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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 02:38:39 AM

Title: The National Day of Silence
Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 02:38:39 AM

I think this is just an American thing, but who actually did it? This topic popped up on Gaia Online and I wanted to see what everyone else did. There were some ignorant people over there saying that if we didn't like/respect homosexuals if we didn't follow in the "silent protest."

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 27, 2006, 02:41:27 AM

Huh? Never heard of it. I'm not gonna be silent for gay people. If they want to be silent, fine, they can do so themselves.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 27, 2006, 02:41:58 AM

I did it, but I know plenty of people that didn't. And not all of them hated/disrespected homosexuals. Besides, the day of silence was more to raise awareness than to show respect. Plus, I don't know about your school, but in my school it was not only for the gays/lesbians, it was to raise awareness against discrimination for anything... race, skin color, religious preference, sexuality... etc.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 02:42:55 AM

I think it's a nice gesture, but when people start making it a big deal when people don't do it and say that I'm discriminating, then I get angry.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 27, 2006, 02:47:17 AM

Yeah, I agree. I had the opposite effect. People accused me of being gay. Ignorant f*cks. I told them striaght to their face, "F*ck you, you ignorant f*ck!"

Like my elegant use of the english vocab? :p

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 02:49:31 AM

Yeah. It's dumb that when you support something, people automatically assume you're what you're supporting. I could support women's rights, does that make me a female? I could suuport bestiality (not that I would, mind you), but does that mean I like to have sex with animals? The ignorance of people these days is quite astounding.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 27, 2006, 02:49:57 AM

Very nice dren :p

You know what I just thought about. They don't want to be descriminated, but by having a day of silence or whatever for them is doing just that. Sure, maybe its supposed to be respectful, but doesn't  it just seperate them from everyone else?

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 27, 2006, 02:53:14 AM

lol, yeah, you could think that, but it was to raise awareness of the discrimination against them and, as I said before, other reasons people discriminate.

Black people did it too when there was segregation in the south. Women did it during the Women's Suffrage Movement. The way I look at it, it's just another people trying to be accepted for who they are in society. Which isn't too easy these days with so much controversy and so much BS.

EDIT: A bunch of my friends today surprised me by saying, "Being gay is so wrong." "God made Adam and Eve." "Gay people scare me." They didn't stop to think that not everyone believes in Jesus and that there are worse things to be scared of than gay people.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 02:53:41 AM

Well it's not really discriminating until they say something like: "Heterosexuals are stupid and they don't deserve to get married."

I guess the opposite of what's going on right now. You should get the point though. But I guess what you said could be. Not so sure.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 27, 2006, 03:05:00 AM

Nah, I get it. Its just in a lot of cases where people want to be equal and stop discrimination against their ethic group or whatever, they do it by actually seperating themselves from other people. Something like this was on an epside of south park once :p

Lol, for the longest time I was against gay marrages. You know, the definition of 'marraige' is the union between a man and a woman, or something like that. So gay people couldn't get married with eachother, because it just doesn't work that way, but really, whats the big deal, they can just be 'parters' and its all good right? Well not really, by being 'married' you get special benifits from the government. So would it be fair for gay people not to be able to get these benifits? I don't think it is. We had a discussion about this in english class, our teacher was also talking about bestiality and cat sex. Its all beacuse of the literature we have to read...

Damn literature, why should I be forced to read a book where there's a rape scene every other page and they talk about cow f*cking. Seriously, the first book we had to read started off with the words "He stood naked". The next book started off with "cow f*cking".

And people wonder why I don't read...

I just got way off topic didn't I?

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Post by: Zeigue on April 27, 2006, 03:06:03 AM

like 6 people in my school wore red shirts adn had liek name tags on and they didnt talk all day. _sweat_

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 27, 2006, 03:13:38 AM

It what they chose to do. You can't really get upset about it.

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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on April 27, 2006, 03:17:09 AM

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like 6 people in my school wore red shirts adn had liek name tags on and they didnt talk all day. _sweat_

LOTS of people at my school did that. A few hundred, maybe a thousand, I dunno. But a ton of people were.

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Post by: Drace on April 27, 2006, 04:27:31 AM

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Huh? Never heard of it. I'm not gonna be silent for gay people. If they want to be silent, fine, they can do so themselves.

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Post by: Razor on April 27, 2006, 06:47:41 AM

I don't care about the gays. I mean, it doesn't bother me that they exist, and I do think they deserve equal rights, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna be quiet for them.

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Post by: Shady Ultima on April 27, 2006, 07:58:24 AM

I have no problem with gays, or gay marriage (anymore)

I used to be a Catholic, and because of my religious beliefs I was against it. I remember a huge fight I had with Mid about this before I stopped coming here for a while. She was trying to convince me that gay marriage was a good thing, while I was convinced it was bad. I've since met a guy who is gay (surprisingly, in 16 years, I had never met someone, and when I finally did, I was his friend, without knowing he was gay) After that I became a bit more open to the idea, because I believe that if we live in a free country, we should be able to do what makes us happy. Mind you, that must not infringe upon other people's happiness. Therefore, rape, murder and theivery would still be illegal. But I am also a firm believer that drugs should be legalized. If people want to damage their bodies, they should be able to legally.

