Post by: NeroSam on April 07, 2006, 12:47:46 PM
A good friend of mine sent me this email and I just had to spread the word! Pleas read this.
didnt write this to scare anyone or to force anyone to do anything, but the truth hurts, and I hope you all make the right descicions.
On October 9, it has come to my attention that Hip Hop and R&B, the music that we enjoy so much, is so evil that it has blinded us from actually seeing the truth!! YES!! THE MUSIC THAT WE ENJOY IS EVIL!! NO!!
ITS NOT ONLY ROCK MUSIC, BUT HIP HOP AND R&B!! Hip hop has so many subliminal messages in it and it is scary
because the messages are so obvious, but we are only figuring it out now because we just understood the
truth and when I first heard this, tears flowed out my eyes cause it is the horrifying truth.
Singers like Alicia keys, Jay z, deAngelo, india irie, snoop dog, erikah badu.........................etc . just read this u would see what am talkin about
You don't believe me? Just listen to the CD The Gray Album! Track 11, the interlude to Lucifer, Jay-Z or
should I say Jay-Hova (Jehoviah) says some pretty disturbing things! You wont hear it if you play it forwards, but play it backwards and this is
what he
>>says: "666, Murder, murder Jesus, I can introduce you
>>to evil (when you play it forward you hear him say: "I
>>can introduce you to the devil"), Leave niggaz on
>>death's door, Catholics I gotta murder em, murder,
>>murder Jesus, 666" and its scary cause his voice
>>sounds demonic in the song!! Its true!! I heard it for
>>myself!! Anyone don't believe me, gimmie a call!! I'll
>>play it for you!!
>>And Mr. Snoop Dogg, you heard he was a christian? Well
>>he used to be, but ever since he sold his soul to the
>>devil to sell records..what? you still don't believe
>>me? watch the video of "murder was the case", it
>>portrays him as Jesus, then he turns into the devil,
>>he even said it himself
"...sold my soul to the devil
>>to sell records.." I don't care if you said it just so
>>it can rhyme, that junk aint cool man, you don't say
>>things like that. Oh yeah, and right after that he
>>made the demonic movie called "Bones"
Three 6 Mafia? Three Sixes, 666!!! WHY WE AINT NOTICE
ALL OF THIS BEFORE?!?!
>>D-12, well, all you need to do is listen to their
>>lyrics on the song called "Revelation". Here are some
>>of the words: "I want to kill myself! i'm still debatin
>>in front of a baptist church, masturbatin
>>prayin to satan - think i'm crazy cause I smoke crack
>>live on (?) in a two-family flat? (f__k it)
>>tired of gettin hit in the face with a broom
>>my moms on her period, my
dad's in my room (daddy no!)
>>I got ten rocks and I need to get out
>>I sold them in five min_tes, at my own d_mn house
>>(moms smoke crack)
>>my poor grandmother, god bless her soul
>>the b__ch got
>>aids (aww) she just waitin to die of a
>>cold (Haha)", or this song called "Devil's Night":"I
>>make music to make you sick of fake music
>>hate music like devil worshippin satan music
>>so say your prayers, your hail mary's and Jesuses
>>take two sticks, tape 'em together and make a crucifix
>>try to stop it but you cain't do it (ha ha)
>>a whole generation of kids blowin out their f__kin
>>brains to this
>>kurt cobain music - students converted to 'caine users
>>as soon as they heard it went out and murdered and
>>maimed to
it
>>what's your name?"
>>Still want to listen to hip hop? You do? How about if I
>>tell you that Bones Thugs and Harmony are really devil
>>worshippers who use ouija boards and they mocked the
>>tounges of fire that appeared over the disciples head
>>in a video while they were around a crystal ball? Or
>>how about if I also tell you
>>that there is an album
>>that they have, and on the back of it is backwards
>>letters, when you hold those letters up to a mirror it
>>is actually a curse that goes straight to your SOUL!!
>>What if I told you that our favorite old school rapper
>>KRS-ONE believes that there is no god, that we are
>>gods and godesses and rap is equal with god, and that
>>God is not
down with religion but he is just something
>>that people make money with?
>>
>>The Wu Tang Clan made a video where it is a cartoon
>>and the cartoon is depicting the eagle (The W sign
>>they throw up) cuttin off Jesus head, and taking his
>>soul to form the members of the group. Old Dirty
>>Bastard's other name was Baby Jesus or something like
>>that. You think im makin this up? Read this quote from
>>vibe magazine
>>"look into my eyes" ol dirty says "i'm Jesus"
>>
>>Oh no its not only hip hop
>>friends, its also R&B.
>>
>>Alicia Keys gets her CD's blessed...nah, not by no
>>priest or minister or pastor, but by witches and them
>>voodoo people. And it aint only her, its alot of
>>people in the
industry!!
