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Title: Grunge Music
Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 06:39:13 PM
Grunge is the ultimate type of music.

Some Grunge Bands:
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Sound Garden
Mud Honey
The Melvins
The Meat Puppets
Alice and Chains
Hole
The Lemonheads
STone Temple Pilots
Silver Chair
Filter
4 Non-Blondes
Greg du Nancy(a band I was in)
Paint(another band I was in)
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Post by: Drace on November 27, 2005, 06:46:41 PM
What music now?
I've heard of Pearl Jam and Nirvana, but they don't really catch my eye.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 06:52:52 PM
It's Grunge Music dude, it's like classic rock, but the lyrics are more meaningful, not about Girls Girls Girls (Motley Crue)
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Post by: MrMister on November 27, 2005, 06:56:45 PM
I like Pearl Jam, that's about it. A few Nirvana songs are okay.
I love the scene in Moulin Rouge when they sorta mix Lady Marmalade with Smells Like Teen Spirit. Done very well..
It isn't popular anymore.. hardcore is the new punk rock..
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 06:58:22 PM
Sadly, Your right. The whole Seattle underdogs of grunge team have been demolished. Pearl Jam tour some now but thats about it. New music just isn't the same.
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Post by: Master Yoda on November 27, 2005, 07:28:16 PM
love it :jumpin:
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Post by: kelpie on November 27, 2005, 07:51:53 PM
exactly what type..like rolling stones, pink floyd. give me a hint :blue-eye:
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 08:12:31 PM
It's like Led Zepplin, but an alternative style version.
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Post by: charaman on November 27, 2005, 08:24:51 PM
Its right below indutrial rock and desert rock as my favorite genre. I get a little tried of Pearl Jam sometimes, but Nirvana is amazing. Do you like Mark Lanegan?
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 27, 2005, 08:43:29 PM
I'M GOING TO THE ONE-AND-ONLY PEARL JAM CONCERT IN BRAZIL NEXT WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNDDD!!!!

Though I like Grunge, I hate Nirvana. The best, IMO, are: Pearl Jam, Stone Temple pilots, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden (that switched to hard rock in the end, but still rocked ***) and Silverchair's beggining (which was grunge, than turned to hard rock, then space rock, and now crazy genius stuff, that's still good...)
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Post by: MrMister on November 27, 2005, 08:47:37 PM
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Though I like Grunge, I hate Nirvana. The best, IMO, are: Pearl Jam, Stone Temple pilots, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden (that switched to hard rock in the end, but still rocked ***) and Silverchair's beggining (which was grunge, than turned to hard rock, then space rock, and now crazy genius stuff, that's still good...)

Yeah, me too, except I didn't like Soundgarden.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 08:50:26 PM
This is gonna make me sound pretenciese, but I pretty much like any band that was considerd grunge, and it is not like I like them because there grunge, It's just that everyone of them sound so friken awesome.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 27, 2005, 08:58:03 PM
Grunge died when Kurt died.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 27, 2005, 08:59:23 PM
How dare you compain grunge to the sound of Led Zeppelin? Punk metal... eww! Kurt Kobain "expressing" himself through his music is like a retard trying to express himself through poetry. But  then again, what's the difference? The only punk that I like is oldschool, hardcore punk, like The Casualties. The only grunge I wanna know about is in the category of photoshop.
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Post by: MrMister on November 27, 2005, 09:05:11 PM
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How dare you compain grunge to the sound of Led Zeppelin?

It was an ignorant statement, but Led Zeppelin blows.
Fo' reals. You suck if you like punk. Seriously, it died long ago.
The Casualties are the worst 'punk' band other than the Misfits. They all are just a bunch of whiney bitches listening to Blitzkreig Bop wishing they hadn't missed out on punk. Don't dig up a 20 year old corpse and try to revive it. Unless you know voodoo. Which I'm pretty sure you don't.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 27, 2005, 09:05:49 PM
Kurt Cobain Didn't own grunge. And who said anything about punk metal.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 28, 2005, 12:25:29 AM
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Grunge died when Kurt died.


World became good, when Cobain died.

 
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It was an ignorant statement, but Led Zeppelin blows.


Yeah, LZ definately blows...and so does ACDC. I hate ACDC.
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Post by: MrMister on November 28, 2005, 12:30:35 AM
I can listen to ACDC for about 14 seconds.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 28, 2005, 12:36:55 AM
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I can listen to ACDC for about 14 seconds.


