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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Midnight9795 on June 17, 2006, 04:22:23 PM

Title: Interesting facts..
Post by: Midnight9795 on June 17, 2006, 04:22:23 PM

Would this be considered a big surpise? I think not...WE'RE GONNA DIE...or be extremely poor..

American economic collapse not far away (http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/2005/USeconomic_collapse.html)

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 17, 2006, 05:09:32 PM

One more reason to hate GWB, and one more reason why I want to move to Europe/Japan

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 17, 2006, 05:32:10 PM

you do realiases those are more thesis statements than facts right?

i simply dont trust the source.

but anywho.

the economy will fall. you cant stop that. and once it falss it will be another 100 years til it falls again.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 17, 2006, 05:46:58 PM

Kijuki, you do know I dislike you...right?

But anywho,  :jest:

But what if it fails and it like...stays that way FOREVER? We'll be poor..I dun wanna be poor,  :cry:  <.<

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 17, 2006, 05:47:01 PM

That's why there's an economic cycle. EVerything in the world goes in this thing we call "flow." You can't prosper for too long, nor can you stay at the bottom forever. There will always be a fluctuation in the economy, no matter where you go. Japan has one of the best economies, but look at what they do. Eventually their era of prosperity will be ripped asunder and they will fall into decline. Things recess and things recover. It's not something I'm happy about, but that is how it works.

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Post by: Archem on June 17, 2006, 05:53:09 PM

Heh. I'm not the only one who saw this coming, at least. Since I was five, this kind of thing has always been at the back of my mind, but once I hit eight and actually understood how it all worked, it moved its way up to the front of my brain. I want to go to Canada, but something tells me that they'll be in just as much trouble in the near future... Call it a gut feeling.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on June 17, 2006, 06:03:44 PM

The american econemy won't fail that easy. Just because China is beating the US in some buisness areas doesn't mean squat. You can still have a very stable econamy and not being number 1. Besides, all of the top coorperations in the global market are american. Theres microsoft, IBM, Coka-Cola. Goerge Bush doesn't control the economy either, there are other trained people that handle all that crap.

The united states has a pretty strong economy right now, and it'd take A LOT to bring it down.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 17, 2006, 06:04:47 PM

Question, did Bill Gates leave Microsoft?

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Post by: Apex on June 17, 2006, 06:12:39 PM

USA economy failing.. Meh, big shock there...

Australia sounds good, hey Razor, mind if I stay with you until the US economy comes back into terms with reality..?

If not I could always go stay with Warxe in canada... OH CANADA OH CANADA, not  MY home and native land...!!!

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 17, 2006, 06:25:02 PM

Billy should still be with MS

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 17, 2006, 06:30:55 PM

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Kijuki, you do know I dislike you...right?

But anywho,  :jest:

But what if it fails and it like...stays that way FOREVER? We'll be poor..I dun wanna be poor,  :cry:  <.<

>.> what I do?

it cant stay that way forever... if it does it mean mexico will be in a better shape than the US, and well i just dont see that happening o.O it will b the apocalypse then XD

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 17, 2006, 06:35:56 PM

Hehehe.....that would be awso-- I mean..horrible.

I asked, cause on my aol thing it said something about Gates moving on from micro. But I was too lazy to read it <.<

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 17, 2006, 06:39:25 PM

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Bill Gates To Give Up Day-to-Day Role in 2 Years

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Microsoft (MSFT) effective 7/08, Bill Gates will transition out of his day-to-day role to spend more time at his foundation. After 7/08, Gates will continue as chairman and advisor on key development projects.

in other words, he's kinda like retiring o.O

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Post by: WarxePB on June 17, 2006, 08:24:49 PM

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If not I could always go stay with Warxe in canada... OH CANADA OH CANADA, not  MY home and native land...!!!

You'd have to pay me rent. ;)

As Sonic said, the economy will eventually fall. It's all in the cycle of things. When the US falls, the center of the world will probably shift to Europe, or possibly China (depending on how things go), but it might not be a totally bad thing. Most big corporations are intenrational, so they would lose some money from the loss of States consumers but still survive.

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Post by: Drace on June 18, 2006, 12:39:21 AM

Yes... once again Europe will be in the centre! EUROPE!!! GO GO GO!!!!!

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Post by: Revolution911 on June 18, 2006, 12:59:50 AM

DOWN WITH ASIA.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on June 18, 2006, 01:13:02 AM

Eh... If it does, it does. Nothing new. But I have this theory that america will eventualyl split into a bunch of of smaller countries. Like the states will seperate into different coutnries, and some smaller states will join together. Like the New England States.

