Post by: Seth Mitchell on February 10, 2006, 03:13:19 AM
Post by: Shady Ultima on February 10, 2006, 03:32:19 AM
Heil Harper... *rolls eyes... *** nazi*
Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on February 10, 2006, 03:39:40 AM
Post by: Linkizcool on February 10, 2006, 04:00:38 AM
Being Canadian,all I say is "don't get corrupt, eh!"
(yes, we Canadians actually do say Eh; not just some random stereotype.)
Post by: blackskullwarlock on February 10, 2006, 04:03:17 AM
Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on February 10, 2006, 04:24:55 AM
Post by: MrMister on February 10, 2006, 07:00:21 AM
Although they are practically communists, they're the best we've got.
Linkiscool: watch TV or travel. Everyone says 'eh'.
Post by: Drace on February 10, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: WarxePB on February 10, 2006, 03:21:26 PM
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All I know is that the new Prime Minister of Canada's name begins with an H, ends with an R and is 6 letters long...
Heil Harper... *rolls eyes... *** nazi
XD
Politics? I'm sure that there's a perfect political system out there, but since humans are flawed, we'll never achieve it. Now, if we had COMPUTERS running our governments...
Post by: charaman on February 10, 2006, 03:31:24 PM
Post by: Djanki on February 10, 2006, 08:58:38 PM
I'm pro-democracy. We need another president like JFK, in my humble opinion--I've heard no crud about him, except that he let Marilyn Monroe into his room ;).
Still, lets face facts. No matter what, any political party--be it facist, democratic, or whatever, always has one guy at the top (president, uh...what the facist leader is called, etc). All that power goes to his head, no matter what happens. It's just a matter of time. And, come on! Even in Democracy, presidents are always giving out promises, and they never keep them!!! Case in point, the war in Irak.
I know people aren't going to take this seriously, but take a look at Monty Python and the Holy Grail. In one scene, there's a guy telling Authur that there's no king--the people are all doing the work, and settle everything in bi-weekly meetings. They chose someone to be leader of the meetings for two weeks, etc. I know, its sorta like Democracy, but it sounds pretty good! Unfortunantly, it's only possible for small populations.
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Now, if we had COMPUTERS running our governments...
There's another flaw with that. Somebody has to control that computer--you know, maintenance and stuff. He could program that computer to his will.
I got a little hint: Uh...lets try not to fight over what party is better than the other. That's how wars get started, and that is extremely unnessicary.
Post by: charaman on February 10, 2006, 09:23:09 PM
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I know people aren't going to take this seriously, but take a look at Monty Python and the Holy Grail. In one scene, there's a guy telling Authur that there's no king--the people are all doing the work, and settle everything in bi-weekly meetings. They chose someone to be leader of the meetings for two weeks, etc. I know, its sorta like Democracy, but it sounds pretty good! Unfortunantly, it's only possible for small populations.
That is the final goal of Communism. To paraphrase my European History textbook: A whithering away of the state will occur, ending all corruption, violence, ... (blah blah blah bad stuff goes away, utopian society...). Democracy will prevail on the local level.
It is a good idea, but as you said, power goes to the head of the ruler, and they lose sight of the long term and greater good in favor of their own power. It is a fault of humanity.
As for what you said abot emotionless compueters, have you ever seen 2001: A Space Odyssey? haha.
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 10, 2006, 09:40:55 PM
be very little variety in products, there will be fewer inovations, and everything will be crap. Take russia for example when it used to be communists, they had two varieties of cars to choose from, both sucked.
My views on politics, they suck. 90% of the time, politianers, senators, etc, have their own personal motives. Some city in calafornia sold their water rights to private companies so that they would get more money. They wouldn't even allow the people to vote against it. So now all the water there is 'owned' by a private organization who is looking to make a profit from something you need to live. It would be like paying someone to breath air.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not against government, because anarchy sucks too. Without government we wouldn't be able to own anything because it would get stolen. People could kill you without any consequence. Money would be worthless, and the only way to get food would be to grow it, steal it, or barter for it. And theres no saying that it won't get stolen or you won't get mugged.
Yeah, when not corrupt, domocracy is the best government we have come up with thus far.
In conclusion, I think politics suck.