Do you vomit too? Did you ever try doing an impression of the vocalist? I swear you´ll feel like a dying goat, screaming like Sylvia Saint...
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Post by: Kinslayer on November 28, 2005, 01:29:16 AM
It's violent, mean, it's unestetic, they shout like crazy...

Cant help to love Grunge!!!!!!!!!! Though I'm more into metal, I find the Grunge's constant noise really weird and interesting. I'm listening to Silverchair lately.
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Post by: charaman on November 28, 2005, 01:50:36 AM
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I can listen to ACDC for about 14 seconds.

How'd you get your stamina so high? I only last about 5 before passing out from sheer hate.
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Post by: MrMister on November 28, 2005, 02:07:37 AM
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How'd you get your stamina so high? I only last about 5 before passing out from sheer hate.

When you live two blocks away from a middle school, going to get the mail is classic rock endurance training.


Heh, "grunge music is the ultimate type of music".
Anyone can play jarring cords plugged into heavy distortion and make it sound like they know what they're doing.
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Post by: dinkler on November 28, 2005, 03:25:41 AM
i like indie rock(the killers and that stuff)...am i a loner
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 28, 2005, 03:41:23 AM
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How dare you compain grunge to the sound of Led Zeppelin? Punk metal... eww! Kurt Kobain "expressing" himself through his music is like a retard trying to express himself through poetry. But  then again, what's the difference? The only punk that I like is oldschool, hardcore punk, like The Casualties. The only grunge I wanna know about is in the category of photoshop.


And this is why I wish to hug you......

Sex Pistols is where it's at. Cobain od'd and blew off his own head. Wow, big hero.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 28, 2005, 05:37:46 AM
Ok, the sex pistols are OK, but if you want real punk, listen to Good Charlotte........lmfao jk lol. That was a total joke, but seriously listen to Iggy and  the Stooges, thats punk rock.  And cobain is pretty lame. Eddie veddar is a hero.
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Post by: Shady Ultima on November 28, 2005, 05:38:58 AM
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Grunge died when Kurt died.


True,

Kurt is my god, so obviously Nirvana is my favourite band of all time. Grunge is a great genre, but then... I like all music :P
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Post by: Drace on November 28, 2005, 05:58:22 AM
I don't like AC DC... does that count? But then again, I like Atreyu.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 28, 2005, 06:00:13 AM
What's up with everyone talking about ACDC there not grunge, and atreyu sucks.
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Post by: MrMister on November 28, 2005, 06:58:38 AM
Atreyu sucks..
People are talking about ACDC because the conversation locomotive has pulled out of the specificity station.
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Post by: Drace on November 28, 2005, 02:39:30 PM
Hey, everyone has his own taste. You guys have a taste from old to... older. And mine is from old to... new. Excepting R&B and Hip Hop, of course. That just plain sucks.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on November 28, 2005, 02:47:48 PM
Pop music all the way?
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 28, 2005, 04:22:47 PM
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Ok, the sex pistols are OK, but if you want real punk, listen to Good Charlotte........lmfao jk lol. That was a total joke, but seriously listen to Iggy and  the Stooges, thats punk rock.  And cobain is pretty lame. Eddie veddar is a hero.


My heart skipped a beat when I read the first part of that. I thought you were serious. I was so ready to bash the **** out of you... lol.

As for ACDC, they're not bad, it's just that they get kind of repetitive after awhile. I just hate people with these generic band shirts with bands like ACDC, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, and others, and can't name 1 song from the band.
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Post by: Drace on November 28, 2005, 04:51:13 PM
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Pop music all the way?


Nederpop XD
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Post by: charaman on November 28, 2005, 09:05:13 PM
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Pop music all the way?


If you mean good pop, like Fischerspooner.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 28, 2005, 10:20:17 PM
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Pop music all the way?


There´s a door over there...

Don´t get us started with hip hop for god sakes...
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Post by: carmen on November 29, 2005, 08:04:44 AM
hmmm...well kurt with a K. Was not an especially great musician. But a great song writer. He was super with melodies, the evidence still standing today.  And some of the music you guys caterglorized...lol...Stone temple pilots were 90's alternative. As was silver chair. Just becuase you hear a heavy guitar riff thats slow, doesn't make it grunge.

mer and VH and  is not classic rock. Classic rock is the stones, beatles, animals, moody blues, floyd, dylan...thats classic rock. Girls girls girls is like hair band....

Classic rock is more UK blues based. Sorry to bust your bubble.  
Rock'n'Roll was before that, which was a whited up version of rock'abilly which is a loose form of jumpy jazz scales.

