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Title: Cosmic Theories and Philosophies
Post by: EXO Muffin on September 09, 2006, 07:32:03 PM

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Atheism and the Big Bang

Did any god(s) start the universe for a reason? If so, why? What controls the laws of the universe; is it preset, or man-made?

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Post by: Emerates on September 09, 2006, 10:17:18 PM

I believe that parallel universe run parallel to each other, and thus, never cross, as many people seem to think (not necessarily you guys).  However, I think there is a way to attenuate the multiversal fabric to make them come closer together and eventually touch.  Still not crossing, but bent enough to make a small bridge, as demonstrated below.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 10, 2006, 12:12:12 AM

IF there was a parallel universe, it would either be exactly the same, or completely differant.

If you think about it, in order for one person to be alive in two parallel universes, the universes would have to be EXACTLY the same, even one minut differance could very well mean that the person would have never been born. If the two universes ran parallel to eachother for all this time, they would continue to do so.

If the two parallel universes could have differances between them, then they would be completely differant and one person from one univese wouldn't exist in the other.

This is true for however many universes there may be.

You'll have better luck bringing the guy back by going back in time.

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Post by: Linkizcool on September 10, 2006, 12:18:52 AM

You smacked the nail on the head.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 10, 2006, 01:18:17 AM

Here's my theory. Jesus (Hebrew name Yeshua) was the messiah for real. The Jews hate Jesus for "pretending" to be the son of God (Yahweh). So they renounce Jesus. This pissed Jesus off so he reincarnated himself as Hitler. Throughout his life he aspired to become a painter until one day he was rejected. Then he remembered that he was Jesus and said "**** you, I'm a dragon!" and went about killing Jews for blaspheming his name all those years.

So really Adolf Hitler is Jesus, and he didn't commit genocide, he exacted his godly revenge upon heretics!

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 10, 2006, 01:25:37 AM

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Here's my theory. Jesus (Hebrew name Yeshua) was the messiah for real. The Jews hate Jesus for "pretending" to be the son of God (Yahweh). So they renounce Jesus. This pissed Jesus off so he reincarnated himself as Hitler. Throughout his life he aspired to become a painter until one day he was rejected. Then he remembered that he was Jesus and said "**** you, I'm a dragon!" and went about killing Jews for blaspheming his name all those years.

So really Adolf Hitler is Jesus, and he didn't commit genocide, he exacted his godly revenge upon heretics!

Already did that one dude.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 10, 2006, 01:41:18 AM

Least now I'll get responces other then Kijiki's hypocritical: "OMFG j00 spamres lol dumshits i made copying othrs 1st u worship me 8D"

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Post by: Drace on September 10, 2006, 07:38:26 AM

MIC's theory sounds plausible. I always knew God and Jesus were bastards.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 10, 2006, 09:47:48 AM

Technically they are, because God had no parents (So they can't have been married) And Jesus was kinda concepted by god and Mary, who certainly weren't married.

So yeah.

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Post by: Drace on September 10, 2006, 12:43:57 PM

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Technically they are, because God had no parents (So they can't have been married) And Jesus was kinda concepted by god and Mary, who certainly weren't married.

So yeah.

Plus, Mary was a virgin...
So erm... HOW did she get pregnant if she was a virgin?

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 10, 2006, 12:51:41 PM

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11 Technically they are, because God had no parents (So they can't have been married) And Jesus was kinda concepted by god and Mary, who certainly weren't married. So yeah.

Plus, Mary was a virgin...
So erm... HOW did she get pregnant if she was a virgin?

If you believe in god, a virgin getting pregnate is hardly anything compared to the other stuff that happened.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 10, 2006, 02:33:12 PM

Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then goddamn't *snaps fingers* she's pregnant!

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Post by: Black Massacre on September 10, 2006, 02:42:22 PM

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Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant!

I totally agree.  :sweet:

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 10, 2006, 02:46:27 PM

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Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant!