Post by: WarxePB on February 10, 2006, 10:17:25 PM
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As for what you said abot emotionless compueters, have you ever seen 2001: A Space Odyssey? haha.
HAL > other fictional computers. Mostly because he becomes a starchild later on in the books.
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Now, if we had COMPUTERS running our governments...
There's another flaw with that. Somebody has to control that computer--you know, maintenance and stuff. He could program that computer to his will.
What if the computers were in a room with no doors and 20-foot-thick diamond plated steel walls? But the computers thing was a joke, anyways; I wouldn't want machines totally running our world.
I would be in favor of a system where there was a government to take care of all the stuff that governments do, but towns and sections of cities would basically rule themselves democratically. Sort of like the old Greek city-states, but with everyone participating, not just the men.
Post by: charaman on February 10, 2006, 11:11:18 PM
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Communism sucks. Everything is equally distributed among everyone, sounds good, but its not. A doctor would make the same as someone who works at mcdonalds. What insentive would there be to be a doctor then? No one will want to go into that field. And with communism, all production is controlled by the state, meaning there will
be very little variety in products, there will be fewer inovations, and everything will be crap. Take russia for example when it used to be communists, they had two varieties of cars to choose from, both sucked.
Never said I liked it, just said that, in theory, it was similar to Djanki's point. I absolutely hate politics.
HAL becomes a starchild? I gotta start reading those books.
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 11, 2006, 05:03:48 AM
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Never said I liked it, just said that, in theory, it was similar to Djanki's point. I absolutely hate politics.
Well I just saw the word communism and BAM, I had to state my opinions on it, it wasn't based on what anyone said in particular :p
But yay, another politics hater, though I think theres a lot of people that hate politics, and I know why.. They suck!
Post by: Razor on February 11, 2006, 06:31:36 AM
I support Nater.
Post by: Red Giant on February 11, 2006, 07:50:18 AM
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I think Bush is quite a poor president and person in general; and I am not at all fond of the republicans.
I support Nater.
Aye. He is the anti-christ and will rain hot desctruction on us all!
I have a friend who wants everyone to live like they did in the middle ages. Politically. Or something.
But rather than type stuff: Socialism (http://qwantz.com/comics/comic2-748.png)
Post by: Razor on February 11, 2006, 12:49:07 PM
And Red, you're just full of surprises, aren't you?
Post by: Shady Ultima on February 11, 2006, 03:22:39 PM
Harper really is a Nazi, and wants to take away Gay rights, women's rights and the rights of minorities. I do not support him, and it's a damn good thing it's a minority government, because otherwise, women wouldn't be allowed to vote.
Bush is an idiot, but really, he's nothing. He's got a ton of power, but all he does is let his dad run the show. He's like a 5 year old kid who gets up on stage and reads, that's about all he does. I hate the American government, and I think that anyone who voted Bush back in is stupid.
The Iraq war. Ok, it's bad when your war is called Operation Iraqi Liberation... which the initials for are OIL. When the war started Bush was saying that Iraq has WMD's, and no one believed him. 3 years later, and what have they found? A bunch of guns? Every country has weapons! That's not a national threat. But, now they're stuck there, just being slaughtered. I haven't heard of any skirmishes the US troops have won. Hmm... Iraq = Vietnam 2? I think so...
Harper wants to send us to Iraq. We already know there's no point to the war, but he just wants to kiss up to Bush. What's he afraid of? The US can't attack us. If they did, every other country would come to Canada's aid.
The US is $30m in debt to China. With China being the next superpower, be prepared for a huge surgence in Communism.
Speaking of superpower countries, isn't it funny that throughout history all superpower countries have been decimated with one exception (Britain)? Anyone living in the US had better be careful, the economy is slowly crashing, and it's all thanks to your 'fearless leader'. - My one friend says watch the movie postman, it has some great predictions about the US future. A few include, the entire federal government emploding, and each state becoming a seperate country... very much like USSR = Russia, and a million other dinky countries. Imagine the world Olympics after that...
Anyways, those are just the thoughts of me and my friends. If you disagree, that's fine, this is my opinion. I am Canadian (and proud) and obviously have some bias towards the US.
Post by: charaman on February 11, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
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I have a friend who wants everyone to live like they did in the middle ages. Politically. Or something.
