Post by: Trevlac on November 29, 2005, 03:28:47 AM
I certainly do.
You ever make a mistake, tell your parents, and have a plan to fix it? They don't care do they? It's all about chewing you out for making the mistake. You have to sit there and listen to them babble about what you should have done. It can't be changed you idiots! We screwed up and now we can fix it! But that's not good enough for them. You're already being punished BY your mistake so now they're punishing you FOR your mistake. Redundant to the very core. Unecessary. Totally counterproductive.
Mistakes are an integral part of the learning system of life. You screw up, you fix it if you can, you move on and try not to do it again. Parents are stupid: You screw up, you get yelled at, then punished (grounded, spanked, etc.), then you have to apologize to whomever (if the situation calls for it), THEN you can fix it. And you better damn well fix it on your own! Don't help you kids fix it, oh NO, don't even offer advice. They make no sense. It's like parents are either Drill Instructor constnantly yelling at you and telling you you're doing stuff wrong, or helicopters hovering over you and making sure you do everything right. For pie's sake, leave us alone! If they would try teaching us proper skills in a less annoying way, like being a consultant, maybe kids would turn out better. They might not want to turn to drugs or run away, or live in prostitution. Granted that last sentence is taking this a bit too far, the point remains the same: parents piss me off.
Any rebuttals?
Post by: Shady Ultima on November 29, 2005, 03:41:05 AM
Drug use is not always due to parental problems, and blaming things like that on parents is going to far. Yes, many parents punish you for mistakes, when it would be a better learning experience for them to show what was wrong with it, in a more mature fashion. Of course, it varies depending on age as well. You can't deal with a 5 yr old the same as a 15 yr old, but parents tend to forget this fact.
Post by: DragonBlaze on November 29, 2005, 03:48:45 AM
I usually don't tell my parents anything anymore because of that, but if the occasion arises, I know my parents well enough to manipulate them into basically doing whatever I want. Don't get me wrong, I don't take advantage of them, I've just rid myself of most of the stupid restrictions that they've set on me. Bad part is that some of my plans take months of setting up.
Example, during the summer, I barely went out. My parents wanted me to go out and do things, and they even forced me to have people over for a bon fire. Well now I go out with my friends almost every day, but now my parents can't say a thing to me about staying home because they pushed so hard into making me go out and do things.
Another thing, my parents don't like it when I drive out to town or do anything without telling them, they even tried yelling at me for stopping by the gas station after school. However, they won't let me get a cell phone, so I just say I couldn't let them no because I had no way to tell them, then they said I should use a pay phone, but then I said I didn't have any change. However much they would like, they can't really do anything to me because its their fault that I couldn't contact them. I use this excuse any time I plan to stay later somewhere or anything like that.
Most of the time tricking your parents into thinking they've won is best choice ;)
Post by: Black Massacre on November 29, 2005, 03:53:08 AM
Post by: Osmose on November 29, 2005, 04:05:53 AM
And whatever you may think, your parents do not suck. Just ask David Pelzer (http://www.metroactive.com/sonoma/pelzer95.html).
Post by: DragonBlaze on November 29, 2005, 04:21:59 AM
Its just that they make stupid dicisions. Parents aren't all knowing, and they make mistakes. They often make arrogent choices and sometimes try to take advantage of their children because they can. Though a lot of times they say its for our good, half the time it really isn't.
Example, in the summer my parents make me mow lawn. I understand that it needs to be done, but they tell me to do it 9 in the morning when the grass is wet and it will plug up the lawn mower. I tell them this but it dosen't make a differance. So I'm outside for 5 hours mowing, and the few times I've come in for water or to go to the bathroom, my dad is sitting on the couch watching TV.
What this tells me, my dad is arrogent and since I'm not an adult, his opinion is always right over mine. And it would be nice if he helped once in a while, or did some sort of work around the house. Something like that isn't meant for our good, its to use us as workers so they don't have to do anything.
Another time I got really pissed off when my parents took advantage of me. We had a basment, it was buring in a foot of dirt because every time it rains mud is brought in through the walls (we have a very old house). On top of that we had piles and piles of junk down there. They said if we (my brother and I) cleaned out the basment, we could do stuff down there like set up some fish tanks, hook up a tv and playstation, put some old furniture down there. So we spent over a month cleaning it up, installing a sub-pump to take care of the mud, painted the walls, and everything. Then once we were all done, my dad said we couldnt' do anything down there because there may be a harmful gas in our basement, which was just a load of B S. Our basement vents through the whole house, so if there was a gas down there, it would be in the rest of the house as well. He just used us to clean out the basement which he has neglected to do since he bought the house 20 years ago. Of course the gas wasn't an issue when we spent hours down there a day cleaning it.
So yeah, my trust in my parents disisions have been shaken, for good reasons.
Post by: WarxePB on November 29, 2005, 04:25:41 AM
Post by: Snake Eater on November 29, 2005, 04:56:54 AM
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on November 29, 2005, 06:19:42 AM
Yep, I get punished for being punished.
Post by: MrMister on November 29, 2005, 06:37:17 AM
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Originally posted by Snake Eater
I think I'm good with my parents. They're nice and understanding, not strict at all, and my mom bought me a Xbox 360 + games + Xbox Live for my Birthday/ Christmas. :D
You suck! That's like a lot of money! That's like two thirds of a pay check! You are gonna die in the real world! You rich pussy! You little retard! You spoiled little ass burgler! You burgle so much ass! Go die right now! You stupid little spoiled bitch!
There's a difference between not strict and spoiled.
And if they aren't strict, when you leave home you are going to suck.
Post by: Drighton on November 29, 2005, 02:16:38 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
"Quit bitchin, you got it good."
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
"Grow up."
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Originally posted by MrMister
"Your spoiled. Die."
I'm gonna go with the general consensus here. Have a nice day.
Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on November 29, 2005, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: Ace of Spades on November 29, 2005, 08:02:01 PM
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Originally posted by AsakuraHao2004
Yeah. I stayed out all weekend the other day and my mom called like all my friends trying to find out where I was. It was crazy.
Maybe because she cares about you?
Post by: Drace on November 29, 2005, 08:32:17 PM
Oh, and Snake. I don't have many problems with my mum (screw dads, who needs them). And if I do, it's because I forgot to walk those damned dogs! Damn you woman! I like cats! Not dogs!!!
Post by: charaman on November 29, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
I will not say that you're overreacting, Trev, because you're probably not. But have you tried sitting down with your parents and telling them "Listen, I'm old enough to figure out my own mistakes, I don't need you to punish me"? You likely have, and it didn't work, right? Well, then just stop getting into trouble. You're old enough to realize when something could be dangerous, and you should have developed a decent common sense, so put it to use once in a while!
With that logic, no grown person should ever make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, some parents just need to get a better perspective on a situation.
Post by: Dashman on November 29, 2005, 09:40:44 PM
my mom does not care
My dad hits his head with his hand making horrible noises and give me a 10 minutes explanation on anything.
I have MANY other problems with them, like my dad that tries to spy me and my brother the whole day. When he's at work, he call us by phone like once each 30 minutes. If he's at home, he enters in my room every hours or so, or calls me for any reason he have, especifically:
he is on his bed and wants me to turn off his light
he wants to see a DVD
He calls me to tell me a joke he got on his e-mail
He forget why hge called me
He wants to discuss something about school
He wants to annoy me
He wants to know if I'm studying or doing homework
some more...
Sometimes, they drive me crazy(specially my dad), but I can't do anything. Yep, I talked with him and got out of his room 1/2 an hour later, so I'm not trying it again. I'll just live with it. After all, without them I would not be here, right?
Post by: Archem on November 29, 2005, 10:27:39 PM
Post by: Snake Eater on November 30, 2005, 12:13:46 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
quote: Originally posted by Snake Eater
I think I'm good with my parents. They're nice and understanding, not strict at all, and my mom bought me a Xbox 360 + games + Xbox Live for my Birthday/ Christmas. :D
You suck! That's like a lot of money! That's like two thirds of a pay check! You are gonna die in the real world! You rich *****! You little retard! You spoiled little ass burgler! You burgle so much ass! Go die right now! You stupid little spoiled *****!
There's a difference between not strict and spoiled.
And if they aren't strict, when you leave home you are going to suck.
But, you see, I'm not really spoiled. My mom never buys me anything, except when Christmas and my birthday comes around.
Post by: MrMister on November 30, 2005, 12:23:59 AM
That was like a long time ago though..
For my birthday I got a helmet.
Post by: TMlunder on November 30, 2005, 12:58:05 AM
Post by: Arcanagirl on November 30, 2005, 03:38:11 AM
Sometimes it is worry or fear of losing their children, but other times they just enjoy the yelling.
I have bad news for everyone who ever thought if you move out when your 18 + you wont have to deal with it anymore.
Wrong. I still deal with my mother, but I get to say things to her that would normally bust kids and get away with it. The bad news is when you get married.
