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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: DarkFlood2 on June 08, 2006, 06:45:33 PM

Title: Net neutrality
Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 08, 2006, 06:45:33 PM

Right now, congress is going to vote on a bill that will make the internet (at least for america) a two-tier internet. what this means is that if a certain site isn't paying their "protection money" to companies like AT&T or others, their site won't load as fast or it might not load at all. Net neutrality must be preserved! If we don't keep net neutrality, then the very foundation of the internet will be destroyed. the guy who invented the internet (not Al Gore) even says that if net neutrality is taken away, then the entire thing could collapse. I personally am for Net neutrality along with Google, Microsoft, and other big companies. We should not allow the telephone companies to extort money from the citizens.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 08, 2006, 06:53:41 PM

Has that begin to happen?

Some of the internet connection I've gone around connect, but dont load at all.

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Post by: Grandy on June 08, 2006, 06:54:34 PM

Pff, and the worst part is that USA will decide for something the whole world uses.

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 08, 2006, 07:25:30 PM

Never let the government handle something like this... they're too stupid and easily bribed and will probably end up with a net neutrality bill that is so vague that phone companies can get away with whatever they want.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 08, 2006, 07:27:34 PM

If Congress passes this, people will be outraged. This is something the won't pass because it will piss many people off and well... it won't make them very popular anymore.

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Post by: Smokey_locs2006 on June 08, 2006, 07:43:48 PM

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Pff, and the worst part is that USA will decide for something the whole world uses.

Word.. I was thinkin the same thing. There will always be a way around things. We'll be okay.

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 08, 2006, 07:46:31 PM

It kind of sound like a joke. I can't see the benifits.

If it IS real, I'm guessing it's either to secretly stop internet pornography (What phone company would pay for one?) or to get kids off the internet as part of a new trend (make kids skinnier, use less electrical devices, etc.)

There was a special about Al Gore on MTV about what I said above. I think it had a website called Break the Addiction or something. In my opinion, this is one of those wierd bills that get into Congress with good intentions, but do way to much damage and force the public to make unwanted changes. Remember, this is an opinion.

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It is real! I just looked it up. I feel really immature and ignorant right now, can someone explain it to me? I wanna know what's going on. I'm still reading about it.

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Post by: Desimodontidae on June 08, 2006, 07:54:34 PM

I think there is more supposrt for net neutrality than against it. I don't believe that it will be passed.

Title: I Read The Wikipedia Entry
Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 08, 2006, 08:27:55 PM

Yes the entire thing. Out of it, I got the idea of networks either blindly recognizing data without even looking twice at it or being aloud to stop and look at it and be allowed to reget it in favor of something else. So far I see two sides on this issue:

Side 1
+Let competitive networks who currently have better service charge more money for things they don't like to increase profit.
+Have stricter regulation of the internet.

Side 2
+Since the internet started up with people doing what they want to do with no restrictions, they should be allowed freedom as long as they do not break laws.
+Data cannot be discriminated against from any inter networks as opposed to private networks.

Am I getting it right? I know nothing about this topic and I really wanna know. Is there some other place other than Wikipedia that can explain it to me?

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Post by: charaman on June 08, 2006, 09:27:55 PM

Its extortion. It most likely won't pass.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 02:16:08 AM

It's against our constitutional rights! *ROFLS*

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 02:19:41 AM

Seriously, our crowd isn't the picketing type, which is exactly what we need.   I wouldn't be suprised if prices for things bought on the internet  went up.  

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 02:31:55 AM

I'm a picketing type. Its just every other picketing type is picketing for bullshit reasons.

Title: It's over...
Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 09, 2006, 02:35:31 AM

The net neutrality bill lost. This is a sad day for the internet.

Link:

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6081882.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=zdnn

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 02:37:37 AM

That's just way the cookie crumbles I guess, like a pile of bullshit.

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Post by: Archem on June 09, 2006, 02:41:21 AM

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That's just way the cookie crumbles I guess, like a pile of bullshit.

A bullshit cookie... Tasty.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 02:43:36 AM

This just proves that democrates are better.

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 09, 2006, 02:45:02 AM

I agree.. but they aren't that much better... but then again, anything is better than bush.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 02:47:28 AM

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I agree.. but they aren't that much better... but then again, anything is better than bush.

Even John Kerry?

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 02:50:22 AM

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Originally posted by DarkFlood2 I agree.. but they aren't that much better... but then again, anything is better than bush.

Even John Kerry?

No.

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 09, 2006, 02:52:06 AM

Well, that election was more of a "pick your poison" type...  But seeing how Bush handled things, I can safely assume that Kerry would have been better.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 02:52:23 AM

John Kerry is a Fairy.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 02:54:07 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool quote: Originally posted by DarkFlood2 I agree.. but they aren't that much better... but then again, anything is better than bush. Even John Kerry?

No.

Exactly. John Kerry < tinkerbell

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 09, 2006, 02:57:21 AM

Back on topic, Let's just let the republicans remember this come election day... Of course only the morons are going to elect a republican after Bush's terrible work.

Off topic: There is even a corralation (sp?) between SAT scores and presidential votes. It seems that states with higher Sat scores voted democrat, while low SAT scoring states voted republican. It also shows that states with a higher divorce rate voted republican.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 03:00:57 AM

Umm... no one cares. People vote how they want. Just because you're bitter doesn't mean everyone else is.

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 09, 2006, 03:02:31 AM

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Umm... no one cares. People vote how they want. Just because you're bitter doesn't mean everyone else is.

No... I just find it interesting that more people of lower intelligence voted for Bush. No need to get offended.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 03:04:09 AM

Seriously, people vote for who they think will support their interests the best. If I could've, I would've voted for Bush, even though I'm so hardcore Democrate. People often call me an ass, I take it as a compliment because it means I'm a ****ing donkey. However, next election I'll be able to vote, so I'm pretty thrilled about that.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 03:04:56 AM

I'm not offended. I'm of pretty high intelligence, so I take no offense. I'm just saying, that no one cares about statistics. It's not going to change anything.