I think the best form of rock, is all those types kinda based around eachother. But what do I KNOW!? I'm just a musician who's made this stuff her life...lol. feel free to f**k in the bushes.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 29, 2005, 06:49:20 PM
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hmmm...well kurt with a K. Was not an especially great musician. But a great song writer. He was super with melodies, the evidence still standing today.  And some of the music you guys caterglorized...lol...Stone temple pilots were 90's alternative. As was silver chair. Just becuase you hear a heavy guitar riff thats slow, doesn't make it grunge.

mer and VH and  is not classic rock. Classic rock is the stones, beatles, animals, moody blues, floyd, dylan...thats classic rock. Girls girls girls is like hair band....

Classic rock is more UK blues based. Sorry to bust your bubble.  
Rock'n'Roll was before that, which was a whited up version of rock'abilly which is a loose form of jumpy jazz scales.

I think the best form of rock, is all those types kinda based around eachother. But what do I KNOW!? I'm just a musician who's made this stuff her life...lol. feel free to f**k in the bushes.


Watch it...it´s Silverchair, one word and capital S! (j/k)
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on November 29, 2005, 07:02:24 PM
It depends. Some of Nirvana's stuff is awesome, some is boring. Same with any band really, I don't like any one in particular, there's always a few bad songs. Same, in fact, with music genres in general. I like all genres, because I can tell when a piece is good no matter what the genre. So yeah, some grunge is good. Some is bad.
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Post by: Drace on November 29, 2005, 08:28:46 PM
Well the oldest I like is 80's, and I love that. Iron Maiden, Artch, Vandenberg to name a few.
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Post by: TMlunder on November 29, 2005, 09:15:04 PM
lol, Nirvana has got to be one of the best bands alive. And yes although Kurt Cobain is dead there still selling albums. Has anyone heard of the CD from the muddy banks of wishkah? That cd didnt come out untill 1997 I think, but Kurt commited suscide in 1994. And yea so everyone knows some nirvana cds were grudge music.
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Post by: Drace on November 29, 2005, 10:19:13 PM
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lol, Nirvana has got to be one of the best bands alive. And yes although Kurt Cobain is dead there still selling albums. Has anyone heard of the CD from the muddy banks of wishkah? That cd didnt come out untill 1997 I think, but Kurt commited suscide in 1994. And yea so everyone knows some nirvana cds were grudge music.

Maybe they still make music as they went on as a band? Eh? Eh?
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Post by: Archem on November 29, 2005, 10:44:07 PM
I like all music that can fall under "rock" of some kind, I just like certain ones more than others. Grunge is kinda... grungy. For the most part. And I don't mean that in a good way. Most of it seems to lack a melody. But there is some good stuff. And no, AC/DC and Led Zeppelin don't suck. Although the lead singer for AC/DC DOES have a creepy voice, it still works out alright. I'm a little conflicted with how you all seem to have reacted. So I'll leave it with this: SOFT ROCK IS NOT ROCK!!! IT'S ****ing UGLY AND DISGRACEFUL TO ADD "ROCK" AT THE END!!! I know nobody said anything about soft rock, but that needs to be said whenever "rock" comes up. Sorry to have rocked the forum.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 29, 2005, 11:20:57 PM
AC/DC is great, if not for the fact that EVERY song has some sexual innuendo in it.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 30, 2005, 12:56:03 AM
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AC/DC is great, if not for the fact that EVERY song has some sexual innuendo in it.


I´m gonna puke on yer head...
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 30, 2005, 01:00:20 AM
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AC/DC is great, if not for the fact that EVERY song has some sexual innuendo in it.


I´m gonna puke on yer head...


How is that not awesome? Given the dog a bone, Big Balls, Dirty Deeds, all have some sexual innuendo somewhere in there.

EDIT: Alice in Chains isn't grunge.....
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Post by: charaman on November 30, 2005, 01:26:32 AM
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How is that not awesome? Given the dog a bone, Big Balls, Dirty Deeds, all have some sexual innuendo somewhere in there.



Sexual innudendo is not art, and the fact that you enjoy that stain upon music merely for their suggestive lyrics makes me doubt your judgement. Its not art (what music should be), its music made for mindless masochist drones.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on November 30, 2005, 01:28:29 AM
Personally, I don't even prefer lyrics at all.
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Post by: MrMister on November 30, 2005, 01:28:31 AM
Well, sexual innuendo is great.

Carmen is still the only intelligent poster ever.

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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 30, 2005, 01:23:09 PM
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lol, Nirvana has got to be one of the best bands alive. And yes although Kurt Cobain is dead there still selling albums. Has anyone heard of the CD from the muddy banks of wishkah? That cd didnt come out untill 1997 I think, but Kurt commited suscide in 1994. And yea so everyone knows some nirvana cds were grudge music.