I do not care if people are differing against my opinions. I have tried a few different drugs, but I have been clean for quite some time.

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 27, 2006, 09:55:55 AM

lol gay!


Yeah I knew of this, it's cool. No one at my school did it though. i wish they did, loud asses. I still want one of those shirts from that website here (http://www.dayofsilence.org/downloads/tshirt.php).

I really liked those... yeah, I'm straight. I like t-shirts.

 There isn't discrimination at my school like that except for this one a gay guy hit on one of my friends and got his ass BEAT freshman year. I mean beat. There's no real way to put it. I don't think it's discrimination or bullying, but yeah, it is. He got slammed into cars among other things. This was one guy, not a group, and not because he was gay, because he hit on him and he was gay. Like fondling...  I helped stop it, so don't give me shit about it. Gay people are alright, I don't know whether or not I could tolerate being touched in certain places though, in a sexual advance type of way.

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Post by: SaiKar on April 27, 2006, 11:54:13 AM

Discrimination means "to tell the difference between". Like, the differece between red and blue. Or the difference between someone with light skin and dark skin. A lot of minorty / traditionally opressed groups have ideologies like "We all have the same heart, we all cry the same tears when everyone hates us." And that's true. I go along with that.

But why do they have these "days of awareness" when the main ideology is that everyone's basically the same? They just got done saying the differences don't matter! Isn't being aware of their difference rather then just letting it not be a big deal a bad thing? Doesn't a day of awareness just make it EASIER to discriminate against people? I wish they would make up their friggin minds if they are different or not.

Thoughts to ponder.

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Post by: WarxePB on April 27, 2006, 11:54:43 AM

I didn't know such a day existed. I'll have to keep it in mind next year.

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Post by: Drace on April 27, 2006, 01:11:19 PM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze Huh? Never heard of it. I'm not gonna be silent for gay people. If they want to be silent, fine, they can do so themselves.

Just to let your guys know, I don't dislike the gays, I'm just not going to be silent. I'll be silent at my own funeral and that's it.

Oh, and gay marriage should be approved. To me, marriage is a sacred bond that binds two loved ones together, same sex or not. I hate Christian dicks not allowing homosexuals to marry.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on April 27, 2006, 05:29:18 PM

I've never heard of it it seems to be an exclusive american day. I have nothing against homosexuals and I'm against gay marrige because it doesn't make any sense. Why participate in a ritual that's a core part of a religion that despites you in all ways being a gay/lesbian?

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 27, 2006, 05:49:14 PM

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I've never heard of it it seems to be an exclusive american day. I have nothing against homosexuals and I'm against gay marrige because it doesn't make any sense. Why participate in a ritual that's a core part of a religion that despites you in all ways being a gay/lesbian?

I don't know what, but I know in the U.S., couples get tax deductions or stuff like that only if they're married. If gay people can't get married, then they basically can't get these benifits just because of who they are.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on April 27, 2006, 05:55:21 PM

 

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I don't know what, but I know in the U.S., couples get tax deductions or stuff like that only if they're married. If gay people can't get married, then they basically can't get these benifits just because of who they are.

That sounds lame. Why should married couples have that should make them deserve those benefits above not married ones? That's discremination. But I don't mean it's the church that should change their criterias but the law that should be changed.

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Post by: Drace on April 27, 2006, 05:56:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sephiroth rocks I've never heard of it it seems to be an exclusive american day. I have nothing against homosexuals and I'm against gay marrige because it doesn't make any sense. Why participate in a ritual that's a core part of a religion that despites you in all ways being a gay/lesbian?

I don't know what, but I know in the U.S., couples get tax deductions or stuff like that only if they're married. If gay people can't get married, then they basically can't get these benifits just because of who they are.

Thus, mass-discrimination.

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Post by: coasterkrazy on April 27, 2006, 06:34:03 PM

I've never heard of this, so I don't do it, but I guess maybe I would if knew.

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EDIT: A bunch of my friends today surprised me by saying, "Being gay is so wrong." "God made Adam and Eve." "Gay people scare me." They didn't stop to think that not everyone believes in Jesus and that there are worse things to be scared of than gay people.

See that's what pisses me off. Not only what you said dren, but also the fact that they themselves are not being good Christians by feeling that way. Sure nobody's perfect, but the thing is they defend it with there Chrisitanity, and at the same time Jesus loves everyone, so therefore Jesus loves gay people. I wrote up a whole thing on homosexuality somewhere on this forum... I don't feel like retyping it.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 27, 2006, 07:40:07 PM

 

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A bunch of my friends today surprised me by saying, "Being gay is so wrong." "God made Adam and Eve." "Gay people scare me." They didn't stop to think that not everyone believes in Jesus and that there are worse things to be scared of than gay people.

I completely agree with you.

 

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I remember a huge fight I had with Mid about this before I stopped coming here for a while. She was trying to convince me that gay marriage was a good thing, while I was convinced it was bad

We did? O.o I forgot XD

Omg, I can't believe I forgot XD No wonder my friend wasn't talking today. She's gay, and would join almost anything for gay rights. You do know that most men don't have a problem with gay females? It's usually the men that they find disgusting. DB, I disagree with you on the benifits thing. Most of them just want to BE normal, and get married just like normal people. Some of them feel that having a paper saying they're soulmates or whatever is the right thing to do.

