Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Grandy on August 19, 2005, 02:32:02 AM
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...this will be the last time.
When I'm finishing writing these words, I'm almost sure this thread here is already in a war, locked or deleted, if thats the case, I'll make ANOTHER thread to express my opinions, just like Raffles to tell the truth. But I won't post again after that, so don't get worried, I know when to give up.
Well, here I am.
Lets continue a little, shall we?
By deleting my last thread, you did what I think it was unuseful, you're trying to hide the problem.
This doesn't works, its just giving him why to continue doing that, hiding the problem will only cause it to come back later with more strengh(I like totally forgot how do you spell that) than before.
The human mind, when facing problems, activate many defenses to make it look small. Ocasionally, this defense can be just pretending the problem doesn't exists (as we can see by Razor's signature). Other times, we know and accept the problem exists, but we just do something else or go away to not have to think about it. And it also can happen that we don't accept we have a problem, and we put the fault into someone else. "Yes, this place is horrible, but it isn't my faut, its the fault of..." "...If it wasn't by him, everything would be just fine."
The problem can be evited temporaly this way, but as a sickness that its ingnored (or just medicated with medicines that only hide the pain, but doesn't cure), it'll inevitably grow and get worse. Pretending that this trouble is inexistant will only let space to it grow up.
"[...]If we face directaly our troubles, we'll be in a better position to see its profundity and nature. In a war, if we don't bother to know the capacity of our enemy, we'll be completaly unpreparet and paralised by the fear. However, if we know about the weapons the enemy use, its capacity and such, we will be in a betterposicion for when we enter in combat. The same way, if we face our problems instead of ignoring it, we'll be in a better posicion to make it stop." - Dalai Lama
First, we all have to accept this place HAS a problem in the moment. ... ... ... Did you already accepted it? Good. Now, what we have to do is to NOT lock or delete this thread, and discuss this problem. And the problem, as you may have guessed, its the currently war beetwen Kijuki, DF, Hector, charaman, Warxe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Sinceraly, I think the best way of solving this is to everyone say what they think is wrong, and the others, instead of replying, they could try to change what is wrong.
As an example: I think lately there has been too much lockage and deletage around here. Now, instead of saying how I'm wrong and how my opinion is soooooooo crappy, try to change it. I'll try to change my problems once you try to change yours.
Hector's threads souldn't be deleted because they MAYBE can turn into flame wars, if he break the rules, fine, delete that post where he broke it, not all the thread. Plus, saying that Hector's thread was becoming a war before it did its the same as George W. Bush saying he attacked the east because they maybe have chemical weapons.
Hector shoudn't post unnecessary information or porn or anything else he know its against the rules, its just not needed.
My main problem right now is that interesting threads, such as "MEAT=MURDER" were deleted without me knowing the reason, word say it was porn, but couldn't we just delet that single post and let the thread go on?
Well, thats it, I won't post anything else after that.
Oh, BTW, I keep half an hour writing this, forgive me if something else happened and I'm not warned of.
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Well said, Grandy. If more Charas members were like you, there'd probably be a lot less conflict on the boards.
But it is difficult to ignore C.HR, especially for me and Darkfox. We want to try and make a difference, and though ignoring him would be a very good idea, we continue posting to try and deter him from posting more. Though this strategy has been done to death and still doesn't work, we continue doing it because it might pay off. Besides, we need at least a few people to blindly attack C.HR, just to keep things interesting.
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The conflicts are started by the ones who make the threads.
Sorry, Grandy, don't mean to argue in here.
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it's crazy that this is being discussed in about 3 threads. but this one has the best approach.
The lockage deletage is normal around this time, it'll spike up durring the summer months when new users join. and the more newer users: the less rules being followed. So they mess up alot, you can only imagine how much Moving of threads I do.
EDIT: soon this will go down when schools start back up and only the "real" stronger charas members stay, it's a cycle.
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"I swear, there's ore of these things every year. Get the raid, will you?"
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What's wrong is the fact that many say, "Let's stop this," yet they continue to add fuel to the fire. When a voice of reson steps in, they ignore the person who is trying to help and continue to attack. Human instinct. Beat the horse until it's dead.
