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Title: Immigration issues..
Post by: Midnight9795 on April 11, 2006, 01:02:42 AM

I'm quite shocked that none has made a topic on this, and I'm curious to know everyones thoughts on this. I'm against this new move Bushie has made, is there anyone for it?

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Post by: HackersTotalMassLaser on April 11, 2006, 01:10:25 AM

Well I for one want to see more Asians in America. America doesn't have enough Asians.

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Post by: shadus on April 11, 2006, 01:13:18 AM

What dos it matter Charas is having our own Immigration issues...

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 11, 2006, 01:13:54 AM

You too? I don't really understand it, but they're talking about at Kaizoku-Fansubs.com as well. I know that they are protesting so that a bill can be signed into law, but I forgot what it was.

I think people should stop leaving their own countries, and try to better their homelands. I'm not against immigration or anything, and I do understand that it is very hard to do.

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Post by: MSlash67 on April 11, 2006, 01:14:07 AM

Well I did talk about this in American History class today and I was being a jackass when this went on:

Teacher: The illegal immigrants work for lower pay and send the money back to their home.
Me: We should build the great wall of mexico
Teacher: That would cost billions.
Me: we hire the mexicans to build it for low pay and leave them on the other side.

Anywho, the issue is they want to stay here but not pay taxes, there are millions living here. Illegally. I say shut down all borders. any immigrant must come through ellis island like my great grandfather did.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 11, 2006, 01:17:14 AM

Really? Well...if immigrants go bye bye, that just hurts our economy.. does it not? Immigrants are the most hardworking ppl in the US, not like most lazy americans XD

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 11, 2006, 01:18:57 AM

Well not Ellis Island. No one wants to go from Mexico to New York somewhere to Texas.  Still I don't think illegal immigrants should get rights, and be taxed. There should be extra non-citizen tax, like a work-tariff.  It's more incentive to get a green card.

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Post by: Darkfox on April 11, 2006, 01:19:05 AM

 

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Immigrants are the most hardworking ppl in the US, not like most lazy americans XD

Hey! I resemble that remark!

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 11, 2006, 01:19:42 AM

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Originally posted by MSlash67
Well I did talk about this in American History class today and I was being a jackass when this went on:

Teacher: The illegal immigrants work for lower pay and send the money back to their home.
Me: We should build the great wall of mexico
Teacher: That would cost billions.
Me: we hire the mexicans to build it for low pay and leave them on the other side.

Anywho, the issue is they want to stay here but not pay taxes, there are millions living here. Illegally. I say shut down all borders. any immigrant must come through ellis island like my great grandfather did.

XD XD XD XD XD

Immagration? I have nothing against it as long as the immagrant can speak english. In school, if we play any movies or anything in the auditorium we have to put up spanish subtitles. Directions, instructions, and pretty much everything comes in spanish too now, if people move into this country, they should at least take the time to learn the language.

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 11, 2006, 01:24:50 AM

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Originally posted by MSlash67 Well I did talk about this in American History class today and I was being a jackass when this went on: Teacher: The illegal immigrants work for lower pay and send the money back to their home. Me: We should build the great wall of mexico Teacher: That would cost billions. Me: we hire the mexicans to build it for low pay and leave them on the other side. Anywho, the issue is they want to stay here but not pay taxes, there are millions living here. Illegally. I say shut down all borders. any immigrant must come through ellis island like my great grandfather did.

XD XD XD XD XD

Immagration? I have nothing against it as long as the immagrant can speak english. In school, if we play any movies or anything in the auditorium we have to put up spanish subtitles. Directions, instructions, and pretty much everything comes in spanish too now, if people move into this country, they should at least take the time to learn the language.

In Wisconsin? For real? That's like the antipode (My English Teacher would kiss me) of Mexico!

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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 11, 2006, 01:30:38 AM

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Really? Well...if immigrants go bye bye, that just hurts our economy.. does it not? Immigrants are the most hardworking ppl in the US, not like most lazy americans XD

Not only is this totally slanderous but also absolutely false. Someone needs to turn off the idiot box and try to absorb credible information not fed to them by a liberal media.

Mexico's primary source of income, exceeding oil revenues, is money stolen out of the US economy and sent back there.