The people who say that aren't stupid, they merely don't believe in god, but do believe that a man named Jesus existed. It's a theory that Mary got raped, and didn't tell anyone. It all depends on how much you see as history and how much you see as religious myth.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 10, 2006, 02:46:57 PM

Virgins can get pregnant easily. A crude example would be: Some male idiot masturbates on a dildo. 3 hours later, a girl uses the same dildo to masturbate, and doesn't notice the white stickie **** on the tip. Woooh, pregnant.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 10, 2006, 02:48:45 PM

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Originally posted by drenrin2120 Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant!

The people who say that aren't stupid, they merely don't believe in god, but do believe that a man named Jesus existed. It's a theory that Mary got raped, and didn't tell anyone. It all depends on how much you see as history and how much you see as religious myth.

True, I get what you're saying Moose, and jsut for the record. I wasn't calling anyone stupid. So hopefully no offense was taken.

What I meant to say was, I myself don't know exactly if I believe in god, but if he does exist, I understand that he'd be capable of anything. I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

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Post by: Black Massacre on September 10, 2006, 02:52:10 PM

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I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

That'd be cool, i could bend woman to my will  :heart:  ;).

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 10, 2006, 09:59:09 PM

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Oh god... FYI I'm a DUDE. lol

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 10, 2006, 10:15:19 PM

Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 10, 2006, 10:17:26 PM

Well damn, why didn't some one tell me about this before I opened my mouth?

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 10, 2006, 10:32:32 PM

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Well damn, why didn't some one tell me about this before I opened my mouth?

Because no one else has the common sense to study something before they denounce and mock it XD

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 10, 2006, 11:11:22 PM

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Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

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Post by: Black Massacre on September 10, 2006, 11:45:06 PM

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Actually, it was an Angel.  ::)

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 10, 2006, 11:47:29 PM

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 10, 2006, 11:58:24 PM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different.

Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 11, 2006, 12:12:10 AM

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married. Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different.

Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

Maybe we dont in our society. Back then, it was perfectly acceptable to get married and have sex at 10. Maybe they had sex but Mary just hadn't gotten pregnant. How do you know God wouldn't pick two 'horny teens'? Are you telling me you have the ability to understand and comprehend the thoughts of God?

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 11, 2006, 12:48:38 AM

If Josheph and Mary did it before Josheph found out Mary was pregnate, then god wouldn't have sent the angel to tell Joseph that Mary didn't cheat on her. They didn't exactly have birth control back then. If Mary and Joseph did do something, and then Mary got pregnate, well I think Joseph would be smart enough to realize who
the father was. Just the fact that Joseph thought that Mary cheated on him pretty much puts away the "two horny teenager" theory.

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Post by: Zerlina on September 11, 2006, 01:02:22 AM

Plus the fact that Mary was about 12 at the time and Joseph was much older.

By the way, IHAS, it was never proven whether Mary and Joseph had kids after. That's just one theory.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 11, 2006, 01:20:04 AM

The problem is you guys are taking the word of the translated english bible as fact. Do you know how many inconsistencies there are within the bible not only due to the changing times and its original context, but because of the translation? Due to the fact that every word is not in every language, they often would make it "close enough". If you take every word of the bible as concrete fact, the entire idea of the bible itself would fall apart.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 11, 2006, 03:03:29 AM

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The problem is you guys are taking the word of the translated english bible as fact. Do you know how many inconsistencies there are within the bible not only due to the changing times and its original context, but because of the translation? Due to the fact that every word is not in every language, they often would make it "close enough". If you take every word of the bible as concrete fact, the entire idea of the bible itself would fall apart.

Actually... Most of what I say comes right from the original version of the bible. My preacher always reads the 'untranslated' version of the bible before teaching on any particular passage. So if there is a word in the bible that wasn't translated good (love for example), we always get a lecture on what the words and such actually mean. Like there are 7 differant words for love in the untranslated version of the bible, and whenever 'love' comes up in a passage, our preacher usually defines which type it is and such. So pretty much everything I say here comes from a translated  version, but is backed by the untranslated version.

What you're trying to do is take one small part from some place, one small part from some other place, and try to put the two parts together to make it say what you want. Not taking the bible literally or whatever is fine, but if you want to back something up with the bible, you have to look at the whole bible, and not just the tiny bits and pieces that you want to look at.