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 03:08:38 AM

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People often call me an ass, I take it as a compliment because it means I'm a ******* donkey.

XD I love that!  


No candidate ever wants what I want, or something like that... I forgot to register the one chance that came around for me. I didn't really care about politic then, though.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 03:09:42 AM

I could give you want you want. But then, it would seem too biased.

Title: Leave Bush Alone
Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 09, 2006, 03:15:45 AM

I admit I personally think Bush is a ************* ***** and should be kicked out of office, but I had to admit to myself he has been through a lot. Would you have done better if you were faced with a global threat, the United Nations stopped trusting you, and a lot of the American public lost respect for you?

He's a politician. He probably has good ideas but can't do them because the Democrats argree with him. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican BTW. I just pick the best one. I would've voted for Clinton back when he started. Years later, I would've voted Bush in when he started.

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Post by: Razor on June 09, 2006, 03:20:47 AM

I dunno... I'm more inclined to listening to the big fat guy with the glasses.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 03:21:05 AM

As Zelos says, "I side with the strongest."

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 03:32:11 AM

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People are complaining about Bush because they don't know how elections work. You don't vote for who you think will listen to you and bark when you command. You vote for who you think shares your same interests. After he's elected and he got your vote, you need to shut up if you don't like it, for you are a moron. If you didn't vote for the winner, maybe get your 20% of friends to go vote next time instead of watching Maury. Bush is a good president, but people need a figure to blame in times of trouble, and president of the good ol USA fits that role nicely. Look at Wilson. People HATED him during WWI, because he was someone you could blame for your problems. But looking back, we realize he did a good job in his situation. I'd like to see these Bush haters handle the situation with a surefire everybody wins plan. Granted some Bush appointments weren't the best, but Al Zawababa is dead so we're only left with Osama in terms of high power Alquida wise. Huzzah.
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You can't policy the internet. To try is foolish.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 03:39:53 AM

I have a surefire plan. Annahilate the entire world. :)

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Post by: Razor on June 09, 2006, 03:49:15 AM

I see absolutely no repercussions with that plan. You may proceed.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 03:51:39 AM

Damn, I got owned. Just lemme push the button, mkay?

Title: Reason Why I don't like Bush
Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 09, 2006, 03:51:58 AM

has nothing to do with the war. I believe he handled the situation well based on the circumstances.

It was the New Orleans incident and the No Child Left Behind Act instead because they DIRECTLY affect me.

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Post by: Archem on June 09, 2006, 03:59:37 AM

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Umm... no one cares. People vote how they want. Just because you're bitter doesn't mean everyone else is.

Umm... I disagree. I found it very interesting. The fact that the republicans won means that the voting people of the U.S. are mostly unintelligent has me very scared. Yes, I know, I'm a page late for this, but I'm still only an hour behind...

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Post by: Ace of Spades on June 09, 2006, 05:55:48 AM

Our internet freedom has been limited, now? My god, the new world order IS upon us.  :o

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I dunno... I'm more inclined to listening to the big fat guy with the glasses.

Yeah, I listen to Warxe quite a bit too. :p

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 09, 2006, 10:18:20 AM

Correct me if I'm horrifically wrong, but Isn't Bush responsible for the butchering of all your global warming reports making them say that humans might be responsible rather than are responisble?

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Post by: Drace on June 09, 2006, 12:07:34 PM

Facts of the day: Bush is an idiot.
We are fucked (not literally, for most of us).
Republicans are idiots.
I hate republicans.
God bless Holland and it's Democracy.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 12:53:37 PM

Libertarianism or Moderate. They own everything.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 01:14:50 PM

To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

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Post by: Drace on June 09, 2006, 01:23:00 PM

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To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

Bush sucks, face it. If I could be president, I would do better. But I'm not.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 01:28:24 PM

Would you like to PROVE that, Drace?

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Post by: Drace on June 09, 2006, 01:31:57 PM

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Would you like to PROVE that, Drace?

Yes, I would like to PROVE that. You gonna get me president then?

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 01:34:40 PM

Meh, this started out odd. John Kerry is still a fruit you know.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 09, 2006, 01:50:01 PM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

Actually, you haven't answered my question, because if Bush really is doing that, it doesn't just affect America, it's harming the world. I think everyone has a say in that.

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 01:50:34 PM

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Meh, this started out odd. John Kerry is still a fruit you know.

Pretty much.  

 They're trying to make so that immigrants/foriegners can be president anyways.  Everyone that thinks they can do better...  Starting saving up money now, and when you're 35. Maybe you'll have enough money to campaign XD. And don't even try not to be in a party other than Democrat/Republican.

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Post by: WarxePB on June 09, 2006, 02:16:00 PM

Saying Bush sucks is like the pot calling the kettle black (or however it goes).

As for net neutrality, it's a sign of the impending apocalypse. Nostradamus said so.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 09, 2006, 02:23:44 PM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

Actually, you haven't answered my question, because if Bush really is doing that, it doesn't just affect America, it's harming the world. I think everyone has a say in that.

So the entire world should vote for OUR leader?

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 09, 2006, 02:26:58 PM

No, the world should all cut down on emmisions, so taking steps to prevent that seems a little selfish >.>

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Post by: Ace of Spades on June 09, 2006, 03:32:26 PM

Global Warming. LOL

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Post by: emiiru on June 09, 2006, 03:34:32 PM

It is getting hotter than  I remember on my little patch on the sunbelt...  

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Post by: Archem on June 09, 2006, 05:46:36 PM

People should buy hydrogen cars and sign treaties.
Lots and LOTS of treaties. Mostly involving monetary issues and government-based problems. That'd fix everything.
As for net neutrality, why would they off it? That would destroy the way competition for internet service works! They're fioghting for customers based on connection speeds, but with net neutrality gone, they'll give us shitty speeds, but promise us access to all the [strike]porn[/strike] really popular sites on the web.
With low connection speeds...
It'd be pointless with low connection speeds!

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 05:54:06 PM

Do you really think gas companies are going to just let alternative sources overtake them? Right.

