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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: White Dwarf on August 08, 2005, 08:26:36 PM

Title: What White has to say.
Post by: White Dwarf on August 08, 2005, 08:26:36 PM
I'm making this topic just to clear a few things up. I'm making it after reading this topic, you may want to read it first.
The topic. (http://"http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12831&forumid=12&catid=6")
((http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12831&forumid=12&catid=6))
It's locked, so I was forced to make this topic.

If your a mod, please dont lock this topic. Because...

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EDIT: let me explain why I locked this a bit better. All these threads just point fingers, causes people to be uncomfortable, And when a accusation such as serious as A mod being Lord raffles is not acceptable unless who ever does has valid proof.


True, but if you dont let us sort all this out, more and more topics are just going to be made, and its never going to stop. So let this topic stay so we can sort it out.

First. About Pop, pop2 and pop3

Pop: This one would be my falt. Josh C is a boy from my class, we often went to the library together, but one day I was round his house. I went on charas. He started to ask tons of questions about it and finaly made me (Yes. made. he actualy used blackmail.) to make a new account, I made someone called Toxic (And for that I'm very sorry) We logged on as Toxic and I told him his way round charas. Then I desided to go to the library, I logged off Toxic and told Josh to wait for Toxic to log on, and told him when he does, it means I'm at the library and then to go to the library to meet me there. So I left the house with Josh on charas, and knowing how to make an account. I'm a fool. When Josh met me at the library computers, he had already made Pop, back then I dident care so much, so went on with what I was doing online. Leaving josh with 2 charas accounts. Pop and Toxic.
When Red came down to my house one day, I met with Josh and we went to the libary, which is why Red me and Pop had the same IP adress once, this also happened a few more times, but I'm not sure how many. But now I have convinced Josh that he cant go back on charas. and so I'm sure this is the end of him.

Pop2: He was done by Josh's younger brother, Sam, Josh gets upset easly and so he always tells his brother about his day, Sam normaly helps Josh stay happy, which is why Sam, who is only 10, Made Pop2 to try and make Josh feel a bit better about being banned. It dident work.

Pop3: This was someone else, I know its not Josh or his brother. Because I was on the phone to Red once, and Pop3 added Red on Msn and started to talk to him, he told me so I got of the phone to Red, and phoned Josh, and Asked What Msn was, he said it was a virus and to ask him for help if i couldent sort it out myself, i hung up and re-phoned Red, knowing pop3 wasent Josh. (I also know as Josh doesent have Broadband so couldent have answered the phone if he was talking to Red on Msn.) But I dont know who it is. Sorry I cant help in this.

Ok, that's pop, pop2 and pop3.

Raffles. Is not Red or me, I dont know this one, I KNOW it's not Red as he wasent here for the last few days, he was in a different country, and away from a computer and as you know Raffles was IM'ing Davis the last few days.

About Red being me and me being Red, this is not true. Ok, Red made my account in the library with me sitting next to him, and on SS he made my profile as I dident have the internet at home and i had lost my library card. But i am not Red. When Red logs on right after me, or me after Red it's because we are family so we stay over each others houses alot. And so use each others computers.

That's all I can think of today. Any questions and I'll happerly answer them.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 08:29:12 PM
Also, as a very important thing.

The previous topic was locked before any evidence could be presented that Red was NOT Raffles.  This is why this thread was created.  This problem will not just "die" form being locked.  It'll only prupetuate people's curiosity.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on August 08, 2005, 08:38:50 PM
I don't think I was here yet when pop, pop2, and pop3 were around, but it's good that you cleared things up.
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Post by: Darkfox on August 08, 2005, 08:41:29 PM
So there is a possibly connection between pop3 and this mystery person?
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on August 08, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
Enlightning.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 08:44:22 PM
Oh, and the person that sent the email to Ace in the other topic proved he is capable of hacking.  So cybercyborg could have been hacked on charas.  Sai says cybercyborg was on charas at that time.  And DF says that AIM screenname ccyborg IM'd me on couldn't have been him.  Since ccyborg can't know of a "Lord Raffles" as he specificly said, (because he's an old member), he must not be ccyborg.

So either they're the same person or the person who emailed Red was bluffing with the IP check thing.  He could have since it's unlikely Red would check to make sure.
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Post by: Dragonium on August 08, 2005, 08:44:26 PM
This is all immensely confusing. :|

Though I don't believe for a second that Red is or was Raffles. It's ridiculous.

It's been said, but we all need to look to the future of Charas, not the past. Sure, this needs cleaning up, but we can't dwell on it. These people are trying to break up Charas, and we're letting them succeed. We should gain from this, not lose.

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Definition of Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.


Is it not true that what is going on here, could be counted as Terrorism. They are using force (Sort of) against Charas users, to try and intimidate us and destroy our society, for a sort of ideological objective (Which could apply to Raffles, I don't know).

