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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Omega Weapon on April 12, 2006, 07:49:31 AM

Title: Your favourite Final Fantasy and why?
Post by: Omega Weapon on April 12, 2006, 07:49:31 AM: Omega Weapon is very much infatuated with Final Fantasy to this day!! To this day!!!!

Final Fantasy shall always hold a very special place in our heart....

There are countless good things to be said about it. The games never tried to be more than what they were. The games were better than many movies created these days and just as good as old books of olden yore.

Omega Weapon shall hold a special place in its heart for Final Fantasy 2/4, for telling such a wonderful story. Dont you wonder what has happened with 'that moon'? With Mars? Omega Weapon believes the 'red moon' was Mars. and it had the mars face on it which is probably the game makers trying to solidfy the myth in their own way.

Final Fantasy 3/6 was exceptional in that it had so much content, so many stories. Omega Weapon cares little for the more recent stories of new science fiction films, or films in general! What if by chance FF6 had a different story and the story of Terra and Locke was turned into a film now???? It would suck!!

There is a hidden element which makes you care about the characters and their struggles which is totally absent from fiction in our times!! It brings repulsion to Omega Weapon!!!

Final Fantasy games were never perfect but they never tried to be!! They did not try to get teenagers who like race carting into it! Have you ever tried to get a thug or basketball player to play Final Fantasy game like a racecar game???? It could bring the most stoutest of poets to tears. Final Fantasy was for people who could appreciate beauty and we are all those.

We are angery and sodium that such beauty, created by such a limited bit engine is not admonished by all. Everything Omega Weapon sees now, the Metal Gear Solids, the Halos, the DooM 3s, the Need For Speeds, the Grand Theft Autos, the games for people lacking in spiritual and heroic satisfaction are nothing more than enhancments made towards the same stupid racing car game for idiots!

Not even Zelda is the same anymore! Final Fantasy now? Just like a good story-game, Warcraft, is nothing more than a money-making machine for people who do not care!

That is why independant game makers are the only hope for the taste of beauty left in this story-telling, parallel to films, folklore and books.

Video games can be mindless entertainment for some people but more for other peoples. They can convey a story. They can be better than the crap on the Television or Radio.

That was a tangent but we needed to vent because Omega Weapon finds himself playing the same FFs and Chrono Triggers as we did 5 years ago! Breath of Fire was good too.

Why do not all of the gamers of Charas not form a single project and kick ***???
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 12, 2006, 10:24:32 AM: FF9 is my fav, simply because Zidane looks like David Bowie in his later years.
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Post by: nick912012 on April 12, 2006, 10:56:02 AM: Final Fantasy Adventure.... if it counts >_<;;.

I've never really been a turn based fan and FFA's Japanese name is Seiken Densetsu and they named it FFA for marketing reasons.
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Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on April 12, 2006, 11:07:47 AM: I would have to go with Tatics, I love the game and I've beaten the whole game more than once.

I like it so much because of the story depth. Every character you meet plays a important role. I love the battle system. The game looks clean and has it's own style that most tactic games followed afterwards.
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Post by: Drace on April 12, 2006, 12:10:29 PM: IX on the whole and X's Auron and Seymour story.
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Post by: 69_so_fine on April 12, 2006, 12:21:54 PM: I dont relly have one so ill sum it up in a top three
1.Final Fantasy 7(please dont shoot me FF7 Haters)
2.FFT
3.FF8(Not relly a fav but its the one im playing through right now)
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 12, 2006, 12:46:18 PM: In order, favourite first

FF7
FF6
FF9
FFX
FF5
FF8
FF1
FF4
FF2
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Post by: shadus on April 12, 2006, 01:21:36 PM: 9.Best story by far.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 12, 2006, 01:34:42 PM: 9. It's just a generally more fun game for me to play than the rest.
Title: Agreed with FFL2and3rocks, shadus
Post by: RPG LORD on April 12, 2006, 02:00:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Omega Weapon is very much infatuated with Final Fantasy to this day!! To this day!!!!

Final Fantasy shall always hold a very special place in our heart....

There are countless good things to be said about it. The games never tried to be more than what they were. The games were better than many movies created these days and just as good as old books of olden yore.

Omega Weapon shall hold a special place in its heart for Final Fantasy 2/4, for telling such a wonderful story. Dont you wonder what has happened with 'that moon'? With Mars? Omega Weapon believes the 'red moon' was Mars. and it had the mars face on it which is probably the game makers trying to solidfy the myth in their own way.

Final Fantasy 3/6 was exceptional in that it had so much content, so many stories. Omega Weapon cares little for the more recent stories of new science fiction films, or films in general! What if by chance FF6 had a different story and the story of Terra and Locke was turned into a film now???? It would suck!!

If you are referring to FF2, call it FF2. If you are referring to FF4, call it FF4. If you are referring to FF3, call it FF3. If you are referring to FF6, then also call it FF6. A crossing between two games is impossible, so please refer properly to them.

Here's my whole list, from best to worst in my humble opinion. (although, I can't really speak about the last one.)

First and specially,
FF4. First FF I ever finished. I loved it back then. (although, emulation like usual. Still waiting for a European version of FFIVA.)
FF2. Great game, great battle system. Characters actually die. Alot different from the first, too.
FF8. Everything. Although, summon boosting sometimes goes bothersome. Also wish I had Triple limit breaks.
FF5. Fun to play, fun story, etcetera.
FF3. This should be higher but I don't play it very oftenly. (seeing as it hasn't been released out of Japan it's easier to get it on .nes file than on cartridge.)
FF9. Should also be higher, but I stopped playing it for a long time after accidentally oversaving a save at Memoria with one at Evil Forest.
FF1. Fun game. It entertains alot and contains great stuff in it, but it gets tiring after a few times playing through the game.
FF7. Actually, not much..
FF10. Doesn't really hit me much to try and play.
FF6. PSX version sucks arse. Also should get a complete re-translation, because I don't wanna use 'Merton' on an enemy.
FF11. Impossible to play for me, due to monthly fees. URGH.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 12, 2006, 02:18:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by shadus
9.Best story by far.