>>
>>Erikah Badu named her son seven, which she says means
>>seven steps to being God...she also believes in
>>strange mystic spirits and some new aged religion..she
>>is also into using Tarot Cards, and palm readers, and
>>ungoldy things like that. Hmmm, can I say, straight up
>>SATAN??
>>
>>
>>India Arie, she doesnt only believe in our God, but
>>spirits, and Ancestor Spirits and that nature spirit
>>garbage. But that don't stop us from listening to their
>>music.
>>
>>
>>D'Angelo...who remembers that nasty video where he
>>butt naked and singin and all them girls went crazy
>>over it?? aint that kind of X rated for a person who
>>calls himself
>>christian? Isnt it also kind of weird that
>>he
named one of his CD's "VooDoo" and it depicts him
>>in Haiti performing voodoo rituals whereas he is there
>>baning on a drum, a couple of villagers are dancing
>>around a fire, and a lady (who seems to be possesed)
>>is mangling a chicken, but yet this guy calls himself
>>a Christian?
>>
>>
>>
>>NOOO!!! ITS OUR PEOPLE TOO!! FRED HAMMOND (Gospel
>>Artist) WAS ON THE SONG WHERE KRS ONE SAID ALL THOSE
>>DEGRADING THINGS ABOUT GOD, AND GUESS WHAT, HE THINKS
>>ITS OK!! HE DOESNT MIND THAT P DIDDY AND NAS MADE A
>>SONG WHERE NAS IS DEPICTING HIMSELF AS JESUS CARRYING
>>AND BEING NAILED TO THE CROSS, HE DOESNT MIND THAT KRS
>>SAID ALL THOSE THINGS ON HIS SONG, AND KIRK FRANKLIN
>>(Gospel Artist)ALLOWING SECULAR ARTISTS ON HIS CD
>>TOO!!
REMEMBER THE BIBLE SAID, YOU CANT BE GOOD AND
>>EVIL AT THE SAME TIME!! PICK ONE!! YOU CANT BE
>>IN
>>BETWEEN!!!
>>
>>
>>Folks, I was told recently that only 2% of the world
>>don't KNOW about God. Now, my friend Mike told me that
>>statistics say there are 6 billion people in the world
>>today, do you know what 2% of 6 billion is? 120
>>million. That really isnt alot guys. And don't forget,
>>the whole world has to know about God before he
>>returns, meaning we havent got much time left!!
>>
>>I'm not here to force you to do anything, but I know I
>>changed my mind the same night I heard this about the
>>music I listen to. If it aint glorifyin God don't
>>listen to it. But hey, I made my descision what will
>>yours
be??
>>
>>
>>(By the way, in the Bible it says that in the end
>>times there will be a beast speaking blasphemy and
>>hatred against God (Rev:13:4-18)and how there will be
>>many followers of the beast, but only the true
>>christians will not follow,
>>and the many that follow
>>him will be saying how great he is and who would dare
>>make war with him? Now I have a hunch, I don't know for
>>a fact if its true, but put it into thought...what if
>>that Beast is music? Look
>>how many people follow what music is portraying, the
>>clothing style, the lifestyle...it makes sense doesnt
>>it? Don't forget, the devil was the head of the
>>department of music in heaven, so when he was cast
>>out, he want to be the same on earth!! IT MAKES SOO
MUCH
>>SENSE!! PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT DESCISION!! SECULAR
>>MUSIC IS BAD!!! IF IT AINT GLORYIFING GOD, WHO IS IT
>>GLORIFYING??!)
>>
>>Make the right choices. God Bless you all, and I hope
>>yall forward this to your friends and spread the word.
>>Delete it if you want, but when God asks "What have
>>you done to help save your brother or sister, what
>>will you say?"
Post by: Drace on April 07, 2006, 12:54:53 PM
EDIT: K, read it all out of hatred. Post something like this one more time and I'll personally come over there and kick your *** and your friends *** and your family's asses and your friends family's asses AND your dogs ***.
Post by: Razor on April 07, 2006, 01:00:02 PM
Btw, I know a little girl who needs you to forward this message to 10 other people in 10 minutes.
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 07, 2006, 01:13:03 PM
Post by: shadus on April 07, 2006, 01:22:48 PM
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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks
LOL!
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Originally posted by NeroSam
>>Make the right choices. God Bless you all, and I hope
>>yall forward this to your friends and spread the word.
>>Delete it if you want, but when God asks "What have
>>you done to help save your brother or sister, what
>>will you say?"
???
Do you read your Bible?
Post by: Midnight9795 on April 07, 2006, 01:45:45 PM
Post by: Drace on April 07, 2006, 04:14:42 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
Um...ok? Dude, your friends spend way to much time writing about nothing :p Drace..it's not that serious <.<
Seriously, crap like this pisses me off.