Meh, Draggy can speculate no longer.

W3rd.
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Post by: White Dwarf on August 08, 2005, 08:44:33 PM
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Originally posted by Darkfox
So there is a possibly connection between pop3 and this mystery person?


I only know that pop3 is not Josh or anyone else I know in "real life." So could be anyone.
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Post by: WingZero on August 08, 2005, 08:44:39 PM
I know its not you or Red doing this I guess was the same guy who was trying to make Red look bad in Reains shout box when the java codes were actvive in the sigs. ;)
and by the way the link to the Topic doesn't work  :p
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Post by: White Dwarf on August 08, 2005, 08:48:45 PM
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and by the way the link to the Topic doesn't work  :p


Ooops. I'll fix that.
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Post by: carmen on August 08, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
oi vey, ok go ahead sherlocks, have your fun. I'm keeping a sharp eye on this though
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 08:55:05 PM
Also, I don't know aobut this, but I think I remember hearing KM say that pop3 was Kairou.  If so, could you tell us, l6?
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Post by: Dragonium on August 08, 2005, 08:56:36 PM
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oi vey, ok go ahead sherlocks, have your fun.


Elementary, my dear Carmen. *Sits in the corner with pipe*

Meh, I hate to say it, but pop3 could be anyone. Anyone can come along, see pop and pop2, see what a mess they made, and go about causing problems. I mean, any minute, "Lord Raffles II" could join Charas, who may not actually be the real Raffles, and cause more trouble, and the whole cycle repeats. I'm keeping an eye on the "Newest Member" thingy from now on.

W3rd.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 08, 2005, 09:00:11 PM
>_>         <_<................I'm pop3.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 09:20:33 PM
I figured it all out!

Raffles is actually ALEX AND RED!

And guess who they are?  TREVLAC!

Darkfox is Ace of Spades and SaiKar!

GhostClown is Carmen!

Razor is Warxe, White, Kairou, and Weregnome!


So what does everyone think?
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Post by: WingZero on August 08, 2005, 09:29:33 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I figured it all out!

Raffles is actually ALEX AND RED!

And guess who they are?  TREVLAC!

Darkfox is Ace of Spades and SaiKar!

GhostClown is Carmen!

Razor is Warxe, White, Kairou, and Weregnome!


So what does everyone think?


uhhh...youre going a bit out your self there  :|
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Post by: Darkfox on August 08, 2005, 09:31:46 PM
Case closed due to lack of sanity...
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on August 08, 2005, 09:37:11 PM
Lack of sanity? Are you refering to Trevlac's post? It was just one big sarcasmn because this whole situation is rather confusing. Some people claims to be others and all that.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 09:43:14 PM
^What he said.
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Post by: Darkfox on August 08, 2005, 09:48:37 PM
I know... what confuses me is why Ace and Trevlac? Why do they go to them? It would make more sense to pick a "higher up" that everybody would listen to, ya know? It's all too fishy... and I hate fish.
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Post by: WingZero on August 08, 2005, 09:57:16 PM
I think was because he hated both of them  :| remember the game thread Raffle made about Ace?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 08, 2005, 10:02:06 PM
He made a game thread about me? o_O
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 10:12:49 PM
Why would he hate Ace and me?  I thought Raffles hated DF?
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 08, 2005, 10:15:10 PM
*rolls eyes* things people worry about. *heads drop on desktop*

Anyway...  if u guys (as in the ones playing 'clue' here) think outside the box you will come out with very clear answers. *looks shifty over a post he saw near the ......*
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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 08, 2005, 10:19:20 PM
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*looks shifty over a post he saw near the ......*

If you're talking about mine, that was a joke. :p But there was a post that interested me.
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Post by: WingZero on August 08, 2005, 10:20:13 PM
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He made a game thread about me? o_O


This one  thread (http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=12554&forumid=44&catid=6)  [/B]
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Post by: Darkfox on August 08, 2005, 10:23:57 PM
I want this mystery put behind us actually, the sooner the better so we can get on with the normal... apparently what this person is doing is trying to spawn paranoia.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 08, 2005, 10:24:58 PM
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He made a game thread about me? o_O


This one  thread  

Oh, THAT one.
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Post by: WingZero on August 08, 2005, 10:28:08 PM
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Why would he hate Ace and me?  I thought Raffles hated DF?

I miss this one i don't think the one after you and Ace is Raffles.
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Post by: Darkfox on August 08, 2005, 10:43:50 PM
 
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apparently what this person is doing is trying to spawn paranoia.


Playing mind games to spawn suspicions in other words. Especially directed at mods.
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Post by: Razor on August 08, 2005, 10:59:50 PM
speaking of unanswered questions, and I would like this to be ANSWERED before this thread is locked:

In the original thread that spawned this one, on the first page, one of my later comments has my name in red for some reason. I didn't HTML that. So what happened?
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 10:59:56 PM
I'm already paranoid...as you all know.