It has to be realized that people from all walks of life are different. But when faced with an ordeal, why get up and moan about it? Is it because you can't handle it? Do you wish to humiliate the other? Hidden agendas are what are imbedded in many of the posts. The thing we need to do is accept the differences in people and try and come to terms with each other.
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the following posts have been moved to this thread from a similar topic
drenrin2120:
It makes me sick, honest to god. I've been hearing things left and right about Raffles this and Raffles that. Pop1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ,50! Some of the most respectable members here have stooped to some low levels, so it seems. You've all turned in on eachother and made Alex's hard earned RPG Forum become a flame fest. An eternal "who can stab who in the back" first, "who can slit the other's throat" the fastest... It's sickening. You all need to realize one thing, how can you honestly get up in the morning, or whenever, and log on to Charas knowing this is what you're going to find??
Maybe i'm wrong to be saying this. And I know some of you are gonna say what you want to say. "It's raffle's fault!" "It's hector who started it all!" I don't give a **** who started what first! The fact is, you all bought into it and it's turned this forum into nothing but hell. It's made people edgy, it's made them tense, and purely unlikeable. This is no longer a forum for RPGs. I honestly don't know what it's for. To see all this bickering amongst eachother, fighting over stupid ****. Do you really even know why you're fighting? Can you tell me? I'd love to know! I feel like Smith talking to Anderson right now! Answer me, *******'t! So while you're all busy flaming ppl, the same ppl you once helped make games with, make stories and build a community, Charas is crumbling around you! And I know Alex must be itching to just push that delete button!
So, say I'm ranting on and on about nothing. Tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. But every last one of you needs to look at yourself before you post another word.
Sorry Alex, you've lost a member that cared. I've made my decision, I won't be coming back.
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DarkFox:
I only have dreams to return back to the old Charas, where we worked and helped each other on games because we liked to.
Do you think I don't see, do you think I'm blind to it? Do you think I'm just ranting? It's because I have a dream of a returned harmony. And one day I know that'll come true. Where we exchange our creative ideas, and well... as gamers and possible future game makers.
We should not always give up on our dreams, this one, the one of my friends, and the one of my story are ones I'll never let go of no matter what happens. I won't give up on any of that.
That was the point behind my song's title, "Never Die".
I won't give up on these dreams of mine, maybe you can, but I can never... and it's not just because I'm a mod, it goes a bit deeper, and I don't think I quite understand myself. This place holds history to me... it's my home on the net.
This may be one of our must unglorious days but we always pull through... and we'll do it again
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Spike21:
I think charas will return to to its normal self one day in a long time. But i will take a while to recover from its wounds. I say my dream is to become a graphics designer and this site has been helping me so far and i do not want it to stop. I say wut raffles did we should all forget about it and not acuse evry noob that comes to charas raffles cause what happend in the past we can not change it and if we could there would be no mistakes to learn from. And also we should welcome the noobs here as i was welcomed when i was a noob.
I think it is sad that drenrin is leaving. he made great music for me and many other people. but if you want to go. go i understand y u are leaving. I have many bad things to say about raffles but i am not going to say them because then it will start an all out flame war and i do not want that. And i think every one else should just forget about raffles.
If it is raffles that is causing every one to be like this i think that is very sad. Cause this is wut raffles really wanted was it not.
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...You think you can get to people by a speech. Sure you might hear someone say "Your totally right I want things to go back the way they we're!" Or even make another speech and then you discover that there flaming and spamming in the forums a few hourse maybe days later. You won't get through to people in words and you CAN'T get through to people by force. And banning is not going to help because they'll make a new account simple as that. Things might possibly never go back and thats okay. If you don't spam or flame or anything like that TRY to ignore the spamming and flaming. If theres flaming in a forum USE your commen sense..don't think about using it. Don't entertain the thought. If you post your going to add to the fire. They'll insult you and most likly 'pride' or whatever you want to call it takes over and you eventually start flaming. This hoever may not be the case with everyone but most of us. Even if it's meant for good intentions don't post in a flame. Even if it's "Hey you are so immature stop and try to make up I'm sure it was an accident." It will only make things worse. Two people are mad at eachother, it's pride vs. pride, ego vs. ego no one cans top it until someone makes a blow that hurts the other so badly they take thier anger not on that pwerson but the whole forums. Well I'm rambling and I better stop.