A good example is this. Back in the old testiment, it was prophecied that jesus would die on a 'tree'. So if you just looked at the old testiment, you could say 'jesus died on a tree', and not really be wrong. However, if you looked at the whole bible you would realize that the word 'tree' refers to the cross. Likewise, if you look at the bible, whether the original version or some english version, you would realize that Mary was a virgin by our standerds when she gave birth to Jesus.

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Post by: Razor on September 11, 2006, 04:26:06 AM

Arg, this thread is killing me! It's pregnant, not pregnate! At first I thought it was a typo but it just keeps repeating itself!

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 11, 2006, 04:37:53 AM

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Arg, this thread is killing me! It's pregnant, not pregnate! At first I thought it was a typo but it just keeps repeating itself!

Not by meeee-eeeeee

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 11, 2006, 02:32:24 PM

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11 quote: Originally posted by drenrin2120 Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant! The people who say that aren't stupid, they merely don't believe in god, but do believe that a man named Jesus existed. It's a theory that Mary got raped, and didn't tell anyone. It all depends on how much you see as history and how much you see as religious myth.

True, I get what you're saying Moose, and jsut for the record. I wasn't calling anyone stupid. So hopefully no offense was taken.

What I meant to say was, I myself don't know exactly if I believe in god, but if he does exist, I understand that he'd be capable of anything. I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

Hey, no offense taken. I just wanted to make sure both sides of the argument got a hearing. And yeah, if god truly exists and is omnipotent, then he could do whatever.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 11, 2006, 02:34:18 PM

We should put a spell checker or something in the forums...

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Post by: Drace on September 11, 2006, 02:57:09 PM

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We should put a spell checker or something in the forums...

And/or a preview button.

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Post by: Emerates on September 11, 2006, 07:45:56 PM

I doubt that Joseph would be a teen.  Usually, Jewish men were married between the ages of 20 and 25, while they were young and.... erm..... fertile.  Usually, woman were offered as wives to bachelors when they were between 14 and 18, which is about the time when girls' bodies reach sexual maturity.  So, Joseph was probably around 22 and Mary was probably around 16, assuming they were married in the traditional ages people were back then.  However, that's not to say that they couldn't have been older or younger.  Mary could have been about the same age as Joseph.

I don't know, though.  everyone was saying 'horny teens lol', so I thought I'd point out that Joseph probably wasn't a teen at the time and that Mary was probably a bit older than 12 when she got married.  Not to prove or disprove anyone's ideas, just to set some facts on a bit straighter line.

Personally, I believe that some higher entity/intelligence aka God had something to do with Mary's impregnation.  It's just like in Star Wars, how Anakin was born through his mother and the Force.  He had no 'father', but his mother had stilll managed to have a child.  In this case, the Force is God, the unseen forces behind the universe's mechanics.  It's a pretty decent comparison, if I may say so, since they're pretty similar (shame on George Lucas).

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on September 11, 2006, 08:14:36 PM

It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

You either believe in something yourself, or you don't. I personally believe that Mary was a virgin.

The sammich is right about one thing, the bible is taken way too much into context. It's constantly twisted and morphed to fit someone's philosophy. Look at Hitler. He believed the Jews killed Jesus. He convinced his followers that the Jews (and a few other outcasts) were evil.

He forgot to mention the Roman Empire and the Church Officials were losing money, and that technically they killed Jesus. He also forgot to mention that there have been plenty of "messiahs" and "healers" before Jesus Christ, and that most Jews at the time did not want even know who Jesus was. Think about it. If you've seen a buch of fake messiahs come your way, would you believe it's some carpenter on a donkey?

If your really going to go by the bible, you have to look at the original version of it. However, most people don't have that luxury. I don't. I hope to get it someday.

There's my random rant.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 11, 2006, 09:40:28 PM

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It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

Funny how little it takes for me to change a topic's orientation completly.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 11, 2006, 09:58:56 PM

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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

Funny how little it takes for me to change a topic's orientation completly.

It's really more.... sad.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on September 12, 2006, 12:54:14 AM

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Originally posted by drenrin2120 quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married. Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it? Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different. Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

Maybe we dont in our society. Back then, it was perfectly acceptable to get married and have sex at 10. Maybe they had sex but Mary just hadn't gotten pregnant. How do you know God wouldn't pick two 'horny teens'? Are you telling me you have the ability to understand and comprehend the thoughts of God?