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Post by: Drace on April 27, 2006, 07:56:01 PM

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A bunch of my friends today surprised me by saying, "Being gay is so wrong." "God made Adam and Eve." "Gay people scare me." They didn't stop to think that not everyone believes in Jesus and that there are worse things to be scared of than gay people.

I completely agree with you.

 

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I remember a huge fight I had with Mid about this before I stopped coming here for a while. She was trying to convince me that gay marriage was a good thing, while I was convinced it was bad

We did? O.o I forgot XD

Omg, I can't believe I forgot XD No wonder my friend wasn't talking today. She's gay, and would join almost anything for gay rights. You do know that most men don't have a problem with gay females? It's usually the men that they find disgusting. DB, I disagree with you on the benifits thing. Most of them just want to BE normal, and get married just like normal people. Some of them feel that having a paper saying they're soulmates or whatever is the right thing to do.

I love lesbians, personally. But I could also speak for almost every heterosexual guy.
Don't mind gay guys as long as I don't have to see them have sex.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on April 27, 2006, 08:00:46 PM

Lol!!

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 27, 2006, 08:07:52 PM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by Sephiroth rocks I've never heard of it it seems to be an exclusive american day. I have nothing against homosexuals and I'm against gay marrige because it doesn't make any sense. Why participate in a ritual that's a core part of a religion that despites you in all ways being a gay/lesbian? I don't know what, but I know in the U.S., couples get tax deductions or stuff like that only if they're married. If gay people can't get married, then they basically can't get these benifits just because of who they are.

Thus, mass-discrimination.

I think that the benefits of married hetero-couples are because they are going to have children, or it is assumed that they will, in the future.  Gay couples can adopt, I suppose, so I guess it's still backwards.

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Post by: Spike21 on April 27, 2006, 11:25:15 PM

perssonly i say being gay is wrong but i dont go and yell at people for being gay. i just hate how almost everyone else that thinks the same as me are all losers about it and force their beilefs on people i just hate that. i also think that why do get a day and not many other stuff do

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Post by: Drace on April 28, 2006, 11:40:58 AM

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perssonly i say being gay is wrong but i dont go and yell at people for being gay. i just hate how almost everyone else that thinks the same as me are all losers about it and force their beilefs on people i just hate that. i also think that why do get a day and not many other stuff do

They can't do squat about being gay or hetero. It just happends, no need to be mean to them about it.

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Post by: Spike21 on April 28, 2006, 07:09:26 PM

hey i never said i was mean to them.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 28, 2006, 07:56:55 PM

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Originally posted by Spike21 perssonly i say being gay is wrong but i dont go and yell at people for being gay. i just hate how almost everyone else that thinks the same as me are all losers about it and force their beilefs on people i just hate that. i also think that why do get a day and not many other stuff do

They can't do squat about being gay or hetero. It just happends, no need to be mean to them about it.

I disagree. People can choose whether to be gay, hetero, or what not. People choose their own beliefs, ideals, lifestyles, etc. Some people claim that some people are born with an attraction to the same sex, whether or not that is true or not doesn't matter, people are still free to make that choice on their own.

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Post by: Drace on April 28, 2006, 08:02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Drace quote: Originally posted by Spike21 perssonly i say being gay is wrong but i dont go and yell at people for being gay. i just hate how almost everyone else that thinks the same as me are all losers about it and force their beilefs on people i just hate that. i also think that why do get a day and not many other stuff do They can't do squat about being gay or hetero. It just happends, no need to be mean to them about it.

I disagree. People can choose whether to be gay, hetero, or what not. People choose their own beliefs, ideals, lifestyles, etc. Some people claim that some people are born with an attraction to the same sex, whether or not that is true or not doesn't matter, people are still free to make that choice on their own.

Yes, gay people can make the choice to stay with women, but they still are attracted to man. You simply are gay or not, you can't choose it. Unlike stuff like beliefs, ideals, lifestyles etc. Those can be learned to you, adapted from others or created yourself, but not hetero- and homosexuality.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on April 28, 2006, 08:03:45 PM

I don't see what the big deal is with some people. People are born different. If they chose to like to same gender, that's their decision. It's not my duty to critisize (spelling?) people. I don't judge.

After i read this thread, I thought, "why would I do something if i don't know more about it."

So....  I must ask. Why must we have a moment of silence for Homosexuals? To honor the gay lives ruined by George bush?

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Post by: Archem on April 28, 2006, 08:21:04 PM

Heh. I was mostly silent today (like every day, actually), but I didn't know about this. I have a gay friend, but I guess he didn't know about it, either. Being married isn't described as a man and a women being held together by a bond, it never specifies gender. And I'm pretty sure gayness isn't "against God's law", since God clearly made the gays (if you believe God exists, mind you. If not, then there's no excuse for gay-bashing), and it's not against nature's law, since plenty of cases of homosexuality exist within other species of animals. Bees, sheep, deer, monkeys, humans (obviously), and lots of others. Of course, the bottom line is that I won't be silent for them, that movement doesn't involve me. And since I see no violence, there's no need for it to involve me.