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Ok. I'm confused. What's with Charaman? And Warxe? I thought it was Hector(a.k.a. Raffles) who was making trouble. Someone, please inform me.
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Hey, what the **** am I being attacked for? My signature says what it says because I'm sick to **** of people continuously saying OHNOES!11 THE CHARAS ARE BEING ENDEDED!11one noting of course I had this up AFTER Raffles was banned and Before "Hector" existed.
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Words from a small-time moderator
I've been having my mouth shut for a long time and been watching you all. People are mentioning the same things over and over. All this chaos has been caused by one single little man.
You know how pathetic that sounds?
And everyone keeps mentioning that they want charas to become as it used to be. And that is not hard to make happen, all we really need to do is to show some respect to each other.
We have done that before and we can start doing it again.
And I know people will just reply to this "It ain't that simple little man.", and I believe that's wrong. That's exactly how simple it is!
We don't need to dream about everything going back to the way it was, let's just make it happen.
I have always been going by these words "As long as you're alive you have the ability to change". And I see that sentence fit into this kind of situation.
Instead of all this whining, can't we just forget about all this and move on? If we do that charas will become the way it was.
I remember in the beginning of April when someone posted the April Fools thread and everyone thought I was a girl, that was my favorite moment at charas this year for me. Back then people was happy and everyone had fun. And that was not long ago!
I have thousands of more examples but I am (the worst excuse ever, I know) too lazy to post them.
So now I ask you all please, can we just leave this behind and change what's coming back to the way it once was?
Who else agrees with me?
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I do.
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About time someone took the logical step.
With you all the way, Robotam! :)
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Not going to read all that Robotam. But I agree :p
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Know that Razor ain't your only follower, Robotam ;)
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Come on Drace, it's important! lol
Now, I won't be on for the next lengthy period of time, so I don't want to see this flame deroyed and locked, k?
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Yeah, the fearsome people hasn't come yet but I'm sure it won't be that way, Razor. :P
Thanks everyone.
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I'm going to say that Grandy has said what I have been wanting to say for a very.long.time.
I semi-agree with Robotam but I think that proposal is too abstract and doesn't actually accomplish anything. If I thought we were all mature enough to drop the whole issue and move on, I'd suggest it. However, charas has proven time and time again that they can not. I do not ask something of someone (or group of someones) that I know more than likely will not be done. Sorry Robotam, looks like your ideas are too mature for the current overall mindset of charas.
I still propose oooog's idea of an arguing forum called: (Extended Discussion) and a venting forum called: (Shout)
For the full details about this, check page 2 of Kijuki's "Stuff" thread.
I am just one member who sees things the way Grandy and Robotam see them, trying to make a difference. I probably won't, but the best thing I can hope to do is to keep trying, because I'm not the type to sit by a war or participate in it.
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I am with you, Robotam, but this won't be the end. Soon, someone else is going to be flamed through PMs (I have a feeling it's going to be me), and it's going to start all over again.
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These are my two cents.
Originally posted by Grandy
By deleting my last thread, you did what I think it was unuseful, you're trying to hide the problem.
This doesn't works, its just giving him why to continue doing that, hiding the problem will only cause it to come back later with more strengh(I like totally forgot how do you spell that) than before.
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First, we all have to accept this place HAS a problem in the moment.
This is what I have always said. Both things. Face the problem. Don't avoid it. You all say "we don't have a problem here at the moment." Yes, AT THE MOMENT, but when it's not "at the moment" things go shitty.
Originally posted by wildguy3922The conflicts are started by the ones who make the threads.
No, the conflicts are NOT started by the ones who make threads. There are enough people, even in politics, who are ignored by the crowd because that person talks nonsense, or something really offensive. A conflict starts when somebody is arguing against it.
Originally posted by Pythis
...You think you can get to people by a speech.
These words are only told by the ones who don't want to listen, who keep on doing what HE wants to do, not giving **** about other's opinion. These people tend to start the conflict sooner.
Originally posted by Darkfox
I only have dreams to return back to the old Charas, where we worked and helped each other on games because we liked to.