Actually compared to other FF games, 9 has less story development. They pile it on near the end.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 12, 2006, 02:22:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
In order, favourite first

FF7
FF6
FF9
FFX
FF5
FF8
FF1
FF4
FF2

Omega Weapon can barely fathom a person choosing FF1 over FF2/4

However, Omega Weapon always enjoyed the challenge of the Marsh Cave.

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Originally posted by RPG LORD

If you are referring to FF2, call it FF2. If you are referring to FF4, call it FF4. If you are referring to FF3, call it FF3. If you are referring to FF6, then also call it FF6. A crossing between two games is impossible, so please refer properly to them.

No, Omega Weapon will refer to them as Omega Weapon sees fit. There is little distinction between the games mentioned or their variants, because they are mere variants at least when it comes to Final Fantasy 2 easytype and Final Fantasy 4.

FF3 is also identical to FF6, so please do not muddle them.

Omega Weapon does not acknowledge the PS games btw - they are merely cash-machines made by a company scared that their old games were being downloaded.

We agree with your list.

And in response to other posts, Omega Weapon is kicking himself for not recalling the Game Boy games. They were gems in themselves and far more enthralling than more recent games. The music was also top-notch as well. :D
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Post by: Grandy on April 12, 2006, 02:40:47 PM: FF9, because of the characters.
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Post by: Cerebus on April 12, 2006, 02:49:31 PM: FF9 and FF4 because I like the Character and the story. ( although I didn't understand FF4's since I play it in japanese )
FF1 and FF2 are good too, but it's turn based... also, what I didn't like in FF2 is when you get, like, Leon who has 1000 something HP but all other Character are in the 6000. The fact that you get ultima, the ultimate magic... but must level it up because all magic you get are level 1... But, apart from this, FF2 was good.
Never played FF3, FF5, FF6 nor FF11.
I didn't really like FF7... don't know why...
I didn't like FF8 and FF10 at all.
That's for the FF followed by a number.
I liked FFTA. Lots of classes.
Didn't really liked FFL that much.
Currently playing FFL2. Not the greatest, but pretty good.
Never played FFT, FFL3, FFA nor all the others I forgot.
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 12, 2006, 03:41:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon

No, Omega Weapon will refer to them as Omega Weapon sees fit. There is little distinction between the games mentioned or their variants, because they are mere variants at least when it comes to Final Fantasy 2 easytype and Final Fantasy 4.

FF3 is also identical to FF6, so please do not muddle them.

Omega Weapon does not acknowledge the PS games btw - they are merely cash-machines made by a company scared that their old games were being downloaded.

We agree with your list.

In case you haven't noticed yet, Final Fantasy III and VI have nothing in common with eachother except for the thing they called 'Rhodox' in FF6. FF3 contains Light Warriors, Onion Knights and Crystals. FF6 doesn't have this at all. It only has annoying music, ugly (well-made, but ugly) graphics, and a world that evolved far too fast from some FF principals before. There is only a FF2 Easytype in the PSX and GBA versions of FF2. FF2US is equivalent to FF4 with alot of things censored and removed, unlike FF4 Easytype in which they still had certain things. FF4 Easytype had a different version of Zeromus the final boss, just for example of it. I don't have any reason to be argueing and I don't want to.
(Now I want to get back on-topic..)
I agree with Cerebus for a part.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 12, 2006, 03:48:20 PM: In other words Omega, you've fallen into the trap of thinking that Final Fantasy two and three are names for four and six. This is wrong, they are in fact games in their own right. Americans call FF6 FF3, because the real FF3 never actually came out in America.
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 12, 2006, 03:51:47 PM: I wonder how that'd turn out for their game ratings if FF3 DS would actually get finished and come outside of Japan.
I wonder where they're keeping that project though. Haven't heard anything of it for ages.
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 12, 2006, 04:08:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RPG LORD

In case you haven't noticed yet, Final Fantasy III and VI have nothing in common with eachother except for the thing they called 'Rhodox' in FF6. FF3 contains Light Warriors, Onion Knights and Crystals. FF6 doesn't have this at all. It only has annoying music, ugly (well-made, but ugly) graphics, and a world that evolved far too fast from some FF principals before. There is only a FF2 Easytype in the PSX and GBA versions of FF2. FF2US is equivalent to FF4 with alot of things censored and removed, unlike FF4 Easytype in which they still had certain things. FF4 Easytype had a different version of Zeromus the final boss, just for example of it. I don't have any reason to be argueing and I don't want to.
(Now I want to get back on-topic..)
I agree with Cerebus for a part.

Omega Weapon does not wish to argue but this is nothing more than a misunderstanding. Omega Weapon chose to slash 2/4 and 3/6 for the exact same reason it is being explained now; there are more or less the same but those not as savvy as others might not get the difference as Sir has.

FF2 - NES/Famicon version was not much of a step up. The story progressed strangely and there wasn't much to care about.

FF3 - NES surprised us greatly. It was like an SNES game by the content crammed into it. It was the antithesis of Final Fantasy 8, which consisted mostly of inane subquests which require serious 'wandering around time' and summons which lasted ages. The only saving grace was the final dungeon and mostly everything in it.

Every time you thought it was over, another world/dimension/city in the sky appeared! The music in the final map was creepy and FF3 seemed to be the first to present a universal balance to the world.

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
In other words Omega, you've fallen into the trap of thinking that Final Fantasy two and three are names for four and six. This is wrong, they are in fact games in their own right. Americans call FF6 FF3, because the real FF3 never actually came out in America.

Wow, really?
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 12, 2006, 04:18:21 PM: Ah, if you meant FF2 to FF4, then I apologise.
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Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on April 12, 2006, 04:29:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
In other words Omega, you've fallen into the trap of thinking that Final Fantasy two and three are names for four and six. This is wrong, they are in fact games in their own right. Americans call FF6 FF3, because the real FF3 never actually came out in America.