First off: "Rock is not the only bad music."
Bad bad bad BAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAD start. Whoever thinks that rock is connected to Satan should be asswhooped by any god.
Then saying that listening to Rock etc (now also Hip Hop and R&B) is equel to praising and worshipping Satan is BAD. Then that whole rant just pushes it to far. This is why I hate religion. No freedom at all. Atheist FTW!!!
Post by: Scarface Larry on April 07, 2006, 04:17:19 PM
@FFL: You have put our thoughts into pictures, have a metaphorical cookie.
Post by: Drace on April 07, 2006, 04:56:32 PM
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Originally posted by Scarface Larry
I agree with everything you said.
@FFL: You have put our thoughts into pictures, have a metaphorical cookie.
Agree with who?
Post by: shadus on April 07, 2006, 04:58:05 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on April 07, 2006, 06:10:35 PM
Edit: I just reversed "Lucifer" in FL Studio. Subliminal messages my ***. Gtfo.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 07, 2006, 06:10:53 PM
Yeah i am christian and I listen to music, enough to know some of the things drace said are true.
Most of the greatest misunderstanding are misinterpret by amish descendants. I mean if you know about amish, you know what i am talking about.
and Rev, you didnt help your own argument.
Post by: Midnight9795 on April 07, 2006, 06:25:40 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 07, 2006, 06:31:11 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
You guys should understand that everyone has different views.. no matter how dumb it may seem, no need to get upset over it :P
Like word.
Accept or disregard it and like, walk by it or something, Don't start cursing senselessly or threatening senselessly when that itself wont do anything. You can post about it, but, i mean, "I am going to kick your great great grandma's arse" isnt gonna do much.
Post by: Almeidaboo on April 07, 2006, 06:48:23 PM
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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
quote: Originally posted by Midnight9795
You guys should understand that everyone has different views.. no matter how dumb it may seem, no need to get upset over it :P
Like word.
Accept or disregard it and like, walk by it or something, Don't start cursing senselessly or threatening senselessly when that itself wont do anything. You can post about it, but, i mean, "I am going to kick your great great grandma's arse" isnt gonna do much.
Ditto...
Jesus Christ people, chill out...If he really thinks that all those stuff are real and that those "artists" sit in their bone'n'skull thrones to play cards with the devil, let him be.
I just find these things funny. Rap is bad music, not evil music.
Post by: smokey_locs2002 on April 07, 2006, 06:50:44 PM
Post by: shadus on April 07, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: Big_Duke on April 07, 2006, 07:34:21 PM
Drace,using @ss WAY too much.
And,creator of this thread,I WILL HELP DRACE WITH THE PUNISHMENT! Who the hell cares about today's rap?
It's like telling us what stuff they put in porn!
WE DON'T FREAKIN' CARE!
This is spam.
heheheheh..Spam..hehehehehe..pie..heheheheh
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 07, 2006, 08:02:53 PM
Post by: Ace of Spades on April 07, 2006, 08:18:52 PM
Post by: Drace on April 07, 2006, 08:19:15 PM
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Originally posted by Big_Duke
Drace,using @ss WAY too much.
I like ass. I'm an ass guy. Always checking out the ass of a girl before the rest. Tells a whole lot. Though, not saying I'm against hooters.
Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 07, 2006, 08:53:48 PM
Post by: shadus on April 07, 2006, 08:59:55 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 07, 2006, 09:13:12 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 07, 2006, 09:37:55 PM
No its not a joke, do you want this person's great great grandma to kick too?
Gee
Post by: Razor on April 07, 2006, 10:07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
You can post about it, but, i mean, "I am going to kick your great great grandma's arse" isnt gonna do much.
I agree. Beating up on old people proves nothing.
Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 08, 2006, 01:35:14 AM
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Originally posted by Razor
quote: Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
You can post about it, but, i mean, "I am going to kick your great great grandma's arse" isnt gonna do much.
I agree. Beating up on old people proves nothing.
It truly does kill time though, and it has great entertainment value.
Post by: NeroSam on April 08, 2006, 05:59:06 AM
well in the end, all im trying to do is spread good advice. whether you accept it or not is down to you. and if you dont like it, then just ignore it. Jesus did say some people will accep and some won't.
Post by: neb87 on April 08, 2006, 06:14:04 AM
Post by: Drace on April 08, 2006, 08:07:23 AM
I have some "good" advice for you. Go, away.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 08, 2006, 08:33:57 AM
Your bashing a religion, stated in all of all rules and guidelines, that isnt allowed. And even if it isnt bashing religion, you are bashing a member for no real good reason.
This is a verbal warning from a mod.
He's not shugging words down in your throat. Live with it.
Post by: Robotam on April 08, 2006, 08:59:34 AM
If I'm going to be honest this thread is full of dumb replies.