Do you think I don't see, do you think I'm blind to it? Do you think I'm just ranting? It's because I have a dream of a returned harmony. And one day I know that'll come true. Where we exchange our creative ideas, and well... as gamers and possible future game makers.
We should not always give up on our dreams, this one, the one of my friends, and the one of my story are ones I'll never let go of no matter what happens. I won't give up on any of that.
That was the point behind my song's title, "Never Die".
I won't give up on these dreams of mine, maybe you can, but I can never... and it's not just because I'm a mod, it goes a bit deeper, and I don't think I quite understand myself. This place holds history to me... it's my home on the net.
This may be one of our must unglorious days but we always pull through... and we'll do it again
These are great words, however, it seems that most have lost this dream. I still dream of the old Charas. I know we can't take it back, because of the way we are stuck in, well, the moment. We can't get out of it.
What I want to say with this is, get your heads out of your butts and wash your ears. Clean your eyes, and shut your piehole. Think, just THINK before saying something, before SCREAMING something. You all blame it on ONE person, without ever thinking what YOUR role was in the conflict.
I admitted I was wrong for a big part when RRWP came here. Yes, he was an *** himself, but I helped in everything. Some of us even admitted their wrong, but it wasn't just RRWP who did everything here. I did play a part in his leaving. I believe he just left the place, if I'm right, I need to ask Alex about it.
RRWP was actually the thing that opened my eyes, and even after that I felt that there was something going terribly wrong with Charas. Up until the arrival of Lord Raffles I wasn't sure, until the moment when somebody asked a banning for Lord Raffles. Then I found out what was really wrong. I don't protect Lord Raffles, but we did NOT give him a fair chance. At least most of you didn't. Sure, I did act mean towards him mostly, but I was also fair with him when he opened less provoking topics, heck, I even agreed with some of what he said.
I believe most mods and admins agree with what I said, especially Darkfox. I believe he realised the same thing I did, and I am sure he felt that tiny thing, the same thing that got me demoted. Of course, Darkfox got into deeper ****, by not consulting a psychiatrist (a good one) for his problems in the real life (shithead :P) but he survived. He also realised that the easiest way is not always the best way.
His case was different, yet the same in a way. He wanted to escape life, the easiest way, while he could also learn from it, the hard way. I think he will now choose the hard way. It is hard, but in the end it pays off.
You all took the easy way, by insulting everyone who is even a bit like Pop or anybody else after Pop. I'm not counting RRWP, because he never got banned, and I see no reason to have him banned. But like I said, it's easier doing it the easy way, but in the end the hard way pays off.
I hope you will read this, DF, because although I lost respect after you almost wanted to kick the bucket, I still respect you for the fact you put down the weapon before triggering it.
Learn from this. I'm not asking for new rules prohibiting you from scaring away the "retards", but I do ask you to learn. Learn, goddamnit! Learn!
It's still cold! GODDAMNIT! IT'S STILL COLD! (http://threesecondsmores.ytmnd.com/)
On another note, who the **** was Hector?
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There is something I do not understand one bit, at all. Osmose was the one that flamed, and Charaman was to blame.
Why?
I'm sure it would have been better if Osmose would at least tried to apologize, but he didn't even get that.
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Guys listen this is charas....we can do better than this we don't need to make nemies or allies. Ok somone flamed the board its only a mistake lets all take a deep breath and calm down alittle.
Since i am a newbie i would'nt know better but i think this flaming stuff can be solved so everyone should just forget what happened in the past and move on. We would'nt want to mess up the charas name :D .
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Maybe you don't understand because IT'S STILL COLD! (http://threesecondsmores.ytmnd.com/)
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I agree with you Gary, but once again, I've been ignored. Not surprised. If charas ignored conflict as well as they ignored reason, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I'm going to say that Grandy has said what I have been wanting to say for a very.long.time.
I semi-agree with Robotam but I think that proposal is too abstract and doesn't actually accomplish anything. If I thought we were all mature enough to drop the whole issue and move on, I'd suggest it. However, charas has proven time and time again that they can not. I do not ask something of someone (or group of someones) that I know more than likely will not be done. Sorry Robotam, looks like your ideas are too mature for the current overall mindset of charas.
I still propose oooog's idea of an arguing forum called: (Extended Discussion) and a venting forum called: (Shout)
For the full details about this, check page 2 of Kijuki's "Stuff" thread.
