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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Jek on July 31, 2006, 10:40:09 PM

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Post by: Jek on July 31, 2006, 10:40:09 PM
heres for all who posted about me (in a bad way)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k127/jekrpg/churchsign.jpg
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on July 31, 2006, 10:43:42 PM
We don't want apologizes. You could be a good member if you would just read the forum rules and learn what not to do.

I mean, you topic kicked, you created redundent threads (meaning, you made topics that were already previously created), you elongaged your avatar, you expanded the screen, triple posted.... Just read the rules of the forum.

Now, bad grammar, that's not a rule, just something that irks a lot of us.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 31, 2006, 10:46:16 PM
Which further increases my point in the other thread. Wow. This forum needs a paddle.
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Post by: Ruler of the Dark on July 31, 2006, 10:46:34 PM
That post would have been more sincere if you had used better grammar.
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Post by: Cosmos on July 31, 2006, 10:47:02 PM
Jek, it's a forum. Don't take things said to heart man. I was messing around with ya, don't get me wrong..bad grammar does annoy me but not that much. I talk to Kijuki for god's sake * :jest: * You don't need to apologize to anyone, just try and keep up with the rule. Kay?
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on July 31, 2006, 10:47:56 PM
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That post would have been more sincere if you had used better grammar.


How true.
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Post by: Cosmos on July 31, 2006, 10:53:33 PM
You guys are so rude.  :dry:
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on July 31, 2006, 10:54:54 PM
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You guys are so hawt.  :firefox:


Why thankyou.
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on July 31, 2006, 10:54:55 PM
I look away for maybe five minutes and this got four more posts!

Jek: Pretend you're in English class or something. Like Midnight said, don't let what people say get to you. This goes with real life and not just in a forum.
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Post by: Cosmos on July 31, 2006, 10:58:52 PM
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You guys are so hawt.  :firefox:


Why thankyou.


LOL!

Kijuki, how does that sound tho? You speak against it, and yet you act the complete opposite xD
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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on July 31, 2006, 11:05:33 PM
Thats from a baptist church. NEVAR FORGIVENESS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Osmose on July 31, 2006, 11:06:42 PM
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I talk to Kijuki for god's sake


I still don't understand quite particularly why you do this.
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Post by: coreystranick on July 31, 2006, 11:17:15 PM
Jek, alot of us were messing with you. Take the advice from Mid and MiC. Read the rules and don't take stuff all too seriously. Atleast you are better then jynce so far. You haven't made a thread about St.Lucie and other stuff.

*Sorry guys if I shouldn't have brought up SL*
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Post by: Cosmos on July 31, 2006, 11:24:21 PM
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I talk to Kijuki for god's sake


I still don't understand quite particularly why you do this.


Same reason I talk to you? No, not sex.  :jest:
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on July 31, 2006, 11:29:44 PM
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You guys are so hawt.  :firefox:


Why thankyou.


LOL!

Kijuki, how does that sound tho? You speak against it, and yet you act the complete opposite xD


Spoke against what o.o
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Post by: Apex on August 01, 2006, 12:29:18 AM
Seriously though, look at his age compared to yours... He still has alot of growing up to do... I remember when I first joined, I never used correct punctuation, and I didn't care either way how I spelled something. No one criticized me then, and yet I changed on my own. Just leave his grammar alone, at least he doesn't type out his posts in "1337-speak."

Jek, you don't have to radically change the way you type just because these people are screaming at you to do so, I don't recall seeing anywhere that you can't type with grammatical flaws. Be yourself, even if people don't want you to be.

As for the topic kicking, we all make mistakes, just try not to do it, it isn't an offense that is punishable by death after all.

And the Naruto threads, lay off them... Leave that stuff for a Naruto forum, because this one is for Rpg games and makers..
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Post by: Bluhman on August 01, 2006, 03:01:13 AM
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grammer


MAR.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 04:14:50 AM
Don't spoil him Apex. He may be 12, but he's (supposibly) not stupid. He should know how to type properly, regardless.

If I had my way, I could type: "wifahryhagbk wbugrwkabwk bwkreyo9;pakawpfeknbt " and everyone would know what I was speaking about, but that's not how things work. When Jek writes: "ey guys i got a naruto quikz for u to tke plz take it but hey its cool" you can't exactly tell what he's talking about.

In other words, if he's going to try to post something, he should also make sure his message is clear.
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Post by: Razor on August 01, 2006, 04:29:12 AM
Arg, you guys.
You've got the poor kid apologising now.