I hate how people criticize our presidents all the time. Until your leader actually does something notable or can do something on a global scale, please come talk to me.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 06:22:55 PM

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Do you really think gas companies are going to just let alternative sources overtake them? Right.

I hate how people criticize our presidents all the time. Until your leader actually does something notable or can do something on a global scale, please come talk to me.

Whole post= purely awesome.

Anyways, just because one countrys official criticises another for something for doing something, doesn't mean they're not doing it as well. Global warming for instance. many believe it isn't from us, but from the trillions of trillions of cows we're breeding and the massive amounts of methane they release. Thats right, many believe that COW FARTS are doing more direct damage than our plants and cars to the ozone. Now, how many countries in the world breed cows? Just about all of them. Everyone is responsible for global warming, and no matter what we do as long as our population increses, it will get worse. You can't pin it on one country.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 06:28:30 PM

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Originally posted by SonicChaos7 Do you really think gas companies are going to just let alternative sources overtake them? Right. I hate how people criticize our presidents all the time. Until your leader actually does something notable or can do something on a global scale, please come talk to me.

Whole post= purely awesome.

Anyways, just because one countrys official criticises another for something for doing something, doesn't mean they're not doing it as well. Global warming for instance. many believe it isn't from us, but from the trillions of trillions of cows we're breeding and the massive amounts of methane they release. Thats right, many believe that COW FARTS are doing more direct damage than our plants and cars to the ozone. Now, how many countries in the world breed cows? Just about all of them. Everyone is responsible for global warming, and no matter what we do as long as our population increses, it will get worse. You can't pin it on one country.

We're always the scapegoat though.

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Post by: Ace of Spades on June 09, 2006, 06:32:43 PM

Ok. When a volcano erupts, it spews out so much ash and other such chemicals into the atmosphere. When this happens, it's about 5 times worse than what we put into the air for say, 10 years. Now volcanoes have been erupting for how many years? And did anything happen because of it? No. Mother earth fixes herself after such incidents, and she does it after we put our crap into the air as well.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 06:52:13 PM

Mother nature sucked on my wee-wee in preschool. :P I kid. But the earth will fix itself. Besides, I remember a few years ago when ti was way hotter than it is now.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 06:55:50 PM

I find it so stupid that everyone keeps arguing about who's the scapegoat when discussing enviriomental issues why can't they just fix the damn problems instead so that we don't have to breathe polluted air that constantly limits our lifespan?
Also a vulcano errupting isn't nearly as damaging for the planet as all the crap we let out in the atmosphere since it's spread all over the world while an erruption only causes local damage.
And on the american president thingy, I think everyone should critisize him if they don't agree with his politics, disallowing the critisism of a leader is a mark of a dictatorship after all.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 07:06:56 PM

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I find it so stupid that everyone keeps arguing about who's the scapegoat when discussing enviriomental issues why can't they just fix the damn problems instead so that we don't have to breathe polluted air that constantly limits our lifespan?
Also a vulcano errupting isn't nearly as damaging for the planet as all the crap we let out in the atmosphere since it's spread all over the world while an erruption only causes local damage.
And on the american president thingy, I think everyone should critisize him if they don't agree with his politics, disallowing the critisism of a leader is a mark of a dictatorship after all.

Um... a volcano does do more damage to the planet. Don't know where you got that information. Think alternate fuel sources. Each one is a hazard. Hydrogen's problem is if you wreck. Hyrdogen alone is a powerful elements which can do some heavy *** damage. So, there's gotta be a way to contain it, or mix it with something that can be productive and not destructive. Solar energy is fine, but you need extra stuff with it. You can't just run on solar panels or solar cells. Wind energy, you'd have to have some massive turbines to get that **** going. Nuclear seems to be good, but there are risks involved as well, plus it must be done through nuclear fusion instead of fission. Fission leaves waste, which isn't good. People have even suggested ethanol. Ethanol comes from corn. Can we produce enough for all the cars in the world to run? HIGHLY unlikely. Petroleum is the easiest way, evironment friendly or not, at least for now. Eventually, alternative fuel sources should be made, and they should start being produced right now, but only in small numbers. I don't see what the hoopla is about saving the environment and the world. Everyone's acting like the impending doom is right around the corner. Our planet's existed for quite a long time and we're still alive and going. Stop whining and just worry about what's going on right now.

It depends on how you mean byu criticism. If the criticism presents a clear and present danger or a threat on his life, a person can be thrown in jail or worse. Criticizing the president is one thing, but blaming everything on him is another. Congress makes up all the ****, so blame them. In fact, blame the stupid mother fuckers who voted for everyone in congress.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 07:24:05 PM

Um yes actually the enviriomental damages are affecting the world right now. The ice at artic and antarctica are melting because of global warming and if it continues huge areas will be flooded. Also ethanol doesn't need to be made from corn it can be made from a long variety of products many that at the moment are useless by-products.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 07:28:59 PM

We're still not at the point where it's a need to worry. If we have a global flood, things will work out how they need. If we all die, oh well. It was meant to happen.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 07:43:07 PM

So you're basically saying that you don't give a **** about all the ppl who're gonna die in an eventual global flooding?

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 07:47:19 PM

Tell me, how is STOPPING everything right now going to change anything? The ozone deteriorates itself little by little. We aid it little by little. We cannot stop events from happening. Slowing it down doesn't do anything either. It will happen eventually, so don't try to make me feel guilty about something that will happen regardless of what we do.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 07:50:59 PM

I'm not talking about stopping everything as said before ethanol can replace gas and diesel completely.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 08:01:10 PM

It CAN but it will be more costly. Now, do you think everyone would pay for a new, more expensive car to run or stick with what you have? To make it work you would have to replace the engines in every type of machine that runs on fossil fuels. Planes, cars boats, all would need more engines. And to make the effort work you would need to scrap the currently running ships and such to prevent more pollutants. That would have a tremendous effect on the worlds economy, for shipmengts of goods would be decreased. It would throw the world into another depression.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 08:03:50 PM

A war will get us out of depression!  :D

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 08:13:36 PM

You wouldn't have to replace all fossil fueled engines, if all future engines were made to run with ethanol the fossil fueled would gradually disappear (in twenty years or so there would hardly be any left). Ppl would by forced to buy new cars though they would be more expensive to fuel anyway, a car seldom lasts for more than 15 years. Also a global depression would still be better than what's gonna happen if the fossil fueled engines are preserved.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 08:15:27 PM

So suffering, scraping for money is better than dying instantaneously when a huge wave of water smothers your ***?

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 08:24:22 PM

Well there was a global depression in 1927 and ppl got past that one.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 09, 2006, 08:24:55 PM

Ahem, WWII.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 08:27:59 PM

There were giagantic floods when the ice age ended. People got past that one.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 08:30:24 PM

Yes but the world works different now than in 1927. Now the UN and USA would ensure that a depression wouldn't lead to a world war.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 08:34:59 PM

UN wouldn't do ****. They never do. Desperation ALWAYS leads to war. If anyone came in during a second depression and tried to a stop war, the peoples anger would EXPLODE in violent ways. Riots, death, violence would occur.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 09, 2006, 08:45:19 PM

A global despression could happen if the fossil fuels were abadoned, it's not like it's destined to happen. You should be able to at least switch from one kind of fuel to another without causing an apocalypse. If the international community can't even do that the world would've ended long ago.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 09, 2006, 08:48:11 PM

The international community can do it, but not fast enough for the whining Greenpeace idiots. Again it can be done, but not effectively in 10-20 years. In 10-20 years ships would be rebuilt, cars would be redesigned, import/exports would be lessened.

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Post by: Drace on June 09, 2006, 08:54:47 PM

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We're still not at the point where it's a need to worry. If we have a global flood, things will work out how they need. If we all die, oh well. It was meant to happen.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!!!!!

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Post by: Archem on June 09, 2006, 09:22:43 PM

Retards and gentlemen, why the hell would anyone completely convert from one type of engine and fuel to another in no time? It would happen gradually, and at any rate, various forms of alternative energy can be used (don't want a corn-based reliant engine? Buy a hydrogen car), thus ensuring that no fuel source is exhausted. And due to the gradual change, there will be plenty of time to produce a usable form of said fuels, as well as time to prepare for the mass-market's use of it. Stop and think "how could these things be used without being vetoed by it's faults?" before you open your mouths. And I don't think too many people will worry about paying more money for a car (they could still pay per month, just for a year or so longer, and prices are decreasing all the time). And lastly, SonicChaos, you're quite the pessimist, aren't you? Shooting down any proposal mentioned by any forumer? Positive ideas are the best ones by far, so try out a few. Sephiroth rocks, just stop trying and watch the thread go by. ZKX, please don't egg these two imbeciles on.

Back on topic: I want my net neutrality! My internet sites are good for me, and losing net neutrality is a violation of the Bill of Rights, violating the rights to freedom of press and freedom of speech, specifically.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 10, 2006, 02:02:41 AM

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Retards and gentlemen, why the hell would anyone completely convert from one type of engine and fuel to another in no time? It would happen gradually, and at any rate, various forms of alternative energy can be used (don't want a corn-based reliant engine? Buy a hydrogen car), thus ensuring that no fuel source is exhausted. And due to the gradual change, there will be plenty of time to produce a usable form of said fuels, as well as time to prepare for the mass-market's use of it. Stop and think "how could these things be used without being vetoed by it's faults?" before you open your mouths. And I don't think too many people will worry about paying more money for a car (they could still pay per month, just for a year or so longer, and prices are decreasing all the time). And lastly, SonicChaos, you're quite the pessimist, aren't you? Shooting down any proposal mentioned by any forumer? Positive ideas are the best ones by far, so try out a few. Sephiroth rocks, just stop trying and watch the thread go by. ZKX, please don't egg these two imbeciles on.

Back on topic: I want my net neutrality! My internet sites are good for me, and losing net neutrality is a violation of the Bill of Rights, violating the rights to freedom of press and freedom of speech, specifically.

I'm not a pessimist. Far from it actually. I don't shoot down people's proposals, but absurdity and worrying about something that will happen probably 200 years into our future or further shouldn't be our concern. If we can't do anything about what's right in front of us currently, then how are we supposed to do anything about the future? And for one, I never said a change in fuel source wouldn't happen. It's just harder than the current. Yes, overtime we can create these new fuel sources, which is something I was trying to imply in my post.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 10, 2006, 02:11:13 AM

I know that things occur gradually. Seppy was insisting we do it now, and that just won't work.

And yes Drace, I too wish to become a fish and swim with Kevin Costner.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on June 10, 2006, 02:22:10 AM

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Ok. When a volcano erupts, it spews out so much ash and other such chemicals into the atmosphere. When this happens, it's about 5 times worse than what we put into the air for say, 10 years. Now volcanoes have been erupting for how many years? And did anything happen because of it? No. Mother earth fixes herself after such incidents, and she does it after we put our crap into the air as well.

So, you're saying that volcanos are our true enemy? I see... we must send our troops to Africa!

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 10, 2006, 02:46:02 AM

Stay away from Africa. Go to Hawaii, or even Guam. Lived there for a couple years and it's nice.

Again I'm standing by my opinions about why people don't want net neutrality: for money, and because some people think things like porn, free downloads, and just bad sites should be even harder to access.

Actually, what makes Bush a good president? I wanna get some of your opinions.

Good things I like or liked about him:
+He responded well to Iraq AT FIRST.
+He was planning tax cuts.

Bad things:
+Cutting Education to help pay for the war.
+The No Child Left Behind Act (There are a lot of sick things here. This same act was also one of his political tools back in Texas.)
+7 Day response to New Orleans (Should probably blame Congress instead. Sorry. Good friend has family there. He's white.)
+Putting a lot of support behind Communications and Convention based buisnesses (The one my dad used to work at closed down and he lost his job along with thousands of others. He has a better job now though.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 10, 2006, 02:54:45 AM

Don't you bring up New Orleans. It is NOT the federal governments responsibility to be the mama and hold their hand. That mayor was the biggest dumbass I've seen in a while. First, he REFUSED to bus people out on buses provided by the government. Second, it is HIS city! He was elected to handle things like this, but he opted out on his duties. "Chocolate City". WHAT THE F*** WAS THAT!?

Bush did and is still doing well with Iraq. Things are kind of sloppy now though because he kept trying to change plans to try and cushion those whining politicians. He did, and the original plans and the revised plans began to kink. But 9/11 is our Pearl Harbor. It should have brought us together as a country and given us something to stand for. What did it do? Give fatass like Ted Kennedy and Michael Moore an excuse to stir up trouble and give THEMSELVES more power.

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Post by: Tomi on June 10, 2006, 03:00:51 AM

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Don't you bring up New Orleans. It is NOT the federal governments responsibility to be the mama and hold their hand. That mayor was the biggest dumbass I've seen in a while. First, he REFUSED to bus people out on buses provided by the government. Second, it is HIS city! He was elected to handle things like this, but he opted out on his duties. "Chocolate City". WHAT THE F*** WAS THAT!?

Bush did and is still doing well with Iraq. Things are kind of sloppy now though because he kept trying to change plans to try and cushion those whining politicians. He did, and the original plans and the revised plans began to kink. But 9/11 is our Pearl Harbor. It should have brought us together as a country and given us something to stand for. What did it do? Give fatass like Ted Kennedy and Michael Moore an excuse to stir up trouble and give THEMSELVES more power.

AMEN! :mrT:

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Post by: Osmose on June 10, 2006, 03:01:30 AM

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Sonic: I'm not a pessimist. Far from it actually. I don't shoot down people's proposals, but absurdity and worrying about something that will happen probably 200 years into our future or further shouldn't be our concern. If we can't do anything about what's right in front of us currently, then how are we supposed to do anything about the future?

Using this logic, we should simply pass on our problems to our children so that they can live a horrible life overshadowed by inevitable doom. That might be fine to you, but most people want to do something to improve the world for future generations - it's the only way we can really validate our existance. Without that goal, we have no purpose and shall stagnate and die, being little more than a blemish on the Earth, defeated by ourselves.

 

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ZeroKirby: There were giagantic floods when the ice age ended. People got past that one.

I'd rather not have to force the future generations to go through then when I can do something in my life today to try and avoid that.

 

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ZeroKirby: To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

Okay, I'm American, and I say Bush sucks. You're going to have to deal with that pain and horror that you get when you hear that someone else doesn't like the guy. :P

 

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ZeroKirby: People are complaining about Bush because they don't know how elections work. You don't vote for who you think will listen to you and bark when you command. You vote for who you think shares your same interests. After he's elected and he got your vote, you need to shut up if you don't like it, for you are a moron. If you didn't vote for the winner, maybe get your 20% of friends to go vote next time instead of watching Maury. Bush is a good president, but people need a figure to blame in times of trouble, and president of the good ol USA fits that role nicely. Look at Wilson. People HATED him during WWI, because he was someone you could blame for your problems. But looking back, we realize he did a good job in his situation. I'd like to see these Bush haters handle the situation with a surefire everybody wins plan. Granted some Bush appointments weren't the best, but Al Zawababa is dead so we're only left with Osama in terms of high power Alquida wise. Huzzah.

There are three things wrong with this last one.

1. The United States was built on the premise that people would be able to complain without being told not to. I vote for Bob. Bob does something I don't like. How was I supposed to know he was going to do that? He told me he was going to do good stuff! That makes me angry. So I complain. There is no logic in telling me to shut up because if I do, Bob might do more stupid things, thinking that he's pleasing me, when in fact he's making me angry. It's the complaining that gives the President the feedback to take into consideration on his next decision. Yes, he probably will never see these forum posts, but complaining about him is still an important part of the political system, as skewed as it is.
2. People didn't hate Wilson during WWI. It was actually pretty divided, since he had the support of anti-war Americans for his attempts at avoiding the war for as long as possible. And looking back, Wilson actually made a crapload of mistakes - he was racist, he attempted to supress any public resistance of the war once he entered the US into it, and his failure to get the Senate to pass the US's entry into the League of Nations is ranked as the 4th worst presidential mistake ever made.
3. His name is Al-Zarqawi. Zawabawa is the most horrible made-up Arab name I've ever heard.

Oh, and one more thing about Net Neutrality: It still has the Senate to get through, and there's much more support for it in the Senate than in the House, meaning there is still a chance for it to be saved somehow.

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on June 10, 2006, 03:14:12 AM

You do know the federal government controls the budget for public safety right? The levy was included. I don't know why but everyone blames global warming and Hurricane Katrina for what happened. Yes there was damage, but what happened in New Orleans came from the LEVY SYSTEM BREAKING. People should stop using Global Warming as an excuse for it (This statement isn't directed at you ZeroKirbyX). But come on. Why would it take our own military 7 DAYS TO GET THERE WHEN THERE WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER, FOOD, OR CLEAN WATER. MILLIONS WERE DEAD. This might sound wrong to you but I DON'T GIVE A **** about what's happening in other countries when we have our own homeless, our own oppressed, our own discriminated, and our own poor.

About 9/11. At first I had the same thoughts as you did. But I came to believe that we were the ones who trained Al Queida (If I spelled that right.) It makes sense to me that we would train a small rebel faction to take down a dictator, only for them to turn on us. I'm NOT saying that it's true at all so if you can, bear with me.

Micheal Moore and Ted Kennedy (who ever the hell he is) shouldn't use politics for money and fame. I agree with you there. I don't even know if the stuff in Farenheit 9/11 was true. It probably isn't. Still, It is fact that the Bush family has a well established oil buisness so even if he's not doing anything wrong, he's gonna have contraversy.

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Kudos to the above poster!

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Post by: Weregnome on June 10, 2006, 03:43:39 AM

George Bush, to the view of the world, is an idiot who is on holiday 95% of the time. I have no clue what he has done for the USA, to be honest I don't really care. We in Australia have to deal with a Bush-cock-sucking and I'll-let-international-countries-arse-****-me Prime Minister John Howard, who I hope, will be murdered as soon as possible with the rest of the liberal government (ok maybe not murder but frozen and dropped into the ocean). Our nation is turning into mini-america- poor class and the rich class. My family and barely making the minimal, and the new Industrial Legistration Rules could make my family completely poor if my dad's job goes down the **** hole. Plus the stupid aggrements Johny Boy makes with America for trade etc (and the rest of the world now) make the Australian industries nearly obselete. .. Now thats a reason why we hate PM Howard and Pres Bush.

The Iraq War is modern day Vietnam. The way Bush went about it was retarded, and its so easy to see it was for oil. Saddam Hussien had nothing to do with 9/11. He is a very bad person, who deserves whatever is to come. They shouldm have sent a crack team in their to assasinate him. We wouldn't have had Australian soldiers and people dieing otherwise... (due to the treaty set after WW2).

Global Warming is affecting the world so much that the idea of not doing anything about it is stupid. Oh, and poeple stating that america is blamed for everything is so highly retarded. If u want to point fingersd look to where the Industrial Revolution started. Global Warming need s to start being fixed. Yes, it may not be hotter, but it just doesn't affect heat. With the melting of [polar caps, and other effects by ozone depletion, you have small insignificant things like droughts, floodings, more cyclones, unstable changes in weather patterns (2 years ago we had a summer which barely got over 32 degrees celsius). I heard that there was HHO (hybrid hydrogen oxygen) created by an american which can solve the petroluem decrease for some time, with water and oil being ablke to be fused to drive cars. Its apparantly alot more evironmentally friendly and alot better then standard petroluem. Changes won't happen immidently (sp?) but it needs to be started now.

On this net thing, there is no way they will allow it through. Gambling sites, pornography sites and paying sites for othermeans make too much money, and the government have a complete up roar from gamers, companies etc. It wojn't pass through.

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Post by: Archem on June 10, 2006, 03:45:05 AM

This video is what makes me distrust the government the most. And being paranoid and prone to strongly believe any conspiracy theories that have enough proof behind them doesn't help. Here's Loose Change:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change      

Somehow, I feel this is relavent. Plus, it's a kick-*** song.
http://rapidshare.de/files/22675245/13_Not_the_One.mp3.html    

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Post by: Weregnome on June 10, 2006, 03:57:29 AM

I'd watch that but dad would kick my *** for the downloads.. i already download shitloads XD

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Post by: Osmose on June 10, 2006, 04:48:29 AM

Weregnome - you've got it mixed up. We WANT it to pass through. COPE is what we didn't want - it opened the door for internet access companies to discriminate on what pages we view. Net Neutrality is now needed - we've already been crapped on, now we want to wipe up the mess.

Although it doesn't effect you at all. You're not in America. COPE can only affect companies that provide internet that are based in America.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 10, 2006, 04:51:16 AM

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ZeroKirby: There were giagantic floods when the ice age ended. People got past that one.


I'd rather not have to force the future generations to go through then when I can do something in my life today to try and avoid that.

That was complete and utter sarcasm at Seppys "People made it trough the depression" line.

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Post by: Weregnome on June 10, 2006, 05:02:44 AM

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Weregnome - you've got it mixed up. We WANT it to pass through. COPE is what we didn't want - it opened the door for internet access companies to discriminate on what pages we view. Net Neutrality is now needed - we've already been crapped on, now we want to wipe up the mess.

Although it doesn't effect you at all. You're not in America. COPE can only affect companies that provide internet that are based in America.

Ohhhhh............... sorry about my mix up  :blush: lol

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 10, 2006, 08:29:50 AM

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Sonic: I'm not a pessimist. Far from it actually. I don't shoot down people's proposals, but absurdity and worrying about something that will happen probably 200 years into our future or further shouldn't be our concern. If we can't do anything about what's right in front of us currently, then how are we supposed to do anything about the future?

Using this logic, we should simply pass on our problems to our children so that they can live a horrible life overshadowed by inevitable doom. That might be fine to you, but most people want to do something to improve the world for future generations - it's the only way we can really validate our existance. Without that goal, we have no purpose and shall stagnate and die, being little more than a blemish on the Earth, defeated by ourselves.

 

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ZeroKirby: There were giagantic floods when the ice age ended. People got past that one.

I'd rather not have to force the future generations to go through then when I can do something in my life today to try and avoid that.

 

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ZeroKirby: To all you non-American voters, or even future voters, shut the hell up about our president. If you don't like who's in charge, move your *** over here, get US citizenship and vote Democrat. If you don't take part in the desicion, you can't be upset by the outcome, don't work like that.

Okay, I'm American, and I say Bush sucks. You're going to have to deal with that pain and horror that you get when you hear that someone else doesn't like the guy. :P

 

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ZeroKirby: People are complaining about Bush because they don't know how elections work. You don't vote for who you think will listen to you and bark when you command. You vote for who you think shares your same interests. After he's elected and he got your vote, you need to shut up if you don't like it, for you are a moron. If you didn't vote for the winner, maybe get your 20% of friends to go vote next time instead of watching Maury. Bush is a good president, but people need a figure to blame in times of trouble, and president of the good ol USA fits that role nicely. Look at Wilson. People HATED him during WWI, because he was someone you could blame for your problems. But looking back, we realize he did a good job in his situation. I'd like to see these Bush haters handle the situation with a surefire everybody wins plan. Granted some Bush appointments weren't the best, but Al Zawababa is dead so we're only left with Osama in terms of high power Alquida wise. Huzzah.

There are three things wrong with this last one.

1. The United States was built on the premise that people would be able to complain without being told not to. I vote for Bob. Bob does something I don't like. How was I supposed to know he was going to do that? He told me he was going to do good stuff! That makes me angry. So I complain. There is no logic in telling me to shut up because if I do, Bob might do more stupid things, thinking that he's pleasing me, when in fact he's making me angry. It's the complaining that gives the President the feedback to take into consideration on his next decision. Yes, he probably will never see these forum posts, but complaining about him is still an important part of the political system, as skewed as it is.
2. People didn't hate Wilson during WWI. It was actually pretty divided, since he had the support of anti-war Americans for his attempts at avoiding the war for as long as possible. And looking back, Wilson actually made a crapload of mistakes - he was racist, he attempted to supress any public resistance of the war once he entered the US into it, and his failure to get the Senate to pass the US's entry into the League of Nations is ranked as the 4th worst presidential mistake ever made.
3. His name is Al-Zarqawi. Zawabawa is the most horrible made-up Arab name I've ever heard.

Oh, and one more thing about Net Neutrality: It still has the Senate to get through, and there's much more support for it in the Senate than in the House, meaning there is still a chance for it to be saved somehow.

Thanks! Some of this is exactly what I mean!

Sephirothrocks, you're thinking the right way. ZKX and Sonic, as much as I respect your individual views, saying that nothing is happening when it has been proven that it is, is like rolling yourself into a ball when your house is burning down around you and saying "My house is fine I'm perfectly safe" Over and over again.
Only a more apt analogy would be that you start to leave your house, and there's a boothe at the door charging you to exit. So of course you go "Well I suppose my house might be on fire, but damn that's a lot of money, I think I'll pass. Oh, and Evryone else in my house is going to burn to death because of my actions too. Not my problem *Shrug*

Sonic, your argument is that you simply don't care. I honestly can't reason with that, but you have little place in the debate.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 10, 2006, 11:41:12 AM

****, people. Since when did I become a heartless bastard? Look, I never said that nothing was happening. I'm saying that a global flood will not happen SOON. Before you go off and spill about how you think I don't care about future generations, think about it. No matter what we do, the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway, and it has aid from everything, volcanoes, cows, and other things. You suggest we kill off all the cows to ensure that the ozone won't disappear? It's going to happen, whether you think stopping the use of gasoline is going to prevent it or not. I do care about future generations. My POV is that it's going to happen, whether we like it or not, but not anytime soon.

And just because I think differently from you, I have no place in the debate? That's a sack full of ****.

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Post by: Glitch on June 10, 2006, 12:34:38 PM

How the crap did this end up being about Global Warming?

And as it is, technically there is no hard scientific evidence that Global Warming is even real, it's conjecture and theory. As it stands, the world's average temperature has always gone up every year, always, it didn't start now.

And second, anyone that believes in global warming, has clearly never been to michigan.

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Post by: Drace on June 10, 2006, 01:15:57 PM

Never been to Hell, Michigan.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 10, 2006, 08:25:26 PM

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****, people. Since when did I become a heartless bastard? Look, I never said that nothing was happening. I'm saying that a global flood will not happen SOON. Before you go off and spill about how you think I don't care about future generations, think about it. No matter what we do, the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway, and it has aid from everything, volcanoes, cows, and other things. You suggest we kill off all the cows to ensure that the ozone won't disappear? It's going to happen, whether you think stopping the use of gasoline is going to prevent it or not. I do care about future generations. My POV is that it's going to happen, whether we like it or not, but not anytime soon.

And just because I think differently from you, I have no place in the debate? That's a sack full of ****.

>.> What I mean is, your argument is that it's going to happen anyway, so it doesn't matter. What's the point in using that answer to every question, when we already know your view? Sorry, I don't want to push anyone out of this, I just want a fair debate.

 

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And as it is, technically there is no hard scientific evidence that Global Warming is even real, it's conjecture and theory. As it stands, the world's average temperature has always gone up every year, always, it didn't start now.

There is actually hard scientific evidence >.>

You peeps, I'm not telling you to buy solar panels and crap XD I'm just saying that, as things stand, with America having immensely cheap gas and petrol (trust me, you do) you just buy cars which unnecisarily pollute (Do fewer miles to the gallon or whatever) and you are the biggest producer of greenhouse gases in the world. To put in perspective, I can't remember exactly but if the USA was seperated so that each state was a country, Texas alone would rank amongst the top greenhouse gas producers. It's just stupid.

 

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the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Global warming isn't anything to do with the ozone layer.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 10, 2006, 09:08:34 PM

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Originally posted by SonicChaos7 ****, people. Since when did I become a heartless bastard? Look, I never said that nothing was happening. I'm saying that a global flood will not happen SOON. Before you go off and spill about how you think I don't care about future generations, think about it. No matter what we do, the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway, and it has aid from everything, volcanoes, cows, and other things. You suggest we kill off all the cows to ensure that the ozone won't disappear? It's going to happen, whether you think stopping the use of gasoline is going to prevent it or not. I do care about future generations. My POV is that it's going to happen, whether we like it or not, but not anytime soon. And just because I think differently from you, I have no place in the debate? That's a sack full of ****.

>.> What I mean is, your argument is that it's going to happen anyway, so it doesn't matter. What's the point in using that answer to every question, when we already know your view? Sorry, I don't want to push anyone out of this, I just want a fair debate.

 

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And as it is, technically there is no hard scientific evidence that Global Warming is even real, it's conjecture and theory. As it stands, the world's average temperature has always gone up every year, always, it didn't start now.

There is actually hard scientific evidence >.>

You peeps, I'm not telling you to buy solar panels and crap XD I'm just saying that, as things stand, with America having immensely cheap gas and petrol (trust me, you do) you just buy cars which unnecisarily pollute (Do fewer miles to the gallon or whatever) and you are the biggest producer of greenhouse gases in the world. To put in perspective, I can't remember exactly but if the USA was seperated so that each state was a country, Texas alone would rank amongst the top greenhouse gas producers. It's just stupid.

 

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the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Global warming isn't anything to do with the ozone layer.

Ok, now I get it. Sorry, I mistook what you said.

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Post by: emiiru on June 10, 2006, 09:27:42 PM

The advancement of human beings is the problem and solution.