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Post by: Spike21 on April 28, 2006, 08:31:44 PM

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Heh. I was mostly silent today (like every day, actually), but I didn't know about this. I have a gay friend, but I guess he didn't know about it, either. Being married isn't described as a man and a women being held together by a bond, it never specifies gender. And I'm pretty sure gayness isn't "against God's law", since God clearly made the gays (if you believe God exists, mind you. If not, then there's no excuse for gay-bashing), and it's not against nature's law, since plenty of cases of homosexuality exist within other species of animals. Bees, sheep, deer, monkeys, humans (obviously), and lots of others. Of course, the bottom line is that I won't be silent for them, that movement doesn't involve me. And since I see no violence, there's no need for it to involve me.

whoow there.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on April 28, 2006, 08:33:30 PM

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Heh. I was mostly silent today (like every day, actually), but I didn't know about this. I have a gay friend, but I guess he didn't know about it, either. Being married isn't described as a man and a women being held together by a bond, it never specifies gender. And I'm pretty sure gayness isn't "against God's law", since God clearly made the gays (if you believe God exists, mind you. If not, then there's no excuse for gay-bashing), and it's not against nature's law, since plenty of cases of homosexuality exist within other species of animals. Bees, sheep, deer, monkeys, humans (obviously), and lots of others. Of course, the bottom line is that I won't be silent for them, that movement doesn't involve me. And since I see no violence, there's no need for it to involve me.

Archem, you have just earned 20 respect points.

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Post by: Archem on April 28, 2006, 08:42:38 PM

 :) I feel special now. My rant in a whole thread of similar rants is quoted not once, but TWICE as being good, in quick succession! Mebe I should be a public speaker!  ... Oh, wait... no, I'm too anti-social... Anywho, thank you both for those few words of appreciation. I'll be taking those respect points, now.

Hehe... I'm  not used to being quoted/respected. Sorry if I threw anybody off-balance.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 28, 2006, 08:44:58 PM

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Heh. I was mostly silent today (like every day, actually), but I didn't know about this. I have a gay friend, but I guess he didn't know about it, either. Being married isn't described as a man and a women being held together by a bond, it never specifies gender. And I'm pretty sure gayness isn't "against God's law", since God clearly made the gays (if you believe God exists, mind you. If not, then there's no excuse for gay-bashing), and it's not against nature's law, since plenty of cases of homosexuality exist within other species of animals. Bees, sheep, deer, monkeys, humans (obviously), and lots of others. Of course, the bottom line is that I won't be silent for them, that movement doesn't involve me. And since I see no violence, there's no need for it to involve me.

The bible does say the homosexuality is wrong in many places.

 

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Yes, gay people can make the choice to stay with women, but they still are attracted to man. You simply are gay or not, you can't choose it. Unlike stuff like beliefs, ideals, lifestyles etc. Those can be learned to you, adapted from others or created yourself, but not hetero- and homosexuality.

Gays are like fat people. A lot of fat people are fat because of genetics. But just because they're born like that doesn't mean they can't lose weight if they really try. In the same way, if a gay person doesn't want to be gay, they don't have to be, they can choose to be hetero. If people are attracted to the same sex, they CAN train them selves otherwise. If people are smokers and addicted to nicatine, they CAN train themselves to be non smokers, its hard, but they can do it. They're not stuck being gay if they really don't want to be. Most of the time, gays do want to be the way they are and don't want to change that. Thats fine, but its their choice.

People are always free to choose who they want to be and how they want to live. Just because they're born a certain way doesn't mean they can't change that if they really want to.

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Post by: Archem on April 28, 2006, 08:52:00 PM

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on April 28, 2006, 08:52:54 PM

I true homosexual person is not attracted to the opposite sex. One who chooses to be homosexual is not really homosexual. They're just mad about either not getting good sex or they can't get a guy/girl.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on April 28, 2006, 09:03:43 PM

The worst thing for a homosexual person to have to go through is the fact that they are judged.

Another strong thing is the lack of knowledge. Therefore, for 9.99$ I can sell you this dummies' guide...

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Post by: Razor on April 28, 2006, 10:16:46 PM

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Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like.

And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness."

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 28, 2006, 10:34:34 PM

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Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like.

And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness."

yes, thankyou, both of those are exactly what I was thinking.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 29, 2006, 01:52:27 AM

I know ALOT of people that did it. I didn't, but just because not talking for a day would ruin the life of everyone around me... And I'd literally put the tag around my neck that says why and such, and in 2.5 seconds say "This yarn is itchy".

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 04:01:52 AM

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Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like.

And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness."

Fine, the original greek/hebrew/whatever version of the bible says that homosexuality is wrong in many many many places. Its not something transcripters or whatever added some time later down the line.

Yeah, a mental illness is a very bad bad name for homosexuality.  But if you really think about it, it could very easily be classified as a mental disorder. 'Order' is the way things are supposed to be, according to nature, male and female are supposed to be together. Since homosextuality is the opposite, it could be classified as disorder, and since its a thing of the mind, it would be a mental disorder. I really think though that using a name like this isn't fair to gay people because of the negitive notation behind it.  

