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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: WarxePB on March 21, 2006, 02:22:37 AM

Title: Debate time!
Post by: WarxePB on March 21, 2006, 02:22:37 AM

Woo.

I'll post something, which we can debate. When that's done, and/or someone comes up with something else, we'll debate that, and when that topic's played out, we'll debate something else - and so on, and so on. Regular posting rules apply, remember, so don't flame other people's opinions.

Since I started the topic, I get to choose the first topic.



"There is no such thing as good or evil... there are only ideals, and those who disagree with them."
Me and a friend were discussing that point. We didn't reach a conclusion on it, so I'll ask you guys.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 02:25:49 AM

Yeah of course killing you and this thread would be right  and good right? :) WRONG

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Post by: shadus on March 21, 2006, 02:27:19 AM

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Yeah of course killing you and this thread would be right and good right? :) WRONG

How dare you joke about killing Warxe...It almost worst than killing Mr.T!

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Post by: chronoman on March 21, 2006, 02:27:24 AM

Well I think that good is what is generally accepted and evil is what is not. But I lean towards what you do for yourself and others depends on what and how you did.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 21, 2006, 02:38:29 AM

Sweet a debate :D

 

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"There is no such thing as good or evil... there are only ideals, and those who disagree with them."

Yeah I agree, good and evil are basically just opinions held by a person. Most people would agree that terrorists are evil, but on the other hand, terrorists think that the United States is evil. The concept of good and evil is just that, a concept. Each person views the concept of good and evil in a differant way, and the way they view it is based on their ideals.

A lot of ideals are uniformal, such as the ideal that flat out murder is evil. However, a lot of ideals are held by the indevidual, an example would be animal rights. Is it evil to kill and eat an animal? Some vegitarians and such have the ideals that such actions are evil, others like me would find nothing wrong in doing so.

So yeah, you can't really have a clear definition of what is good and what is evil, it just won't work. Rather, indeviduals choose for themselves what they believe to be good and evil based on their own or their cultures ideals.

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Post by: Razor on March 21, 2006, 06:50:31 AM

What about people who know things are evil, but do it anyway? Those guys are assholes. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Ganondorf.


(And good old Warxe, he knows there's few things more fun than a good session of mass debation.

Oh please, you all knew one of me had to say it.)

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Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 21, 2006, 07:11:21 AM

Good and Evil... I just look towards the good ol' Ten Commandments

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Post by: Red Giant on March 21, 2006, 09:17:04 AM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
A lot of ideals are uniformal, such as the ideal that flat out murder is evil.

These things probably come from our evolutionary nature as social creatures; from the need to group together to be safe.

But I don't doubt that if a person was taught from birth to believe murder is okay they would believe it. It's basically all opinion, but thanks to society we have common standards.

Heres food for thought: What would life be like if Hitler had dominated the world?

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Post by: Razor on March 21, 2006, 09:34:15 AM

Well, realistically I suppose it would have been no blacks, jews, nonwhites, all that live have blue eyes and blonde hair.

Really, it's sort of a zombie horror movie.

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Post by: Desimodontidae on March 21, 2006, 02:15:26 PM

 

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"There is no such thing as good or evil... there are only ideals, and those who disagree with them."

I for one completly agree with that statement. Of course our morality is based heavily on religion, namingly the Christian religion, so I dont think our uniformal morals are based so much on evolution as they are religion and government. Look at almost everything bad you can think of, murder, drugs, etc. These things are prohibited by the governemt, and therefor they have the "bad" lable associated with them. The undecideds will follow the majority, and eventually those who oppose will convert. Its the few that remain in opposition who are the evil people, because by now, everyone is against them.

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Post by: SaiKar on March 21, 2006, 03:09:25 PM

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Well, realistically I suppose it would have been no blacks, jews, nonwhites, all that live have blue eyes and blonde hair.

Really, it's sort of a zombie horror movie.