I guess this friend is an anime addict?
But to be serious, I wouldn't like to be in a feudal country, because I don't like the idea of people being "attached" to a peice of land.
Post by: Kinslayer on February 11, 2006, 06:08:33 PM
For example, Argentina has a liberal economy, the enterprises are private (ALL of them, even water and electricity), so it's rather hard to keep their services, because they care in what is good for them, not what is good for the country they are working in (*ironic mode on* by the way, thank you, Carlos Menem, you sold our country on a good ransom, thank you very much, and thank you IMF for having being a pain in the arse for so much time *ironic mode off*), so to have a strong State (not tyrannical, just strong enough to hold the power for it's own nation) that can take decitions in economy is good. Democracy is (in my position) the best political system, but it has to be well applied, people should be able to use the real power they got, because of that the vote is really important, still it is a system that allows you to speak freely and choose the people in command.
From there it's just up to what the people want to do with that system.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on February 11, 2006, 06:43:52 PM
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But to be serious, I wouldn't like to be in a feudal country, because I don't like the idea of people being "attached" to a peice of land.
I'll completly agree with that. Aside from that, during the feudal era taxes were quite the bitch.
Post by: Red XIII on February 11, 2006, 08:51:22 PM
In a Dictatorship, you lose your freedom. That also happens in Comunism (By the way, Russia, China and Cuba are all weird tipes of communism, maybe you should read something and come back about this point).
In Economy, I believe in balance. Some things (Important resources such as energy and water, as well as education and Health Services) shoul belong to the State, because they are thing that everyone needs and have a right to have. You canīt leave that kind of responsability to bussinensmen who will pursache their own interests in the end (Not to talk about foreign industries, I mean, it would fun to go to a war against, letīs say France, if they control your Oil, or your Water Service.). In other areas, I think that small bussines should be helped (Since competition is good, ya know!!!!!!).
Thereīs a last rule I believe in: NEVER go into an attack war. ALWAYS defend. (NOTE: If anyone knows a way to make Bush understnd this, please tell me. PLEASE PLEASe!!!!!)
Post by: MrMister on February 11, 2006, 10:04:51 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Razor
I think Bush is quite a poor president and person in general; and I am not at all fond of the republicans.
I support Nater.
Aye. He is the anti-christ and will rain hot desctruction on us all!
I have a friend who wants everyone to live like they did in the middle ages. Politically. Or something.
But rather than type stuff: Socialism
You show up once a month to plague us with links we've tried to forget?!?! UHGURUHRWAHhg
Maybe democracy would work out better if Americans weren't a bunch of tards and animal fuckers.
Post by: Tomi on February 11, 2006, 10:11:12 PM
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The Iraq war. Ok, it's bad when your war is called Operation Iraqi Liberation... which the initials for are OIL. When the war started Bush was saying that Iraq has WMD's, and no one believed him. 3 years later, and what have they found? A bunch of guns? Every country has weapons! That's not a national threat. But, now they're stuck there, just being slaughtered. I haven't heard of any skirmishes the US troops have won. Hmm... Iraq = Vietnam 2? I think so...
It's actually Operation Iraqi Freedom, not liberation. That's just a joke someone made up. And they actually did find some WMD's in Syria (thats where they hid them), but most of the media is so liberal and anti-Bush, you'll never hear about it.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on February 11, 2006, 10:20:37 PM
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but most of the media is so liberal and anti-Bush, you'll never hear about it.
What show you watching that's Liberal? Most the crap I watch is completely anti-liberal.
Post by: charaman on February 12, 2006, 03:52:20 AM
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but most of the media is so liberal and anti-Bush, you'll never hear about it.
What show you watching that's Liberal? Most the crap I watch is completely anti-liberal.
Hmmm... most everything but fox news is liberal.
What I am really sick of is people who are unaffetcted by Bush to complain about him. Stop jumping on the bandwagon and mind your business. I don't like him, but he's not hurting my life yet, so I'm not complaining yet.
Post by: Spike21 on February 12, 2006, 04:18:43 AM
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but most of the media is so liberal and anti-Bush, you'll never hear about it.
yeah. but i hate the us goverment in general and the fbi scare me. I think bush is as good as most other presidents. I do not think it is our job to jugde them because we do not know what it is like.
