty foolish

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Post by: LynX on August 06, 2005, 10:16:26 AM

And, when it comes to games and movies and stuff influencing people to kill, then WHO gave them the weapon?! Terminator?!

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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 06, 2005, 02:13:39 PM

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And, when it comes to games and movies and stuff influencing people to kill, then WHO gave them the weapon?! Terminator?!

No, because his weapons all got destroyed along with the Terminator himself. As seen in the last two Terminator movies.

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Post by: LynX on August 06, 2005, 04:37:07 PM

It could have been anyone! Lara Croft! Duke Nukem! Aladdin! Osama Bin Laden! Predator! ANYONE!!! :D

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Post by: Drace on August 06, 2005, 05:23:38 PM

Barney....