Charas-Project
Off-Topic => Really Old Stuff => Archive => Mini Teams => Topic started by: Merancapeman on May 29, 2006, 05:54:52 PM
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Hey, how many of you out there really want to do a remake of FFVII using RM2K3? Seeing as how my temporary job on the team is to look for folks to help us, I was thinking thisi s the place to ask - considering all of the talent that's sitting around here. Of course, I am not aware if I've posted in the wrong area here, but the place said "Games", so...
Anyways, we need whoever wants to help. The site is http://ff72d.co.nr/ and anyone that wants to join the team is welcome. We need a BIG team if we don't want to screw this game up, and many of you might want to join JUST SO it doesn't get screwed up, so PLEASE HELP!!!
PLEASE. This is the only job I've got at the moment, so don't make it COMPLETELY worthless! :(
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Truthfully, that doesn't tell anyone much.
You may want to give some more information and link to a website with actual info.
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Why would you want to make a 2d version of FFVII on rm2k3? Anyone could just download FFVII and play it on a playstation emulator in 3d. No matter how hard you try, you won't be able to make the game as good as the original, and certainly not better with rm2k3. I'd suggest spending your time on something a little more worth while. If you really want to work on FFVII, make a sequal or something, but a remake is pointless if the remade version is worse than the original.
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What would people do if they join the team
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ROFL. Wow, great way to ask for help dude. You're practically on your knees begging.
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Its a task for the 1000th remake of FF7 in RPGM. Your job already is worthless. The only worthwhile FF7 remake I've ever seen is the one that Prof was workin on, and that was because he was making in 3D with RM2K and not just collection random resources to make a shitty game.
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FFVII/7 was good, why ruin it by making a shitty remake?, obviously you are new to this, so you dont know how many people have tried in the past, give up and try doing something "original"
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Alright, LISTEN HERE you band of tyrants, you make a damn good point, but don't SHOVE IT IN MY FACE!!! And NO, you shadowless dweeb, I'm NOT new to this. I'll have you know I'm already a part of four "original" projects. Why don't YOU go do something besides hovering around boards and finding as many people as you can to flip off.
I have been made the wiser, certainly, by your "worthless" bantering of negativity, and out of the small place in my heart I must say thanks. It's clear that my undertaking is a tad bit ridiculous and that nothing, NOTHING could be better than the original. However, I took part in this project, not because I wanted to see it finished, but because I wanted to help someone out, whether or not it was going to fail. Whatever the HELL you guys think, I do not consider the project worthless because whether or not it is bad, this guy needed my help. That's all that matters. If you want to blow up about that, go right ahead. I DON'T CARE. Just realize how thoughtless you guys are being. It is in NO WAY your right to label ANYTHING as worthless or pointless or whatever. Please, take sympathy. I'm helping him, and I don't care what happens. Sure, it could be a waste of time, but as long as I'm helping him, HE doesn't think so. I'll work with that. Can you?
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If you want to blow up about that, go right ahead.
Us blow up? You were the first person to even use an exclamation point. We don't think its worthwhile, and it is well within our rights to think it is a shitty idea. Freedom of thought n' all. If you however think it is a good idea, knock yourself out, but DO NOT get upset when someone has a diffference in opinion than you.
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Overacting much?
Shadowless said what has been said and what will be said.
FF7 shouldn't be talked about in the same breath as RM2K3.
In conclusion, FF7 = not original.
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I'll put their responses in ighter terms.
*deep breath*
3D is better than 2D.
Why make a 2D remake when the 3D is out?
No offense. It is an original idea, but not an original game.
You could try making a sequel that takes place after FF7:AC about maybe Cloud dying or something.
Or
It can take place before hand, like the origin of the life-stream.
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So you say you want to make a remake of FFVII over RPG2k3? It's cool with me. It's your game, your dream, your time, so you can do what you want to with it. What makes it better is that you're helping a friend. That's cool.
Now about you asking for help: I'm sorry to say this but, I hope no one here is going to help you. I actually went to your forum. I didn't see much, and from what I've already seen , it looks like you stole almost all of those sprites. I have those and even better ones. To me, and probably to many people, it sounds like you're not that serious about this project. Why would anyone want to spend there time working on a remake that:
-will not be as good as the original
-will not be as great looking as the original
-will have a completely stolen musical score
-will not have the same programming as the original
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-is not their original idea
I'm not saying you can't ask for help. I'm saying that you have to prove that you and your friend are willing to dedicate your time to this. Most everybody here has their own projects to work on. Plus, here, Final Fantasy Fangames are looked down upon here. I should know as I'm making my own. You have to prove to everyone that what you are doing isn't a waste of time.
What you can do to prove yourself:
-Post screens
In your case, this is probably the best thing you can do.