<.< Yeah.. but you can always download a translated ROM.
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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 05:07:08 PM: I can't decide between two...Final Fantasy 6 & 8...I just loved their plots, music..just everything about them, lol. I always find myself humming a tune from ff8 at random moments. I haven't played it in a few years tho thanks to my cousin _veryangry_
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 12, 2006, 05:40:55 PM: Disk scratch?
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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 12, 2006, 06:16:16 PM: More like dented, -.-**
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Post by: Drace on April 12, 2006, 07:16:28 PM: I'd like to say to Omega Weapon. Dude, TALK NORMAL. You'r third person talk is freaking me out. At least Al~Len could get away with it.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on April 12, 2006, 07:27:23 PM: 9, definitely. It was the first I really ever actually played. I mean I had seen and tried 7 before that, but not really gone too far with it. 9 was the first I ever owned and beat, but I also just like it the best for some reason. After that I'd say 8. I was very hooked on that for a while. Then I'd say 7 and 4 are probably tied. I liked 4's music better, but I enjoyed them both the same. After that I'd probably say 1, and then 2. I didn't like 2 that much due to it's level up system. I prefer the traditional style, especially because I found leveling up spells in 2 was really hard. I haven't played any of the other numbered final fantasies, except some of 6 and a rom of 5 where I couldn't read anything, and I saw and played a bit of 10 at my friend's house. They all seemed decent, but I can't really judge them.

As for other FFs (which I guess could only be tactical FFs), I've played FFTA but not FFT. I liked FFTA a lot though. I'd probably put it just under 7 and 4.
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Post by: Shady Ultima on April 12, 2006, 08:01:19 PM: Hmm, FF7, FF1, and FFTA I have played.

To be honest, I think all the FF's are overrated. That's my opiniong.
I enjoyed FF7, but it wasn't as good as the Namco Tales series. I love the battle system in that series.

I only beat FF7 and 1 cause I have a thing where every game I play I have to beat. I haven't beat TA only cause i ran outta batteries for my GBA
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Post by: Almeidaboo on April 12, 2006, 08:08:09 PM: Suikoden V...

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Alright, FF7. Cause of Story, Characters, Cyperpunk theme and system.
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 12, 2006, 08:30:07 PM: FF for the nes was my favorite cause its the first game i played when i was younger.

Tactics is my most favorite cause it just owns. :D
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 12, 2006, 08:39:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
FF9 is my fav, simply because Zidane looks like David Bowie in his later years.
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Post by: chronoman on April 12, 2006, 09:00:16 PM: FF6 and FFTA Anyway I loved the range of characters on 6 and FFTA had an awsome battlesystem as well as a huge range of classes.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 12, 2006, 09:18:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by chronoman
FFTA had an awsome battlesystem as well as a huge range of classes.

FFT for the ps had more classes.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 12, 2006, 09:38:09 PM: FFTA was a great game, but I just wish it was at least a bit more difficult. I don't like killing bosses in a few hits. >_<
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Post by: Grandy on April 12, 2006, 10:11:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Meiscool
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Originally posted by chronoman
FFTA had an awsome battlesystem as well as a huge range of classes.

FFT for the ps had more classes.

Buit only humans.

Not that I'm complaining. Moogles aren't made for battle, thei're made to be sold as plushies.
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Post by: Scarface Larry on April 12, 2006, 10:14:32 PM: In order of teh 1337ness, to me at least,

9, It was the only FF to have me hooked in the intro.
6, Incredible story, wonderful chars, intuitive magic system and the most demented clown ever.
10, Great story, I like the new battle system and the music was great.
7, I hated it's overhypedness and I know there are better games, but it was still an excellent game.
5, It's story was lacking, but the job system more than made up for it.
Tactics, The awesome story and great gameplay.
4, An okay story (don't kill me, please) and lacking graphics, but I still love it.
1, A classic masterpiece.
2, Another classic, I just loved it's leveling system.
3, I've never played it to the end, I never really got passed the intro, but what I saw, I liked.
8, "meh" story, I didn't really like the chars, but Junctioning and Drawing were what made it a good game.
11, <_< I'm too poor.

Personally, I liked the Xenoseries (Xenogears, Xenosaga) and The tales series better than FF.

Don't hurt me...
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 12, 2006, 11:20:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks
FFTA was a great game, but I just wish it was at least a bit more difficult. I don't like killing bosses in a few hits. >_<

That's one thing I liked about FFT. It was hard at many points. I mean, FE, Advanced Wars, ect, were rather easy to me. FFT was what I liked, moderate difficulty.
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Post by: shadus on April 12, 2006, 11:22:59 PM: I like most of the FF's I've played.The only one I don't like was 8. All the characters where the same in battle.I mean there limits weren't but when your just doing plain fighting they can all do the same attacks and magic.Also I hated how they forced to go out and find stuff to make your weapons.
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Post by: Archem on April 12, 2006, 11:28:53 PM: In order:
FFT
FF7
FFTA
FF9

I loved FFT's story, it was truly epic, and the (at the time) unique battle was what really caught my interest. Since then, I've been hooked to strategy games of all kinds, and have been infatuated with similar stories of grand proportions.

FF7 is truly something to behold: a game that spans a massive 3 discs, has what I consider to be the best music from the series, an undeniably original and captivating story and setting, unforgettable characters, and so many side quests and secrets (for the FF series, at least), I couldn't put the game down.

I originally bought FFTA out of my love for the first Tactics, and I can say that the only letdown I felt from the game was a weak story. Unfortunately, that placed the game in my third-place spot. I loved the improvements in the battle system, but the world seemed a bit small, the landscapes a little less breathtaking, and the difficulty to be a bit less daunting. It's almost my favorite, though. A very close tie for first.

FF9, to me, returned to the roots of Final Fantasy, and had some of the best and most brilliant characters in a long time. Vivi is still my favorite FF character ever. Also, the skill learning system still holds a place in my heart.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 12, 2006, 11:30:32 PM: ...you've done something wrong if all your chars are the same in battle shadus... its up to you to make them different.

and scarface larry, how on earth can you judge a 1992-4 game (someone please correct me) on graphics!?