All of Nirvana's music was GRUNGE not Grudge. Not just some of it.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on November 30, 2005, 01:28:37 PM
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lol, Nirvana has got to be one of the best bands alive. And yes although Kurt Cobain is dead there still selling albums. Has anyone heard of the CD from the muddy banks of wishkah? That cd didnt come out untill 1997 I think, but Kurt commited suscide in 1994. And yea so everyone knows some nirvana cds were grudge music.

Maybe they still make music as they went on as a band? Eh? Eh?



NO, they quit as a band in 94 because courtney love boought the rights to the songs.  The other members don't get money from the songs now.



And ZEro Kirby, Alice and Chains is Grunge. ONe of the most if not the most.

Every band I listed is grunge.

And Archem, Grunge is the most melodic music there is.


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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 30, 2005, 03:46:03 PM
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Well, sexual innuendo is great.

Carmen is still the only intelligent poster ever.

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You say that cause you´re both really mean when posting...You´re mean, you too.
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Post by: Drace on November 30, 2005, 04:41:41 PM
Isn't Alice in Chains like, metal. Or am I thinking of a different band?
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 30, 2005, 05:36:30 PM
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Isn't Alice in Chains like, metal. Or am I thinking of a different band?


You´re thinking of a different band...AIC's grunge, good grunge...
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Post by: carmen on December 01, 2005, 06:30:48 AM
Alice in chains signed to Columbia in 1989 and were to be promoted as a heavy metal band. Alice In Chains first release was 1990's We Die Young EP, and the title song became a hit on metal radio.

Alice in Chains were promoted as an alternative group due to the Seattle grunge scene's commercial rise. The hit song "Would?", from the movie Singles, preceded their next album, 1992's Dirt.

They were not grunge. More metal with grunge elements, thus the alternative label.
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Post by: Drace on December 01, 2005, 12:44:55 PM
So I was right.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on December 01, 2005, 12:59:02 PM
Grunge is a 3rd wave style, the bands can fit into more than one genre.
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Post by: Shady Ultima on December 01, 2005, 05:27:47 PM
Now here's something I have a problem with. Why do we have to put every band into nice little categories? Really, any band that lasts the test of time, do not sound the same. Sure the music industry loves to put out clone bands, Simple Plan and Good Charlotte being perfect examples. But in 20 years, are people gonna remember them like people will remember, say, Metallica? or Slayer, or Maiden, or, hell I could go on and on. Anyways, you listen to Alice in Chains and Nirvana, they sound different, Alice in Chains is much more metal based, Nirvana much more pop influenced. And why is everyone gangin up on AC/DC? Sure their singer sounds different, but why do you think they're one of the most well known bands in the world? Their music isn't anything to play, hell, most of their bass lines revolve around 1 note...

As a musician, I listen to every form of music, with only one exception, and that is techno. I have a problem with techno because it allows people who do not even play an instrument to sit at their computer and make up a song. That bothers me, because it ruins the years of work I've put into playing various instruments.

All music has it's good points and it's bad points. I can't say that I hate any band, because everyone who's up there must have at least one song that's good, and being very open minded, I'll listen to anything. Yes, that means I listen to rap people, and R&B and whatever else you wanna throw at me. Country, Jazz, Classical, whatever, I listen to it.

Another point I love to make, is that some of the greatest musicians in rock and roll history, weren't even that talented. Of course, Kurt Cobain is one of the first to come to mind, but what of John Lennon, he was just like Cobain, in fact, Cobain idolized Lennon. Lennon was not that great of a guitarist, nor a great singer, but he knew how to write songs, and along with McCartney, they were one of, if not THE best song writing team in rock history
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Post by: Almeidaboo on December 01, 2005, 05:29:31 PM
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Alice in chains signed to Columbia in 1989 and were to be promoted as a heavy metal band. Alice In Chains first release was 1990's We Die Young EP, and the title song became a hit on metal radio.

Alice in Chains were promoted as an alternative group due to the Seattle grunge scene's commercial rise. The hit song "Would?", from the movie Singles, preceded their next album, 1992's Dirt.

They were not grunge. More metal with grunge elements, thus the alternative label.

 :hi: You´re right...

For music, check  (http://www.allmusic.com)

EDIT: And I belive Hole ain´t no grunge too...