Post by: drenrin2120 on February 12, 2006, 04:22:21 AM
In my opinion, politics are personal preference, therefor, no matter what type of government is chosen, someone's not gonna like it.
But I kinda agree with Shady Ultima, America has got some humungous debts, and the economy is definitely hurting. But I would not say we are on the verge or really that close to a total breakdown in the government. If we were, there'd be more things like, the depression, even MORE poverty, prolly more political corruption, protests, riots... It'd be a lot more chaotic. But I do believe, if something is not done, if our politicians don't straighten out and start doing their friggin' jobs, the US is screwed.
Post by: WarxePB on February 12, 2006, 04:29:09 AM
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What I am really sick of is people who are unaffetcted by Bush to complain about him. Stop jumping on the bandwagon and mind your business. I don't like him, but he's not hurting my life yet, so I'm not complaining yet.
I agree. I know some people around my school who hate Bush's guts, yet when I ask them "Why?" they say "I dunno" or something equally stupid.
Sure, bush has made some mistakes, but that doesn't give everyone automatic hating rights. As Spike said
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I do not think it is our job to jugde them because we do not know what it is like.
Post by: Razor on February 12, 2006, 04:31:10 AM
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You show up once a month to plague us with links we've tried to forget?!?! UHGURUHRWAHhg
That's the magic of Red :p
Post by: Spike21 on February 12, 2006, 04:34:19 AM
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quote: Charaman
What I am really sick of is people who are unaffetcted by Bush to complain about him. Stop jumping on the bandwagon and mind your business. I don't like him, but he's not hurting my life yet, so I'm not complaining yet.
I agree. I know some people around my school who hate Bush's guts, yet when I ask them "Why?" they say "I dunno" or something equally stupid.
Sure, bush has made some mistakes, but that doesn't give everyone automatic hating rights. As Spike said
quote: I do not think it is our job to jugde them because we do not know what it is like.
yeah people i know hate bush just because of jokes on snl
Post by: drenrin2120 on February 12, 2006, 04:37:17 AM
Post by: WarxePB on February 12, 2006, 04:41:52 AM
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Razor
I think Bush is quite a poor president and person in general; and I am not at all fond of the republicans.
I support Nater.
Am I the only one who gets Razor's post?
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and I don't mean stuff like "Bush Sucks" and "I hate republicans" or "Go Nater"
See the resemblances?
Post by: Razor on February 12, 2006, 05:45:05 AM
Post by: Drace on February 12, 2006, 08:05:21 AM
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All political sistems have flaws (including democracy, by disgrace). But you should never forget this: In a democracy, you have the right to say and think whatever you want about anything.
In a Dictatorship, you lose your freedom. That also happens in Comunism (By the way, Russia, China and Cuba are all weird tipes of communism, maybe you should read something and come back about this point).
In Economy, I believe in balance. Some things (Important resources such as energy and water, as well as education and Health Services) shoul belong to the State, because they are thing that everyone needs and have a right to have. You canīt leave that kind of responsability to bussinensmen who will pursache their own interests in the end (Not to talk about foreign industries, I mean, it would fun to go to a war against, letīs say France, if they control your Oil, or your Water Service.). In other areas, I think that small bussines should be helped (Since competition is good, ya know!!!!!!).
Thereīs a last rule I believe in: NEVER go into an attack war. ALWAYS defend. (NOTE: If anyone knows a way to make Bush understnd this, please tell me. PLEASE PLEASe!!!!!)
The day that French owns the water of this country is the day that I'll attack French with fricking sharks with fricking lasers attached on their fricking heads!
And Warxe, I got it. Just wasn't that funny -_-
Post by: Moosetroop11 on February 12, 2006, 12:06:33 PM
Post by: charaman on February 12, 2006, 03:14:46 PM
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yeah people i know hate bush just because of jokes on snl
People can't think for themselves. It's pathetic. Really though, I don't support his policy, but I don't go blaming him for all America's problems or dragging him into every conversation. Its a pointless, worn out, and tired subject.
Post by: Razor on February 12, 2006, 08:01:38 PM
Why wouldn't you want to have a President who screwed his secretary? I can really imagine America should be more like this.