Oh Jek, if it makes you feel any better, MIC hates everyone new.
And anyone who was new at some stage.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 04:37:56 AM
And that's the only reason I don't hate you Razor... you were never new... you just exsisted.
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Post by: MrMister on August 01, 2006, 04:37:58 AM
BANG THE BAN GAVEL FOR GOD'S SAKE
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Post by: Drace on August 01, 2006, 08:59:38 AM
My church sign owns your church sign.
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 10:15:57 AM
oook...?
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Post by: Revolution911 on August 01, 2006, 02:39:30 PM
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oook...?


Way to ruin the flow, nightwoman.
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Post by: Apex on August 01, 2006, 03:20:24 PM
Jek, I have seen alot of your posts lately, BIG improvement..

Good job, keep it up!


As for this thread, it is now officially spam-land...
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 04:09:31 PM
Hence the "Ok...?"  :dry:
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 04:48:28 PM
Yet noBODY is doing anything about it =D

I thought something was going to go down.
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Post by: jynce on August 01, 2006, 04:54:18 PM
Tisk tisk tisk the same thing will happen to you that has happened to me, noone is going to like you and ur going to haveto listen to meiscool's ridcule and BTW meiscool i was looking at the naruto quiz thing and u said to suck your cock i remember you saying that ur were a girl which would bring me to believe you have a dick,but to get back on topic jek u should just quit these forums because people make there impression on you by the first thing u post.
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Post by: jynce on August 01, 2006, 04:56:43 PM
I'm almost banned woooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!
But however i shall check on you guys with Sharingan(throws a smoke bomb and runs)
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 05:04:56 PM
Jynce, just because noone likes you means nothing about everyone else. Everyone was a complete spammer at one point, and we even spam every now and then. Noone likes you because you don't know how to take feedback. You wish to be banned so you wont have a reason to come back, oh my god..What is the log out button for? Log out, and go slit your wrists or something.

Kijuki, why don't you go ask the all and all mod to do something. If not, speak up and stop dancing around the issue. I know you consider yourself just a member now, but you know you can either ignore it or do something about it yourself.
Title: U SHOULD BURN IN HELL MIDNIGHT!!!!!
Post by: jynce on August 01, 2006, 05:07:04 PM
...............
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 05:12:32 PM
Aww Jynce, I luv ya too. I really wish you wouldn't take what everyone says to heart tho. It's just a forum, you don't have to be so concerned with what everyone else says. So what if people call you a n00b, we've all got a bit of that in us. Just gotta learn to grow up a bit.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 05:13:49 PM
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Kijuki, why don't you go ask the all and all mod to do something. If not, speak up and stop dancing around the issue. I know you consider yourself just a member now, but you know you can either ignore it or do something about it yourself.


As far as I recall is that not backseat modding? While as what I am doing is  expressing whats going on; nothing. You are kinda telling me to do something against the rule... perhaps then I'll get some other mod on my tail about it eh?

And I AM doing something about it myself, my own way of course.

And I can't ignore it now; i got threaten already for it, I do not plan to keep that happening.
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 05:19:21 PM
*muses*
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Post by: SaiKar on August 01, 2006, 05:28:04 PM
Did it ever occur to you to not dance around the issue, not help in your own way, and not keep bringing it up every single day? You were a moderator here for years. You know the rules. You SHOULD know how to generally not abuse them. But for some reason you want to poke at the very fragile peace that keeps this place together.

You don't want to me an admin or a mod anymore, fine. Well "normal members" just talk about whatever. They don't try to bend the rules and they don't try to save the forum in their own little distruptive way.

Just knock it off. Enough. No more little games between us. You dropped your responsibilies and your powers. Play by the rules you chose.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 05:35:22 PM
What other way can I reach the point I want to reach?

You know that playing by the rules does not do any more good, and now in these forums you shunned for it by a lot of members.

I see a lot of disgrace going on, and i see nothing done about it. I a not saying I dont want you as an admin, where the hell are you getting that idea from? As faras I am concern i've told you countless of times that you are indeed a good admin.

I have not at all hurt anyone the only people ive seen upset is the staff; thats you (sai), razor and Midnight. No ONE else has said or acted strongly back against me, pretty much cause I am not doing anything wrong.

I know the rules, yes, I know through and through, but following them is now probably worst than not following them.

Even then! I am not breaking any as far as I am concern (perhaps the spamming one, but please dun use that against me), i am not even questioning them.

I am not playing games, this isnt a game for me.