:posspam:  when did these pop up? but they don't really work, though. the tage has other tags within that start before the real thing you want.

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Post by: Weregnome on June 11, 2006, 09:55:04 AM

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****, people. Since when did I become a heartless bastard? Look, I never said that nothing was happening. I'm saying that a global flood will not happen SOON. Before you go off and spill about how you think I don't care about future generations, think about it. No matter what we do, the ozone will deteriorate by itself anyway, and it has aid from everything, volcanoes, cows, and other things. You suggest we kill off all the cows to ensure that the ozone won't disappear? It's going to happen, whether you think stopping the use of gasoline is going to prevent it or not. I do care about future generations. My POV is that it's going to happen, whether we like it or not, but not anytime soon.

And just because I think differently from you, I have no place in the debate? That's a sack full of ****.

Your not heartless Sonicchoas, your blue and can run fast

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Post by: Linkizcool on June 13, 2006, 03:01:32 AM

 

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which generally means that all Internet sites must be treated equally

Communism!

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Post by: Darkfox on June 13, 2006, 04:13:13 AM

Actually it is a bit like communism if not a lot. Internet Communism. XD

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Post by: Drace on June 13, 2006, 02:39:55 PM

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Actually it is a bit like communism if not a lot. Internet Communism. XD

Why aren't they aproving Net Neutrality then? (Unless if I get them mixed up and that Net Neutrality is the commie one.)

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Post by: Osmose on June 13, 2006, 04:19:26 PM

Communism isn't necesarily bad - the US just had a bad relationship with the largest communist country, and a lot of the communists that wanted to take down America (certainly not all of them did, it is just a political ideology, after all) got some publicity. But you're from Europe, Drace, I thought you'd know this. :P

Either way, it's not REALLY like communism because the internet doesn't own every website. It's more like anarchy, except that it needs a policy like Net Neutrality to secure that lawlessness. It's contradictory, but true.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 13, 2006, 04:35:15 PM

Well Communism is all about suppressing choice so that everyone just gets on with their lives like hamsters. People are equal, but it's at the expense of alot of their freedom.

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Post by: Drace on June 13, 2006, 06:11:13 PM

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Communism isn't necesarily bad - the US just had a bad relationship with the largest communist country, and a lot of the communists that wanted to take down America (certainly not all of them did, it is just a political ideology, after all) got some publicity. But you're from Europe, Drace, I thought you'd know this. :P

Either way, it's not REALLY like communism because the internet doesn't own every website. It's more like anarchy, except that it needs a policy like Net Neutrality to secure that lawlessness. It's contradictory, but true.

I'm not saying the Communism is bad, in contrary, the idea behind it is brilliant. Sure, it isn't perfect and Stalin the dictator ruined it for the rest of the world, but if done right (like Lenin did OR even improve his version) it could have been great.

What I said was different. Link and DF said that it would be communism if they didn't vote for the Neutrility Bill. And we all know America hates communistic countries (Vietnam, USSR, others). It was a joke.

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Post by: Osmose on June 13, 2006, 06:40:20 PM

Americans hate communism, but I'd like to think if Congressmen were smart enough to convince the public to trust them (while being completely untrustworthy :P) than they're smart enough not to dismiss anything as "commie".

That's just me being foolish, I guess. :P

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Post by: Archem on June 13, 2006, 09:22:03 PM

It's weird. I've always been taught that commies were bad and Communism was evil, but when I think of the perfect utopian community, it's instantly the same thing as Communism, minus the dictators that abuse their power. I think Communism would work just fine, assuming a few rules and standards were set to prevent the rulers from going overboard... But that's for another thread. Let's stay the course set by DarkFlood.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 14, 2006, 09:29:37 AM

Meh, this is truly a great thread. The topic has gone this way and that but has remained civil. Why not let it go where it will?

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Post by: Razor on June 14, 2006, 10:28:38 AM

Might I make mention of Sai'Kar's beautiful Rule 3?

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Post by: Drace on June 14, 2006, 11:53:53 AM

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Might I make mention of Sai'Kar's beautiful Rule 3?

Quote it please, I'm too lazy.

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Rule 4, sorry.
 

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4) Topics in the All of All forum that go off-topic but still remain civilized (no flaming, no spamming, just a different focus) will be allowed to remain open.

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Rule 4, sorry.
 

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Best...rule...ever. Sorry for not helping to enrich the topic´s content, but thi's gone too far for me to catch up.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 14, 2006, 07:53:20 PM

Communism isnt bad. Its just many times the leader becomes crazed and it turns to borderline totalitarianism. Had Lenin been in charge for the developing decades, it may have worked. But he died and along came Stalin. After that other commies based their gov's on Stalins communism instead of Lenin's communism.

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Post by: Archem on June 14, 2006, 08:15:08 PM

My favorite color is red. I would make an excellent Comminut leader.

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Post by: Razor on June 14, 2006, 08:29:06 PM

Thinking of turning to the old Hammer and Sickle, eh Archem?

Which you have to admit, it's a pretty cool looking symbol.

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Post by: Drace on June 15, 2006, 04:37:30 AM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Communism isnt bad. Its just many times the leader becomes crazed and it turns to borderline totalitarianism. Had Lenin been in charge for the developing decades, it may have worked. But he died and along came Stalin. After that other commies based their gov's on Stalins communism instead of Lenin's communism.

Stalin had Lenin killed, so Lenin didn't die. He was murdered. Well, at least that's what I can remember from history class. I could also be mistaken with Animal Farm, best commie movie ever.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 15, 2006, 12:37:31 PM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX Communism isnt bad. Its just many times the leader becomes crazed and it turns to borderline totalitarianism. Had Lenin been in charge for the developing decades, it may have worked. But he died and along came Stalin. After that other commies based their gov's on Stalins communism instead of Lenin's communism.

Stalin had Lenin killed, so Lenin didn't die. He was murdered. Well, at least that's what I can remember from history class. I could also be mistaken with Animal Farm, best commie movie ever.

Stalin had Leon Trotsky killed to take control after Lenin died. Maybe thats who you're thinking of.