Clinton: So, guess what I got up to last night. ;)
America: OH NO YOU DIDN'T! :o
Clinton: Oh yeah! :D
America: *hollering and wooting*
Post by: Tomi on February 12, 2006, 09:39:24 PM
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I don't understand America.
Why wouldn't you want to have a President who screwed his secretary? I can really imagine America should be more like this.
Clinton: So, guess what I got up to last night. ;)
America: OH NO YOU DIDN'T! :o
Clinton: Oh yeah! :D
America: *hollering and wooting*
XD!!!
Post by: charaman on February 12, 2006, 09:40:15 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Razor
I don't understand America.
Why wouldn't you want to have a President who screwed his secretary? I can really imagine America should be more like this.
Clinton: So, guess what I got up to last night. ;)
America: OH NO YOU DIDN'T! :o
Clinton: Oh yeah! :D
America: *hollering and wooting*
XD!!!
The way it should be...
Post by: carmen on February 13, 2006, 09:06:05 AM
Seeing a mostly non american , adolescent group of rpgmakers aruge over just how smelly bush's dick is.
good times.
Post by: Drace on February 13, 2006, 02:10:24 PM
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I never get tired of 'charas-political' threads.
Seeing a mostly non american , adolescent group of rpgmakers aruge over just how smelly bush's dick is.
good times.
Eh, Carmen... That are you and the gals, not us.
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I don't go blaming him for all America's problems or dragging him into every conversation
Exactly. Why? Because he isn't the one in control. He is controlled, even though he might not know it himself. The Patriots are in control of everything. There are no votes, The Patriots choose the winning side. There is no president, there's a spokesman for The Patriots. MGS is true.
Post by: charaman on February 13, 2006, 03:18:19 PM
Post by: GhostClown on February 13, 2006, 06:07:43 PM
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And how does him being controlled effect you in Holland? Why do you care?
Good question. :|
Post by: Razor on February 13, 2006, 08:10:12 PM
However, you'll notice in the thread I haven't used this right yet. :p
Post by: Drace on February 13, 2006, 08:12:17 PM
Some dude holding a photo of Harry Potter and Jan Peter Balkenende, our Prime-Minister. Guess which is which.
Post by: Red XIII on February 14, 2006, 01:31:57 AM
Whatīs the major superpower today? US
Who have military bases and spies all over the world? The US
Who have most of the economical (Through "independent" organizations such as the IMF and the BM (Banco Mundial, Donīt know how is it in English)) and political power in the world? Once again, the US.
All decissions taken in USA affect the rest of the world. That is a fact. How are you affected by the president of my country? Well, you arenīt!!! cause we donīt have Sh**, since we are "just" Latin America.
Post by: Kinslayer on February 14, 2006, 01:49:39 AM
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Who have most of the economical (Through "independent" organizations such as the IMF and the BM (Banco Mundial, Donīt know how is it in English)) and political power in the world? Once again, the US.
To make what my bro said here a bit longer, the USA has the biggest external debt, even bigger than ours (which is to say a friggin' lot, hundresds of millions of dollars), and one of the international organizations which the USA ows to is the IMF, which is the one that made most of the economycal damage at South and Central America, by making the countries follow certain orders to pay the debt, that involved, to set an example, to privatize the national enterprises, which made the countries loose power. But still, the United States have not been bothered by this organization. Why? Because the US OWNS the IMF by spreading it's orders and politycs, the IMF is just one helping hand of the United States. The USA's current economy is not as good as it was years ago, still, the current government (maning Bush, Chaney, Powell and the others) has the guts to spend billions in weapons for the current war, why is this happening? Because of that the countries that are affected by the IMF have to pay to it, and the money that they spend paying the IMF is used to support the USA's politycs.
Post by: carmen on February 14, 2006, 06:29:48 AM
Some alot more subjective then others.
My post was aimed more towards stereotyping, illiterate, children.
but thanks.
bottom line. The world will never be perfect. As long as I get to die quick. I'll be a happy camper. Trust me guys, I'm not giving you the classic suburban white girl from the USA opinion.
my life < Other peoples.
No it's not cause my job sucks.
or I miss someone.
Or my car broke down
or my hair is wet.
or OOOO my life SUCKS
it really really sucks.