-List Custom Features That You Will Make Without Help
A project this ambitious (and in my opinion stupid) will need a Custom Menu System, A Custom Battle System, Compressed Full Motion Videos, Several Minigames, and Looping MIDIS of Final Fantasy Music.
-Give Us Info About The 4 Projects You Talked About
This will show everyone how much effort you put into your projects.
-Give Us Something That Took A Lot Of Effort
Give a Flash Video or a minigame side project that obviously took a lot of time.
I'm not going to talk like everyone else here. If you want to make a Final Fantasy Fangame go right ahead. Remember, games made like this are a priviledge, a gift to everyone else. Remember to have fun with this. I have to say I personally am not going to help you unless you prove what you are doing is worth something.
Oh and by the way, Final Fantasy VII might a remake on the Playstation 3 with Final Fantasy XII's battle system. I know some of you will say that it was just a tech demo, but there have been a recent rise of screens where the graphics are not very FMVish but look like the new Metal Gear Solid game instead.
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*sigh* I'll say it again; you guys have made excellent points. In my personal opinion, it wasn't such a hot idea in the first place. People (like muah, for instance) LOVED FFVII so much they were willing to do anything to get a taste of something else like it, but this is not entirely the case here. I simply wanted to help him because I felt like helping him out because I know how I would feel if I wanted to do a project like that. I'm ALSO going to restate that this IS NOT my project. I'm HELPING someone with it. It's NOT my dream, it's NOT my game (it is however, my time).
I'm not going to prove myself however, because I know we will most likely NEVER finish this project. I'm handing this guy sprites, writing tips, advice and whatnot to help him, but in all my life I've never seen a remake (and by god, don't think I don't know the difference between "original" and "COP-FRIGGIN-OFF") like this pull off anything higher than a middle-finger and a "go do something that's WORTH IT". I'm telling him what aboutasoandthis told me. I know that nothing will ever be better than FFVII (that is, until the PS3 version comes out. I am CERTAIN that it will come out, despite the fact it was just a tech demo. I think I've even heard that the company is actually taking back what it said about NOT making it, but I could be wrong there). Thank you, Dragoon, for saying kind words. Constructive, and unwasteful. If people really want to put there two cents in, I'd rather it be constructive and not a chain of rude put-downs like"Your job already is worthless" or "give up and try doing something 'original'". If anyone is going to complain about what's going on, they might as well add some frigging pointers instead of sitting there with a hammer of judgement and a mind full of supposed wisdom and deeming me worthy of such banter.
I am making it seriously clear that I am HELPING him. It's HIS baby, it's HIS time, HIS dream, so if you want to bash ANYONE, talk to him and interrogate him. I want to help him, so get OFF my back, PLEASE. I don't care WHO has better sprites, I don't CARE IF IT'S ORIGINAL OR FRIGGIN NOT, It's his project, and I'm helping him out. Don't want to help? Fine. Don't fill the thread with "why ruin it by making a shitty remake?" Because truthfully it has nothing to do with my post. I asked, "Who wants to help?" not "Who wants to critisize it?"
Curious, do you treat EVERYONE like this? I hope not, because if a simple thing like this can get bashed to hell like that, there's something wrong here. It started out innocent, and then you guys just add unneccessary negative crap. What your filling this thread up with is apparently known to all - that a remake isn't worth it. I'm sick of repeating "I don't care" over and over again. I can see nobody wants to help, and that's all I wanted to know. My mission, worthless or not, is seemingly over. You don't want to help, fine. Instead of the crap you gave me, be more informative by adding what you'd think would be better, not by what is already known.
I've had enough of this.
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FF7 sucked.
Why don't people make a FFT remake, or a FF9 remake?
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I said the idea sucked, as did most people. There were no personal attacks towards you, and YOU are the one who got angry for us cricizing HIS baby, HIS project, and HIS idea. Stop being such a hipocryte.
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Hey, now, a hypocrite, by definition is "a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold himself". I'm not being a hypocrite, and you misunderstand when you mention critisizing HIS baby. I'm saying either help, or don't. You are saying it's a wortheless endevor, and that may sound like criticism to the project, but I take that personally and as harm towards Fatboi (the guy who's wanting to make it). You are saying that we seemingly waste our time on foolhardy quest of granduer.
I posted at his site, in case you were all wondering, and said what you have told me. I told him that we really are doing everything unoriginal- music, graphics, plot, everything. I said that people are most likely not going to play it because so many of these have been done before, and that we should probably do something else. Perhaps in the same genre, but make it a sequel or a prequel or something. You know, I got that message only a few times in that whole conversation. The rest was needless, and that really makes me upset because all you had to say was what I said to Fatboi. SUGGEST, if you will. I got angry because you put forth your ideas in a rude and unneccessary manner. If anything, I am free of an hypocrisy in this situation, so don't try and add LABELS now, okay?