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Post by: neb87 on April 29, 2006, 04:23:28 AM

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Originally posted by Razor quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like. And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness."

Fine, the original greek/hebrew/whatever version of the bible says that homosexuality is wrong in many many many places. Its not something transcripters or whatever added some time later down the line.

Yeah, a mental illness is a very bad bad name for homosexuality.  But if you really think about it, it could very easily be classified as a mental disorder. 'Order' is the way things are supposed to be, according to nature, male and female are supposed to be together. Since homosextuality is the opposite, it could be classified as disorder, and since its a thing of the mind, it would be a mental disorder. I really think though that using a name like this isn't fair to gay people because of the negitive notation behind it.  

 It is especialy(can't spell) a mental disorder in aniamals becuase aniamals are well stupied compared to humans, so if they can't reproduce there is something wrong with them!

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 29, 2006, 05:29:48 AM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by Razor quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like. And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness." Fine, the original greek/hebrew/whatever version of the bible says that homosexuality is wrong in many many many places. Its not something transcripters or whatever added some time later down the line. Yeah, a mental illness is a very bad bad name for homosexuality.  But if you really think about it, it could very easily be classified as a mental disorder. 'Order' is the way things are supposed to be, according to nature, male and female are supposed to be together. Since homosextuality is the opposite, it could be classified as disorder, and since its a thing of the mind, it would be a mental disorder. I really think though that using a name like this isn't fair to gay people because of the negitive notation behind it.

 It is especialy(can't spell) a mental disorder in aniamals becuase aniamals are well stupied compared to humans, so if they can't reproduce there is something wrong with them!

...Neb, dont spak about the stupidity of animals with that sentence please.

For hundreds and thousands of years, people have been homosexual/bisexual. Greeks and Romans many times often would become almost starved for sex on the battlefield, and would end up having sex with each other.

While I don't think its a mental disorder, I do not believe that the universe had the intent for homsexuality when it was created. Hell, sexuality in general is merely a chematic response to aid in the prolonged exisistence of a species. Basic instincts tell you to eat, breathe, survive and reproduce. I believe that it is BECAUSE we are as evolved as we are that some humans become homosexual. It is almost as if they are overriding basic instincts, using the conscious mind to think instead of the subconscious mind to act.

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 06:47:44 AM

So, the Greek/Hebrew/whatever says that homosexuality is wrong? Did you know that in the time that the bible was wrotent that homosexuality was the most average thing on the planet? It was in Rome where almost all Emperors did it. It was in Greece. It was in the entire place where the bible was wroten.
My opinion, the one that added that was a homophic twat. You've lost my respect Dragonblaze, you did.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on April 29, 2006, 10:59:47 AM

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Lest we forget as the bible has been rewritten through the ages, the transcripters have added and removed whatever they liked/didn't like.

And on the subject, what really sickens me is when people refer to homosexuality as "a mental illness."

*60 respect points for Razor.*
*Razor has already reached a full of capacity of 1000 respect points.*
*Respect point transaction was dropped.*
*Chucks points.*

Thank you!! Oh lord!! Someone who actually has a clue about what goes on in the world beyond their own lives!

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Post by: Razor on April 29, 2006, 12:50:14 PM

Awesome. I think I just won the gay thread. Which isn't that awesome.

And one thing, there have been gay animals. Which leads me to ask, did they choose to be gay?

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 29, 2006, 02:06:08 PM

So many great pointsd, but come on guys, let's not turn this into a fight for *respect points*. Just pointing that out.

One thing I think is so controversial is that people get married by a priest, and of course if the priest doesn't believe in gay marriage he won't wed you. But ****, people in India can marry their dogs or cats? That's messed up.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 02:34:27 PM

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So, the Greek/Hebrew/whatever says that homosexuality is wrong? Did you know that in the time that the bible was wrotent that homosexuality was the most average thing on the planet? It was in Rome where almost all Emperors did it. It was in Greece. It was in the entire place where the bible was wroten.
My opinion, the one that added that was a homophic twat. You've lost my respect Dragonblaze, you did.

Dude, are you serious? I've studied the bible for many many years, if telling the facts about the bible and my religion will make you loose your respect for me, then fine, I don't want the respect from people who don't want to hear the facts. The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple.

Greek people did not write the bible, it was just the language it was written in. Abraham, his decendents, prophets of Isreal, Jesus's desiples, etc wrote it. And really, the Greeks had their own religeon, they wouldn't write the bible. The greeks were polythiastic and believed in many gods, since part of the bible is written in greek, does that mean that the bible and christianity believes in many gods, no.

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Post by: coasterkrazy on April 29, 2006, 03:08:16 PM

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The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple.

Um... if you wanna get all technical, it doesn't say that. It does say however, that marriage is the union of man and woman. Today, the Roman Catholic Church's interpretation is that the homosexual orientation in itself is not wrong since it is proven to be uncontrollable (though possibly changeable), but homosexual sexual acts are wrong because they do not procreate. Also, obviously they interpret homosexual marriage as wrong because the Bible states marriage is between a man and a woman. Therefore, they expect all homosexuals to live celebant. Don't believe me? I had a whole class on sexuality in a Catholic school last semester, and homosexuality was a topic.