I say we watch this topic go down a few pages back without a lock. But consider this a warning. If any flaming or random spam war starts I won't doubt before pressing the fine looking "lock button".
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 08, 2006, 09:02:37 AM
Specially for these 'special' occasions
And you couldnt have said better robbie; agreed.
Post by: Desimodontidae on April 08, 2006, 02:17:16 PM
In relation to the topic, I would like to say that you don't have to listen to subliminals to realize that there's something rather secular about rap. Pulling out your nine and murdering a woman after having promiscuous sex with her for money dosen't sound very christian.
Post by: Zeigue on April 08, 2006, 02:56:06 PM
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In relation to the topic, I would like to say that you don't have to listen to subliminals to realize that there's something rather secular about rap. Pulling out your nine and murdering a woman after having promiscuous sex with her for money dosen't sound very christian.
hahahah. So true.
Post by: Drace on April 08, 2006, 03:11:08 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 08, 2006, 03:18:01 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 08, 2006, 04:32:58 PM
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Originally posted by Drace
I'm bashing his religion? He's bashing my atheism.
No, no he wasn't. I know better atheists than you, that would just skip the thread and go on. Please lets just drop this
Post by: MrMister on April 08, 2006, 06:38:24 PM
Anything you hear backwards isn't subliminal. Why don't you bitch about ACTUAL sacreligeous music? Rather, join MADD and get ***ked in the ***?
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 08, 2006, 06:56:16 PM
tho i thank you for editting.
Post by: drenrin2120 on April 08, 2006, 06:59:48 PM
I agree with Desi 100%. Don't need to look for subliminal messeges in (some) rap to find the bad. As in anything. You want to find something bad? Look for satanic bands or just google Maralyn Manson for christ's sake. They're not hiding anything.
Take it as you want, but I'm betting you're a Jehova's Witness. I don't mean that as a flame, merely pointing it out. I believe I have the right to say that, especially since I was a Jehova's Witness for a while. They believe that everything outside their "Kingdom Halls" is the Devil's World. Get people to believe that and what have you got? Perfect situation for brainwashing.
Post by: Leon_1990 on April 08, 2006, 09:51:51 PM
As much as I wish it were true... I can't lead myself to believe something I read out of an E-mail so easily, if I could be bothered, or infact, if I truly cared, I would go out there, buy the CDs and look for these messages...
Post by: Shady Ultima on April 09, 2006, 12:04:42 AM
Firstly. If you're gonna try and tell me, just because I listen to some music that is OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions, I'm going to hell, that is retarded. Just because I listen to music, because I enjoy it, does not mean I believe the people's opinions. For example. I listen to As I lay Dying, POD, Creed, and many other Christian bands. Sure, the music is good, but it's not coverting my religious beliefs. And on the other end of the spectrum, Slayer, Slipknot, Manson. And although I believe their atheism is more correct, I believed it long before I listened to crazy metal and what not.
Music is an artform, and as such should not be taken so seriously. Yes, there are artists who openly worship the devil, some worship god, some are just atheists. But for you to try and tell me that music is evil, that's retarded. Just because you don't like a type of music, DOES NOT MAKE IT EVIL. It's opinion. Next you're gonna be breathing down somebody's neck cause jesus isn't on our coins and we're worshipping the Queen of England (Canadian money).
See, I can talk to religious people and not have a problem with them. In fact, my BEST friend is really religious, and I'm atheist. Guess what we do when we hang out. We play music. My friend attends church every sunday, and prays nightly. So are you saying, because he plays guitar and doesn't write religious music, he's going to hell? That makes no sense. Its when people like you start trying to tell me what to believe that I get upset. Do you see me coming on here with a giant rant about how God does not exist? Before this, when have I ever openly expressed my beliefs? I don't. Why? Because religion should not have an impact upon a relationship, a friendship, and should not be imposed upon a forum board.
So here's my final thought. Mods, please do not lock this thread, because I believe it can be used for USEFUL debates. I love to debate with religious people about god. If you feel it needs to be locked because SOME people cannot take a stupid chain email lightly, well, then fine. And please buddy, don't try pressing your beliefs on others. Rock is not evil. R&B and Hip Hop are not evil. I listen to nearly all forms of music, with the exception of opera. So... I guess in your belief, I'm goin to hell. Well, I'll see you there
Post by: drenrin2120 on April 09, 2006, 01:21:44 AM
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
Ok, as an atheist I'll admit I hate things like this.
Firstly. If you're gonna try and tell me, just because I listen to some music that is OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions, I'm going to hell, that is retarded. Just because I listen to music, because I enjoy it, does not mean I believe the people's opinions. For example. I listen to As I lay Dying, POD, Creed, and many other Christian bands. Sure, the music is good, but it's not coverting my religious beliefs. And on the other end of the spectrum, Slayer, Slipknot, Manson. And although I believe their atheism is more correct, I believed it long before I listened to crazy metal and what not.