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Post by: Darkfox on June 18, 2006, 02:57:20 AM

The Second Revolutionary War!

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Post by: DragonBlaze on June 18, 2006, 03:03:42 AM

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Eh... If it does, it does. Nothing new. But I have this theory that america will eventualyl split into a bunch of of smaller countries. Like the states will seperate into different coutnries, and some smaller states will join together. Like the New England States.

Go wisconsin!

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 18, 2006, 03:44:42 AM

Wisky is backwater!!!! >.>

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 18, 2006, 04:01:01 AM

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Eh... If it does, it does. Nothing new. But I have this theory that america will eventualyl split into a bunch of of smaller countries. Like the states will seperate into different coutnries, and some smaller states will join together. Like the New England States.

Dude, do you know how awesome it would be to reform the Confedaracy? Just, without the slavery? They could support themselves you know. Texan oil fields, Alabama cotton fields, Gulf fishing industry, southern cattle, it'd work!... Cept the Union'd have the US military... that'd be a bumemr.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 18, 2006, 11:06:08 AM

Well, I really belive something else if gonna happen. USA's nosy politic of interfering in eery country´s affair, their complete uncaring about the world and unmerciful economy will turn the world against them. Till now they´ve only bombed weak and poor countries. Wait till they mess with a big boy. USA may have the bombs (nuclear ones that they didn´t find in Iraq btw) and the superplanes, but they canpt take on the world.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 18, 2006, 12:44:28 PM

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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Well, I really belive something else if gonna happen. USA's nosy politic of interfering in eery country´s affair, their complete uncaring about the world and unmerciful economy will turn the world against them. Till now they´ve only bombed weak and poor countries. Wait till they mess with a big boy. USA may have the bombs (nuclear ones that they didn´t find in Iraq btw) and the superplanes, but they canpt take on the world.

Dude, sto pgetting all ****ing mad at the US. We won't touch you're economy. Stop thinking the US is out to dominate the world. Geez...

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Post by: Fang_of_blades on June 18, 2006, 01:09:37 PM

well i plan on in 2-3 years being a millionare ^_^ anyone with me? :D

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 18, 2006, 01:40:18 PM

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Eh... If it does, it does. Nothing new. But I have this theory that america will eventualyl split into a bunch of of smaller countries. Like the states will seperate into different coutnries, and some smaller states will join together. Like the New England States.

FUNFACT: Texas is the only one that can legally do that.

I don't think that the US is trying to control the world (there are laws against it ya know) But I think Bush is using the war on terror as cover to get rid of Saddam (they'll probably have a more corrupt leader in his place eventually) Most people in the Us were for it at first, and now they're against it. I'm pretty sure that next election we're going to have a Democrat (finally)

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on June 18, 2006, 01:44:20 PM

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But I think Bush is using the war on terror as cover to get rid of Saddam[/B]

A cover? 0_o I thought that was what the Iraq war was specifically for, to oust Saddam to stop the cruelty?

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 18, 2006, 01:52:54 PM

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but remember Bush talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? And then we didn't find them?

yeah... that was like... 3 years ago.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 18, 2006, 01:54:47 PM

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Originally posted by Almeidaboo Well, I really belive something else if gonna happen. USA's nosy politic of interfering in eery country´s affair, their complete uncaring about the world and unmerciful economy will turn the world against them. Till now they´ve only bombed weak and poor countries. Wait till they mess with a big boy. USA may have the bombs (nuclear ones that they didn´t find in Iraq btw) and the superplanes, but they canpt take on the world.

Dude, sto pgetting all ****ing mad at the US. We won't touch you're economy. Stop thinking the US is out to dominate the world. Geez...

Did I say any lie? Did you find nukes in Iraq? Do you provide Israel with weapons? Did you NOT sign Kyoto protocol? Do you obligate Brazil not to invest in the school system to pay the debt and refuse to let African countries external debt even though they´re bein decimated by poverty?

Does USA do that? Or am I lying? HUH? Am I the one mad here, or am I the only one that actually has the guts to point that s.hit out? So what´s the deal with you, over protecting and hiding your country's mistakes? Shouldn´t you acquire some consciouness and try to make it different in the future?

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Post by: Trevlac on June 18, 2006, 02:21:44 PM

"You" nothing. You're attacking members of the United States, and not it's leaders. The leaders make the effing decisions, not us, pal.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 18, 2006, 02:22:02 PM

FINALLY! I mean...>.> *coughs*

 

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Well, I really belive something else if gonna happen. USA's nosy politic of interfering in eery country´s affair, their complete uncaring about the world and unmerciful economy will turn the world against them. Till now they´ve only bombed weak and poor countries. Wait till they mess with a big boy. USA may have the bombs (nuclear ones that they didn´t find in Iraq btw) and the superplanes, but they canpt take on the world.

True, Us of A is quite nosey. In fact all countries are, but Us of A is at the top of the list. XD Um..don't we in a way already have like 1/4th of the world against us? I wanna live in the peaceful place, ;.; America fears using the nukes because of what happened to Japan, yet not only that but because a few other countries decided to play catch up and made their own nukes. Sooooooo boooo.....But it is true, in a way America kinda gives off the imperialism vibe because they protect smaller countries in return for money, or joining, and so forth.. Yet, they aren't completely taking over just 'helping' as they say.  :king:

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 18, 2006, 03:22:25 PM

The world is either ruled, or dictated. Now adays that's the obscure fact.

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Post by: Tomi on June 18, 2006, 05:19:41 PM

God, I hate when countries are so nosey.  Like in World war 2, we should have just let that Hitler guy alone, damn, why so nosey... :jest:

Yeah, US economy is not going to fall as easily as it says in the article.  Its only picking the facts that support the point, which is quite outlandish in my opinion...

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 18, 2006, 06:08:34 PM

America sucks! Boo! We all suck! We're satan! We wish to conquer your country and eat your children!

Seriously, more than half of the countries in this world have corrupt leaders. People only ignore those leaders and point out the US because we are the worlds superpower. Its like blaming Bush for Iraq. Bush isn't solely responsible, the majority of the US citizens are as well, along with congress etc. Bush takes the full front of the blame because he is the highest figure of authority the US has.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 18, 2006, 07:11:53 PM

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"You" nothing. You're attacking members of the United States, and not it's leaders. The leaders make the effing decisions, not us, pal.

Do you vote? I attack the nation of the USA not you people. Did I say I hate you?

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God, I hate when countries are so nosey. Like in World war 2, we should have just let that Hitler guy alone, damn, why so nosey...

Well, I won´t even bother discussing with you if you can´t distinguish the situations. Actually, do you see any resemblance between the world coming together to destroy a nation that cares nothing but for a small amount of people (themselves) and the world joining together to destroy a nation that cares nothing but for a small amount of people (themselves)?

 

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America sucks! Boo! We all suck! We're satan! We wish to conquer your country and eat your children!

Seriously, more than half of the countries in this world have corrupt leaders.

You can have corrupt leaders that **** you country inside. The people wil take care of that. But you can´t put the whole world in check-mate for your own beliefs.

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Post by: Tomi on June 18, 2006, 07:36:20 PM

 

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Well, I won´t even bother discussing with you if you can´t distinguish the situations. Actually, do you see any resemblance between the world coming together to destroy a nation that cares nothing but for a small amount of people (themselves) and the world joining together to destroy a nation that cares nothing but for a small amount of people (themselves)?

Wait, are we fighting AGAINST Iraq?  No.  We are fighting against Al Quieda (sp) and those who oppress the people of Iraq.  Were the Jews harming people? No.  How about Al Queida?  Hmm, I wonder... And if the US cares nothing but for themselves, why do you think that we spend money and resourses to help rebuild countries?

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 18, 2006, 07:37:00 PM

Attacking the nation of the USA, not not you people? WTF? Sorry buddy, but if you're attacking the nation's name, you are also attacking it's people. You think a lot of people WANT George Bush in office? No, but we can't do **** about it. You know why? Because WE, the people of the United States, CANNOT impeach him. Impeachments are made by congress (I believe it's the House). If we held that power, Bush would be gone, but we don't. Learn that **** first before you just start saying we need to do something about him.

Who regulates the economy? Hmmm... the government keeps a small check on businesses. Businesses pay taxes to the government. What does that equal to? Simple. CONGRESSMEN AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS GETTING MONEY IN THEIR POCKET. Well, I don't like it, seeing as it's the truth, but don't blame us, blame those stupid fucks in DC. We as a nation aren't corrupt; it's the people who hold power.

However, all of that said, we help other countries, whether you like the antics or not. Saddam is a threat either way, it was good to get rid of him. The reason other countries backed out was because they no longer saw a need in the fighting. But guess what? If the United States pulls out now, before the scheduled departure, every single life lost was meaningless. How would you feel going in to accomplish something, like it or not, and leave with finishing it? Every ****ing life that fell before your own eyes will have been lost for what? Something that never got to be completed? Something that we didn't finish accomplishing? Look at that, too, dipshit. I want to ask, what the **** has Brazil done that has really made any impact on the world besides god damn soccer? I don't want or mean to insult your country, but ****, look at what the **** you guys have done and look at we have done. Our soldiers have put their damn lives on the line for 2-3 years now, fighting a war, which is pretty much not worth it anymore, but they stay to accomplish what they are there for. If you can't even RESPECT what the men of the US Military are trying to do, you're a fucked up bastard that doesn't know what it means to have a ****ing backbone.

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Post by: DarkFlood2 on June 18, 2006, 07:48:33 PM

^agrees wholeheartedly

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Post by: Drace on June 18, 2006, 08:00:20 PM

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but remember Bush talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? And then we didn't find them?

yeah... that was like... 3 years ago.

More like a cover-up for OIL than for Sadam, but who cares? I do. Down with Bush! We want Clinton back! Wooh! Affaires!

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Post by: Osmose on June 18, 2006, 08:04:34 PM

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Originally posted by DarkFlood2 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but remember Bush talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? And then we didn't find them? yeah... that was like... 3 years ago.

More like a cover-up for OIL than for Sadam, but who cares? I do. Down with Bush! We want Clinton back! Wooh! Affaires!

At least Clinton could get some action.

Besides, fact number ten makes me doubt the sincerety of the article.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 18, 2006, 08:46:50 PM

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Our soldiers have put their damn lives on the line for 2-3 years now, fighting a war, which is pretty much not worth it anymore, but they stay to accomplish what they are there for. If you can't even RESPECT what the men of the US Military are trying to do, you're a ****** up bastard that doesn't know what it means to have a ******* backbone.

*coughs* Um..I believe the media reported something about us soldiers having no other op but to stay there til like 2008, since Bush made some kind of contract or something. So the only way they can go home is in a body bag or disabled...<.<

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Post by: Apex on June 18, 2006, 08:58:25 PM

Notice how all of these "Discussions" always turn into Arguements?

Before Charas is one nation torn apart, why don't we just find a common ground for everyone, Everyone who dislikes Bush, (Or Hates.) Continue as before. Everyone who likes Bush, go stand in the corner over there, where you will be sho.. Er... Educated..

None of us likes Bush, and he is giving the world an even worse oppinion on the United States, as well as giving the United States a worse oppinion on the middle east, and itself. While he isnt the soul cause of all of this tragidy on a once loved country, he and his cabinet members are deffinently a major factor in it, that is undenaible.

Besides, it's not the USA anymore, it's the UEA, United Enterprises of America, Becuase face it, we Don't have any say in this land anymore.
Now if you will excuse me, I am going to move to Japan, I hear it's very nice and clean.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 18, 2006, 09:02:59 PM

 

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None of us likes Bush

Do not assume...why do you think I've been making threads like this as of late? Everyone thinks differently, and no matter how nicely they put their words someone else is going to take offense to it. Nothing we can do about that, it's life...sides, I'm interested in everyones thoughts and reactions. If you don't like it, tough..there is another thread about full metal alchemist and we all know...Ed is hot.  :jest:

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 18, 2006, 09:35:04 PM

Don't get too personal on the issue... though that has pretty much been done.

If flaming escales and it gets out of control, you know the drill.

As for on topicness:

"No one likes bush"

I like him! He like the smartest chimp ever! you gotta give him that.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 02:25:37 AM

 

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Wait, are we fighting AGAINST Iraq? No. We are fighting against Al Quieda (sp)

How far do you belive that, really? If States were really fighting Al Qaeda, wtf did they give the goddamn nuclear bombs reason at first?

 

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I want to ask, what the **** has Brazil done that has really made any impact on the world besides god damn soccer?

Jesus, want me to list? Nah, just one: we never threw nukes at people and said it was a mistake. Nuff? You gotta leave the suburbs shell friend, and get in touch with some real fucked up reality. Plus, sincerely: what the hell was that statement???

 

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If you can't even RESPECT what the men of the US Military are trying to do, you're a ****** up bastard that doesn't know what it means to have a ******* backbone.

I respect but, mostly, feel pity that these guys really belive a cause that is untrue, and they do it cause they were obligated to belive it because of the god damn USA ideology!

If it is the laws and your government that makes all this image grow stronger, what do you think you have to do next? Grow up to be another suburb dweller, in your all-houses-looking-the-same scratching your butt and reading the papers that tells you lies? Or should you recognize all those mistakes and do your best to get up there, in the fucked up DC and do the possible, and impossible, for your Country to sign a protocol that, CHRIST, does only aim for something that belongs to the humanity????

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Were the Jews harming people? No.

WHAT? They were not killing anyone? Do you even know the story behind Israel? Please please please get to know it and you´ll understand what is being really nosy!

 

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"No one likes bush"

I like him! He like the smartest chimp ever! you gotta give him that.

I love chimps, still I hate Bush!

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on June 19, 2006, 02:42:55 AM

Okay, someone needs to start putting (Bush Bashing) in the titles of therads when they get like this. That way I know I don't need to bother reading it for I know what it will say. Saves me time.

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Post by: Osmose on June 19, 2006, 03:51:51 AM

Almediaboo, calm down, jeez. It's okay to have your own view, and you make some good points, and it was even deserved with the insult to Brazil, but I thought foreigners were supposed to be more reasonable than us dumb Americans. :D

 

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How far do you belive that, really? If States were really fighting Al Qaeda, wtf did they give the ******* nuclear bombs reason at first?

Mainly because we were afraid of the USSR and didn't want them to spread their evil communism of doom anywhere, including the Middle East. Al Qaeda were against the USSR interference in the Middle East, and we supported that. *shrug* That was the reasoning at the time.

 

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I respect but, mostly, feel pity that these guys really belive a cause that is untrue, and they do it cause they were obligated to belive it because of the god damn USA ideology!

You keep refering to this USA ideology. I really have no clue what you're talking about. The US is a mix of a bunch of different people. The problem is that, unlike most other countries in the world, our culture is the result of a mix of many cultures. You can't really label the entire country as a single mindset, especially since we only have a say on who makes the decisions - sometimes those that we want only agree with some of our views, but not all of them. So we elect someone who will do part of what we want but not all of it.

Or we elect someone who, although they're bad, they're better than the other choices we're given. Not to mention the power of majority - if one half of the nation agrees on something, and has a slightly bigger amount of people than the other side, than all those opposed get left in the dust. Then we get labeled by people from other countries, when many of us didn't want it in the first place.

Hence, I believe it's unfair to talk about this American mindset when many Americans don't have that mindset - we're just victims of a system that is currently displaying it's downfalls rather than it's benefits. I mean, look at President Clinton - despite a nasty sex scandal, it is generally agreed upon that he did some very good things during his term and had a good approval rating. And back then there were those that didn't like him. They were the minority at the time, and thus they weren't heard. Again, it is this system that makes it unfair for you to label our entire country. We are not a single culture, but many. It is your responsibility to recognize these different cultures.

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If it is the laws and your government that makes all this image grow stronger, what do you think you have to do next? Grow up to be another suburb dweller, in your all-houses-looking-the-same scratching your butt and reading the papers that tells you lies? Or should you recognize all those mistakes and do your best to get up there, in the ****** up DC and do the possible, and impossible, for your Country to sign a protocol that, CHRIST, does only aim for something that belongs to the humanity????

As idealistic and awesome as that sounds, many people, myself included, find that we don't have the interest or the drive to fix political problems, as they aren't our interest. Sure, it sounds ignorant to willingly accept what should and possibly could be changed in our government, but it is far more effort in a field I'm not even good at, when I could start affecting my life more directly by persuing my own interests, like programming or art. It's not that we sit in our identical suburbs, reading false political literature and believing it absolutely. It's that we live in our houses (they're not all alike, you know), do the things we enjoy, work at our jobs, and sleep at the end of the day. You act as if we are obsessed with our government. And, in your view, you might think that we should be. But to most people, it is a world they would rather not meddle in.


 

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Apex:Notice how all of these "Discussions" always turn into Arguements?

Before Charas is one nation torn apart, why don't we just find a common ground for everyone

If we all agreed on everything, life would be boring. The light fighting is what keeps things interesting. :D

 

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Apex:I am going to move to Japan, I hear it's very nice and clean.

HAH! Except for the perverted male population, the degenerate youth obsessed with technology to an unhealthy level, and the habit of schoolchildren to shove their fingers up the butts of large black men. Not to mention the crowded streets and diagonal crosswalks, the poorly translated English and the subtle sound-based Japanese.

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Post by: Archem on June 19, 2006, 04:04:57 AM

For what will hopefully be the last post arguing the current topic, many people in and out of the US don't agree with Bush, his actions, or his political planning, but not enough people can do anything important. The people are not at fault (unless you feel that those bought votes and percentage who truly voted for him count, but honestly, I don't care. Shut the **** up about that), so blame the US government, not the US. Or the soldiers, because, whether or not you agree with their reasons for fighting, at least they're willing to put their asses on the line for their beliefs. If you felt that strongly about something, you'd fight just as they do. American soldiers and politicians are making one of the largest impacts on the world (be it good or bad), but there are a few good things that are done. Criticize them for their faults, complement them for their victories, but don't generalize. And for God's sake, shut the **** up with your arguments, conflicting veiws and personalities can only lead to flame wars and roused emotions that lead to hate, discomfort, and general static among forum-goers. Enjoy the thread, but stay on topic to prevent heated conflicts that are just as ignorant as the people in charge of my country's government. And lastly, I'm not a voting kind of person; voting is just too stressful these days, so there's no way in hell that you'll ever see me contribute to the corruption and poor judgement seen in todays government when I reach the voting age. I'd rather just sit back, watch the world fall apart before me, and laugh, knowing that I was the one who saw it coming.
Wow.
In hindsight, I realize that this post could use revising, huh?

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Post by: Osmose on June 19, 2006, 04:17:11 AM

Yeah, considering you flame people in a sentance about trying to stop the flaming. :P

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 19, 2006, 04:26:02 AM

I agree with Osmose.

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Post by: Drace on June 19, 2006, 05:57:41 AM

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Don't get too personal on the issue... though that has pretty much been done.

If flaming escales and it gets out of control, you know the drill.

As for on topicness:

"No one likes bush"

I like him! He like the smartest chimp ever! you gotta give him that.

Don't EVER insult chimps like that again. EVER!

Chimps are way smarter than Bush.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 10:14:38 AM

Okay, I won´t answer all that cause many people wrote many things and I just woke up and I still have that morning goo thing in my eyes, so I can´t read that well.

But there seems to be a terminology misunderstanding here, that I belive to be caused by that fact that I'm not native english speaker.

Here we have 2 kinds of entities, that are separate (this' stabilished by law, but it´s reallly a mere concept). We have "physical people", which are us, the people; and juridic(?) people, that are something like a fake personality tht law gives to special entities: private societies, foundations and the countries.

When I say USA I never ever mean it´s people. You guys said I do. I know that not every person in Brazil is corrupt, still I can say that Brazil is a corrupted country. By USA you have to read "international behavior" of the country, that can have nothing to do with the  physical people! Osmose, for example, didn´t steal the pen from the embassador's hand so that he didn´t sign the Kyoto protocol! That´d be funny/absurd1!

BTW Osmose, the idealogy I mean can be describe by: military strengh pwns j00.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 01:14:18 PM

I believe he was talking about the US government this whole time, kittens.. :unsure:

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 03:41:33 PM

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I believe he was talking about the US government this whole time, kittens.. :unsure:

You can say that. Like, the USA will is shown to the exterior world by the government's acts. The government's acts almost NEVER correspond to the people's will right? I never belived that you american people could really want war, in any level, cause that´d be absurd, since I´m talking to well educated and reasonable people.

In other hand, I can´t say much about the USA government, simply because I don´t live there. But the belicist and intenventionist posture that has been shown during the past years can´t drive me to another conclusion other than that the USA is playing their cards too high agains an entire world, showing little worry about the future.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 03:49:37 PM

 

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I never belived that you american people could really want war, in any level,

Woah woah woah...lemmie correct that, cause you'd be surpise of how many (excuse the term) dumbasses wanted war. They actually attempted to take out "French" from french toast, and french fries  :jest: just cause the french refused to get involved in any war. People went around attacking muslims or anyone else who looked like they might be from Iraq in hopes of 'doing' something to help out. It went from beatdowns, to break ins, and so forth. It happened for a while, now you don't hear about it anymore. It's like, during the 'hype' of the war..in a way, America turned into a sort've mob and went around taking justice into their own hands. But then after a few years, most people came to a realization (thank god) that their actions were wrong. Stuff like this happens, the government takes action while the mob is confused. None realizes what's going on until it's almost to late.

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 19, 2006, 03:49:44 PM

Geez relax crazy americans.
Just 'cuz your economy might decline in the future doesn't mean that you'll be harvesting dirt and eat trash. It's actually happening often, Germany recently suffered an economic decline and it's happening in France right now.
And BTW I don't give much for those kind of apocalyptic prophecies. People make statements like this all the time and the source isn't reliable at all.

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Post by: Osmose on June 19, 2006, 05:41:08 PM

It's not a problem of Americans not being able to understand the concept of the government being different from the people. It's that you keep attacking us, the forum users, by saying how bad our government is. It seems to me that you're the one who doesn't know when to switch between the government and it's people.

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 06:02:10 PM

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It's not a problem of Americans not being able to understand the concept of the government being different from the people. It's that you keep attacking us, the forum users, by saying how bad our government is. It seems to me that you're the one who doesn't know when to switch between the government and it's people.

But you´re given the right to refute what I´m saying right? If it is true, you can agree, if it isn´t, you can disagree.

I exposed the concept simply because it´s not the same way everywhere, specially when Brazil's law comes from the Roman law and ther US's law is Common Law. I didn´t say you americans don´t get it, did I?

Not just that, I already said that I speak about the things that have been done by your country, not you Charas people that live in USA. Unfortunately that affects your patriotic feeling, and thats unevitable because, like it or not, your government is treating the world like **** and you´re the one that look out bad! So it´s up to you to go against that by, at least (in case you don´t like politics), voting right! And gong to the streets for the things you belive.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 19, 2006, 06:02:35 PM

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I never belived that you american people could really want war, in any level,

Woah woah woah...lemmie correct that, cause you'd be surpise of how many (excuse the term) dumbasses wanted war. They actually attempted to take out "French" from french toast, and french fries  :jest: just cause the french refused to get involved in any war. People went around attacking muslims or anyone else who looked like they might be from Iraq in hopes of 'doing' something to help out. It went from beatdowns, to break ins, and so forth. It happened for a while, now you don't hear about it anymore. It's like, during the 'hype' of the war..in a way, America turned into a sort've mob and went around taking justice into their own hands. But then after a few years, most people came to a realization (thank god) that their actions were wrong. Stuff like this happens, the government takes action while the mob is confused. None realizes what's going on until it's almost to late.

Actually, the French didn't want to expend anything for the coalition, but they wanted to reap the rewards after it was all said and done.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 06:34:29 PM

LOL, yeah but it's still amusing that people went around saying **** THE FRENCH! and actually attempted taking french of of toast, omg XD

WAAAAAAAAIT, Almei I'm going to have to go against you on that one.. Most of us who are smart enough to vote are underage not only that.. but the last election (was it? Correct me if I'm wrong please) in florida, over a million 'minorities' or black folk were prevented from voting. Lol, and nothing was done about it XD They waited in line forever, and did  not get a chance to vote..I know because my best friend's mother went to vote down there, and they actually stopped her for whatever reason I dunno. This has people in my school thinking there is no purpose in voting, since it doesn't count. But that's how we feel...woah, 2008 is gonna be amusing..

Hilary Vs. Diddy!

I can't wait!!  :taunt:

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 06:49:07 PM

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LOL, yeah but it's still amusing that people went around saying **** THE FRENCH! and actually attempted taking french of of toast, omg XD

WAAAAAAAAIT, Almei I'm going to have to go against you on that one.. Most of us who are smart enough to vote are underage not only that.. but the last election (was it? Correct me if I'm wrong please) in florida, over a million 'minorities' or black folk were prevented from voting. Lol, and nothing was done about it XD They waited in line forever, and did  not get a chance to vote..I know because my best friend's mother went to vote down there, and they actually stopped her for whatever reason I dunno. This has people in my school thinking there is no purpose in voting, since it doesn't count. But that's how we feel...woah, 2008 is gonna be amusing..

Hilary Vs. Diddy!

I can't wait!!  :taunt:

That's absurd! Voting is a Constitutional right in the USA isn´t it? WTF, how did they not let you vote?? How come no one did nothing??

I didn´t say americans ain´t smart to vote right, or even to vote! I said: VOTE! Because it´s your chance do make it right! Or at least fight for what you belive and change what´s been done! Do not stand still while you see absurds like that happen. Do something to end the war. Do something to end the image the USA has on the world!

EDIT: Oh, BTW, many will say i´m a idealistic and call me utopia-man. Yeah, I´m all that, but as long as people think that ideals like that are utopia, all will remain the same. And we will perish.

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 19, 2006, 06:57:02 PM

ALmei, are you worried about the world, america, or brazil?

No offense btw. I can't put your thoughts together because I don't know who you are worried about.

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 07:01:41 PM

I believe it got out after the votes were counted...Nothing anyone could've done after that, because it's a known fact that blacks will vote for decromat and not republican. Million is not the correct number, my bad <.<

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Post by: Sephiroth rocks on June 19, 2006, 07:06:04 PM

I don't get why americans seem to dislike french people so much. What have they ever done to the US?

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 07:13:01 PM

Brazil? No, Brazil's doing fine I think.
The USA? Hm...maybe.
The world? Of course. Both Brazil and the USA (just saying this to create the sentence, not calling you...stuff.) dwell in the same world.

I wish things to be done right. I want everyone to fight for the same cause, and not for selfish causes. That´s the diff between USA's intervention in WW2 and USA's intervention in Iraq.

I want people to put away the patriotism to see clear all the problems the world have, and internally, in our own countries, do the changes ourselves.

I want our soldiers to drop the weapons, intead of raising them, when our governments tell us to fight for something that is not right!

Am I an idiot for saying that? Am I wrong? Should I scream the oposite?

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 07:17:30 PM

Not at all Almei. But be warned you shall be visited by our cia soon.. >;3 lol, jk. I personally think that no government should deal with other places until they've dealt with their own country...I've often wondered what life would be like without money..

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 07:20:23 PM

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I personally think that no government should deal with other places until they've dealt with their own country.

Hell yeah, we´re on agreement.

But the main question is: since when did people start calling me "Almei"???

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 19, 2006, 07:29:51 PM

Since typing your whole nickname became effortful

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 07:34:50 PM

Effortful is not even a word, Kijuki! Omg, XD It's your new name, since I'm waaaaay to lazy to type the whole thing  :jest:

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 19, 2006, 07:35:45 PM

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Effortful is not even a word, Kijuki! Omg, XD It's your new name, since I'm waaaaay to lazy to type the whole thing  :jest:

It's what I meant tho :P

It became almei cause of lazyness :P

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 07:38:20 PM

Whatever,  :bee_wtf:

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Post by: Almeidaboo on June 19, 2006, 07:41:29 PM

YOU AMERICANS TRYING TO CONQUER MY NICKNAMEEE!!! :para:

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on June 19, 2006, 07:44:57 PM

I ama mexican dammit!

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Post by: Midnight9795 on June 19, 2006, 07:48:41 PM

You're an american <.<

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on June 19, 2006, 08:24:20 PM

I'm a Nobody.

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Post by: Drace on June 19, 2006, 08:26:50 PM

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LOL, yeah but it's still amusing that people went around saying **** THE FRENCH! and actually attempted taking french of of toast, omg XD

WAAAAAAAAIT, Almei I'm going to have to go against you on that one.. Most of us who are smart enough to vote are underage not only that.. but the last election (was it? Correct me if I'm wrong please) in florida, over a million 'minorities' or black folk were prevented from voting. Lol, and nothing was done about it XD They waited in line forever, and did  not get a chance to vote..I know because my best friend's mother went to vote down there, and they actually stopped her for whatever reason I dunno. This has people in my school thinking there is no purpose in voting, since it doesn't count. But that's how we feel...woah, 2008 is gonna be amusing..

Hilary Vs. Diddy!

I can't wait!!  :taunt:

I've seen that in Michael Moore's 'Farhenheit 911'. In my honest opinion based on the given facts, Bush cheated the election.

EDIT: Al >>>> Almei.

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Post by: oooog on June 19, 2006, 08:36:07 PM

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I don't get why americans seem to dislike french people so much. What have they ever done to the US?

It's funny, we believe the french dislike the U.S.  Well, if you think about it right now, everyone dislikes the U.S.

The way I see it...
Maybe everyone seems to believe hey, it's only a matter of time till the world kerplodes so mineaswell piss away all the resources because of apocolypseseseses and kerplosions.

Wouldnt it just be nice if everyone in the world just suddenly decided to think:
"Hey, were fighting with each other over useless things that could easily be fixed my not killing people"

Grrr....now I'm angry.  I'm thinking about politics.  I need to waste away my mind on anime.

Good day.

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Post by: Osmose on June 19, 2006, 08:39:01 PM

 

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If it is the laws and your government that makes all this image grow stronger, what do you think you have to do next? Grow up to be another suburb dweller, in your all-houses-looking-the-same scratching your butt and reading the papers that tells you lies?

 

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Jesus, want me to list? Nah, just one: we never threw nukes at people and said it was a mistake. Nuff? You gotta leave the suburbs shell friend, and get in touch with some real ****** up reality.

 

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You can have corrupt leaders that **** you country inside. The people wil take care of that. But you can´t put the whole world in check-mate for your own beliefs.

All of these quotes give at least me the impression that you blame not only the government, but the people as well. You labeled us as suburb dwelling pawns, and the last one suggests that Americans aren't realizing the magnitude of their responsibility by electing people like Bush.

We can't just walk out the door and go vote, either. We have to wait for elections.