Someone said FFVIII would be a good thing for a remake, but I think it would be the same unoriginal thing going on. Believe it or not, I've never played tactics or FF9. Are they really good?
I'd ask for help on my FF: Spiritflow project, but.... Now I'm a little discouraged.
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I can't see how anyone here was rude. Oh well. Take this respectfully: I personally am not helping. If I sounded rude to you, I apologize because it wasn't supposed to come out that way.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Why don't people make a FFT remake, or a FF9 remake?
Because 9/10 chance that this little occurance might happen again.
And I wa thinking about a FF9 remake.
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Any FF game remake would be fine as long as its not FF7. FF7 may well be the worlds most overrated game. I really would wanna see an FF9 remake, maybe even an FF Legends remake.
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I could probably pull an FF9 remake, but not on my own, by any means.
And not at this time.
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Still, is FF9 or Tactics good? If so, would you say it was better than FF7? I'm curious, what game WOULD you consider for a remake?
Hey, aboutasoandthis, if you didn't intend it than I'm more dreafully sorry than you and I apologize. I admit, I did go overboard, but what happened here was like someone going up to Queen and saying "You SUCK" when they should have said, "Listen, that song wasn't too good. Turn up your mic."
Sorry.
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No, no. When it comes to RM2K remakes of games like FF7, it does suck. There is no "This is not a good idea. I'll be polite" involved. They've been seen so many times, anyone with common sense should realize not to make it.
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Just because the graphics suck on a game does not mean it cannot be as good as the original.
That is like saying "50 Cent: Bulletproof is good because it's graphics are good."
I have played that game.
It's graphics are good, but playing that damn game is lying crawling through glass without a shirt, stomach down.
Sorry, that is what I would have rather been doing than playing that game.
If done well, a 2D FF7 can be a lot better than the 3D.
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It can't be alot better, because it isn't the real thing. Strawberry candy can't taste MORE strawberry then the real fruit, because its not. A 2D FF7 remake may be similar to the original, but it won't be the same FF7, and to say it could be a better FF7 makes no sense, because while it may share the same story etc, its not FF7, and it can never be.
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Who cares if the game is gonna suck or not? Who cares if the idea was stupid? Who cares if it is not gonna be as good as the original? Who cares if a lot of attempted remakes came before? That's not the point. The point was whether or not anyone wanted to help. For some reason, you want to stop it from happening. It's wierd because it feels like you're not even reading the posts. Can everyone please just give him what he wants?:
Will you help with his friends project?
Yes/No
Please respect this guy's wish and don't put anything else. I think this is all he wants.
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Do I wish it wouldn't be made? Yes. Can I do anything? No. But I can still post my opinion. This is in the games section not requests, I can post my opinions on his games and ideas if I so wish.
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ok, sorry for caling you "new to this" i just assumed that you are because of your low post count, and most people new to rmg making try making remakes of good games
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Originally posted by Merancapeman
Still, is FF9 or Tactics good? If so, would you say it was better than FF7? I'm curious, what game WOULD you consider for a remake?
Yes, IMO anyways.
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Both were better then FF7. My only complaint about the one of them is the fact that they HAD to bring Cloud into a side quest in Tactics. I didn't want to play as him in 7, why would I play as him in T? I had him join, took his items, and banished his ***.
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:( Yikes, am I ashamed...
It's apparent people REALLY hate that idea. Listen, I'll PM this guy and give mention that a remake is a bad idea. I'll do my best to convince him to at LEAST make a sequel or prequel. Even then, it will still be a sort of cop-off, but it seems better than a remake. Your logic is 100% sound, so don't think I'm not listening. In all honesty, I have FFVI for the PC, so what use would I have for a remake of it on an RPM system when I can have the REAL DEAL?
Despite the fact it came out a little... odd.... I must say I've learned an important lesson, and I thank you all for it. Yes, I did blow up, but I really am glad you guys brought the truth to the light. FFVII + RPM = ... hold on.... haven't I seen this before?
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Yeah, you may have acted a little extreme there for a little, but really, everyone kept repeating the same thing over and over again, so its understandable. And seriously, theres only so many times you can say "its shity" before it gets really old and sickening.
Anyway, here is my advice to you. If YOU don't like a game, don't work on it. You're not getting paid for this, so you might as well enjoy making games, and if you don't like the game you're working on, then just don't work on it.
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You werent getting criticized cause who you are or because we treat everyone like this. A lot of the members here just look down on final fantasies.. SPECIALLY 7, essentially cause they turn out bad and greatly ashame the original. Have they no proof anything is being with effort, they will look down at this. Dont take it personally.
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There's no actual game discussion here (story, screens, characters, etc.) so after seeing the word team multiple times in the first post, as well as the request of a team, I'm moving this to Mini Teams.