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Off-Topic => Archive => Old Game Discussion => Topic started by: aboutasoandthis on May 22, 2006, 09:21:45 PM
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This is related to my game. If anyone thinks it should be moved please move it. It's kind of a personal issue.
I'm actually a 16 year old black kid who lives 20 minutes outside of St. Louis. I listen to Hip-Hop (Mainstream, Underground, and some old stuff). My favorite rappers are Nas, Lil Wayne, Murs, The Game, Common, and I just heard about Little Brother. I'm kind of a regular kid. Also I do not speak like I post. I just like to type like this over the internet.
Originaly Seda and Amaru were Black but I decided to put in the new races. My favorite race Nu Mou of FF Tactics Advance was cut out of FF12. I'm still pissed.
Now in my game none of my main characters are black. I know that. What I want is to explain why Black Mages and actual Black People don't mix in FF. I'm okay with it but I have white friends who think it's weird that I play Final Fantasy.
Instead of main characters, I put black folks as some of the most important people in the game. The entire community of Annelist people is 90 percent black (NOT AN ACTUAL ESTIMATE), Darrius Bryant the dragoon from Vailles is black, The Cid is still white but he grew up in the Gaston Undercity (That is a mostly black neighborhood) and Darrius is his best friend.
Also, the espers in my game represent the concept of slavery and the after effects of it. This is the real part that is getting at me. Should I change it? The espers are based on the ones from Final Fantasy 9. They change their physical form, their mentality, and their emotions based on the thoughts of the Humes. In itself it's a good idea, but I want to know if it offends anyone. If it does I can change it.
Like I said before, If this belongs in the wrong section please move it. I'm new so I don't know any better. I want to know if I'm normal or If I'm sick and crazy. I wanted to write about things I knew. Yes I know drug dealers, yes I have seen guns outside of school, and yes I know, have been called, and use the n word. I want help. I don't really know what I'm asking. I'm not biased, prejudicial, or racist at all. I'm not biased against anyone who is gay . I may be Christian but I will never judge a person if they are of a different religion or if they do not practice any known religions.
If I'm offending anyone right now please tell me. If my storyline is crossing the boundry line don't be afraid to say so. I will change it. I ask for the opinions of those from different backgrounds. Am I normal, twisted, or just confused? I really need help on this.
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Dude it's cool with me. I don't think you should change a bit, or even do so if anyone say's they are offended by it. If it's what you believe, and you like it, don't change it for no one. It's yours.
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moved to games
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I also dislike how most of the heroes in video games are mostly white. Probably because the Japanese game makers are all a bunch of jerks. So yeah, go ahead.
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But why are they white? Asians made them O_o
If you want to make a game with ideas sprouting from the concept of freedom, desperation, sorrow and emotions generally associated with the black slavery, go ahead, but if you go extremist and carry across the subliminal idea of "White people = bad; black people= good" like I have seen similar games/stories/movies do, you would ruin it completely.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
But why are they white? Asians made them O_o
If you want to make a game with ideas sprouting from the concept of freedom, desperation, sorrow and emotions generally associated with the black slavery, go ahead, but if you go extremist and carry across the subliminal idea of "White people = bad; black people= good" like I have seen similar games/stories/movies do, you would ruin it completely.
Yeah, that's true. But you seem like a very practical guy, so I'm expecting (and hoping) for a realistic outlook.
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No, no one race in my game is evil at all. I'm not that kind of person. In fact I've been raised around a good deal of both white and black people. Since all FF games have a theme I want the theme "Look past appearances and see a person from the inside." I have some awesome antagonists in my story. One is black. A few are white. Some aren't of the human race. They are all very deep and I've worked hard to write them. In fact some of them aren't evil at all.
In case you're wondering, I want to become a novelist. I already have a good idea about the story I want to do.
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Well, I lot of people think characters are the heart of the story. ::)
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I like playing as white people (only because I'm light skinned), but I don't have a problem with any race of people (I would have a pretty hard time playing GTA:SA, wouldn't I?). And you shouldn't be worried about offending people based on character color, it's your game. Just put in a disclaimer somewhere if you feel it'll offend someone.
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I think there are to little (or no) games that show black people non steoreotipical (sp?). In games like GTA and all the gangsta games. Me personaly i don't really like hip hop and i am black so sue me.
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Your espers sound more like Aeons from FFX.
The spirits helping the ones they summon in the form of their greatest power, so to speak.
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I'm white and I'm not a honkey. So yeah, black people can be none-gangsta, of course.
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Stereotypes and labels suck period. I myself am not just one label. At anyone time I could be called skater, rocker, punk, hippy, geek, bookworm, retard, etc. And this can be said for pretty much anyone who ever decided to just be themselves. Another falacy(sp?) of society uncovered.
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Great way of showing Critism to the world.
I myself have a colour as well, but I'm not offended, after all, it's your game, your fantasy, your world, and I respect it :)
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I am offended. But I just wont play your game, it's biased and racist.
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Thank you for posting your comments. I'm actually glad to have opinions that contradict me.
I am offended. But I just wont play your game, it's biased and racist.