I am just one member who sees things the way Grandy and Robotam see them, trying to make a difference. I probably won't, but the best thing I can hope to do is to keep trying, because I'm not the type to sit by a war or participate in it.
There are a few people who see things the way they are meant to be seen. They just don't bother posting about it.
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I'm going to say that Grandy has said what I have been wanting to say for a very.long.time.
I semi-agree with Robotam but I think that proposal is too abstract and doesn't actually accomplish anything. If I thought we were all mature enough to drop the whole issue and move on, I'd suggest it. However, charas has proven time and time again that they can not. I do not ask something of someone (or group of someones) that I know more than likely will not be done. Sorry Robotam, looks like your ideas are too mature for the current overall mindset of charas.
I still propose oooog's idea of an arguing forum called: (Extended Discussion) and a venting forum called: (Shout)
For the full details about this, check page 2 of Kijuki's "Stuff" thread.
I am just one member who sees things the way Grandy and Robotam see them, trying to make a difference. I probably won't, but the best thing I can hope to do is to keep trying, because I'm not the type to sit by a war or participate in it.
As you can see we are already arguing. Do you really think we need to keep this up?
I did not think it would be over now but it's a beginning, if I could get myself a small group of people who agrees with me (which it seems I already have) we could together try to figure something out.
But I am sure that we need no more arguing, if we do we may just keep it at forever and I don't think anyone here even likes to agrue. I know I don't.
And charas has learned from the past, the community contest is an example of that. Charas isn't perfect and will never be but what we're at is just stupid.
If this charas cannot forget this, we are a pathetic community.
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Originally posted by Robotam
And charas has learned from the past, the community contest is an example of that. Charas isn't perfect and will never be but what we're at is just stupid.
If this charas cannot forget this, we are a pathetic community.
so true, but that's why I love it ^_-.
on a more serious note, I'm actually proud of this discussion here. *pats some members on the back* thankyou. Thankyou for acting like members, it means alot.
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When Raffles was banned, we opened up Pandora's box. We're fighting amongst ourselves, forcing everyone to take their side. And he keeps returning in different accounts.
But even in Pandora's box, there was a bit of hope. Those of us who take sides are blind to it, we will continue fighting the other side no matter what we say otherwise. But those of you who are enlightened can see it, and hopefully you'll use it to stop this thing one way or another.
It's up to the few children of Charas who can see the truth to save the entire board. Good luck.
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No. They're acting like adults. One step towards adult...ness...
Talking is good.
Originally posted by Trevlac
I agree with you Gary, but once again, I've been ignored. Not surprised. If charas ignored conflict as well as they ignored reason, we wouldn't be in this mess.
You mean the fact that it's still cold? (http://threesecondsmores.ytmnd.com/)
Everytime I fail to grow up.
NOW LAUGH BITCHES!!!
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Originally posted by Razor
Hey, what the **** am I being attacked for? My signature says what it says because I'm sick to **** of people continuously saying OHNOES!11 THE CHARAS ARE BEING ENDEDED!11one noting of course I had this up AFTER Raffles was banned and Before "Hector" existed.
Sorry, I wasn't attackiing you (at least not intentionaly), I think I misunderstood your signature.
As you can see we are already arguing. Do you really think we need to keep this up?
Yes, yes, I do. If we don't, we won't know what are we doing wrongly, therefore, we will never be better than now.
And charas has learned from the past, the community contest is an example of that. Charas isn't perfect and will never be but what we're at is just stupid.
I agree with that, that why I think we should listen what everyone has to say.
Plus, "pathetic"? We can run for the next elections!
it's still cold
...wtf?
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I believe this is already starting to come to an end here.
Everyone can say what they feel needs to be said, but I still think it's pretty obviously what we're doing wrong.
We just need to stop whine, at least that's what I think.
I may be naive for saying this but Raffles will give up and never come back soon, he might actually already have.
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
When Raffles was banned, we opened up Pandora's box. We're fighting amongst ourselves, forcing everyone to take their side. And he keeps returning in different accounts.
But even in Pandora's box, there was a bit of hope. Those of us who take sides are blind to it, we will continue fighting the other side no matter what we say otherwise. But those of you who are enlightened can see it, and hopefully you'll use it to stop this thing one way or another.