Music is an artform, and as such should not be taken so seriously. Yes, there are artists who openly worship the devil, some worship god, some are just atheists. But for you to try and tell me that music is evil, that's retarded. Just because you don't like a type of music, DOES NOT MAKE IT EVIL. It's opinion. Next you're gonna be breathing down somebody's neck cause jesus isn't on our coins and we're worshipping the Queen of England (Canadian money).
See, I can talk to religious people and not have a problem with them. In fact, my BEST friend is really religious, and I'm atheist. Guess what we do when we hang out. We play music. My friend attends church every sunday, and prays nightly. So are you saying, because he plays guitar and doesn't write religious music, he's going to hell? That makes no sense. Its when people like you start trying to tell me what to believe that I get upset. Do you see me coming on here with a giant rant about how God does not exist? Before this, when have I ever openly expressed my beliefs? I don't. Why? Because religion should not have an impact upon a relationship, a friendship, and should not be imposed upon a forum board.
So here's my final thought. Mods, please do not lock this thread, because I believe it can be used for USEFUL debates. I love to debate with religious people about god. If you feel it needs to be locked because SOME people cannot take a stupid chain email lightly, well, then fine. And please buddy, don't try pressing your beliefs on others. Rock is not evil. R&B and Hip Hop are not evil. I listen to nearly all forms of music, with the exception of opera. So... I guess in your belief, I'm goin to hell. Well, I'll see you there
Amen... I mean... well said.
Post by: MrMister on April 09, 2006, 01:25:56 AM
Good job. You said everything that needed to be said.
Post by: drenrin2120 on April 09, 2006, 01:33:49 AM
Anyone read the Da Vinci Code?
Well, you should. It makes you think about a lot of things. In that chain letter you called Tarot card reading, palm reading and other paganistic things Satanic. I beg to differ. In the Da Vinci Code, now I know this is just a book, but it suggests that Catholicism and Christianity are religions made tby man to gain power and to use the Pagan religion as something to be feared and that only the priest or pope can save you. It says a lot of things from which made me think, and it actually made sense. I beleive Jesus existed, but was he really gods son? Or a very smart, kind philosipher crucified for his beliefs? How can we know, it happened more than 2000 years ago. When they recorded things with animal skin's that decayed in less than a hundred years. If a group of people really wanted to, they could easily, back then, keep the facts they wanted and get rid of the others.
It's hard to explain, but if you read the Da Vinci Code, you'd get what I'm saying. My main point is, if you're truly a good person at heart and this god is so forgiving merciful. Why would he send you to forever burn in the pits of hell, just because you didn't go to church. The bible was written by man and not god. And then it was translated from an ancient language near forgotten. Religion seems more like man's creation than what a true god would actually want.
Post by: Shady Ultima on April 09, 2006, 02:01:11 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
Shady Ultima = marge4?
I... don't get it? :|
Post by: Drace on April 09, 2006, 08:50:15 AM
Post by: Razor on April 09, 2006, 09:49:16 AM
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Originally posted by NeroSam
pfft...
well in the end, all im trying to do is spread good advice. whether you accept it or not is down to you. and if you dont like it, then just ignore it. Jesus did say some people will accep and some won't.
There's no way in hell that's good advice.
Good advice: Wear a hard hat on a construction site, as it can save your life.
Bad advice: LISTEN TO HEAVY METAL AND UR GOIN TO HEL!1111!1
Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 09, 2006, 09:49:36 AM
Post by: Razor on April 09, 2006, 09:57:44 AM
Everyone knows that if you want to hear something while listening to something backwards, you will hear it. All it takes is an overactive imagination, and from there, some easily impressionable people who will believe anything.
You know what, **** this topic. **** it and the person who originally sent that email. Who the **** do they think they are, trying to stop people listening to the music they love, just because it's against their (the email sender's) religion.
I wholeheartedly agree with Drace's first post's edit.
Now I'm ****ing pissed off. Bah.
Post by: Midnight9795 on April 09, 2006, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: Drace on April 09, 2006, 02:37:08 PM
"Hey kids, how you doing?" > "Hey kids, kill whities motherfucking sacks of ****! Rape Jesus! Rape your mother and praise Satan! *loud groan*"
Post by: charaman on April 09, 2006, 03:11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Razor
I actually feel offended if anything. The original post seems nothing more than imposing Christianity on this forum, and it even bashes Jehova's witnesses to some degree.
Everyone knows that if you want to hear something while listening to something backwards, you will hear it. All it takes is an overactive imagination, and from there, some easily impressionable people who will believe anything.