SAving the forum is not something I am trying to reach for, that seems too idealistic, dont you think?
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 05:38:54 PM
He said, "You don't want to be an admin or a mod anymore, fine. Well "normal members" just talk about whatever." He typo'd.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 05:41:18 PM
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He said, "You don't want to be an admin or a mod anymore, fine. Well "normal members" just talk about whatever." He typo'd.


Em, even worst. I never said no, but I know i disregarded the post for personal reasons and I am not allow to have it back. But i never said i didnt want to.

What does have to do with anything though?

You better not be thinking I am doing this cause i am not an admin or mod, or ima gonna laugh
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Post by: Cosmos on August 01, 2006, 05:43:55 PM
*shrugs* I'm not a bloodie mind reader,  :jest:  Anyways, I think this *as in the you vs him thing* is over *for now*. So... hmm.. Such hard choices in life.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on August 01, 2006, 05:46:14 PM
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because people make there impression on you by the first thing u post.

It's called a first impression, and it's the same way in real life as well. If you make a bad first impression, people may not respect you as much. If you make a good one, they usually respect you more. But making a bad first impression doesn't kill your chances from that point on, jynce. You can still "redeem" yourself by making a better impression for yourself in the long run.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 05:46:57 PM
me vs him O.o

I think this is why people are ticked; ppl keep making things up! I have nothing against someone personally or in particular.

My views stretch to half of the staff and the majority of the members
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 06:26:55 PM
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BTW meiscool i was looking at the naruto quiz thing and u said to suck your cock i remember you saying that ur were a girl which would bring me to believe you have a dick.


Yes, I'm a girl with a penis. Is there a problem?
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 06:29:37 PM
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BTW meiscool i was looking at the naruto quiz thing and u said to suck your cock i remember you saying that ur were a girl which would bring me to believe you have a dick.


Yes, I'm a girl with a penis. Is there a problem?


You are 15; how the hll did that happen?
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 06:32:24 PM
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BTW meiscool i was looking at the naruto quiz thing and u said to suck your cock i remember you saying that ur were a girl which would bring me to believe you have a dick.


Yes, I'm a girl with a penis. Is there a problem?


You are 15; how the hll did that happen?


My boyfriend tried to rape me, so I cut off his.. you know... and chose to wear it as a trophy.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 06:43:16 PM
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BTW meiscool i was looking at the naruto quiz thing and u said to suck your cock i remember you saying that ur were a girl which would bring me to believe you have a dick.


Yes, I'm a girl with a penis. Is there a problem?


You are 15; how the hll did that happen?


My boyfriend tried to rape me, so I cut off his.. you know... and chose to wear it as a trophy.


:S

You are freaky.
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Post by: Osmose on August 01, 2006, 06:54:53 PM
What a time to get the orange name. My opinion can now be called biased. :

I don't like you, KM, and I haven't for a long time, for a number of reasons. One of them has been that you try to deny that you have any bad emotions towards anyone. And then, when this is pointed out, you deny it too. That's crap - there are people you don't like, and trying to say that you don't, or even trying not to, hate anyone, is a lie.

I still don't get what you are freaking out about so much? What's wrong with Charas that you don't like? I don't see anything wrong myself.
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Post by: Revolution911 on August 01, 2006, 06:57:16 PM
I like this topic.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
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I like this topic.


I knew you would.
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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on August 01, 2006, 07:13:30 PM
Dammit I missed jynce! HUG HIM!!!!!!
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Post by: Archem on August 01, 2006, 07:13:59 PM
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I like this kitten.

Hey! Me too!
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 07:14:54 PM
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What a time to get the orange name. My opinion can now be called biased. :

I don't like you, KM, and I haven't for a long time, for a number of reasons. One of them has been that you try to deny that you have any bad emotions towards anyone. And then, when this is pointed out, you deny it too. That's crap - there are people you don't like, and trying to say that you don't, or even trying not to, hate anyone, is a lie.

I still don't get what you are freaking out about so much? What's wrong with Charas that you don't like? I don't see anything wrong myself.


Yeah there's people I dun like, but none of the people, people are pointing out.

I am a passive person, I do not like being that head to head with people. Like with you, I dun like you or dislike you, more like understand the way you are, and accept the way you are.

As far for denying I have no idea what you are talking about =D

Like i said, I am human I dislike other people, but you are TRYING (or perhaps WANT me) to make me dislike people I dont really dislike.

I dont dislike you, you are just that kind of "mehish" person to me.

LoL? I am freaking out? xD

Take a look aroound my posts, I have but been defending myself from accusations. Like this post!

Who restarted this? you did. But then again when people (or perhaps the staff, may I say) see me replying back they will see me freaking out, when truly, I am not.

