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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Djanki on May 22, 2006, 03:45:27 PM

Title: A good anime series
Post by: Djanki on May 22, 2006, 03:45:27 PM

Hello, ladies and gentleman, pwners and n00bs, and people in general of Charas Project forum.

I'm writing a sort of anime-story, and I want it to be really good. Of course, the best way to do that is to know, what do people want? Since you guys are 'the people', I want to know, what does a good anime need? (please, I already know about the skirts. Let's leave that part out).

PS: I'd talk about what the story is about...but I'm really paranoid with this (I'll suffer no pwnzor to steal it!), so all I'll say is this: It deals with gods, magic, demons, psychic powers and aliens. There's no 'space travel'. There are swords (katanas, to be specific). None of the main characters are 'chosen ones' or 'reincarnates' or 'half-demons' or 'Saiyans'. Yes, I'll have fries with that.

Thank you for your help.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on May 22, 2006, 03:56:44 PM

Boobs.

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Post by: Djanki on May 22, 2006, 04:01:33 PM

 _sweat_  Shoulda seen that coming....
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.....does anybody else have a suggestion that doesn't have to do with a girl's mesurements? (Note: Spirited Away had no boobs, and it won an Oscar.)

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on May 22, 2006, 04:20:46 PM

no chosen ones... then what is it based on? random events?

even if it would sound cliche i think a lot of anime are centered on one or two or three people, how the events of the anime led them to be the main characters.

But in my animes I like action, with an akward sense of romance. If you  have seen Samurai X or rurouni kenshin, think of that kind of romance; you know it's there, but it doesnt really develop. Do not attemp a harem anime (one guy who lives around a bunch of females and how lives/deal with it) without knowing how it goes.

I also on them like some kind honorable thoughts from the main character(s), again think RK. Dude dwells on his honor for like ahlf way thru the series.

Give the rest of the characters their own personalities. Is boring seeing the same replica of person in the same anime.

For bad guys or the antigonists let them develop from the story, not just throw a bad guy in there, and if it is to be a person who's been evil for long, introduce him/her as the story goes.

Boobs, skirts and weird chibiness comes last.

Anyway, the top three anime I like are Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X (watched all of the episodes), Fate Stay Night (new series but I a about to finish it), and Erementar Gerad (finished it).

There are others but that's the top 3. Looked them up if you want to study how I came to like those three animes, I've noticed myself there's a pattern.

And I starting to watch Final Fantasy Unlimited, it's weird, but it looks like it might be good.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on May 22, 2006, 04:28:12 PM

Ok, I´ll be serious now (but the boobs should be present anyway). I like action too....but it´s getting old. Unless it´s super original (like Naruto and Bleach), it´ll suck.

I like fun ones. If they´re fun, i´m there. Like Love Hina.
I also like the more adult ones (not Hentai baka!), like Beck. Beck is actually my favourite anime.

I´ll be more specific one I leave work >.>

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Post by: Djanki on May 22, 2006, 04:48:04 PM

No, what I mean in 'No chosen ones' is that the main character isn't something huge, like the King of the Sun or the Reincarnate of the God of Wal*Mart. He's...an alien, yeah, but you learn he really isn't that big a guy (where he's from, anyway).


Boobs, skirts, and the occasional perv-scene (and bath house incident?) Well...the guys are smarter and more mature than the guys usually seen in anime (except for one of them), and the girls aren't ditzes. So...there'll be one guy trying to peek at the girls getting changed, and two trying to stop him, and the girls will be waiting with kunais and spells in case he does show up. I don't like it when you have to resort to showing cleavage to make a good series, though. I wanna keep that to a minimum.

Any other suggestions?
(PS: I watched a bit of Final Fantasy Unlimited myself. It can't compare to the games...but it's worthy of the title of Final Fantasy. Oh, yeah!

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Post by: Drace on May 22, 2006, 05:08:42 PM

I like drama in an anime. That's why I enjoyed Cowboy Bebop so much. Put that sort of drama in it and you're already doing better than all those Pokemon copycats.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on May 22, 2006, 06:04:02 PM

-Avoid a dragonball Z type of thing. Actually have a plot instead of just pointless and endless fighting.

-Well, if you are going for anime, just don't overdo the whole "uber power" thing. Screaming, lightning, and force can be limited.

-I'm pretty sure people are sick of animes that ends with a character gaining more power or getting a more powerful weapon.

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Post by: Drace on May 22, 2006, 06:42:42 PM

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Originally posted by X_marks_the_ed
-Avoid a dragonball Z type of thing. Actually have a plot instead of just pointless and endless fighting.