I personally believe that there should a be a legal union for homosexuals, so that they may receive benefits. Many argue that they can just get married to the opposite sex anyway, but really, they wouldn't go together and they'd probably end up with a divorce in a short period of time. That's why are few homosexuals in the Catholic Church, because it makes them feel restricted and rejected, not necessarily because homosexuality itself is wrong. If that were true, all homosexuals would be denied of being able to join a church, and I think we can agree that that is not what is taught in the Bible.

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 03:21:32 PM

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Originally posted by Drace So, the Greek/Hebrew/whatever says that homosexuality is wrong? Did you know that in the time that the bible was wrotent that homosexuality was the most average thing on the planet? It was in Rome where almost all Emperors did it. It was in Greece. It was in the entire place where the bible was wroten. My opinion, the one that added that was a homophic twat. You've lost my respect Dragonblaze, you did.

Dude, are you serious? I've studied the bible for many many years, if telling the facts about the bible and my religion will make you loose your respect for me, then fine, I don't want the respect from people who don't want to hear the facts. The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple.

Greek people did not write the bible, it was just the language it was written in. Abraham, his decendents, prophets of Isreal, Jesus's desiples, etc wrote it. And really, the Greeks had their own religeon, they wouldn't write the bible. The greeks were polythiastic and believed in many gods, since part of the bible is written in greek, does that mean that the bible and christianity believes in many gods, no.

The fact might be of the bible, but isn't if you open your bloody eyes. I have a strong HATRED against people who think the bible is, well, THE bible. The Koran says you should slap your wife, is that a fact then? If the bible said that having sex with animal should be done every thursday, would you?

If Jesus and/or God does truly excist, he would tell you not to take the bible literally. The bible is filled with mere guidlines to life. Homosexuality is not evil, it's not wrong.

 

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Dude, are you serious? I've studied the bible for many many years, if telling the facts about the bible and my religion will make you loose your respect for me, then fine, I don't want the respect from people who don't want to hear the facts. The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple.

I'm not religious, I don't have a bible or a holy book. But if you're telling me that my believes are false, then your saying stuff to me that YOU don't apply. These are MY facts. I respect Christanity and every other religion. I just don't like religious freaks who take it too far by living by a book that's rewritten countless times by countless people who are NOT Jesus, the one who should have the only right to rewrite the bible.

You want me to respect your believes? Then respect mine too.

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Post by: White Dwarf on April 29, 2006, 03:37:22 PM

I hate you all you christian freaks. Now you know what gays feel like. Hated for the way they feel. Thats worse than bing hated for what you believe. You all suck.

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 29, 2006, 03:46:17 PM

For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

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Post by: White Dwarf on April 29, 2006, 03:49:38 PM

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For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

Then again. Not having sex at all would also be doing this. Someone people just don't have children. Yeah fine. They still work, and that. Repoducing isnt the only thing needed for a species to suvive. You also need food and water, and technology. Clothing and buildings etc etc. Which homosexuals would all be helping to make or build when they work. Noe everyone can actualy have children. Should we kill those people cos of it? Or go against them. No, we don't. So we shouldn't be so evil towards homosexuals.

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 29, 2006, 03:55:55 PM

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Originally posted by blaze_shinigami For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

Then again. Not having sex at all would also be doing this. Someone people just don't have children. Yeah fine. They still work, and that. Repoducing isnt the only thing needed for a species to suvive. You also need food and water, and technology. Clothing and buildings etc etc. Which homosexuals would all be helping to make or build when they work. Noe everyone can actualy have children. Should we kill those people cos of it? Or go against them. No, we don't. So we shouldn't be so evil towards homosexuals.

Oh, I get all that, but human beings didn't need all of those things to start with.  I never said they should die/ be killed; I'm saying that homosexuals in certain circumstances are erasing their prescence from the Earth.

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 03:56:24 PM

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For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

So people who are steriel (sp? and correct word? People with defect reproduction organs) are going against humanity too? People who don't have or want kids too?

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 29, 2006, 03:57:58 PM

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Originally posted by blaze_shinigami For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

Then again. Not having sex at all would also be doing this. Someone people just don't have children. Yeah fine. They still work, and that. Repoducing isnt the only thing needed for a species to suvive. You also need food and water, and technology. Clothing and buildings etc etc. Which homosexuals would all be helping to make or build when they work. Noe everyone can actualy have children. Should we kill those people cos of it? Or go against them. No, we don't. So we shouldn't be so evil towards homosexuals.

No White, for a species to survive, reproduction is in essence, the only answer. Food, water, tech, shelter, etc, are all needed to prolong the life of an individual, not a species.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on April 29, 2006, 03:59:09 PM

 

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Oh, I get all that, but human beings didn't need all of those things to start with. I never said they should die/ be killed; I'm saying that homosexuals in certain circumstances are erasing their prescence from the Earth.

Then again as White just said you're doing the same if you're asexual. And asexual ppl are often cristian (e.g. nuns).

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 29, 2006, 04:00:37 PM

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Originally posted by blaze_shinigami For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

So people who are steriel (sp? and correct word? People with defect reproduction organs) are going against humanity too? People who don't have or want kids too?