But only a moron thinks that something like this could tear charas apart.  Even for CHARAS.

DF, let's hear your guesses on postmortem.
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Post by: Drace on August 08, 2005, 11:11:06 PM
Couldn't pop, pop2, pop3 and Raffles be connected? For one, they're all banned for doing something bad. And they all come from the UK. So maybe Raffles is pop. Or pop2. And pop3 was just a copycat. Or pop3 was a friend of pop and pop2.
Think about it White, who could pop3 and Raffles be? Who did you told in 'real life' about Charas? Who are pop's best friends?
Think damnit! THINK!
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Post by: Osmose on August 08, 2005, 11:16:06 PM
Who cares?
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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 08, 2005, 11:29:40 PM
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Who cares?


I friggin second, third, fourth, and so on that one!
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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 08, 2005, 11:36:28 PM
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oi vey, ok go ahead sherlocks, have your fun. I'm keeping a sharp eye on this though
That's exactly what I thought.

Anyway, to get back on the mystery called Pop3. I don't know who he is, but couldn't we just check his IP? Compare it with anyone on this board, and if we can't find it, just use WHOIS?
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Post by: Trevlac on August 08, 2005, 11:58:34 PM
I could perform a full out Browser-IP-Reverse DNS-Trace-blackhole-etc. scan on all 16888 members of charas.  If the admins will tell me that I may do so right now.
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Post by: WingZero on August 09, 2005, 12:06:51 AM
Well that would have been better from the start  :x
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Post by: Trevlac on August 09, 2005, 12:14:28 AM
But I'm not doing that unless I get permission.  It's quite ILLEGAL unless Alex gives written permission because he pays for charas.  Otherwise, if this forum was provided free from, say Invision Power Board, they could sue me instead of Alex.  As it is, I am not risking legal trouble.
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Post by: WingZero on August 09, 2005, 12:20:34 AM
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But I'm not doing that unless I get permission.  It's quite ILLEGAL unless Alex gives written permission because he pays for charas.  Otherwise, if this forum was provided free from, say Invision Power Board, they could sue me instead of Alex.  As it is, I am not risking legal trouble.


I din't know that  :blue-eye: well looks like it's waiting time.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on August 09, 2005, 12:57:54 AM
Tee hee. You're all so silly.  :p
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Post by: carmen on August 09, 2005, 03:46:07 AM
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Tee hee. You're all so silly.  :p


thats exactly what I was thinking
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Post by: Enduo_Ril on August 09, 2005, 05:06:33 AM
 
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I don't know who he is, but couldn't we just check his IP?


One problem... a lot of people use AOL, and AOL has dynamic IP addresses. In other words, every time you log on, your IP address changes, making them near-impossible to trace that way.

I'm not sure, but I think other ISP's use that also... but since the only one I've ever had is AOL (and Compuserve way back in the early 90's, but I didn't even know what an IP address WAS back then), I don't know about any others.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 09, 2005, 05:28:01 AM
LOL, AOL doesn't have dynamic IP addresses.  Their members all have dial up XD

For the AOL broadband users, I pity you, you could have better.
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Post by: Razor on August 09, 2005, 07:30:07 AM
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Couldn't pop, pop2, pop3 and Raffles be connected? For one, they're all banned for doing something bad. And they all come from the UK. So maybe Raffles is pop. Or pop2. And pop3 was just a copycat. Or pop3 was a friend of pop and pop2.
Think about it White, who could pop3 and Raffles be? Who did you told in 'real life' about Charas? Who are pop's best friends?
Think damnit! THINK!


Hey Iggy (is short for Ignoramus) White Dwarf SAID that Pop and Pop2 was his exfriend. So unless Raffles is Josh, which I'm sure we can ask White if Josh has something about socks and drugs, then I doubt it





also, did EVERYONE ignore my question? For a second time?
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Post by: Osmose on August 09, 2005, 10:54:19 AM
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LOL, AOL doesn't have dynamic IP addresses.  Their members all have dial up XD

For the AOL broadband users, I pity you, you could have better.


Yes, their members all have dialup, which is part of why they DO have dynamic IPs. There are two types of IPs, static and dynamic. Static is what most people with broadband have - they have a dedicated and unique connection that connects with the same identifier all the time. Dynamic IPs change, and are associated with dial up services, where the program chooses from a list of numbers to call and your IP is assigned based on that number, the number of people already connected, etc.

And AOL does not provide broadband. They provide a browser that is "optimized" for broadband that costs $20 a month. It's total crap.
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Post by: Drace on August 09, 2005, 10:58:56 AM
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also, did EVERYONE ignore my question? For a second time?