I'll comment on the actual issue later, but I just gotta say that that's probably not what would have happened had German won. Most of th country was TOTALLY unaware of the atrocities commited against the jewesh population and the extend that it was being taken and were horrified to find out after the war.

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Post by: Drace on March 21, 2006, 06:02:38 PM

Everyone has his own ideals on good and evil, there is no 'correct' good and evil.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 21, 2006, 06:59:48 PM

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Originally posted by Razor Well, realistically I suppose it would have been no blacks, jews, nonwhites, all that live have blue eyes and blonde hair. Really, it's sort of a zombie horror movie.

I'll comment on the actual issue later, but I just gotta say that that's probably not what would have happened had German won. Most of th country was TOTALLY unaware of the atrocities commited against the jewesh population and the extend that it was being taken and were horrified to find out after the war.

Well the question was what if Hitler ruled the world, not if Germany did.  :|

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Post by: Razor on March 21, 2006, 07:04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Razor Well, realistically I suppose it would have been no blacks, jews, nonwhites, all that live have blue eyes and blonde hair. Really, it's sort of a zombie horror movie.

I'll comment on the actual issue later, but I just gotta say that that's probably not what would have happened had German won. Most of th country was TOTALLY unaware of the atrocities commited against the jewesh population and the extend that it was being taken and were horrified to find out after the war.

I'm not in a position to disagree, my knowledge on WW2 isn't all that.

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Post by: Spike21 on March 21, 2006, 08:20:36 PM

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Originally posted by smokey_locs2002
Good and Evil... I just look towards the good ol' Ten Commandments

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 08:38:52 PM

Quote-Posts are annoying.... and evil.

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 09:30:05 PM

I'm good. All of you are evil. I win the debate.





...Its all a matter of opinion though.

(Take that DB, I summed up 3 paragraphs into 7 words.)

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Post by: shadus on March 21, 2006, 09:31:15 PM

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Quote-Posts are annoying.... and evil.

Meh,I'll have to diargre on that one.

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Post by: Razor on March 21, 2006, 09:32:24 PM

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...Its all a matter of opinion though.

(Take that DB, I summed up 3 paragraphs into 7 words.)

I think you just destroyed the purpose of anyone anywhere ever in time ever having another debate again. Good job!  :)

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 09:35:07 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911 ...Its all a matter of opinion though. (Take that DB, I summed up 3 paragraphs into 7 words.)

I think you just destroyed the purpose of anyone anywhere ever in time ever having another debate again. Good job!  :)

Reminds me of Dr.Phil. Takes him an hour to say what I can say in less than 5 words. Them crazy texans.

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Post by: Razor on March 21, 2006, 09:36:52 PM

Well actually I was referring to the "bla bla bla matter of opinion whatever" thing you said.



And God, Dr Phil is awful.

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 09:39:08 PM

Well...its all a matter of opinion anyway. :flower:

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 21, 2006, 09:40:36 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911
I'm good. All of you are evil. I win the debate.





...Its all a matter of opinion though.

(Take that DB, I summed up 3 paragraphs into 7 words.)

Darn, I've been beaten.  _ghost_

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 10:37:32 PM

"its all a matter of opinion"... that's YOUR opinion tho.

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 10:40:41 PM

Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions.

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Post by: shadus on March 21, 2006, 10:41:08 PM

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And God, Dr Phil is awful.

Yes quite true.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 10:44:18 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911
Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions.

Thats still your opinion.

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Post by: charaman on March 21, 2006, 11:28:28 PM

Warxe,you should read

Beyond Good & Evil : Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679724656/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/104-7627826-8031108?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155  



What I believe is that it is up to the individual to define what good and evil are to themselves, and apply it as a personal set of laws. One needs to evaluate thes ideals when they encroach on the freedoms and well being of another.

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 11:36:22 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911 Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions.

Thats still your opinion.

Which is required for a debate.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 11:44:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki quote: Originally posted by Revolution911 Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions. Thats still your opinion.