-Well, if you are going for anime, just don't overdo the whole "uber power" thing. Screaming, lightning, and force can be limited.

-I'm pretty sure people are sick of animes that ends with a character gaining more power or getting a more powerful weapon.

I think the third one falls under the Dragonball Z thing.
I mean, sure it was fun the first couple episodes. But when they came to the point they could destroy a planet without breaking a sweat it went to far.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on May 22, 2006, 06:54:42 PM

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Originally posted by X_marks_the_ed -Avoid a dragonball Z type of thing. Actually have a plot instead of just pointless and endless fighting. -Well, if you are going for anime, just don't overdo the whole "uber power" thing. Screaming, lightning, and force can be limited. -I'm pretty sure people are sick of animes that ends with a character gaining more power or getting a more powerful weapon.

I think the third one falls under the Dragonball Z thing.
I mean, sure it was fun the first couple episodes. But when they came to the point they could destroy a planet without breaking a sweat it went to far.

All of them do...destroying planets and stuff sucks.

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Post by: oooog on May 22, 2006, 08:54:50 PM

Let the Anime Guru answer.

Action - Bleach
Comedy - Love Hina
Scientific Roboty Stuff - Gundam Wing

Others that I thought were excelltent:
Full Metal Panic!
Full Metal Panic?  Fumoffu
Full Metal Panic :  The Second Raid
Full Metal Alchemist
Trigun
Naruto
Samurai Champloo
Dragonball
Hunter X Hunter
Get Backers - (Hi Robotam!  ^_^)
Ruroni Kenshin
Fruits Basket
Chobits
King of Bandit Jing
Flame of Recca
Cowboy Bebop
Read or Die
Yu Yu Hakusho

These are just basic anime's I've watched and enjoyed.  I know several others, but these were the best of the best.  Anyway, if you need a plot summary, I can help ya out.  Just PM, E-mail, or reply to this post.

*EDIT* - Dragonball was a fantastic anime.  Keep in mind I said "Dragonball".  Dragonball "Z", was great until after the Cell Saga.  Because then it become unrealistic even for anime.  Dragonball "GT" just blew.  Everyone was stronger than everything and everyone could blow up everything.

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
And I starting to watch Final Fantasy Unlimited, it's weird, but it looks like it might be good.

*HISS* Evil.  Bad Kijuki.  Put away the Final Fantasy Unlimited, pull out a fresh load of Bleach, Get Backers, Naruto, and/or Gundam Wing, and never regret stopping whilst watching Final Fantasy Unlimited.

Yes, it was that bad.  Disgraced the great Final Fantasy name.

No offense to those of you who liked it.

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Post by: Dragoon de Sol on May 22, 2006, 09:09:48 PM

In anime, I kinda like the sappy love thing occasionally.
And swordsman-style fighting is good.

Just no "uber-power" thing.

And make it to where the main character has a flaw.
Nothing like "Weak power level."

Like...too emotional.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on May 22, 2006, 09:16:26 PM

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Originally posted by oooog


*HISS* Evil.  Bad Kijuki.  Put away the Final Fantasy Unlimited, pull out a fresh load of Bleach, Get Backers, Naruto, and/or Gundam Wing, and never regret stopping whilst watching Final Fantasy Unlimited.

Yes, it was that bad.  Disgraced the great Final Fantasy name.

No offense to those of you who liked it.

I didn't like bleach; it sucked for me. I don't like ninjas, so I am an overall naruto hater, besides the whole turning into a chick thing (for a ninja art, wth) was ridiculous, I liked ranma 1/2 for that better, now that one rocked.. The first series of Gundam Wing rocked, afterwards, the following GW series they all sucked.

That's why I am now resorting to watching fresh series in japan. FFU was my roomates idea, so I am just side watching it.

I know my anime thank you very much, and very picky on them =D

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 22, 2006, 10:01:46 PM

You need a mix of action, an original/different style, and a good plot. Now, a good example of this is (You all know where I'm going) Big-O. It has action where it fits and is not forced in like many animes, and many help to convey the overall plot of the story, which is well thought out as well. The style is different from many animes out at the time as well.

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Post by: oooog on May 22, 2006, 10:41:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kijuki_Magazaki
I didn't like bleach; it sucked for me. I don't like ninjas, so I am an overall naruto hater, besides the whole turning into a chick thing (for a ninja art, wth) was ridiculous, I liked ranma 1/2 for that better, now that one rocked.. The first series of Gundam Wing rocked, afterwards, the following GW series they all sucked.