The Costs of Illegal Immigration
Illegals Cost Feds $10 Billion a Year; Amnesty Would Nearly Triple Cost
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html

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Post by: MrMister on April 11, 2006, 01:39:09 AM

Stolen? If immigrants are willing to work hard for less money, they can do what they want with it. Make a law that says they have to work for the same wages, and companies will have no incentive to hire them over citizens. Then they'd stop 'stealing' American money.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 11, 2006, 01:42:55 AM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by MSlash67 Well I did talk about this in American History class today and I was being a jackass when this went on: Teacher: The illegal immigrants work for lower pay and send the money back to their home. Me: We should build the great wall of mexico Teacher: That would cost billions. Me: we hire the mexicans to build it for low pay and leave them on the other side. Anywho, the issue is they want to stay here but not pay taxes, there are millions living here. Illegally. I say shut down all borders. any immigrant must come through ellis island like my great grandfather did. XD XD XD XD XD Immagration? I have nothing against it as long as the immagrant can speak english. In school, if we play any movies or anything in the auditorium we have to put up spanish subtitles. Directions, instructions, and pretty much everything comes in spanish too now, if people move into this country, they should at least take the time to learn the language.

In Wisconsin? For real? That's like the antipode (My English Teacher would kiss me) of Mexico!

Yup, our school also pays people to follow mexicans around to be their personal translators :/

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Post by: shadus on April 11, 2006, 01:44:30 AM

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Which is why the government should pass laws requiring minimum wages for illegal immigrants and allow more into the country, allowing poverty-stricken workers to get a job, and removing the incentive for companies to take advantage of them over normal citizens, by forcing them to pay minimum wage.

Or just blow up the plaint.Then we woun't have to care about little things.

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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 11, 2006, 01:45:10 AM

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Stolen? If immigrants are willing to work hard for less money, they can do what they want with it. Make a law that says they have to work for the same wages, and companies will have no incentive to hire them over citizens. Then they'd stop 'stealing' American money.

The money is stolen from the American economy and is funneled into Mexico's. Mexico would never allow such a cash cow to vanish.

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It goes far beyond simple practical matters. There are much larger issues at hand. In short, it is an invasion.

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Immigrants are not 'willing to work for less money' in the sense that they are somehow more reasonable than the American worker who chooses not to be exploited by companies. The do not know of 'more money.' of the money and rights which Americans had to fight for.

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Post by: Zeigue on April 11, 2006, 01:48:15 AM

There's a landscaping company in my town and theres about 5 percent white/american. The rest Mexican. It is not at all true that ppl with the Mexican ethnicity are the most hard working, in fact, thats bull$h!t... The American owner of the landscaping co. works harder than any Mexican i've seen around, so, whever you're from or whatever ethnicity you are has nothing to do with 'hard work' it's laziness, and dignity. Sorry if that sounds a bit racist but it's true. The whole protest thing is way out of hand, there's gonna be riots, and fights breaking out, it's all rediculous. If you weren't born in the USA, you dont just jump the border becuase you want freedom, you need to earn it. Our border policy is a joke. Is anybody surprised that at south of the border the same people we wanna give american jobs are laughing at us, laughing at our laws, because, every night thousands of Mexicans, stream across the border, like some damn pinata exploded. So to get to the point, if you're not born in America, don't jump over here, cause you don't deserve freedom if you had to get it ilegally.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 11, 2006, 02:06:04 AM

Me and some friends that are in a political group came up with an idea. The idea is that we allow these illegal immigrants to enter the country, but through a workers program. This will allow them to have something like a green card. The catch here is, those who want to be citizens can opt after 10 years the right to become a citizen or to return to Mexico. Those who don't want the permit will obviously be the ones who are problems, like drug lords and terrorists and whatever else. Now, I learned from the guys that researched this that illegals do pay taxes as well as citizens. Income tax and all that bull they pay. The only thing they aren't taxed for is Social Security. So, it does do something for our economy. The main problem here is the social benefits they are allowed to have, like welfare and scholarships and the like.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on April 11, 2006, 02:12:46 AM

yeah thats why we can hop better than anybody else =/

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Post by: Zeigue on April 11, 2006, 02:22:42 AM

Yeah that is a good idea you got there, but how do we get that to the government.... _sweat_

I mean any  Mexican/Puerto Rican or any other ethnicities like that, that come here legally i've got no problem with, but when you try to get your freedom ilegally, thats when the issue needs to be recognized and somethign need sot be done. Sorry if I offended anybody within my last post about this topic buit thats how I feel.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 11, 2006, 02:24:39 AM

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Yeah that is a good idea you got there, but how do we get that to the government.... _sweat_

Well, the best I can think of is lie a bit and make it sound like it'll benefit their pockets. Money makes people do things they wouldn't normally do.