You know what, **** this topic. **** it and the person who originally sent that email. Who the **** do they think they are, trying to stop people listening to the music they love, just because it's against their (the email sender's) religion.
I wholeheartedly agree with Drace's first post's edit.
Now I'm ******* pissed off. Bah.
I totally agree. These kinds of things are designed to exploit a person's religious value for a vendetta full of lies and half truths.
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 09, 2006, 03:56:44 PM
Post by: Desimodontidae on April 09, 2006, 03:58:59 PM
Post by: drenrin2120 on April 09, 2006, 03:59:59 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight9795
*blinks* Razor, get a hold of yourself XD You know Drenrin, I actually agree with that. I always have, and I really need to read this book but the one I have is so friggin long..oO. I find it amusing cause I always get into a few debates with my friends, who believe in religion strongly. They say there is a Jesus who will lead us to heaven, and the bible was made by god. I say that at this very moment, our lives can be hell or heaven and the bible is a book that was made by men who want power over others. Like really..how many verisons of the bibles are out there? It's always revised and yet, people seem ok with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an atheist or anything, I believe there is some 'kind' of god out there..I just don't believe in the bull the bible holds within it's cover. To be honest, there are waaaaaay to many religions out here to actually attempt to spread 'Jesus'' word. Neo or whomever (I forget, oh and this isn't a flame) reminds me of these homeless crackheads (ect..) in New York who spread the word of 'God' and hand out flyers or beg for money, and say god is good. Well if this god is so good, then why are you eating food outta the trash? I find things like this amusing, but it may just be me :D
Exactly what I'm thinking. I've always thought, if you had to change the bible, then what's the fuckin' point of religion? Peopel shouldn't be able to choose the rules they like, and toss the ones they don't. And let's get real, a person can only believe something blindly for so long. 2000 years is such a long time. No one, and I mean no one, really knows what happened. Did Jesus even exist? I believe he did, but that's something you have to decide for yourself.
That's one reason why I choose not to follow a set religion. Religions are sort of like cults. I choose more to live my life and try my best to do the right thing, because I am imperfect. If there is something after I die, there's only one way to find out, and that's a long time from now. Let god or Buddha, or whatever it is judge me how it will. I'll know I lived my life to the fullest and did my best to do what's right.
If I should be sent to hell for this, than so be it and I guess our god isn't as merciful as we thought.
EDIT: I think, even though it is important to remember the Da Vinci Code is just a book made by a storytelling author, it does have facts in it that raise interesting questions that if raised in 10th century would get you killled.
Post by: charaman on April 09, 2006, 05:31:48 PM
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Exactly what I'm thinking. I've always thought, if you had to change the bible, then what's the fuckin' point of religion? Peopel shouldn't be able to choose the rules they like, and toss the ones they don't. And let's get real, a person can only believe something blindly for so long. [/B]
Thats what they did when they complied the Bible. They chose the 4 most innocuous gospels, took all the letters Paul wrote, and called everyone else heretics. Where is the justice in that?
Post by: Archem on April 09, 2006, 05:56:10 PM
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 09, 2006, 06:15:02 PM
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been killed yet. @_@
me too. A mod has gotten pissed off, along with other ppl. People just cant be mature about these things = disapointed really on all this thread.
As a Christian i can only say to you that if you, have not read the bible ( the one that solidly say "the Holy Bible" beacause other highly changed versions ARE postmarked) ( and i am talking in context here, not skim reading, or revising, but have understand it, regardless if you do not believe in or w/e) and afterwards research on it, I do not believe you have the minorest right to either say : its a bunch a bull, its horrible, its a waste of time, its just to get you brainwashed, its just made by ppl that wanted fame, etc.
Because even to some things on it have been proven.
On a more practical level of thinking for some of you people is like judging a book without having it read.
And even worst, label most of people that follow it or believe in it because of the same thoughts.
where as all on this thread, look into it. Those subliminal messages HAVE been found on some songs. Not by any kind of ministries, bu tby people who were just plain curious. I don't see it as much here in the US, but in two other countries i know of those subliminal messages and I even got creeply hear one of them. By this I don't intend to sya music is evil, no, not by a long shot. I listen to a lot of music, some that I dont even understand most of the words. However consiously as a Christian I need not to be influence by any trash I can pick up.
Now as a person, member of this forum, If you people CANNOT at ALL handle a discussion like this without getting pissed-off, insulting, blaming, name calling, putting down others, ganging up, first-words thinking, flaming, bashing, spamming, stereotyping, or any other words that relate to any of the above, don't keep on typing on this thread, it will be senseless. I am not disapointed at what people are saying is HOW they are saying I am really disapointed of. If you cant really handle something like this that might be touchy without being mature (i think i used this sentence wrong but whatever idea reached) then I suggest to not look at the thread anymore, or tell someone who can maturely post, to post for you. It is like ppl who cant take stuff maturely, that flame wars start.
With that in mind, if the thread would go on, please keep that in mind, if its to be gone, good ridence.
Post by: Midnight9795 on April 09, 2006, 06:35:38 PM
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Oh ****. I ignored this topic for a few days, and all of the sudden, it's spiraled out of control. I should have said something to kill it early on. Crap. Lock this thread now, it's gonna give someone volatile gonorrhea
It was left open in the hopes that it would die, or in the hope that something of interest will come out of it. So meh :p
Post by: MrMister on April 09, 2006, 06:44:53 PM
Post by: Razor on April 09, 2006, 09:41:37 PM
Anyway. I feel that Charas can have religious discussions. There's a lot of potential to discuss the interests of each one.
But not like this. What follows I do not mean to offend, but this thread is founded by a single Christian who does not like something and boycotts it using his religion. I'm sorry to say, but if you like something he doesn't, you're going straight to Hell. Enjoy your ride.
And it really has no limits. What if this person doesn't like violent video games? You're going to Hell? What about non-violent video games? Anime? Casual swearing with friends?
No. This is why the email is highly faulted. It targets a specific group without any regard for their religion or anything, tells them that they are going to Hell, and then tells them to look to Jesus for help or something. It's practically a recruitment letter for Christianity, but it's doing it all wrong. This is why the thread should not have been made on the email.
Now, regarding the music itself. Is this real? Has any of us verified it? The email might have a small point if it's true, but if it's lying, using popular songs as a base to get people into Christianity... then it's just awful. Now, IF the songs do infact have some sort of secret messages, they are almost definately an accident, unless the rapper/artist says so themselves. Hell, you've heard them at those music choice awards type things, they usually thank God.
And like I said before, if a message IS heard, usually you have to be looking for it. If you gave someone one of those songs backwards, and they had no idea about the messages (this includes you say "Hey, listen to this, see if you can hear anything!") I guarantee that they will probably not hear it.
Post by: drenrin2120 on April 09, 2006, 11:12:06 PM
With that said, I have the read the bible. Maybe not the same as the Christian Bible though. Mine was called New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. I'm sure their are tons of different Translations and interpretation of the bible.
When it comes to music, I basically agree with Razor. It's most likely an accident. Now I'm sure there are songs out there that have subliminal messeges, but saying ALL rock and ALL rap and Hip-hop and R&B is evil and has subliminal messeges? That's laughable. If you look hard enough you can find the bad anything. The question is if the good in it outways the bad. It basically comes down to how hard you look for it and how you see it when you find it.
Post by: Drace on April 10, 2006, 05:36:38 AM
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Casual swearing with friends?
If so, it means I'm going to Hell V.66666666666666666.666.6
Seriously, we swear all the time. Mostly friendly or stuff like Smeghead but still.
Post by: Shady Ultima on April 10, 2006, 07:06:55 AM
I agree with Razor, that as email can be brutal. I recieved an email that detailed a rape, which led to a pregnancy and a girl commiting suicide. I sent it to my friends and some others on my list with the thought that people should know of it, and that I am against it. I recieved an email from a friend in return, where she chewed me out for it. I HAVE recieved religious emails from friends and family, and I usually delete them..
All chain emails are garbage. I recieved a letter from my parents. It was saying that Bill Gates was giving away some of his fortune and that the email was tracked and that if you sent it along you'd recieve money. I emailed them back saying, when you recieve the money, I'll believe it. Guess what... never got no money.
In what follows, the 'Gong' joke was an inside joke between myself and my friend who died in a car accident. I mean no disrespect to any who believe in god, it is only a joke. Just thought you may want to understand a little background of it before someone throws a fit.
Why people think that using an email to force a persons belief is better then forcing it upon them through word of mouth, will never make sense to me. I have no problem with emails where people send it out and say, I believe in gong, and if you do too, send this to your friends. Belief in gong is no reason to believe you are better then I am. Yes Razor has a point that we can have mature debates about religion, and as the thread has not been locked, I believe this could be a healthy debate. I see KM stating his religious belief, but not trying to tell people like myself that I have to believe in gong.
I have had some debates with Trevlac in the past, but we are both mature people, and it does not come to "You're stupid for believing in gong" followed by "Well you're going to hell since you don't"
Why? Because we have respect for the others beliefs. I have respect for serious Christians because they have heart. In the world of today, it seems that gong is gone, or to quote the Crucible (my school was putting on that play) - "God is Dead" - John Proctor.
But the people who believe, and strongly so, they face a world full of problems, and they manage to hold onto that faith that we are supposed to fix the world on our own.