You're obviously not getting what I said. Sterile people, asexual people, screwed people, gay people, don't have a primal chance. Where did I say "going against humanity"? Quit twisting **** up.

Read my above posts, maybe twice.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 04:05:34 PM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by Drace So, the Greek/Hebrew/whatever says that homosexuality is wrong? Did you know that in the time that the bible was wrotent that homosexuality was the most average thing on the planet? It was in Rome where almost all Emperors did it. It was in Greece. It was in the entire place where the bible was wroten. My opinion, the one that added that was a homophic twat. You've lost my respect Dragonblaze, you did. Dude, are you serious? I've studied the bible for many many years, if telling the facts about the bible and my religion will make you loose your respect for me, then fine, I don't want the respect from people who don't want to hear the facts. The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple. Greek people did not write the bible, it was just the language it was written in. Abraham, his decendents, prophets of Isreal, Jesus's desiples, etc wrote it. And really, the Greeks had their own religeon, they wouldn't write the bible. The greeks were polythiastic and believed in many gods, since part of the bible is written in greek, does that mean that the bible and christianity believes in many gods, no.

The fact might be of the bible, but isn't if you open your bloody eyes. I have a strong HATRED against people who think the bible is, well, THE bible. The Koran says you should slap your wife, is that a fact then? If the bible said that having sex with animal should be done every thursday, would you?

If Jesus and/or God does truly excist, he would tell you not to take the bible literally. The bible is filled with mere guidlines to life. Homosexuality is not evil, it's not wrong.

 

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Dude, are you serious? I've studied the bible for many many years, if telling the facts about the bible and my religion will make you loose your respect for me, then fine, I don't want the respect from people who don't want to hear the facts. The bible says homosexuality is wrong, plain and simple.

I'm not religious, I don't have a bible or a holy book. But if you're telling me that my believes are false, then your saying stuff to me that YOU don't apply. These are MY facts. I respect Christanity and every other religion. I just don't like religious freaks who take it too far by living by a book that's rewritten countless times by countless people who are NOT Jesus, the one who should have the only right to rewrite the bible.

You want me to respect your believes? Then respect mine too.

*Sigh*

I don't say this often, but Drace, you are a moron.

I said the bible is against gays, thats the fact I was refering to. You kept saying it wasn't, as a matter of fact it is. If you're not a religeos person, don't say whats in the bible or whats not in the bible, cuz apparently you don't know. The FACT I was refering to was that the bible was against gays, not that gays are wrong.

I olny brought up that the bible was against homosexuality because someone said god wasn't against it. Again, you wouldn't know anything about this. Yet, you try to bring up some falseness to disprove my claims, when you couldn't, you were just like 'I lost all respect for you'. Thats a very poor reason to loose respect for someone, because they were right about something when you were wrong.

If you ever payed any attention to my earlier posts (which obviously you haven't) you would have realized that I am not agains gays in any way. My policy has always been to live and let live. If someone wants to do something a certain way, let them, they're not affecting me in anyway.

Again, I'm a christian, the bible says homosexuality is wrong, does that mean I have anything against people who are gay? I don't. Personally i'm never gonna be gay, but if someone else wants to be, thats their own choice, and I respect that.

So yeah, unless an issue relates to me dirrectly, I won't be for it or against it. I'm not promoting homosexuality, I'm not denouncing it. I just stated that the bible denouces it in responce to someone elses responce.

So go ahead and piss and moan and loose all respect for me for saying the bible says homosexuality is wrong. As long as you do, I'll continue to think of you as a moron.

 

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You want me to respect your believes? Then respect mine too.

I never asked you to respect my beliefs. I never disrespected yorus. I just wanted you to stop saying all this bull **** about a book that you know hardly anything about.  :|

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Post by: White Dwarf on April 29, 2006, 04:19:56 PM

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Originally posted by blaze_shinigami For purposes of creation, homosexuality is wrong.  If a man & another man, or two women, have a monogamous relationship;  with no sperm donors or surrogate mothers, they are giving up their opportunity to create life. They are losing in the primal meaning of life, which is truly to spread your seed. They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. I don't know what that has to do with religion though. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay, but I really believe some people don't have a choice. And what is reality, anyways?

So people who are steriel (sp? and correct word? People with defect reproduction organs) are going against humanity too? People who don't have or want kids too?

Sterile, I think. Yeah, what about those people? You can't go against a group of people just because they don't reproduce. And if that, then people should go against you, being as if you have to marry first, then your slowing down the whole system.

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 04:21:23 PM

In my defence I:

0) Never said it wasn't in the bible. I have not read the bible. I will not read the bible any time soon. I don't care about the bible.
1) You might not have a problem against homosexuals, but then WRITE like you don't have a problem. It looks like you have a problem against them by keeping to refer that the bible finds them EFYL. I don't care, I don't wanna care and I will not care about the bible, the Koran or any other religous boohah book.
2) No I have not noticed that in earlier post you had no problem against homosexuals. See above.
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Again, I'm a christian, the bible says homosexuality is wrong, does that mean I have anything against people who are gay? I don't. Personally i'm never gonna be gay, but if someone else wants to be, thats their own choice, and I respect that.