Sorry but I dun feel freaked out, I dun feel like this a hopeless place, I dun feel like this place is about to be doomed. I just feel this place is pretty mucha disgrace and I am trying to see how far it can go :D is about all.

Dun worry moose, I dun hate you or dislike you, but if you wish to dislike and hate and persuade others to do the same, then feel free. Cause that's exactly who you are =) and I accept that.

The orange vest further proves the staff point though, but i have nothing against the staff, it just keeps loooking that way :S

(before it turns into a display of something I dont want to I wil define what I mean by "disgrace". I see people being attacked by others, and nothing being done. I see people abusing the rules "more than me" and I am the one getting the finger pointed at because apperantly and obviously what I speak of is too touchy for some people. I also SEE some poeple hold a lot of anger and/or discord against other people, but nobody minds! Yet i am being here trying to be convinced I should hate or dislike people.

Thats what i mean by disgraced. Now, why am I still here? Cause I can and I want, and thats not breaking or bending anything!.)
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Post by: Osmose on August 01, 2006, 07:55:36 PM
Great job on nearly missing the entire point of the post. It takes you 11 paragraphs to get to what I want to know - I had nearly lost hope.

So what you think is wrong about Charas is that people are being mean and you're being attacked? Too bad. Sure, there's a few people who are innately stupid, like Meiscool or jynce. But no matter what we do, we'll never be able to keep them from being who they are. We can, as a community, try to tell them to knock it out, but until they do anything ban-worth (such as jynce has and is close to a ban I personally thing).

As for the other stuff, I'm not trying to make you dislike anyone, I'm saying I don't believe that you're all happy go lucky with most people - it especially irks me how you sound so assuming when trying to defend yourself. Additionally, I was talking about you when mentioning the orange name. Don't be so full of yourself.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on August 01, 2006, 07:55:46 PM
Heh heh heh, you people.

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My boyfriend tried to rape me, so I cut off his.. you know... and chose to wear it as a trophy.

And you still haven't given it back you b*stard! I said sorry!
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Post by: X_marks_the_ed on August 01, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
It's amazing how any topic can turn into a spam thread within 2 pages.


Jek, I also have seen much improvement. Besides, all you need for spelling is a spell checker.
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Post by: Razor on August 01, 2006, 08:06:28 PM
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Em, even worst. I never said no, but I know i disregarded the post for personal reasons and I am not allow to have it back. But i never said i didnt want to.

Yanno, leaving Charas for a month without saying anything directly is a pretty big "no, thanks" in my books.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 08:12:42 PM
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Great job on nearly missing the entire point of the post. It takes you 11 paragraphs to get to what I want to know - I had nearly lost hope.

So what you think is wrong about Charas is that people are being mean and you're being attacked? Too bad. Sure, there's a few people who are innately stupid, like Meiscool or jynce. But no matter what we do, we'll never be able to keep them from being who they are. We can, as a community, try to tell them to knock it out, but until they do anything ban-worth (such as jynce has and is close to a ban I personally thing).

As for the other stuff, I'm not trying to make you dislike anyone, I'm saying I don't believe that you're all happy go lucky with most people - it especially irks me how you sound so assuming when trying to defend yourself. Additionally, I was talking about you when mentioning the orange name. Don't be so full of yourself.


Ah yes, lets keep at it, shall we?

 
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    Great job on nearly missing the entire point of the post. It takes you 11 paragraphs to get to what I want to know - I had nearly lost hope.


This by far is your most cliche line ever. Either no one understand you "genious" or you are just not approaching the point correctly.

The point of your post was merely to continue the argument and say that you don't believe no one (or in this case me) can not hate someone.

Well if you think that or even should doubt that, then, you might be a bit ignorant. Now, you don't nearly know me as other people do, hence you cannot know who I do dislike, OR if I REALLY dislike someone. Here in charas I dont particularly dislike anybody, but I do have some people I just try to avoid, because I don't want to clash with them; yes, you are one of them, because i particularly think you are an ignorant person, and many people have told me about it, even some of the staff. Now I am not judging you as ignorant person, I "see" you as an ignorant person but not judge you as one, because, well I don't know you, and well, I *don't* want to know you, and not because I am fll of myself, but because I don't want to "dislike" you.

 
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So what you think is wrong about Charas is that people are being mean and you're being attacked? Too bad.


LOL, no. Now *YOU* are the one missing the point... OR i can just say your being your ignorant and dispatching everything else I said and just using that one misly point against me as a integating attemp toward me. Further read what I said and argue with ABOUT ALL I SAID. Not just one oarticular point you can use to try and offend me.

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Sure, there's a few people who are innately stupid, like Meiscool or jynce. But no matter what we do, we'll never be able to keep them from being who they are. We can, as a community, try to tell them to knock it out, but until they do anything ban-worth (such as jynce has and is close to a ban I personally thing).


I dont see how this comes to play, I never suggested to try to change people. The ban-worth on Jynce IS justified, however, I've seen such other intolerant actions that are not being taken care of, and when I see this, i found it unfair.

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As for the other stuff, I'm not trying to make you dislike anyone, I'm saying I don't believe that you're all happy go lucky with most people - it especially irks me how you sound so assuming when trying to defend yourself.


lol I am happy go lucky with most people. Don't ask me, go ask countless of people I've talked to go to deviant art, google my name and looks for me and ask people about me! I think it will be counted the times I am not happy go lucky. And I only am when I need to. I am of the type that doesnt do hatred, and if its hard for you to accept that, oh well so bad for you.

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Additionally, I was talking about you when mentioning the orange name. Don't be so full of yourself


I dont particular understand what you are saying here. Please elaborate.

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Em, even worst. I never said no, but I know i disregarded the post for personal reasons and I am not allow to have it back. But i never said i didnt want to.

Yanno, leaving Charas for a month without saying anything directly is a pretty big "no, thanks" in my books.

I know and I understand, but I didn't leave cause I didn't want to be an admin or mod anymore, as if charas was the only thing in my life.

There were personal reasons in that, that you wouldnt understand, it might not excuse why I left, but it does excuse the fact that leaving was not just because I didnt want to be an admin, which wasn't even the point at all.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on August 01, 2006, 08:24:19 PM
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Sure, there's a few people who are innately stupid, like Meiscool.


WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'm gonna be a n00b and complain! You **** head!



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My boyfriend tried to rape me, so I cut off his.. you know... and chose to wear it as a trophy.

And you still haven't given it back you b*stard! I said sorry!


Only if you kill Osmose :p
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Post by: Razor on August 01, 2006, 08:37:05 PM
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There were personal reasons in that, that you wouldnt understand, it might not excuse why I left, but it does excuse the fact that leaving was not just because I didnt want to be an admin, which wasn't even the point at all.

Though you left Charas for that lengthy period of time you still managed to visit Myspace whenever you felt necessary?
Contradicting to the fact I thought you had originally said that it was a vacation away from the internet. Myspace = Internet.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 08:43:17 PM
And that has to do with what, in this discussion?

I only went into myspace because after I came back from the camping trip I want to keep in touch with some people, who've asked to keep in touch. ( they dun really have cellphones i can call to, so internet was the option)

I see no relevance with you bringing that up, for it has nothing to do with what its been discussed.

...or Maybe you recent the fact that I could've visited charas but I didnt?

I also had said that I did went to myspace for stated reasons but i did not go anywhere else, because I wanted to keep my internet activities to a minimal.

Coming into charas would mean getting more involved in the internet more than I wanted to.

Do not bring that discussion further up, this discussion isnt even about that.
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Post by: Razor on August 01, 2006, 08:48:32 PM
It IS relevant to the discussion, or at least the one we were having. We were discussing that you left. And that you also had internet.
It's all relevant.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on August 01, 2006, 08:53:10 PM
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It IS relevant to the discussion, or at least the one we were having. We were discussing that you left. And that you also had internet.
It's all relevant.


Myspace is not relevant to charas.

Me being in myspace for personal reasons is not revelant to charas.

I did contradict the reason I left for personal reason, but even that, has nothing to do with charas.

If you are irked cause I didn't visit charas and I visited myspace, I am sorry. But in my plans there was going to be no visiting myspace either, but the plan changed.

You don't know that part of the story, and you are throwing it against me and I don't plan to tell you that part of the story cause its personal.

You think charas was the only place I left? Noo wai. Stop taking it personal. I know it wasn't right but i still don't see how THAT relates to be saying I didnt want to be an admin at charas, though i do understand where you are coming from.
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Post by: Osmose on August 01, 2006, 09:00:42 PM
Mistype. "Additionally, I wasn't talking about you when mentioning the orange name. Don't be so full of yourself"

Either way, I still don't see how you think that going "zomg charas sucks" is going to help solve whatever nonexistant problem you see. Really, there has been no problem for a while now. It seems that you're creating this problem out of thin air just to stir up trouble. You've been nothing but vague when describing it. Maybe you'd like to outline exactly what you think is wrong with Charas and what you think people should do about it?