What question?
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Post by: White Dwarf on August 09, 2005, 02:11:12 PM
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Couldn't pop, pop2, pop3 and Raffles be connected? For one, they're all banned for doing something bad. And they all come from the UK. So maybe Raffles is pop. Or pop2. And pop3 was just a copycat. Or pop3 was a friend of pop and pop2.


Ok, pop3 was just some random member, I'm not sure who, I need to think to see if anyone else I know got online. Raffles is NOT Josh, for the simple reason Josh cant spell, only know's things about wars and always has a go at me because I'm on the internet all the time, now, why would he copy me? Also he couldent lie to me without giving in, he is to weak, he actualy thought he should do a welcome thread EVERY time he logged on, how could someone that stupid be raffles? I dout it, and Josh has this thing against natsi's and everything, alough he does have TONS of books about WWI and WWII, I dout he would pretend to like hitler just to insult people he doesent know, alough, once again, more the topic are things he thinks I do, he thinks i take drugs etc.

So... Josh could be Raffles due to the topic's etc. But Josh it to stupid to use propper grammer and spelling.
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Post by: Midnight9795 on August 09, 2005, 02:33:37 PM
Omg...Raffles is Raffles, end of story. Just deal with it, and move on.  (Z)
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Post by: Drace on August 09, 2005, 04:50:20 PM
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So... Josh could be Raffles due to the topic's etc. But Josh it to stupid to use propper grammer and spelling.


Tell me one thing. What the hell is a natsi?
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Post by: WarxePB on August 09, 2005, 04:55:32 PM
Razor:

"In the original thread that spawned this one, on the first page, one of my later comments has my name in red for some reason. I didn't HTML that. So what happened?"

Just a random fart in the Charas Forum code, perhaps. I can't really explain it, but it's nothing to worry about.


As for this whole "Raffles=someone else" thing, here's what I believe:

Raffles, unless he was once in to RPGMaking, really wouldn't know what or where Charas is. He could be a random occurence, but it seems more likely that he knew where Charas was before Raffles came onto the boards. So he could be someone obscure, or someone from another board.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 09, 2005, 05:21:26 PM
Actually, I think he kind of observed Charas before going here. He knew something was wrong with Charas, and he played in on it. Bad idea, perhapse, but he did proove he was right. There was something wrong with Charas, and people here emphesise it by reacting the way he wanted.

So, what I want to say with this, unless you all keep up with the behaviour, I'm almost 100% sure somebody equal to Raffletard will come here.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on August 09, 2005, 05:49:43 PM
I don't see anything wrong with Charas, really. I think you're all trying to make the forums the 'perfect world' that it can never be.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 09, 2005, 05:54:49 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with Charas, really. I think you're all trying to make the forums the 'perfect world' that it can never be.


Here here.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on August 09, 2005, 06:55:06 PM
The thing that is wrong with charas is the way you overreact when someone posts something controversial.
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Post by: Razor on August 09, 2005, 09:54:09 PM
Drace: With that answer I don't know whether to kill you or explain it but

Warxe: Thank YOU for answering
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on August 10, 2005, 08:43:07 PM
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I could perform a full out Browser-IP-Reverse DNS-Trace-blackhole-etc. scan on all 16888 members of charas.  If the admins will tell me that I may do so right now.


BLUFF - total ******* hacker-wannabe bluff.

No one listen to this loser - he couldn't hack his way out of a wet paper bag.


Actually, it would be possible to compile a leeching program, but that would take forever because you'd have to run it on all 16888 member profile pages. Unless you could make a search and divide within the leeching program to divide pages from the member lists, find their logged IP and make a list back to the user.

But that sh!t is ****ing hard.

EDIT: nice try...no more of that
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Post by: Goatulon on August 10, 2005, 08:48:41 PM
I only know one thing and that is that:
I'M SPARTACUS!
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Post by: Trevlac on August 11, 2005, 02:22:30 AM
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Actually, it would be possible to compile a leeching program, but that would take forever because you'd have to run it on all 16888 member profile pages. Unless you could make a search and divide within the leeching program to divide pages from the member lists, find their logged IP and make a list back to the user.

But that sh!t is****king hard.


I freaking agree.  However I would do it much simpler.  I make up some numbers that the program interprets as dates after asking the board the last post date for each member (that'll take all night and if anyone was scanning me, they could figure out what I was doing), if the date was whatever year I wanted, it could show up along with the IP.  I can't do this in RUBY though, so I'd have to actually try it in C#, Neo, Perl, or *gasp* VB, first.  It's just a theory, but it could work, and I have a way of troubleshooting that almost always makes the program do what I want.  It might work in COBOL...I'll have to see.

The first thing that occurred to me was to make a leech program...but my thoughts exactly, it would take forever to run it on 16k members.  Not to mention I would have to sort everything manually.
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Post by: Trevlac on August 11, 2005, 02:34:25 AM
Google rocks.