My favourite is actually... FF2 :P
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Post by: Shadowless1 on April 13, 2006, 12:08:14 AM: My favourite is FF9 because of the story

favourites, more to less

1.FFIX
2.FFVII
3.FFT
4.FFIV
5.FFX
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 13, 2006, 12:12:18 AM: Well Leon, maybe he ment like lacking cool eplosion effects in cutseens and stuff. But, there wasn't much a difference from FF4 and 5's graphics anyways.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 13, 2006, 12:18:12 AM: True =/ ah well, both are classics, miles better (IMO) than anything SE can cough up nowadays
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Post by: chronoman on April 13, 2006, 12:28:24 AM: I never played fft for a couple reasons.
1.I only have seen the case once in my life at a pawn shop for $20 when I only had $10.

2.I now live in a place where games that are good are impossible to get unless I go on vacation.
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Post by: Raen Ryong on April 13, 2006, 12:31:23 AM: Final Fantasies have been a passion of mine ever since I played FF7 when I was about 7... ah, memories...

In order of favourites;

1, FF7 -- Some say overrated. I think not. Especially for the time it came out, it had an amazing storyline, characters, secrets etc. I mean, when this came out, storylines were nowhere near that well developed... and chocobo racing. Gotta love it.

2, FFX -- Has a lot of good and bad points. Lack of world map cost it its chance at being in first place, but on the plus side good voice acting (imo), nice characters, amazing atmosphere, transcendent music track and incredibly brilliant emotive scenes. And of course, for the more suicidal among us, the challenge of beating all of the Dark Aeons (without Zanmato -- don't be cheap). Took me ages...

3, FF9 -- Pretty much what everyone else said. Really good soundtrack too - Protecting My Devotion being a highlight, as well as The Dark Messenger. Chocobo Hot & Cold was an amazing minigame...

4, FF8 -- Why did people complain the junction system was too difficult? I honestly could never comprehend how people can find it difficult... very good FF. The whole Orphanage plot device is a very good, emotive one. Biggest flaw: Disc 4. I mean, it makes sense storyline-wise to not allow you back into towns, but it sure as hell makes it a lot less fun. Needed more sidequests, also.

5, FF6 -- Extremely nice. Many characters allowing for diverse teams and a long game. 2 World Maps too -- amazing. Kefka was a bit stereotype though, not that any of the other villains weren't back then. The eight dragons as secret bosses are a bit on the easy side, but hey...

6, FF5 -- Nice and fairly challenging at places. Not an incredible amount of characterisation, but 3 World Maps are amazing. Plus, the Big Bridge music rules. Omega and Shinryu were fairly challenging secret bosses.

7, FFX-2 -- Here's where the quality drops somewhat. Very disappointing - but it all becomes clear WHY Final Fantasy always starts with a whole new world. As the whole world was already introduced to us, it felt more like an "expansion pack" than a game. The whole Lenne/Shuyin theme was quite good, but compared to the other FFs... A Thousand Words was an amazing track, as was Demise (vs Shuyin). The Via Infinito is challenging, but very tedious.

8, FF1 -- Nothing in particular too wrong with this game, just due to its time it cannot compare with the others. Would have been incredible for its time though. NO SECRET BOSSES!

9, FF4 -- I didn't really like this one... I found the plot quite boring to be honest, and the characters the same. Cecil and Kain were about the only interesting ones, and Cecil's White Magic is useless as he only learns to Cure2 as I remember. Challenging FF, though. Bahamut was challenging, Asura also.

10, FF2 -- I hated the level up system. Just because of it, I found this one of the hardest FFs. A big challenge the whole way through.

Meis, FE is easy but have you tried the harder difficulty modes? Fe7 (Blazing Sword) which is number 1 for gba is very easy unless you're playing on Eliwood's Hard Mode or Hector's Hard Mode. The older games were much harder...

Well, there we go. My contribution. I consider myself somewhat of an FF pro :p
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 13, 2006, 12:43:51 AM: FF2 's system is soo easy to cheat XD
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Post by: MrMister on April 13, 2006, 12:53:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by chronoman
2.I now live in a place where games that are good are impossible to get unless I go on vacation.

Yes. eBay is impossible.

FF1 sucks if you aren't 6.
FF2 more story oriented I guess not great.
FF3 Fuxxin amazing, Onion Kid is the best class.
FF4 Good characters and fights.. it's pretty good.
FF5 Worst execution of the job system besides 1, but at least it's in there.
FF6 Better story than all of it's predecessors, good characters, Ultros was funny.
FF7 is overrated because the cliche characters appeal to little kids. Tifa perpetuates negative body images, and Aerith is like Mandy Moore's character in A Walk to Remember.. you know she dies, and you can't wait for it to happen.
FF8 UNDERRATED, because those same little kids who fell in love with 7 couldn't handle a slightly more complex game. Awesome card game.
FF9 Even awesomer card game, great characters, although they seem a little shallow at times.
FF10 Worst voice acting award goes to.. Ugh, can't Yuna piece together a God damn sentence?! Blitzball almost redeems this steaming pile, but the repetitive orb puzzles make me kill people.
FF11 Oh boy, I may have spent the last 4 hours getting together a group to kill this dumb f**king dragon, but at least we finally got enough people! WHAT?! EVERYONE HAS TO LEAVE?!??!? NOOOO
FFX-2 Whereas FF10 was for girly boys, 10-2 is for girls. Story doesn't fit with the 10, and they shouldn't have continued it. The summoner becomes a pop-star, f**king COOL.

FFT Good story because it's complicated ;) Awesome classes. An unnessacery but cool none-the-less option to persuade monsters and make them have babies, like Chocobos which can act as mounts for any character. The shiznit, son.
FFTA I was hoping for a port. I was disappointed. All these gay freaking dogs and lizards in my group.. so when I see 'Red Mage', I get excited, but, OH WAIT, not for humans. Then I get to decide where locations are, oh neat. It's only propositions, and they are worse than the ones in FFT. Actually, worse than the ones in Suikoden Tactics. But that's a story for another day.
FF: Mystic Quest Dumb story, dumb fighting, dumb everything else.
FFLand Fun on a bun! I want to beeeee... a robot.
FFAdventure If I'm not mistaken, the English version of the first game in the ___ of Mana series. Points for that.
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Post by: Raen Ryong on April 13, 2006, 01:03:49 AM: Quote
The summoner becomes a pop-star, f**king COOL.

Yeah, that was pretty crappy, wasn't it? Plus no summonable Aeons... meh. I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but in this I am in complete agreement :D
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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 13, 2006, 01:07:43 AM: Quote
FF7 is overrated because the cliche characters appeal to little kids. Tifa perpetuates negative body images, and Aerith is like Mandy Moore's character in A Walk to Remember.. you know she dies, and you can't wait for it to happen.

LOL, omg that was so true!!
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Post by: Majin Deathshade on April 13, 2006, 01:35:48 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Why do not all of the gamers of Charas not form a single project and kick ***???[/B]

Probably because not one of us can agree to anything worth a darn... I agree with Omega Weapon on his starting this topic... I also like his idea that I quoted...

Anyway, I like FF7 & FF9... in my opinion, FF8 was lousy...

Here's an idea... release FF3(the real FF3, not FF6), and re-release FF Mystic Quest, in the same package... They could call it FFR, as in "Final Fantasy Reloaded"...

*Prepares to be flamed & trolled by the people who don't like MQ*

*Hasn't even played MQ, and therefore has no idea why he's only heard bad things about it*
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 13, 2006, 02:03:28 AM: Yes! Final Fantasy Mystic quest was also of good quality. Although it was for kids the music was great!

Omega Weapon just tried to search for the best midi mix of Doom Castle but can't find the URL anymore. It does not have those overpowering tinkle bells play so loud.

We are very glad to see healthy discussion, which in itself demonstrates how unique the Final Fantasy series was.

Has anyone given thought into making an actual Final Fantasy with RPG maker? Many would probably not out of hesitation. No one wants to be called pretentious for trying to create an FF game but calling it FF would give the project a scope. Final Fantasy games have a flow to them which could guide any maker out of writer's block

But about Mystic Quest - what if the maps and everything were re-created but the battle system was like FF games??? It would be a great 'mix' of a game.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 13, 2006, 02:12:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon

Has anyone given thought into making an actual Final Fantasy with RPG maker? Many would probably not out of hesitation. No one wants to be called pretentious for trying to create an FF game but calling it FF would give the project a scope. Final Fantasy games have a flow to them which could guide any maker out of writer's block

it has been tried many times... and failed many more...
Don't ask me how that works out
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Post by: Linkizcool on April 13, 2006, 02:14:49 AM: NEVER make an FF game with RPG maker. Even if it is good, I promise you NO ONE of value will play it. Mostly cuz people try to make the games EXACTLY like the originals, but with different names. You might as well just create your own name, not "final fantasy strategies advance". People already know that the game will pertain to FFTA.

And Mystic Quest is your prime example on how not to make an RPG.
Example:
*Random Guy Pops Up*
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"A girl name Pheobe will be important to your quest"

Five more minutes of game time:
*Random girl pops up*
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"Whats your name?

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"Pheobe"

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Really? I'm coming with you!

Honestly, if I saw something like that in A Blurred Line or Kindred Saga or Shichimenchouken, I would freak. The rape scene in Shichi was enough.
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Post by: Oi on April 13, 2006, 02:31:45 AM: FF6 - Well generated story, lovly characters. FF9 - Lovable and heart-warminmg characters.

Tie

FF5 and ff3 - Awesome jobs, didnt like FF3's job system much though...

Tie

FF4 - Lovable characters, great storyline... should be up there with 5 and 3... oh well...

Not tie..

FF2 - Wow... I just completed this game and it sorta... Took over FF7's place. This was really amazing. The Dos version was incredible. It makes me want to play it again!

FF7 - Well developed characters. Didn't mind Sephiroth and Cloud much though.... Tifa all the way! She can kick aerse... or should I say Aerith...

I say meh to the other FFs... FF12 could Take FF7's place again.. but I hope not. I am tring to like FF7 as best as I can... Its just so hard...

(Never played FF11 or X-2... Or the tactics series. I like Crystal Chronicles though, but never reeally played it)
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Post by: Omega Weapon on April 13, 2006, 03:10:18 AM: Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was a good RPG in our opinion and sometimes it is best to look from the perspective of a player and not an artistic designer.

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Even if it is good, I promise you NO ONE of value will play it.

Could sir elaborate? This sounds like all people try to do is please and impress other game designers.
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 13, 2006, 08:31:21 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Yes! Final Fantasy Mystic quest was also of good quality. Although it was for kids the music was great!

Omega Weapon just tried to search for the best midi mix of Doom Castle but can't find the URL anymore. It does not have those overpowering tinkle bells play so loud.

We are very glad to see healthy discussion, which in itself demonstrates how unique the Final Fantasy series was.

Has anyone given thought into making an actual Final Fantasy with RPG maker? Many would probably not out of hesitation. No one wants to be called pretentious for trying to create an FF game but calling it FF would give the project a scope. Final Fantasy games have a flow to them which could guide any maker out of writer's block

But about Mystic Quest - what if the maps and everything were re-created but the battle system was like FF games??? It would be a great 'mix' of a game.

I tried to start on one but lost my motivation for it.
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Post by: auron xxl on April 13, 2006, 09:02:49 AM: My favourite FF is Final Fantasy 7! Because it has the best Story ever made for FF! There is only one name i have to say: Aeris :flower:

Greets Auron XXL
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Post by: Cerebus on April 13, 2006, 03:06:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Raen Ryong
FF4 -- I didn't really like this one... I found the plot quite boring to be honest, and the characters the same. Cecil and Kain were about the only interesting ones, and Cecil's White Magic is useless as he only learns to Cure2 as I remember. Challenging FF, though. Bahamut was challenging, Asura also.

You found Bahamut challenging!?! Damn, I think it was the easiest one. Just had to cast Reflect on everyone ( if some died, just revive them ) and Bahamut's Mega Flare reflected on him.

FFMQ wasn't really good... Battle system and map were bad... Some good music, though, but other FF have better music.

Also, I wanted to make a FF on RPG Maker only because I used FF graphics.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on April 13, 2006, 04:29:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Midnight9795

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FF7 is overrated because the cliche characters appeal to little kids. Tifa perpetuates negative body images, and Aerith is like Mandy Moore's character in A Walk to Remember.. you know she dies, and you can't wait for it to happen.

LOL, omg that was so true!!

What do you mean by "negative body images"?
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 13, 2006, 07:32:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by auron xxl
My favourite FF is Final Fantasy 7! Because it has the best Story ever made for FF! There is only one name i have to say: Aeris :flower:

Greets Auron XXL

It's Aerith. Beats me how come they changed it to Aeris.
I wish you could choose whether to play on the side of the good guys or the bad guys in a FF game.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on April 13, 2006, 07:45:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Cerebus
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Originally posted by Raen Ryong
FF4 -- I didn't really like this one... I found the plot quite boring to be honest, and the characters the same. Cecil and Kain were about the only interesting ones, and Cecil's White Magic is useless as he only learns to Cure2 as I remember. Challenging FF, though. Bahamut was challenging, Asura also.

You found Bahamut challenging!?! Damn, I think it was the easiest one. Just had to cast Reflect on everyone ( if some died, just revive them ) and Bahamut's Mega Flare reflected on him.

I wonder if I'm the only one who beat Bahamut without using reflect. I did it such a ridiculous way though. I just timed Kain's jump so he would never get hit. Everyone else died, but I was just focused on winning. Though in the end, I wish I had known about the reflect method so everyone else could have taken in part in the massive amount of experience.
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Post by: Poncho on April 13, 2006, 07:48:58 PM: Top 3, in order:

1: FF7 (Mainly cuz it's the first FF, and RPG, mind you, I ever played. It stuck with me, and is the part I relate to, and love. Otherwise FF8 would probably have been in this spot)

2: FF8 (More realistic, and the relation between Rinoa and Squall was heartbreaking :( The story impact on this one was far greater than FF7, if you don't count the apocaliptic feel in FF7 with Sephiroth/meteo and stuff. And junction rules!)

3: FF5 (Loved it. even though the story was a bit cliche, the system was frikkin awesome. It was, unless you count FF1/FF3, the birth of the class system that was used in FFT and FFTA, which I love. Exdeath was amazing, even if he was a cliche as ancient evil awakened again, and his 1st henchman, Gilgamesh is one o my alltime favourite characters - great music theme also)

Other parts were great, but none really I love as the 3 I mentioned above. Had a great time playing FFX, and FF6, but never got into FF9 at all :P

Don't mind the typos, I'm drinkin BEER!
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Post by: Shady Ultima on April 13, 2006, 07:51:42 PM: Huh... I liked CC prolly better then all I've played. I played it so much... even though there was almost no story... it was just randomly running around.

Must say though, there was one level I find hilarious. Big Guy is hungry... GO KILL 'IM!
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Post by: RPG LORD on April 13, 2006, 08:18:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Poncho
Top 3, in order:

1: FF7 (Mainly cuz it's the first FF, and RPG, mind you, I ever played. It stuck with me, and is the part I relate to, and love. Otherwise FF8 would probably have been in this spot)

2: FF8 (More realistic, and the relation between Rinoa and Squall was heartbreaking :( The story impact on this one was far greater than FF7, if you don't count the apocaliptic feel in FF7 with Sephiroth/meteo and stuff. And junction rules!)

3: FF5 (Loved it. even though the story was a bit cliche, the system was frikkin awesome. It was, unless you count FF1/FF3, the birth of the class system that was used in FFT and FFTA, which I love. Exdeath was amazing, even if he was a cliche as ancient evil awakened again, and his 1st henchman, Gilgamesh is one o my alltime favourite characters - great music theme also)

Other parts were great, but none really I love as the 3 I mentioned above. Had a great time playing FFX, and FF6, but never got into FF9 at all :P

Don't mind the typos, I'm drinkin BEER!

Except for number one, I have to agree with most of it.
I'd like to play FFCC someday also.
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Post by: Linkizcool on April 13, 2006, 09:40:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was a good RPG in our opinion and sometimes it is best to look from the perspective of a player and not an artistic designer.

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Even if it is good, I promise you NO ONE of value will play it.

Could sir elaborate? This sounds like all people try to do is please and impress other game designers.

That was my perspective from a player. My perspective from a designer is waaay more derogatory.

And what I meant by that is that no one who will bother commenting on your games will play it. What usually happens is some random guy dls it, plays it for a bit then trashes it. People who make RPGs have seen it over and over and over. In one month, over 10 games that have the same plot are "showed off" in our games forum alone. Gaming World, etc. is waaaay worse. FF fan games are too cliché, too overused and, frankly, its a waste of time. Good RM2k RPGs have you learn something by the end of the game. Whether its a moral, or some snippet of programming advice or whatever, fan games based off of the same plot as the game they pay tribute have NOTHING you learn. It's not even fun playing FF fan games. The map design cannot compare at all with an F graphics engine. Even the older FF's have a better design than can be replicated by RM2k. Not sayinghtat poeple haven't come up with better mapping than a lot of commercial games, just you will never get the same feel an an FF with RM2k.
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Post by: Ruler of the Dark on April 13, 2006, 09:55:11 PM: I like FFIV, the story was interesting. The music was cool.
The graphics were awesome (I like their style, wanna fight about it?)
Other than that I have no explanation. Maybe subliminal messages or something.

For all you people talking about certain FF games being cliché, you have to remember something. Not only did these games come out before the numerous clichés, but they MADE THE CLICHÉS! If square(soft/-enix) didn't choose things like crystals and swords for there games, they wouldn't be cliché. If instead, the hero was a chick with a bow, and she was trying to save the world from a plague or something. Natural disasters would be the cliché, not collecting/activating mystical objects to stop a really old bad guy.
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Post by: Lee_Dragoon on April 13, 2006, 09:56:08 PM: Final Fantasy 6, I felt that it's unique story line never focused too hard on one character and by the end of the game you loved everyone in you team equally. I also like the villan much more. Kefka was scarier than any other boss in my mind. I remember when I was little, and I heard that 8-bit laugh of his, that was scarier than anything. I also like how all of the characters had moves that only they could get, and if there life was low enough, they could do something that looks like a limit break. The only thing was it happend randomly, so I've only seen Shadow's, and Sabin's. Anyways, thats why I like FF6 the best.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 13, 2006, 10:21:45 PM: FF9 (cool scenes, I like how they had war and mass distruction, story was pretty good, it aways kept you guessing what was going to happen next. Unlike other games where the events just lead into eachother, this game was all connected. Had a lot of side quest with the chocobos and such.)
FFT
FF8 (I loved it besides the leveling up system and the draw system, I would rather level up normally and actually learn skills instead of stealing them. The airship was uber cool)
FF5 (I don't know why, but I found it really enjoyable).
FF6
FF4
FF7 (the more I play it, the less I like it. The plot is basically based on your following someone around the whole game. The characters aren't unique at all, they can all learn the same skills and eveyrthing. Battle wise, the only real differance between chars was their limit break and weapon)
FF1
FF3
FF10
FF2
FF10-2
FFTA
FF11 (haven't played it cuz I don't have a good enough internet connection and I refuse to pay for a game then pay extra to play it, I wish they made it playable offline as well like the diablo games were and such).
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Post by: headspace on April 13, 2006, 10:44:04 PM: can I get Final Fantasy in the UK?

Should I try Number 1 first?
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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 13, 2006, 10:54:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by headspace
can I get Final Fantasy in the UK?

Should I try Number 1 first?

Yes - I'd imagine you can buy them, or if not, I'm sure you could download them.

No - well its up to you, but while FF1 is a classic, it has no real story, ok graphics (if you get the psx version), nice music, not too interesting gameplay. The games aren't related in any way, other than name and being made by the same company.
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Post by: Razor on April 13, 2006, 10:57:43 PM: 'Parently 1 and 2 are incredibly hard.
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Post by: pestcontrol on April 13, 2006, 11:02:58 PM: I ve read this thread and you all went into alot of details and stuff but no one has talked about the games as a group of games

i dont mean to bother no one but I dont like most final fantasy for a bunch of reasons. the musics good and some of the mythology in the story but I only like whats original. I played final fantasy 2 and 3 and 7 american versions and the basic like the villains and magic were good and original ideas but theres waaay too much ripped off stories and myths made up in real life and not only that, they keep using alot of the same stuff over and over. when I read about one I didnt play they talk about finding excalibur this and crystal that and im like wtf??? i did that last game.

Final fantasy 7 had good graphics but it was too hyped up. I like the oldschool one Final fantasy 2 better because it didnt have like people with swords fighting people with guns. that makes no sense.

You can like them and all but I like games that seem real like dragon warrior because there are no guns or big companies or anything like that. Those games seem more real to me

i didnt play any of the others but thats my opinion.

peace ::)
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 13, 2006, 11:04:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Razor
'Parently 1 and 2 are incredibly hard.

The GBA remakes of 1 and 2 are pretty damn easy. >_< I've never played the original NES versions, but from what I've heard, they are a lot more difficult than the remakes.
The Playstation remakes are harder than the GBA ones, but the GBA ones have more extras.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 13, 2006, 11:17:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by pestcontrol
i dont mean to bother no one but I dont like most final fantasy for a bunch of reasons. the musics good and some of the mythology in the story but I only like whats original. I played final fantasy 2 and 3 and 7 american versions and the basic like the villains and magic were good and original ideas but theres waaay too much ripped off stories and myths made up in real life and not only that, they keep using alot of the same stuff over and over. when I read about one I didnt play they talk about finding excalibur this and crystal that and im like wtf??? i did that last game.

Hmm, well I don't know by unoriginality if you mean the game plots as in finding crystals or as in unorigiality as in related to real life myths.

But anyway, back when FF used the crystal idea, that was still a semi original concept and it was kinda ff's trademark theme for a while. So I don't consider FF games unoriginal for that aspect. When new games use the idea of crystals or something like them, I consider that unoriginal.

As for the myths and legends, the only real simularities are the summon names. Those are just names though, and the actual summons don't have the same story as the legends they're named after.

I hear a lot of my english teachers and well just a lot of people always say that while stories need to be original, they need to tie in with real life ideas. I think FF games just tie into some ideas presented in real life legends to enhance their games. Since they don't really base their games on the legends/myths themselves, I don't consider them to be unoriginal because of it.

I agree with your opinions on FF7 though. You should try playing FF8, 9, or FFT. I think they were much better games.
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Post by: shadus on April 13, 2006, 11:24:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Leon_1990
...you've done something wrong if all your chars are the same in battle shadus... its up to you to make them different.

and scarface larry, how on earth can you judge a 1992-4 game (someone please correct me) on graphics!?

My favourite is actually... FF2 :P

No I ment they can do all the same stuff besides limits.It's just like ff 7 But I like ff7 better becuase with there skills saty if you use them.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 13, 2006, 11:55:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by pestcontrol
i dont mean to bother no one but I dont like most final fantasy for a bunch of reasons. the musics good and some of the mythology in the story but I only like whats original. I played final fantasy 2 and 3 and 7 american versions and the basic like the villains and magic were good and original ideas but theres waaay too much ripped off stories and myths made up in real life and not only that, they keep using alot of the same stuff over and over. when I read about one I didnt play they talk about finding excalibur this and crystal that and im like wtf??? i did that last game.

Well yeah... I mean it is a series after all...
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Post by: Raen Ryong on April 14, 2006, 12:23:45 AM: If you're just starting Final Fantasy, I recommend from 5-10... X-2 might turn you off the series unfortunately...

Final Fantasy 1 and 2 (non-gba versions) ARE challenging (FF2 especially), possibly too hard if you're starting.

One of the things I like about the Final Fantasies is that they have so many sidequests and secret bosses... I like my hidden challenges... some games have a few secret bosses, but the bosses tend to be weaklings. Not the case in Star Ocean: Till the End of Time...