It's up to the few children of Charas who can see the truth to save the entire board. Good luck.
According to God Of War, your usage of Pandora's Box is wrong. Pandara's Box granted mortals the power to beat a god. So, it's wrong. Just felt like saying that.
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I strongly believe that everyone has just had a little too much caffene, and a few too many summer days off, and just sort of enjoy causing trouble for the heck of it. And everyone's got a theory, and everyone wants the good old days back, and everyone blames the moderators for not doing something, and no one really has any idea WHAT should be done, but they're pretty sure it's not being happening right now.
Here's some advice. Back in the "good old days" we started threads talking about the good old days too. Everyone always glorifies the past, becaue the problems of the past fade away and we remember the good times. Today isn't all that much worse than yesterday. Tomorrow won't be that much worse, and it probably won't be all that much better (though seeing all this crappy threads makes me wonder how it couldn't be better...). Point is, the past is gone and tomorrow's still over the horizion. You've got today and that's all you will ever have. You can enjoy it, or you can complain about it. I plan on enjoying it.
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True Sai. Why exactly are we looking at the past? What has passed is done. It may have been good, but why not look toward the future? What will you gain by trying to live in the past? Nothing. All we can control is our actions now to build a better future. This may sound a bit sappy, but it's true. Forget about the upsets of yesterday. Think about what the future may bring. Miniscule differences are wedging us apart. We need to except the differences in people and just enjoy what we have. Until we can do that, Charas will remain in the broken state it's in.
I pretty much just said what Sai said, but a little bit of reinforcing isn't bad.
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I was away for one day, and the next thing I see is this thread. I thought all of that was in the past. I hadn't seen any threads like this for a while. So what happened? Did some new member join and start causing havoc again?
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Originally posted by Rune_of_Punishment
True Sai. Why exactly are we looking at the past? What has passed is done. It may have been good, but why not look toward the future? What will you gain by trying to live in the past? Nothing. All we can control is our actions now to build a better future. This may sound a bit sappy, but it's true. Forget about the upsets of yesterday. Think about what the future may bring. Miniscule differences are wedging us apart. We need to except the differences in people and just enjoy what we have. Until we can do that, Charas will remain in the broken state it's in.
I pretty much just said what Sai said, but a little bit of reinforcing isn't bad.
I think looking to the future creates an even bigger problem. See, while looking at the past and trying to relive it, makes us dwell and never progress past our current problem, so too does looking at what you think should happen at some time ahead.
The only way to take care of a problem is to start now, now, now, NOW. The present. Everyone's minds are always on what has or they think is going to happen, who really thinks about where they are and what they are doing? Exjoy the *now* while it is here, and make some plans for the future, but don't be derailed if they don't succeed. Just keep dealing with the now.
Right *now* Charas needs a place to contain this enormous fire and a place to report member abuse.
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How does that saying go?
Take the rafter out of your own eye before removing the straw from another's.
I don't know, its in the Bible somewhere....
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Funny thing is, without all these threads complaining about the problem, half the members wouldn't even be aware of a problem :D
I'm with you, Robotam, as always.
Gary: Jeezus, It's STILL COLD???
I'm logging off now. See you fine peoples in the morning, I hope you'll have come up with something by then :)
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Originally posted by Drace
According to God Of War, your usage of Pandora's Box is wrong. Pandara's Box granted mortals the power to beat a god. So, it's wrong. Just felt like saying that.
No. Pandora's Box was an unnamed box filled with everything bad. It was given to Pandora as a wedding gift. She married one of the Titans, if I am correct. Either that or a giant. Anyway, after opening it, which she was prohibited to, all bad things, including death, escaped the box. In panic, she shut the box, but then she heard a faint voice. Inside the box was hope, and, after all bad things she's done, she also did something right, she released hope.
It is a metaphore for females being evil, according to the Greek. Damn you ****ing faggots!
And yes, most Greek people were gay.
So yeah, it's still cold (http://threesecondsmores.ytmnd.com/).
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Ah well. Still made a superb game though.
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Soooo... have we started getting better yet? Some of us are all over the place.
And Grandy: 's'alright. :vampire: