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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Shady Ultima on January 10, 2006, 04:19:38 PM

Title: Sad news for musicians
Post by: Shady Ultima on January 10, 2006, 04:19:38 PM
As of January 1st 2006, online Tablature sites are illegal. All tabs must be bought in the official tab books. If you don't believe me, check Mxtabs.net which isn't up any more.

The reason for this is that the companies who make tab books feel that they are being ripped off, as they assume all online tabs are stolen from their books. Personally, I believe that this is not a good idea, because most people don't want to shell out $35 bucks (CAN) for a book of music. There are a few renegade sites still up, but I expect them to be gone soon.

So fellow musicians, comments?
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Post by: Red XIII on January 10, 2006, 04:45:50 PM
This things makes me mad. Companies are real tirants when it comes to music.

Tabs aren´t ALWAYS stolen from their books, (I´m not saying it doesn´t happen), there are people who just know them from listening to a song. (Played by ear, ask my bro Kinslayer about it...)

They can chase you from downloading an "illegal" tab, but if you go to a friend´s house and copy/scan it or something you are free. They won´t make more money from that, all they´ll do is bother people who want to be able to play their favourite songs.
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Post by: Drighton on January 10, 2006, 07:00:32 PM
I don't use tabs, since I don't play guitar. But simply losing the websites shouldn't be that big of a deal. Simple forums, like this one, can suffice in the creation and distribution of the creations.

All this means is that you can no longer run to a site and browse through it's collection of tabs to find what you want. Instead, you will have to search for someone or someones that have figured it out.

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Post by: charaman on January 10, 2006, 07:39:48 PM
http://ultimate-guitar.com

not going down: russian hosted and they pay royalties.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on January 10, 2006, 08:17:09 PM
Well, thankgod for the russians!

I'm new to gutiar, so I've used tabs, I don't think it's right that companies go and get the govt. to outlaw onlines tabs. It's not just THEIR songs ppl make tabs for. Some ppl make tabs of their own songs.

Slowly stripping down the Rights of Free people and soon we will all fall victim to corrupted politcs and jack-*** monopoly... :(
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Post by: Drace on January 10, 2006, 08:25:39 PM
AZChords (http://www.azchords.com) and 911Tabs (http://www.911tabs.com) are not down. Awesome sites.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on January 10, 2006, 10:28:31 PM
as well as metaltabs.com
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Post by: MrMister on January 10, 2006, 11:26:30 PM
The government had no hand in this.
The MPA banned tabs on the net.
I've just been using ultimate-guitar, because they have power tabs on there.
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Post by: Linkizcool on January 10, 2006, 11:59:11 PM
Thats BS. Most tabs are tabbed by ear. They should know cuz most tabs sound nothing or look nothing like the ones in their books.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on January 11, 2006, 01:13:58 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
The government had no hand in this.
The MPA banned tabs on the net.
I've just been using ultimate-guitar, because they have power tabs on there.


...because they STOLE them from PTA. The entire Power Tab Archive, including the user compositions.
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Post by: MrMister on January 11, 2006, 01:16:42 AM
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Originally posted by AsakuraHao2004
...because they STOLE them from PTA. The entire Power Tab Archive, including the user compositions.
Yes, I know that. But with powertabs.net down, who ****ing cares?
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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on January 11, 2006, 07:48:14 PM
tabs?
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Post by: barnsalot on January 11, 2006, 09:03:39 PM
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Originally posted by shinotebasiiackh
tabs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_tabs
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Post by: shinotebasiiackh on January 11, 2006, 09:08:31 PM
That's ****ing stupid.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on January 12, 2006, 08:28:35 AM
On one side, it's retarded. On the other side, real musicians don't need tabs from songs which are not theirs.
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Post by: Drace on January 12, 2006, 01:39:45 PM
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
On one side, it's retarded. On the other side, real musicians don't need tabs from songs which are not theirs.


"Real" musicians need practise. And wouldn't you like to practise with a song you like? 'Nuff said.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on January 12, 2006, 02:33:03 PM
Yes, BUT I did get most tabs by just trying out myself. Almost published them on the internet because they were shiat, but so are most on the internet.

Anyway, like I said, it's retarded.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on January 12, 2006, 02:51:25 PM
"real" musicians? That sounds kinda one sided right there, if you ask me. I don't see why people think that because they can read sheet music, they're suddenly better than people that use Tabs. It's a preference, you choose one and get on with it. Doesn't make you better or worse.

EDIT: And if using sheet music is better, why isn't it banned from the internet as well? I'm actually not sure if it is, but if it isn't, than wtf?
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Post by: Z-Man on January 12, 2006, 04:57:49 PM
Sheet music (whish really isn't on sheets on the net (hence the term 'standard notation')) can be copywrighted, and is therefore already not allowed to be distributed on the net like a tab.  The problem is tabs can't be copywrighten (sp?).

As for the 'real musicians use standard notation' notion, it has arguments for both sides.  Certainly the ability to read it does indicate a slightly higher comitment on the musician's part as far as music theory, it has little to no bearing on a musician's actual skill with the instrument however.  I don't even know what the note on the bass cleff are off the top of my head.

Since there are by far more cover bands out there than original bands, the loss of internet tabs would really, really be a problem.  Especially considering cover bands actually promote the band it's covering.  I know more than a couple punk kids (no offense, just kids who listen to punk) who started listening to (and would eventually buy) Megadeth because they saw us playing Peace Sells.  My then guitarist even started listening to BOC when we decided to do a heavy cover of Godzilla.

EDIT:  I just read the link to the definition of tabs, and realized the second paragraph is just kind of a reiteration of that.  Oops.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on January 13, 2006, 08:16:52 AM
I'm not saying that the ability of reading sheet music makes you a real musicians, but the ability to create something yourself without it sounding shetty does make you one.
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Post by: charaman on January 13, 2006, 09:06:23 PM
tab is not a full form of notation, as there is no directly laid-out and straightforward method regarding rhythm. Whether or not someone plays using this technique does not dictate whether or not that person is a true musician. Even people who read proper notation can not always be considered musicians just by this standard. Musicanship can only be measured by an understanding of both technique and at least some theoretical knowledge. An imitator is not a musician, but someone who can at least on some level translate from the page to the ear by a technique other than rote is a musician in my book.