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Post by: Zeigue on April 11, 2006, 02:28:10 AM

Very true. The government is fairly greedy, lol, just lookat our gas prices. But any-who, thats besides the fact, the fact is, theyres ilegal aliens protesting against immagration, when theyre the ones who started the problem in the first place. They're causing trouble here, and we've already got enough trouble in the world.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 11, 2006, 02:42:51 AM

I say the ones causing problems are put in jail or sent back to Mexico. If they want to protest our government and our country, get out. They obviously don't want to be here, so they shouldn't be.

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Post by: Razor on April 11, 2006, 08:03:34 PM

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Well I for one want to see more Asians in America. America doesn't have enough Asians.

You can take some of the Asians from Australia, please.
Most that I have to deal with think they are gangsters and roam around in gangs with weapons.

I'm not kidding.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 11, 2006, 08:51:03 PM

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Is anybody surprised that at south of the border the same people we wanna give american jobs are laughing at us, laughing at our laws, because, every night thousands of Mexicans, stream across the border, like some damn pinata exploded. So to get to the point, if you're not born in America, don't jump over here, cause you don't deserve freedom if you had to get it ilegally.

By god, what are you on? You were born in America, right? Does that give you the right to freedom? Are you saying that someone born in Mexico has less of a claim to freedom than you? Of course I'm against illegal immigration, but the way you're carrying on about Mexicans like they're the enemy is horrifying.

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Post by: Darth Wong on April 11, 2006, 10:08:48 PM

I say they should all be let in. Mexicans are the only thing keeping the US population from falling. Mexicans have big families!

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The "Kill 'em all" attitudes people have here seem quite Klannish.  

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 11, 2006, 11:19:29 PM

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I say they should all be let in. Mexicans are the only thing keeping the US population from falling. Mexicans have big families!

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The "Kill 'em all" attitudes people have here seem quite Klannish.  

They're illegal, hence not entering according to the LAW. And they DO NOT keep America's population from falling. The population is just fine as it is. If they'd just abide by the law, then things would be smooth. Or just go along with the plan I stated a few posts up. Your post is quite ignorant and holds no backing or anything innovative. How can anyone really take you seriously or hold it with any merit?

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Post by: Bluhman on April 11, 2006, 11:25:16 PM

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I say they should all be let in. Mexicans are the only thing keeping the US population from falling. Mexicans have big families!

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The "Kill 'em all" attitudes people have here seem quite Klannish.  

Ohohohohohohohoho!!!! You are so clever!
Ohohohohoho!!!! Yet I see you're quite "serious!"
Ohohohohoho!!!! I can't stop "laughing"!
Ohohohohohoho!!!! Why am I putting "some words" in "quotes"!?
Ohohohohohohohohohohoho!!!! This "is" Mad"ness"!

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Post by: Darth Wong on April 11, 2006, 11:46:05 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Wong I say they should all be let in. Mexicans are the only thing keeping the US population from falling. Mexicans have big families!  :guns:    :jumpin:   :frag:    |||||||||||| The "Kill 'em all" attitudes people have here seem quite Klannish.

They're illegal, hence not entering according to the LAW. And they DO NOT keep America's population from falling. The population is just fine as it is. If they'd just abide by the law, then things would be smooth. Or just go along with the plan I stated a few posts up. Your post is quite ignorant and holds no backing or anything innovative. How can anyone really take you seriously or hold it with any merit?

I beg to differ. The Eichmann report has indicated tha with a birth rate in mexican immigrants on 3.9 and an overall falling birthrate among the rest of the population that illegal immigration is needed to supply population both as direct immigrants and as their children and that the Us population, taking into account likely future factors such as climate conditions, light intensity gradients and the prevalence of neurological inefficiency sections the aforementioned levels of high poplulation growth are required both as a preventetive to population decrease and as a remedy to situational population deficciencies that Mexican Immigrabts with high biospectral  contingency rates and low flying public resource dependancy inversions there will, without a doubt be high levels of fluctuations in currenct sectional, regional and biological settlements requiring vast expenditure of government resources without the valid preventative measures there would in fact be a reduction in the US population by the year 2020 without projected levels of illegal immigration. It may not sound like the ideal solution but it is a necessity if the US is to continue as a world superpower in the future...

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 12, 2006, 12:13:25 AM

So, we're supposed to just break down our legal system to allow population to stay at stable levels? I won't bite it. First of all, take into account that these are PROSPECTIVE statistics. It doesn't mean it WILL happen, but it could possibly happen. Science in any form is all theory, so none of it is exactly accurate, unless it is a law. To be a superpower or not isn't the big issue. Many countries get along fine without being superpowers.

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Post by: Darth Wong on April 12, 2006, 12:19:12 AM

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So, we're supposed to just break down our legal system to allow population to stay at stable levels? I won't bite it. First of all, take into account that these are PROSPECTIVE statistics. It doesn't mean it WILL happen, but it could possibly happen. Science in any form is all theory, so none of it is exactly accurate, unless it is a law. To be a superpower or not isn't the big issue. Many countries get along fine without being superpowers.

You obviously haven't heard Thulman't law of population dynamics.

http://syranus.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16237&forumid=12&catid=6&page=2

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Post by: MrMister on April 12, 2006, 12:25:56 AM

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Originally posted by Rune_of_Punishment So, we're supposed to just break down our legal system to allow population to stay at stable levels? I won't bite it. First of all, take into account that these are PROSPECTIVE statistics. It doesn't mean it WILL happen, but it could possibly happen. Science in any form is all theory, so none of it is exactly accurate, unless it is a law. To be a superpower or not isn't the big issue. Many countries get along fine without being superpowers.

You obviously haven't heard Thulman't law of population dynamics.

 http://syranus.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16237&forumid=12&catid=6&page=2

Your Raffles is showing. Thulman was a damn fool! A FOOOOOOL!

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 12, 2006, 12:34:38 AM

Nice to know the site doesn't show up.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 12, 2006, 01:31:21 AM

Well, as the Imagration goes, I think it should be stopped. Low-wage aliens are taking jobs from educated people. Though most these jobs are in the south, and (to be as non-bias as possible) most more greatly educated people are in the north then in farmer territory, it doesn't seem like it would be a HUGE deal, but IMO it is.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 12, 2006, 01:46:52 AM

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Well, as the Imagration goes, I think it should be stopped. Low-wage aliens are taking jobs from educated people. Though most these jobs are in the south, and (to be as non-bias as possible) most more greatly educated people are in the north then in farmer territory, it doesn't seem like it would be a HUGE deal, but IMO it is.

Despite me being from the south, I agree with you on norterners being the more educated. The southern states seem to have more higher institutes of learning, but many of the top educational institutes are in the north.

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Post by: Drace on April 12, 2006, 02:22:05 AM

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Well I did talk about this in American History class today and I was being a jackass when this went on:

Teacher: The illegal immigrants work for lower pay and send the money back to their home.
Me: We should build the great wall of mexico
Teacher: That would cost billions.
Me: we hire the mexicans to build it for low pay and leave them on the other side.

Anywho, the issue is they want to stay here but not pay taxes, there are millions living here. Illegally. I say shut down all borders. any immigrant must come through ellis island like my great grandfather did.

Dude, Chinese guys are better. But then you'll have problems with those damned Mongolians.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 05:23:50 PM

So higher educated ppl should work in McDonalds? Sweep the floors in the school cafe? Most 'higher' educated people don't want these jobs, which is why immagrants take these jobs. It's not like they can get anything else since they don't really have an education or anything. I don't really see what the big deal is with letting them in. 'Americans' or white folk, weren't the first people here. In fact, they can be considered immagrants themselves. Native americans were here before them, so if this new immagration bill was passed during that time..then what? Do you still feel they should be thrown out?

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Originally posted by Midnight9795 Really? Well...if immigrants go bye bye, that just hurts our economy.. does it not? Immigrants are the most hardworking ppl in the US, not like most lazy americans XD

Not only is this totally slanderous but also absolutely false. Someone needs to turn off the idiot box and try to absorb credible information not fed to them by a liberal media.

Mexico's primary source of income, exceeding oil revenues, is money stolen out of the US economy and sent back there.


The Costs of Illegal Immigration
Illegals Cost Feds $10 Billion a Year; Amnesty Would Nearly Triple Cost
 http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html

Alright, well as we were taught up here in the north..Immagrants do help the economy, they do more stuff then most americans would. Some of them even go 'past' middle waged jobs, and actually become something. Also, just talking with my friends...this will make a deeper hole between the us and other countries..just a thought.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 12, 2006, 05:28:56 PM

While I believe we should stop the massive amounts of illegal immigration, I don't elieve it to be the best option. Can you honestly tell me that everyone whos unemployed in the US is willing to take a job for 3 dollars an hour? Many would say "I have no job, but thats not enough". If we kick out these immigrants, many of these jobs (notably farming) would remain empty, and that would devastate the economy.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 05:34:47 PM

Thank you, I think Bush is taking things to far..and when he leaves office, America is gonna be broken..

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 12, 2006, 05:40:21 PM

You really can't blame Bush for this. He is simply doing what many people said they wanted him to do. No one really came up and said "NO!" in the beginning. They were to ignorant to say "Stop" but now that its in motion they decide they need to say something. It's bullt****. Its the same thing as if you see someone about to shoot a man but ignore it, then scream "DON'T!" after he's pulled the trigger. Americans, in general, are lazy. We didn't wanna get up and say "No" until we thought "Oh ****".

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 06:15:29 PM

True, but I kinda feel that even if we did try..our cries will fall on deafd ears, ya know? I personally think Bush is someone who shouldn't EVER be in office. Oh yeah, and if he's listening so well..then why are so many soliders still in Iraq? Why are they stuck there til 2008? The year when he's out of office? Just a thought  :D

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Post by: Drace on April 12, 2006, 07:20:10 PM

Like I said a thousand times. Blame The Patriots. Or the La-Li-Lu-Li-Le or whatever you wanna call 'em. They're the ones in charge.

On serious note, can't really say I can discuss with you guys unless you info me a little better. Like, what's going on? They ain't gonna kick out Carlos Mencia are they?

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Post by: DS 4 Evah on April 12, 2006, 07:30:22 PM

Who the heck would clean my house??  How would we populate the asian massage parors without illegal immigration??

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 12, 2006, 08:22:08 PM

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Oh yeah, and if he's listening so well..then why are so many soliders still in Iraq? Why are they stuck there til 2008? The year when he's out of office? Just a thought  :D

Because he's trying to get the job done. If we were to leave now, you can't tell me they could stabalize themselves. But think, we went over to Iraq because the American populus demanded it, but now that it wasn't a "Just add water" immediate result deal, we start to whine. The US people are used to getting what they want when they want it. Fast food, 1 hour-foto, unless we get it when we say "Now" we give up.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 12, 2006, 08:37:38 PM

At the moment, I do believe that there is around a 3-5% unemployment rate for ages 21-50.

Because aliens arn't in the cenus....

Just something to consider.

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Post by: Sister Dezi on April 12, 2006, 10:29:18 PM

I dont see as how letting more "different" poeple in is such a good idea at all.  Did y'all see even signs at WalMart is in mexican now?

Dezi

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 10:46:29 PM

Truth, you got that one. Americans are lazy, and whine like children. We tend to be ungrateful for what we have, whereas immagrants take what they can get. What's happening now, is kind've like what they're doing here in New York but classwise. The government is picking up the rent to like almost 2000 for most lower middle class people. They're removing programs like welfare, section 8, and so forth. Apparently, within the next four years all these programs will be gone and there will be alot of poor folk in New York. What a pretty picture it will paint to fellow tourists who I dislike strongly, -.-*

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 13, 2006, 11:19:31 AM

Now you're just generalizing. Not all Americans are lazy. The ones who don't take the manual labor jobs see themselves doing better things. I wouldn't do a manual labor job because it is a waste of my intelligence. There are people willing to do those jobs, they're just overshadowed by the immigrants (illegal or legal). In most other countries, they don't make the kind of money we make. They get paid less and they come over here to make a better living. Some just come over to get away from a corrupt government. Anyway, to say that Americans are lazy and that immigrants are the only ones who will take the "hard" jobs is a major generalization and hardly true.