FF1 - No secret bosses (non-gba version)
FF2 - No secret bosses (non-gba version)
FF4 - Asura (Easy-Medium), Bahamut (Medium)
FF5 - Omega (Medium), Shinryu (Medium)
FF6 - The Eight Dragons (Easy-Medium)
FF7 - Ultimate WEAPON (Easy), Emerald WEAPON (Hard), Ruby WEAPON (Hard), Lost Number... I guess (Easy)
FF8 - Ultima Weapon (Medium), Omega Weapon (Hard)
FF9 - Hades (Medium), Ozma (Very Hard-Extremely Hard)
FFX - Dark Valefor (Medium-Hard), Dark Ifrit (Medium), Dark Ixion (Hard), Dark Shiva (Hard), Dark Bahamut (Very Hard), Dark Yojimbo (Hard), Dark Anima (Hard-Very Hard), Dark Magus Sisters (Very Hard-Extremely Hard), Penance (Extremely Hard), Nemesis (Hard)
FFX-2 - They're all fairly simple, with the exception of Paragon (Medium) and Trema (Medium-Hard)...

Well, those are my opinions on them anyway. The Dark Aeons are considerably harder than most of the others, but I've tried to keep more or less the same scale throughout. There is a big difference between Medium and Hard, as there is between Hard and Very Hard. The other differences not so big.

FF12 is supposed to be amazing. Hopefully there will be lots of lovely secret bosses... though harder than Penance means I may just die... took me bloody ages to beat him. Without Zanmato -- I'm not cheap.
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Post by: Poncho on April 14, 2006, 12:50:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Raen Ryong
If you're just starting Final Fantasy, I recommend from 5-10... X-2 might turn you off the series unfortunately...

Final Fantasy 1 and 2 (non-gba versions) ARE challenging (FF2 especially), possibly too hard if you're starting.

One of the things I like about the Final Fantasies is that they have so many sidequests and secret bosses... I like my hidden challenges... some games have a few secret bosses, but the bosses tend to be weaklings. Not the case in Star Ocean: Till the End of Time...

FF1 - No secret bosses (non-gba version)
FF2 - No secret bosses (non-gba version)
FF4 - Asura (Easy-Medium), Bahamut (Medium)
FF5 - Omega (Medium), Shinryu (Medium)
FF6 - The Eight Dragons (Easy-Medium)
FF7 - Ultimate WEAPON (Easy), Emerald WEAPON (Hard), Ruby WEAPON (Hard), Lost Number... I guess (Easy)
FF8 - Ultima Weapon (Medium), Omega Weapon (Hard)
FF9 - Hades (Medium), Ozma (Very Hard-Extremely Hard)
FFX - Dark Valefor (Medium-Hard), Dark Ifrit (Medium), Dark Ixion (Hard), Dark Shiva (Hard), Dark Bahamut (Very Hard), Dark Yojimbo (Hard), Dark Anima (Hard-Very Hard), Dark Magus Sisters (Very Hard-Extremely Hard), Penance (Extremely Hard), Nemesis (Hard)
FFX-2 - They're all fairly simple, with the exception of Paragon (Medium) and Trema (Medium-Hard)...

Well, those are my opinions on them anyway. The Dark Aeons are considerably harder than most of the others, but I've tried to keep more or less the same scale throughout. There is a big difference between Medium and Hard, as there is between Hard and Very Hard. The other differences not so big.

FF12 is supposed to be amazing. Hopefully there will be lots of lovely secret bosses... though harder than Penance means I may just die... took me bloody ages to beat him. Without Zanmato -- I'm not cheap.

Loved what you were saying about the game, Raen :D I can relate to liking these things aswell. When a game ends, just with the last boss, I get like "meh" and it all feels like a let down.

And ah. FFX was the **** with uberhard secret bosses -_-

Don't think I even beat one, eh. Xcept Valefor maybe...
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Post by: Raen Ryong on April 14, 2006, 01:15:38 AM: Quote
And ah. FFX was the **** with uberhard secret bosses -_-

Don't think I even beat one, eh. Xcept Valefor maybe...

Don't be ashamed... it's not exactly easy to beat them. Dark Valefor you can beat through fluke, but it's not worth relying on. She only has 700,000 HP so if you have 255 Strength you can beat her down in no time. There's something unusual about her though: Her Energy Ray deals 9,999 damage at most yet her overdrive can deal over that. So she only has Break Damage Limit for some of her attacks? Weird...

As far as the Dark Aeons are concerned;

Tier 1 - "Easy"
Dark Valefor, Dark Ifrit

Tier 2 - Not too bad...
Dark Ixion, Dark Shiva

Tier 3 - Getting there...
Dark Yojimbo

Tier 4

Tier 5 - This will hurt.
Dark Anima

Tier 6 - Ouch.
Dark Bahamut

Tier 7

Tier 8 - This is sheer agony.
Dark Magus Sisters

Tier 9

Tier 10 - Claim victory here to become a god at RPGs...
Penance

Some tiers are deliberately left unoccupied, just to show the difference in difficulty. Eg, Dark Bahamut is A LOT harder than Dark Ixion, for instance, whereas Dark Ixion is only a step up from Dark Valefor. Nemesis is about on par with Dark Bahamut. Be aware that anything from Tier 5 onwards is harder than any other secret bosses in games...
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Post by: Cerebus on April 15, 2006, 03:59:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by coasterkrazy
I wonder if I'm the only one who beat Bahamut without using reflect. I did it such a ridiculous way though. I just timed Kain's jump so he would never get hit. Everyone else died, but I was just focused on winning. Though in the end, I wish I had known about the reflect method so everyone else could have taken in part in the massive amount of experience.

That's what I was doing first too, but I lost... Then, I saw he only used Mega Flare so I tried Reflect and it worked. However, I only used it on Cecil and still made Kain jump for the rest of the fight.
Also, I found Odin not too dificult. My friend said he was strong because of his Sword attack ( wich I don't know the name ) but he never had the time to use it on me. And, I never found Sylph...