Where the bible is concerned, as I was a Catholic for years and years, I have indeed read the bible, and I do find something interesting. If every story in the bible were true, gong changed from a dark, brooding, angry god, to being a calm, loving, and silent god. In the old testament, god speaks with many of his followers, Abraham, Isaac, etc. But in the new testament, he speaks only to Jesus. Why did he change? It's something that makes no sense in the bible.
Personally, I do believe that Jesus existed, because of the fact that there are records from the time of the Roman emperor, and a Jew named Jesus was crucified. So, it's a high chance that Jesus did exist. Whether he was a prophet, a philosopher, or a mad man is what I ponder. If he WAS the son of gong, and I'm wrong, so be it.
Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 10, 2006, 04:12:35 PM
Back to music business. Yes, subliminal messages happen everywhere, in almost anything, there's even some in the Bible. Bet you didnt know that one. Apperantly what i said about subliminal messages not making music evil, isnt making much difference.
In effect ALL CHAIN email are quite pathetic. I dont even read them, i can distinguish and before openning them, i delete them. I sugges some of you try a similiar strategy, cause personally, I don't like getting mad at my inbox.
And i know about mail chains; i have 5 friggin mails.
Post by: Desimodontidae on April 10, 2006, 06:24:25 PM
Post by: Drace on April 10, 2006, 06:53:29 PM
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Well, its not that the music itself is evil, it's how you interpret it. If you want to interpret it as evil then maybe you're the evil one for picking over all the song you can in every way to find satanic messages. If you're finding satanic messages in your favourite songs, re-evaluate yourself, not the music.
*Hugs Dessy*
Post by: Venator on April 10, 2006, 06:58:41 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 10, 2006, 07:32:21 PM
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More people died during the Crusades than have been murdered by every drive-by inspired by Rrap.
That's besides the point, the Crusades was many years ago. Christians aren't like that now, so it's a bad example.
Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 10, 2006, 07:42:49 PM
Post by: Venator on April 10, 2006, 08:02:02 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Venator
More people died during the Crusades than have been murdered by every drive-by inspired by Rrap.
That's besides the point, the Crusades was many years ago. Christians aren't like that now, so it's a bad example.
Christianity has probably killed more people than anyone else in the 20th Century; the spread of AIDS in the third world is due to a major part on the behalf of the Catholic Church (A Christian religion) for condemning contraception, which is morally stupid considering the climate in which we live in today. The idea is basically this; the more people we can produce who are Catholic means that we’ll have more Catholics. The fact that millions are now dying from a new epidemic, like the plague, doesn’t come into it. Those who believe that the Church actually believes in the sanctity of life know scarcly anything of it; people are simply used by the Church as a means of expendable cannon fodder, to provide the church with ‘support’ and above all money to pay for the extravagant temples that they build in the name of ‘God’, rather than put the money to the practical application of Christ’s philosophy.
And then you look at the shares in which the Catholic Church has in the Breweries that produce Alcohol, a drug that has caused untold misery for millions in the latter half of the 20th century with the increased availability of alcohol; Families being torn apart by alcoholic members, drink driving, death, alcohol poisoning, etc...
Post by: Razor on April 10, 2006, 08:53:35 PM
Post by: Venator on April 10, 2006, 09:10:27 PM
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Dude, lay off the Christians.
If I stated the fact that the nazis systematically murdered six million people, would you tell me to 'lay off the nazis'?
Facts are facts, and whether or not we like to admit them or not is besides the point.
The truth lives.
Post by: Riff Raff on April 10, 2006, 10:52:22 PM
And yeah, if the 6 mil were brought up, what about that?
Post by: charaman on April 10, 2006, 11:12:52 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Razor
Dude, lay off the Christians.
If I stated the fact that the nazis systematically murdered six million people, would you tell me to 'lay off the nazis'?
Facts are facts, and whether or not we like to admit them or not is besides the point.
The truth lives.
I hate to agree with a banned member, but the hierarchy is pretty much corrupt. I'm not bashing the religion, just saying that stuff goes on in there.
Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 10, 2006, 11:19:43 PM
Post by: Drace on April 11, 2006, 05:00:32 AM
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In accordance to the topic's main point, music is music. If people say stuff like "kill them Catholics," let them. Words are words. If those words are put into action, then there's something that needs to be done. However, songs always have underlying meanings, we know that. Whether we understand that or not is a different case. In video games, people say they will destroy God, but people never get offended by that. They just say, "Ahh, it's just a game." The same thing applies here- it's just a song.
*Hugs Rune*
Yay for smart people against this idiotic e-mail.
Post by: Big_Duke on April 11, 2006, 06:39:57 PM
And FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE,IT'S A SONG,IF A SONG IS EVIL THAN SO IS A PENCIL. <_< okay maybe not. But you get the point. Right?
I think.........
Post by: MrMister on April 11, 2006, 07:36:42 PM