That's why I am now resorting to watching fresh series in japan. FFU was my roomates idea, so I am just side watching it.

I know my anime thank you very much, and very picky on them =D

1.)  Ranma 1/2 was ok, however, it started off sort of slow.

2.)  FFU really isn't that fresh in Japan, and I personally despised it.  However, it would appear we have different opinion's on anime, so you may like it.

3.)  Who can hate Ninja's?  Naruto and Bleach are great anime's, however they start slow.  Since you hate ninja's, Naruto wont work, but Bleach, Bleach is a great anime, you just need to give it time.  Thats why I didn't like FFU, it started slow, and stayed slow.

4.)  There was only one Gundam Wing, your probably referring to Gundam Seed/Destiny/etc.  Which I agree, weren't very good.

5.)  I am picky about anime as well.  But, it is always good to hear the other opinion.  

(I'm not trying to be rude to you or anything.  Just in case you felt I was, I just want ya to know I'm not trying to be.  =D)

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Post by: chronoman on May 22, 2006, 11:01:26 PM

It would be good if people die or get hurt I like a little reality in my anime or other wise it is just pointless I mean the point is they are not invincible they are people. My favorite of all time would be samuri seven an extemly good remake of the classic tale of the samuri who protect a village in exchange for rice. Though the one I watch had huge @$$ robots it was real the drama of the story as well as the premice was awsome. If you haven't watched it make sure you do.

P.S. Hihachi Rules!!!!!

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Post by: Archem on May 22, 2006, 11:55:48 PM

The best thing I can suggest is to have a verry involving stroy. Story is way better than action (take a look at some of your favorite RPGs), even though action can carry the story through some tough spots. Everything I make, I work on story first. Also (despite the somewhat emo-impression stigma'd to it), death, obvious mortality, and psomewhat psychoticism is a very good way to get fun out of your work (but don't go too heavy on the second part since not everyone likes the weird stuff). Sorry if anythin I said was already mentioned, I didn't bother to read too much.

Title: You see how far we go when we don't think about boobs?
Post by: Djanki on May 23, 2006, 03:43:52 AM

Okay, cool. I'm gonna research all the mentioned anime, and see what  I can rustle up with them. I'm feeling adventurous, so I'll give you guys a basic jist of what the story is about.

It's set in a made-up feudal Japan--it's got Samurai, and peope wear robes, but I got the silly idea to make small-skirt school uniforms that are still robes for girls (where'd that come from?)
The story starts with dealing with eugenics, in a way--a guy doesn't want half-breeds running around and ruining the pure-bloods. What's worse, he's the Emperor, who acended to power in a questionable way (mostly a WW2 reference). After that...heck...not much of an overtone...the main character has to find and kill demons that  take over people. Along the way, the party is exposed to the story of three Goddesses and the creation of Life, which ends with an evil being sealed within the Sun. During which, said main character falls in love with a Human. Some of the comedy comes from standard one-liners, acts of confusion done by an alien, and a few perv-moments.
The story will have cat-girls (and cat- guys too), sentient dolls (think Saber Marionette J, and take away the whole 'harem' setting. It's just one girl), and a fairy (as in a sprite) who follows the main character, and trys, at every turning, to hook up with 'it'.

I understand the whole "he'll destroy the whole world!" thing, so I'll leave that to the final villain. Also, the main-character, although honorable, is really light-hearted. Think of having Kenshin in his 'happy' mood, but constantly. The guy gets mad only once in a while.

And be sure, this is no Pokémon copycat. No stupid, childish, "I'm gonna be the best (whatever!) here. More rather, "I'm going to finish my mission!".

My biggest fear is that it's going to run really slow. I've got four chapters in 35 pages in.

Thanks for the help. If anyone has any more suggestions, I'll take 'em. Oh...and, like I said, I'm trying to keep the cleavage to a minimum.

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Post by: RuneBlade on May 23, 2006, 04:44:13 AM

Theres a short 4 episode anime called Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro Chan, seriously what can go wrong with a kawaii little girl hitting a guys head of with a spiked mace, blood splatters everywhere and then after chanting PIPIPIRUPIRUPII or sumting hes back alive?

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on May 23, 2006, 09:56:09 AM

Two important things: First. DBZ's big problem was that no-one died, everyone could be brought back. Sucked.

Second, like in RPGs, characters are the most important thing in an anime, so work hard to give them a reason. They need to be different, they need to have conflicts both within themselves and between each other, there will be better friends and rivals. We come here to the FF8 syndrome where all the characters were from the same background basically and they were pretty boring.