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Drace, you are a moron.

Yes I am. You are one too, thank you very much.

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You're obviously not getting what I said. Sterile people, asexual people, screwed people, gay people, don't have a primal chance. Where did I say "going against humanity"? Quit twisting **** up.

 

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Read my above posts, maybe twice.

They are killing their future & legacy. They are commiting genetic suicide/homocide. So in reality, it is not okay to be gay.

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They're going against humankind.

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Post by: White Dwarf on April 29, 2006, 04:23:49 PM

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I olny brought up that the bible was against homosexuality because someone said god wasn't against it.

If god was against something, he wouldnt give us free will. That would just be stupid. If god is perfect, he wouldnt be against anything. And he wouldnt stop people from doing things just because he doesnt like it.

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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 29, 2006, 04:25:51 PM

No, it doesn't. Going against humanity in my opinion would be killing others, the environment, genocide. Just not having children isn't what I see. Some people can't, some just don't want to. But we have them covered; people are fucking right now as I type this.  

Humanity isn't in danger; they're not attacking it. Homosexuals are just living, just as the sterile/asexual people are.  

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Post by: neb87 on April 29, 2006, 04:37:34 PM

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I hate you all you christian freaks. Now you know what gays feel like. Hated for the way they feel. Thats worse than bing hated for what you believe. You all suck.

Am a athesist, so um yea...

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 29, 2006, 04:40:16 PM

Okay, this is getting really rediculous. Why are you even bothering to argue? Let people have their own beliefs on homsexuality and leave it be. Jesus christ...

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 04:40:57 PM

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In my defence I:

0) Never said it wasn't in the bible. I have not read the bible. I will not read the bible any time soon. I don't care about the bible.
1) You might not have a problem against homosexuals, but then WRITE like you don't have a problem. It looks like you have a problem against them by keeping to refer that the bible finds them EFYL. I don't care, I don't wanna care and I will not care about the bible, the Koran or any other religous boohah book.
2) No I have not noticed that in earlier post you had no problem against homosexuals. See above.
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Again, I'm a christian, the bible says homosexuality is wrong, does that mean I have anything against people who are gay? I don't. Personally i'm never gonna be gay, but if someone else wants to be, thats their own choice, and I respect that.

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Drace, you are a moron.

Yes I am. You are one too, thank you very much.

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So, the Greek/Hebrew/whatever says that homosexuality is wrong? Did you know that in the time that the bible was wrotent that homosexuality was the most average thing on the planet? It was in Rome where almost all Emperors did it. It was in Greece. It was in the entire place where the bible was wroten.

Uh-huh. You don't care about the bible, you have not read it, so when I say something about the bible. I don't know what you were trying to do with that responce, but it sounded a lot like you were trying to disprove what I said about the bible.

1) Ok, well from now on, since you don't know how to read a few posts above your own, I guess I'll have to copy everything I say in every post. I've said that a lot of times that I'm not agaist gays, its not my problem if you're too lazy or stupid to actually read the topic before replying  to it.
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3) see 1
4) Yes, I know, saying what another sorce says about homosexuality makes me a moron. After all, I wrote the bible, so natuarlly if theres something in there that you don't like, you think of me as a moron. So yes, blame me for being a moron since another book says homosexuality is wrong, blame me for not copying every thing I said in every post and repeating them. Blame me for being a moron because your wrong.

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Post by: RPG LORD on April 29, 2006, 04:46:19 PM

If it's for me, this topic makes people annoy eachother.

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Post by: Archem on April 29, 2006, 05:03:05 PM

We need some gays in China.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 05:14:28 PM

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We need some gays in China.

Lol, the ultimate population control :p

This reminds me of that one episode in South Park were the crab people tried to make everyone gay.

You can learn a lot from south park.

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 05:19:52 PM

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We need some gays in China.

ROFL.

DB, let's just give each other our wanted 'Yayz! I won.' and shut it about this topic.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on April 29, 2006, 05:22:39 PM

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Originally posted by Archem2 We need some gays in China.

ROFL.

DB, let's just give each other our wanted 'Yayz! I won.' and shut it about this topic.

Agreed.

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Post by: Archem on April 29, 2006, 06:14:30 PM

Yays, I got quoted twice in a row twice in this thread. I guess I'm just quotable, huh? And I'm glad that both parties seemed to catch my drift (point, not gas).

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Post by: Drace on April 29, 2006, 06:16:06 PM

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Yays, I got quoted twice in a row twice in this thread. I guess I'm just quotable, huh? And I'm glad that both parties seemed to catch my drift (point, not gas).

Don't get all stuck up with it. It's no big deal.

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Post by: Razor on April 29, 2006, 11:58:14 PM

Don't take his advice, Archem. This may be the last time it ever happens; enjoy every minute of it.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on April 30, 2006, 12:05:39 AM

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Don't take his advice, Archem. This may be the last time it ever happens; enjoy every minute of it.

lol, wow, that was awesomely mean.

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Post by: Razor on April 30, 2006, 04:10:29 AM

lol, it wasn't meant to be at all. seriously.
It's generally how I feel about things when I win. "This may be the last time ever; love it for all it's worth!"