Wow. I've never been called racist before. Wierd. If you're still reading this Desimodontidae can you tell me why I'm racist? I'm not mad. Remember this topic is about whether or not something is wrong with me. If you think I'm racist because I'm not using all black characters, that is more offensive to me than anything. This may be my first game, but it is DEFINITELY NOT MY FIRST STORY. That feels like racism coming from you to me. If you tell me why you think I'm racist I'll shut up.
For everyone else, I think you are missing the point. The points of my storyline are
1.) Why Black Mages and actual African-Americans do not coexist in Final Fantasy games.
2.) Should my espers come from a history of slavery and should they be the central theme of my game.
Any other thoughts on what is in my game are non-existent. Please give me a reason as to why you think I'm racist before you accuse me of this.
If this gets out of hand or becomes a flame war (Yes I know what that is) then either I or somebody else will delete it.
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Actually Desimodontidae I apologize. I directly contradicted myself. I said that I would change my storyline if anyone thought it was racist. You don't have to post if you don't want to. I just wanted to know why. I got mad but I decided to let it go. I'm sorry, but since you didn't give me a reason the current storyline will stay. I'm sorry you won't be playing my game.
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1.) Why Black Mages and actual African-Americans do not coexist in Final Fantasy games?
A: There is no reason they souldn't. A Black Mage is a class. An African-American Mage is a person who is a mage. African- Americans can be Whte Mages, can't they?
In one game, they ate not kept seperate. Barret Wallace is African-American, and Tifa/Aeries are Black Mages.
2.) Should my espers come from a history of slavery and should they be the central theme of my game?
A: I admit that this would add quite a bit of originality. it would be a good idea IF you didn;t milk the concept. Do not make the espers modeled after the bloody, gory side of it. Just the unfair of it all.
And why not center your storyline on them. FF6, FF9, and FF10 did it.
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I think it sounds good; racism is a good theme for games. Ever played Tales of Symphonia? That game is a good example of racism used effectively as a thematic element.
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1. Asakura (Desdimonte) is an ***, not offended. He's being sarcastic. Ignore him. :P
2.The Black Mage comment (since I'm a Black Mage fanatic [who, ironically, rarely ever plays as one when given the choice :P]) made me think about how Black Mages are portrayed, specifically in FF9, since that's the only Final Fantasy I know of that actually treats them as a seperate race (built by humans, but a race nonetheless).
They can actually be compared to a few things in real life. Firstly, they're a minority in the world and are forced into the service of the empire, grouped into a single town, and yet they still develop a sort of family kinship and a culture unique to themselves. That's a big heaping of slavery analogy right there, although I highly doubt it's intentional (most "deep" messages are unintentional, IMO)
The other one is an analogy to Artificial Intelligence - if a machine feels, is it human? How does it validate it's existance?
3. Don't worry about whether your game offends people or not. It's yours, and you shouldn't need to justify the game on the approval of others unless you're aiming to make a profit from it rather than the simple desire to make a game.
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I took it seriously. Really funny to me. lol.
Osmose: The esper comparison to slavery was intentional but now that you talked about the Black Mages, I got to thinking. For espers and Black Mages, everything about community and service to someone else was already in my game's backstory. I didn't even think of how deep it was until just now.
Dragoon de Sol: Like osmose said, I was talking about the black mages like Vivi from Final Fantasy 9 and maybe the heartless from Kingdom Hearts. Thanks for the comments.
YankeePaladin: Was that on the gamecube? It was a cool game. I didn't get to finish it though cause it was a rental.
I feel much better about this now. Thank you everybody.
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Tales of Symphonia was on Gamecube and PS2, I believe. I agree, great game. FFX also had some good anti- racist themes as well, although ToS's themes were more central to the plot.
As for your own game, make sure to give every character some level of humanity. Racism is a human evil, not an inhuman one, after all.
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In Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and soon to be FF12, the Bangaa did not want to be called "lizard men." This is because there is a Bangaa race who are actually murderous and eat everything in sight. Most Bangaa don't want to associate with them. This will greatly affect my character Faust.
If you need proof about the lizard men go to this link:
http://ffxii.net/?nav=game/race
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Add a mexican in there!
No wait let me do that....DO NOT ADD A MEXICAN IN THERE.
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seriously:
I always wondered why main chracaters are always white. I look for good fantasy games with blakc main charcaters...with blakc characters at all mostly, and I see non.
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Originally posted by Heradite
I always wondered why main chracaters are always white. I look for good fantasy games with blakc main charcaters...with blakc characters at all mostly, and I see non.
It's a fact that most black people play sports games, and it's also a fact that there are more white people in places that vender video games. Hence, normally, an RPG would have a white character because a person basically tries to imagine themselves as that character, and that would be harder if the guy wasn't your skin color.
Originally posted by Dragoon de Sol
African- Americans can be Whte Mages, can't they?
A black whte mage huh?
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
In Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and soon to be FF12, the Bangaa did not want to be called "lizard men." This is because there is a Bangaa race who are actually murderous and eat everything in sight. Most Bangaa don't want to associate with them. This will greatly affect my character Faust.
If you need proof about the lizard men go to this link:
http://ffxii.net/?nav=game/race
Don't worry, I've played FFTA, but that's not exactly what I meant. I mean, the Bangaa aren't human, but have human characteristics; that is, they can talk, think, and feel. Just don't make your characters completely bad or anything like that.