Actually, Grunge wasn´t so much a music style, but more of a be/clothing style...
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Post by: charaman on December 01, 2005, 08:22:25 PM
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As a musician, I listen to every form of music, with only one exception, and that is techno. I have a problem with techno because it allows people who do not even play an instrument to sit at their computer and make up a song. That bothers me, because it ruins the years of work I've put into playing various instruments.


To tell you the truth, I used to agree wholeheartedly with that statement. Now I'm quite the opposite. I write, perform (synthesizer and some guitar), and produce music influenced by electronic artists. It does require more talent than you would think to write. Electronic music, when properly conceived, is extremely intricate. Music completely analog in recording and production is fairly rare today, and while it detracts somewhat from the realism of the music, electronic means allow an artist to more fully bring across a point through music.
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Post by: Drace on December 01, 2005, 08:55:50 PM
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As a musician, I listen to every form of music, with only one exception, and that is techno. I have a problem with techno because it allows people who do not even play an instrument to sit at their computer and make up a song. That bothers me, because it ruins the years of work I've put into playing various instruments.


To tell you the truth, I used to agree wholeheartedly with that statement. Now I'm quite the opposite. I write, perform (synthesizer and some guitar), and produce music influenced by electronic artists. It does require more talent than you would think to write. Electronic music, when properly conceived, is extremely intricate. Music completely analog in recording and production is fairly rare today, and while it detracts somewhat from the realism of the music, electronic means allow an artist to more fully bring across a point through music.


Yeah. There are good Techno songs which can sound nice on other instruments. Like the FFVII Boss Battle Theme on the guitar.
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Post by: charaman on December 01, 2005, 09:01:32 PM
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As a musician, I listen to every form of music, with only one exception, and that is techno. I have a problem with techno because it allows people who do not even play an instrument to sit at their computer and make up a song. That bothers me, because it ruins the years of work I've put into playing various instruments.


To tell you the truth, I used to agree wholeheartedly with that statement. Now I'm quite the opposite. I write, perform (synthesizer and some guitar), and produce music influenced by electronic artists. It does require more talent than you would think to write. Electronic music, when properly conceived, is extremely intricate. Music completely analog in recording and production is fairly rare today, and while it detracts somewhat from the realism of the music, electronic means allow an artist to more fully bring across a point through music.


Yeah. There are good Techno songs which can sound nice on other instruments. Like the FFVII Boss Battle Theme on the guitar.


not exactly my point... but ok.
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Post by: carmen on December 02, 2005, 08:45:17 AM
Lennon=my hero.  ^__________^
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Post by: Ben on December 02, 2005, 09:41:05 AM
holy crap...this thread makes me feel old.....Grung isnt Classic rock....its dumbed down, depressed metal from the ninties, with some greasy dude mumbling the word "Schelm" over and over
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Post by: carmen on December 02, 2005, 10:45:47 AM
who said it was classic rock? if you read my post alil ways back you'd see what I said classic rock was o.o
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Post by: Drace on December 02, 2005, 01:31:07 PM
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As a musician, I listen to every form of music, with only one exception, and that is techno. I have a problem with techno because it allows people who do not even play an instrument to sit at their computer and make up a song. That bothers me, because it ruins the years of work I've put into playing various instruments.


To tell you the truth, I used to agree wholeheartedly with that statement. Now I'm quite the opposite. I write, perform (synthesizer and some guitar), and produce music influenced by electronic artists. It does require more talent than you would think to write. Electronic music, when properly conceived, is extremely intricate. Music completely analog in recording and production is fairly rare today, and while it detracts somewhat from the realism of the music, electronic means allow an artist to more fully bring across a point through music.


Yeah. There are good Techno songs which can sound nice on other instruments. Like the FFVII Boss Battle Theme on the guitar.


not exactly my point... but ok.


Hmmm... missed your point than...
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Post by: GaryCXJk on December 02, 2005, 02:15:49 PM
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Nederpop XD
BLOF ALL THE WAY!
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Post by: Drace on December 02, 2005, 06:27:25 PM
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Nederpop XD
BLOF ALL THE WAY!


XD
Frans Bauer!!! XD XD XD XD XD
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on December 02, 2005, 11:37:17 PM
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Lennon=my hero.  ^__________^


Seriously, Lennon is a God in my eyes. I am Lennon reincarnated. Ha Ha CooCooCaCho.
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Post by: Seth Mitchell on December 03, 2005, 05:06:38 AM
You know what the coolest thing about this thread is, it's that at the top the advirtisments are for grunge related products. That's like an oxymoron, Grunge Products. So Anti-Establishment, Really stickin it to the man there by marketing there goods. Damn Corprot holds.