The in-laws!
Now you get 2 mothers and 2 fathers or 2 of something.
I have 2 moms now... 0 dads
Ok I thought my mom was bad, I love and miss my mom. My hubbies mom has issues. She tried controlling the wedding, the way I should raise my kid before it is even born. She made a joke one day when she came in saying...Hows MY BABY, ITS MY BABY IN THERE. I am freaked out. Love your parents even if they are bad to you, cause you never know when you get worse. :yell:
Oh man, I need a mother in law spray to keep her away, she is scary and...I dont know, the only people who dont see it is her only sons Ben and Greg. Ben my hubby, greg my brother in law who is married to Lisha. Even Lisha deals with it.
The lady makes everyone throw away things or burn them. She burned my moms presents to me that I wore. Said their evil. She burns all of my sister in laws stuff. Feel lucky your mom isnt psycho and burns your favorite stuff.
She wants to burn my movies and games that are not right for me to watch or play. Oh I hide all my favorite stuff. you cant let this women see anything you own that you love, cause some of it may be evil to her.
Oooo, I fear talking about her, I think she is going to be online following, or tapping my phone calls.
I hate talking bad about parents... My mom was considered the worst mother alive in my book. Now she looks more like heaven, while I live nexy door to my worst nightmare.
parents have issues and have bad ways of punishing you when you been punished enough and may not understand you, but try to understand, some parents are so crazy even the worst parents seem like angels of happiness....
Hope you enjoyed my rant and rave on the subjects of parents and THE IN LAWS. Cause this is all fact, and I told my hubby a few times, if she wont leave me alone, I take my happy self back to California where I came from to get away from her.
Scary lady..... *hides*
Post by: DragonBlaze on November 30, 2005, 05:22:16 AM
We were in town taking her brother to a karate lesson. Afterward we were heading to the library just because there was no where else to go. All of the sudden her mom calls her cell and says "You're cat got crushed in the garage door". She was practically crying at this point, for good reason. She asked if her mom could take the cat to the vet, her mom wouldn't, then she asked if she could come home, her mom wouldn't let her. Then her mom continued and started blaming the cat being crushed on her because she fed them in the garage. Normally parents should support their children, or at least comfort them.
Luckily though the cat was fine :)
Post by: Drace on November 30, 2005, 04:44:31 PM
*Note: Spoof on Al Bundy's favourite show, Phyco Dad!
Post by: Almeidaboo on November 30, 2005, 05:34:19 PM
You´ll understand someday...maybe. The best of luck you ya!
Post by: Revolution911 on December 01, 2005, 01:55:19 AM
Post by: charaman on December 01, 2005, 02:05:50 AM
Its a vicious cycle.
Post by: Revolution911 on December 01, 2005, 02:12:48 AM
Post by: charaman on December 01, 2005, 02:15:58 AM
Post by: Almeidaboo on December 01, 2005, 03:10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Revolution911
When beating your kids makes you feel high and mighty...something is wrong >>
People that do that aren´t parents, cause to be a parent you have to be human first, therefore, these people aren´t parents cause they aren´t human.
Post by: Drighton on December 01, 2005, 05:28:08 PM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
quote: Originally posted by Revolution911
When beating your kids makes you feel high and mighty...something is wrong >>
People that do that aren´t parents, cause to be a parent you have to be human first, therefore, these people aren´t parents cause they aren´t human.
Yes, but lets stay on topic people. This isn't about bad people/parents who physically abuse or neglect their children. This is about complaining how unfair your nonabusive, cherishing parents are when they discipline you for your stupid behavior, seeing as you by no means reflect their skills as a parent in raising an upstanding citizen and overall healthy individual.
I used to complain, just like this, but I now know better. If I only knew then what my parents were doing for me. You mature a little when you realize this. And, no, it doesn't happen suddenly, just because your X years old, but it takes a proper attitude, and mindset, plus a little meditation on the past to gain such appreciation for the people who have birthed you, fed you, payed for all your ****, put up with all your ****, and simply tried to raise you with a better life than they had a child.
I know this doesn't apply to everyone's parents, but there is definately a difference between an alcoholic or drug addicted parent beating their child because s/he wanted some bread to go with their water soup, and a parent yelling at you and sending you to your room.
Did I just rant? I think I did. I think this topic has derailed a bit.