Oh yeah, and boobies. :D

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Post by: Grandy on May 24, 2006, 03:08:09 PM

 If you want to know how strong should the characters be, I'd say as strong as Kenshin Himura (Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X) or Monkey D. Ruffy(One Piece) by that I mean, not strong enough to destroy a city, but strong enough to kill 10-15 goons at the same time, without getting hurt. Depending of the situation, there can even be 50 goons, of the kind that the "One-Hit-Kill" rules apply.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on May 24, 2006, 03:52:58 PM

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If you want to know how strong should the characters be, I'd say as strong as Kenshin Himura (Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X) or Monkey D. Ruffy(One Piece) by that I mean, not strong enough to destroy a city, but strong enough to kill 10-15 goons at the same time, without getting hurt. Depending of the situation, there can even be 50 goons, of the kind that the "One-Hit-Kill" rules apply.

YEAH! I hate the "I hate strong heroes" tendency. Like, Suikoden 5 is the best RPG for the PS2 and number one, side by side, with FF7 in my RPG list. BUT: the heroe is so weak that sometimes I wish I could just take him away from the party! Same goes for anime series that involve combat: the heroe must be outstanding, cause otherwise it´ll be boring.

If you´re aiming for funny non combat anime you should aim for weak characters.

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Post by: Archem on May 24, 2006, 06:20:16 PM

Cleavage. :blue-eye:

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Post by: Drace on May 24, 2006, 08:03:56 PM

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Cleavage. :blue-eye:

 :mrT:... that doesn't want cleavage.

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Post by: Djanki on May 25, 2006, 04:19:50 AM

*ahem*...I guess that means I'm a fool...
(only one of my girl characters is big chested, but she doesn't appear for a while).

In retrospect, does anime really need cleavage? Look at 'Aika': Pure, unadultrated crap, all for the sake of fanservice. I quote Rukia in the second volume of the Bleach manga:
"Curse those sick b@$$$$ds back at the clinic! They're all about legs and boobs when it's muscle I need!"

I couldn't agree more. *Puts on a 'I <3 Rukia' shirt*.

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Post by: Drace on May 25, 2006, 04:38:06 AM

My opinion, if you want a good anime you should show the world like it really is. And the world has big'uns, lil'uns and cleavage.

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Post by: Archem on May 25, 2006, 05:11:17 AM

And I continue to smile at the conversation. Or I can just do this:  :)

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Post by: Weregnome on May 25, 2006, 07:41:39 AM

As much as I agree with you searching for audience's opinions upon best animes, I would personally not use this too much. The anime you create should also be what u want and love, and you should also make a choice on majority of your hates. U can't please everyone.

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Post by: Osmose on May 25, 2006, 09:08:09 AM

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_sweat_  Shoulda seen that coming....
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.....does anybody else have a suggestion that doesn't have to do with a girl's mesurements? (Note: Spirited Away had no boobs, and it won an Oscar.)

Brokeback Mountain won a few oscaras and that movie was HORRIBLE. Oscars does not a good movie make.

Boobs are a staple of good anime.

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Post by: Djanki on May 26, 2006, 02:19:18 AM

All men (and women), answer me this:
Did you cry after or during your viewing of Spirited Away, or did you cry? I almost did.

Hayao Miyazaki pwns all!

PS: Good idea for the 'your own idea' thing, Weregnome--that's where I got the 'japanese school-robe/skirt' idea. Problem is, last time I demonstrated a 'my idea' game, I was called an idiot, and it was called 'teh suckzors'. At any rate, I'll do that...the world needs more demons who only act like jerks!


And less cleavage--it's a staple in anime, but....is it  that  necessary? Rukia (Bleach) is flat. Kaoru (Kenshin) is normal. Sakura (Naruto) is an ironing board. I could go on, but I have insufficient anime knowlegde.

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Post by: Archem on May 26, 2006, 02:28:53 AM

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Originally posted by Djanki
All men (and women), answer me this:
Did you cry after or during your viewing of Spirited Away, or did you cry? I almost did.

Nope. It was an ok movie, but I just didn't feel too much for it... there's a dirty joke in there somewhere, but I can't quite find it... Anyways, boobs aren't always necessary, but they generally do show a part of the character (sexiness, the image of lust, etc.), and they're just damn fun to look at! *gets smacked by a female forum-goer who is offended* Ow, :blue-eye: my pride...