Which is required for a debate.

And evidence? Support material? Not only does one need an opinion but belieave  things that will make your opinion credible.

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Post by: Revolution911 on March 21, 2006, 11:46:30 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911 quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki quote: Originally posted by Revolution911 Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions. Thats still your opinion. Which is required for a debate.

And evidence? Support material? Not only does one need an opinion but belieave  things that will make your opinion credible.

Hitler saw his actions as ridding the world of demons while the rest of the world sees him as an evil bastard. And my OPINION is that this whole idea of good and evil exists in your head. There are no rules for good and evil set in stone. Mr. Touchy.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 21, 2006, 11:49:14 PM

Even if they were written on stone, I would doubt people would follow them. my opinion is that there is a good and evil, is just that we all misunderstand it or don't know it to a full extent, or we are too n00bish to go find it.

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Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2006, 11:58:38 PM

There isn't a universal code of ethics, unless you're religeous. Which like, 90% of the world is. So, suck a fat D.

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Post by: Kinslayer on March 22, 2006, 12:11:12 AM

I think that there are more people willing to use the idea of "good" and "evil" for their own benefit.

The ideal of what is good and what is evil is an ideal that changes with time, such as another points of view that are not so deep, but still show a tendence, for example the idea of what is beautiful or what is ugly.

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Post by: 69_so_fine on March 22, 2006, 12:11:28 AM

"good and evil" is to hard to define so i just use the good old method of "right and wrong" which is pretty much self explanitory

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Post by: charaman on March 22, 2006, 12:40:08 AM

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"good and evil" is to hard to define so i just use the good old method of "right and wrong" which is pretty much self explanitory

ummm... thats what this whole thread is about.

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Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 22, 2006, 01:01:40 AM

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Quote-Posts are annoying.... and evil.

and flat out lazy. Everytime I see a Good and Evil topic on any site Hitler's name always pops up. I'll say what I always say about him.. yes what he did was dead evil. His idea about helpig his country was not evil.

That Jesus guy said something about Corrupted at best is at your worst.. or something like that..

That Jesus guy is a nice guy to study even if you don't believe in him. What he said sure as hell made hella sense.

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Post by: charaman on March 22, 2006, 01:26:21 AM

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That Jesus guy is a nice guy to study even if you don't believe in him. What he said sure as hell made hella sense.

He did, until his movement was hijacked by a certain.... mmm.... and became a corrupted religion.

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Post by: Razor on March 22, 2006, 10:07:16 AM

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Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions.

Single handedly the best post in the universe.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 22, 2006, 04:21:08 PM

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Originally posted by Revolution911 Which explains why its all a debate. A debate where you post your opinion. For the debate. Which requires opinions.

Single handedly the best post in the universe.

And that is, your opinion.

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Post by: Razor on March 22, 2006, 06:50:01 PM

But that is your opinion.

Please make this stop. Otherwise this thread can very well have pages and pages of just "that's YOUR opinion."

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 22, 2006, 07:01:11 PM

We're debating our opinions here, so when someone says something, of course thats their opinion, who else's would it be?

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Post by: Razor on March 22, 2006, 07:12:15 PM

Well technically, and we all know about my technicality lust, but technically, if I said "kill jews!" and dominated Germany and stuff, technically as well as being my own opinion, I would share it with Hitler, and it would also be HIS opinion.

Technically.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 22, 2006, 07:16:40 PM

Well technically if you share an opinion with someone else, that opinion is still yours as well. It doesn't matter if its shared or not, it will still be your opinion.

Technically?

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Post by: Razor on March 22, 2006, 07:20:08 PM

But it would also be theirs. And also, technically if you learnt about Hitler's opinions, and then agreed with them, since he had them before you, and all you do is agree, then technically its more his than yours.

Technically.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 22, 2006, 07:21:54 PM

But then, err, techincally,

oww, all this thinking gave me a headache.. Stupid paradoxs...