Post by: Razor on December 01, 2005, 10:12:48 PM
Post by: DarkFlood2 on December 18, 2005, 10:15:25 PM
Post by: MrMister on December 18, 2005, 10:21:50 PM
I never got in a lot of trouble with any of my other parents, they weren't that bad, I was the source of any dysfunction. :/
Post by: Fortet on December 18, 2005, 11:12:51 PM
You do someting bad.
They punish you.
You start to do it again, but then remember how bad punishment was.
Good idea, no?
I have no problem with my parents. I appreciate what they do for me. I may be mad when I'm in trouble, but I appreciate what they did later. See what I'm going at here?
Post by: Drace on December 19, 2005, 06:10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Fortet
Parents are not there to ruin everything. They are there for protection! Without them, we would screw up almost everything we do and be in deep crap. When you do something wrong, of course they punish you! It's a good way to make sure you don't make that same mistake. Think about it:
You do someting bad.
They punish you.
You start to do it again, but then remember how bad punishment was.
Good idea, no?
I have no problem with my parents. I appreciate what they do for me. I may be mad when I'm in trouble, but I appreciate what they did later. See what I'm going at here?
Without them, we would end up like the people in those 'rebel' movies from the mid-80s to early-90s.
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2005, 06:25:19 AM
You have it Good....
Ive Been
A)A Child
B)A parent
C)Homeless
and having seens all 3 of these points of view,
your a dumb teenager, that thinks they have it all figured out....
In 5 years, youre going to wish your parents were still around to punish you for innane mistakes...
heh.....but, thats half the fun of it.....looking back and realizing how stupid you were...
You seem like a relatively smart kid....but you lack severe amounts of life experience......and seem to be in denial over this.
If you were my kid, Id have made you punish yourself. Perhaps that sounds stupid....but then again, if you were my kid, I would be wondering why my son acts so spoiled. meh.....
Post by: Darkfox on December 19, 2005, 06:30:43 AM
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I got hit by this one foster dad, but only when I did stupid stuff. He always did it because he was concerned about me, not because he was mad at me. The only time he actually hurt me was when I rode by bike through the bay window. He beat the crap out of me for that
I never got in a lot of trouble with any of my other parents, they weren't that bad, I was the source of any dysfunction. :/
You've got a lot of guts, in a good way, that you admit that you were the cause of problems, many would just blame it on their parents for not being there or whatever. I guess I can say the same about myself, my family isn't exactly the richest, dad being a mechanic/technician and mom working at the store. Often problems come from me, I've got disfuctions in the brain, the same thing that makes me so randomly creative is also what makes me lose touch with things and aggrivatable.
Post by: MrMister on December 19, 2005, 08:37:34 PM
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2005, 09:28:41 PM
*looks back on the RP, and any encounters*
You got the crazies too huh? I got em when I turned 19....well...I was 'diagnosed' anyhow.....that kind of crap can put things in perspective.....
I got hit a few times when I was a Kid....But untill about 50 years ago, that was considered good parenting.....
Kids are sooo frekin spoiled these days...
Xbox360....BAH! Itll be gone when he takes up his crystal meth addiction. That seems to almost inevetably hit the rich kids....Strangely enough....its the cheapest drug around.
Kids. BAAAH!
Post by: shinotebasiiackh on December 19, 2005, 09:35:36 PM
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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks
My parents punish me for getting a detention at school.
Yep, I get punished for being punished.
Hahahah!
Post by: Drighton on December 19, 2005, 10:15:10 PM
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Originally posted by gemini
your a dumb teenager, that thinks they have it all figured out....
.....looking back and realizing how stupid you were...
lol. I like you. :bend:
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on December 19, 2005, 11:47:09 PM
Post by: Fortet on December 20, 2005, 01:31:37 AM
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Originally posted by gemini
Heh......
You have it Good....
Ive Been
A)A Child
B)A parent
C)Homeless
and having seens all 3 of these points of view,
your a dumb teenager, that thinks they have it all figured out....
In 5 years, youre going to wish your parents were still around to punish you for innane mistakes...
heh.....but, thats half the fun of it.....looking back and realizing how stupid you were...
You seem like a relatively smart kid....but you lack severe amounts of life experience......and seem to be in denial over this.
If you were my kid, Id have made you punish yourself. Perhaps that sounds stupid....but then again, if you were my kid, I would be wondering why my son acts so spoiled. meh.....
Eep. All 3, eh? That must kinda' suck...
And I like the idea of making your kids punish themselves. Maybe when I become a parent, I could try that. Sad part being that it's not too far away if you think of how fast life goes.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on December 20, 2005, 03:52:35 AM