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 26, 2006, 02:34:03 AM

Spirited Away was one of my least favorite Miyazaki movies. But boobs make a good anime. It just does. If you don't want boobs, fine, but don't expect anyone to actually watch it. This of course only applies to traditional generic animes, the type I'm sure youre making.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on May 26, 2006, 09:46:20 AM

You exegerate (sp?) the importance of boobs. Sure they're nice to look at but my fav anime's Trigun and it's pretty boob-less. If you wanna watch anime just for the boobs watch hentai, but if you wanna make a good anime focus on the plot and characters. (and of course there should be boobs, I'm just saying that it's not like "as long as it has boobs it's good")

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on May 26, 2006, 08:23:11 PM

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Originally posted by Djanki
All men (and women), answer me this:
Did you cry after or during your viewing of Spirited Away, or did you cry?

I didn't cry, but I found it very entertaining. That is a good example of anime.

Notice something?

-No boobs
-Only mild language
-Pure imagination

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Sung by Willy Wonka
Nothing... can compare... to the sight of pure imagination.

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Post by: Archem on May 26, 2006, 08:41:02 PM

It's an unwritten rule that boobs make anime great. Of course, as with all rules, there are exceptions. That's all I need to say.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 26, 2006, 10:24:02 PM

Is anyone here actualy serious about the boobs? Just askin.

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Post by: Djanki on May 26, 2006, 11:50:58 PM

Okay, I'll be honest...the first scene of R.O.D., when Yomuki is coming out from under that pile of books, I was all 0_o. Then, in the near-ending, when Nancy (or her clone) had her hand through her torso, I turned green with envy. I'm not serious about boobs, though. I'm okay with skirts, but not the chests.
 I DON'T want to have to depend on boobs, because once you do, your anime is nothing but lame fanservice. Examples:
Aika
Burn Up Warrior
most Harem-anime

Also, I think that girls don't like being portrayed as big-chested (most of the time) idiots. Give me a girl with brains and no boobs--I'll be happier (or, like Yomuko, both!)

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Post by: Archem on May 27, 2006, 12:11:24 AM

Both sounds good.

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Post by: Drace on May 27, 2006, 08:22:40 AM

I like smart, middle-sized boobs girls. And I know a few so smart girls do indeed have boobs.

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Post by: Big_Duke on May 27, 2006, 11:10:53 AM

How 'bout an anime that involves shooting, and ghosts, and mysteries, and shooting, and more shooting, and fighting, did I mention shooting?
Oh, and shooting too.

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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on May 27, 2006, 11:52:24 AM

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How 'bout an anime that involves shooting, and ghosts, and mysteries, and shooting, and more shooting, and fighting, did I mention shooting?
Oh, and shooting too.

Classic case of Rioshaw-itis.

(A bad american attempt to make an anime about war.)

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 27, 2006, 04:53:26 PM

An anime doesn't have to be japanese to be good. Megas XLR kicked *** and it was american. And don't tell me its not anime, because the style clearly is in that form.

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Post by: RuneBlade on May 27, 2006, 05:28:50 PM

Big shocker:


















I never saw Spirited Away

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Post by: oooog on May 27, 2006, 05:40:50 PM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
An anime doesn't have to be japanese to be good. Megas XLR kicked *** and it was american. And don't tell me its not anime, because the style clearly is in that form.

Megas is a tricky series.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the show as well, but I don't think it qualified as an anime.  At the same time however, I do think it did.  I consider it a half anime.  An "Ani" if you will.  I felt it fell also in the same cartoony category as The Simpsons and Futurama.  Just my opinon.

I never saw Sprited Away either.

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Post by: Djanki on May 28, 2006, 03:08:32 AM

To those who haven't seen Spirited Away: I don't blame you. I myself didn't see it until last March. They gave it in March, however, on Toonami, along with Naalsca, and Princess of Mononoke.

Dang, I couldn't see any! A friend lended me her Spirited Away DVD--I don't have cable.

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Post by: Archem on May 28, 2006, 03:13:07 AM

Dude, I LOVED Megas. Why don't they show it anymore!? It was so cool! And I only use the word "cool" when it truly is cool!

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 28, 2006, 03:26:35 AM

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Dude, I LOVED Megas. Why don't they show it anymore!? It was so cool! And I only use the word "cool" when it truly is cool!

You just got back those TT points in double XD

*Scrolling through buttons*
This is the button you want
Don't push this button
For the love of all mankind DON'T PUSH THIS BUTTON!
DOOMSDAY! *Hits*

As far as Miyazaki movies go, Howls Moving Castle is by far my fav, then its Nausicaa, then Castle in the Sky, then MAYBE Spirited Away.