I know this was posted a bijillion years ago, but I just wanted to say that no, I don't think I have the 'power' to understand god's thinking and decisions. If I did, I could die right now a happy person. What I'm saying is, you can't honestly believe god would knowingly and purposefully pick 'two horny teens' to raise and give birth to HIS son, the savior of mankind. (if that's what you believe) I mean, it just wouldn't make sense. And I know god works in mysterious ways, but there's nothing 'mysterious' about that, it just wouldn't happen. Like fruing an egg, you're not gonna fry it without putting some kind of butter or oil on the pan first. The egg will stick and burn!


...weird analogy, deal. You all know what I mean... hopefully.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 12, 2006, 01:04:46 AM

You said yourself "God works in mysterious ways". You can't sit there, and ****ing tell me that you can't understand God, and then procede to say what he would and wouldn't do. Its a complete contradiction of itself in a single statement.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 12, 2006, 01:08:53 AM

'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 12, 2006, 01:10:46 AM

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'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 12, 2006, 01:19:59 AM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze 'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

*sigh*, having sex before marraige is a sin, it says such in the bible (and yes, the original version says this as well). We know that marry and joseph weren't married at this time, and thus it was a sin. Maybe if you would have actually studied it at some point you would know this.

Where exactly are you getting all your 'information'?

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 12, 2006, 01:30:28 AM

Dude, you can believe whatever the **** you wanna believe. I'l believe what I want to believe, and what I believe is valid according to the bible. You say that a preacher has broken down the bible and explained this to you, and I have had the same done for me, but not done by a man of the catholic church. When dealing in the bible, interpretation is 99%.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 12, 2006, 01:40:09 AM

It's common sense. His information, again, comes from what hasn't been proven yet, Dragon Blaze.

God could've easily sent his son through a woman that he knew was a hoe to ensure that his son reached the planet rather then a god fearing virgin that probally wouldn't be pregnant. GOD WORKS IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

Social moral makes people think that sex before adulthood is bad. Back then, people didn't live much past adulthood, and would normally marry before age 15.

Secondly, the CHURCH, not the bible, says that sex before mariage is a sin. The only sin that the bible states involving sex is being married to a person and having relations with another person, and/or having relations with a person that is married.

The only laws that God put out are the commandments. Every other law inside the bible was made or interprerated by the church. No where on a commandment did it ever say that sex before being committed is a sin. It only stated that ADULTERY is a sin. If you don't know, adultery is voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

*awaits stupid reply*

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 12, 2006, 02:31:28 AM

Interpretations are neither write nor wrong, they are what a certain indevidual thinks. If you think 99% of the bible is based on interpretations, don't try to argue points about it based on the other 1%. It'd be perfectly fine to say you don't think this is how it was or you don't think that this is what happened. But remember, thats your own thinking, you're presenting your thoughts as facts, as things that are, not as your interpretations. Go ahead, believe what you want, its your right. All I've seen you do thus far is push YOUR interpretion as the RIGHT one.

MIC, there are laws god has given us outside the 10 commandments. Sex with animals for example, if you want, I can dig you up that passage, you won't find it in the 10 commandments. And what about before the 10 commandments? Was there no sin because there was no commandments? If that was the case, god wouldn't have needed to send a savior in the first place.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 12, 2006, 02:43:58 AM

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But remember, thats your own thinking, you're presenting your thoughts as facts, as things that are, not as your interpretations. Go ahead, believe what you want, its your right. All I've seen you do thus far is push YOUR interpretion as the RIGHT one.

Because we all know you've been doing something COMPLETELY different.

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Post by: Drace on September 12, 2006, 04:04:30 AM

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze 'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple. No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

*sigh*, having sex before marraige is a sin, it says such in the bible (and yes, the original version says this as well). We know that marry and joseph weren't married at this time, and thus it was a sin. Maybe if you would have actually studied it at some point you would know this.

Where exactly are you getting all your 'information'?

Did God wrote every letter of the bible? Is his handmark on it? Do you have proof that the bible actually SAYS what God wanted? No. The bible is a guideline, not a way of life. Sins written in the bible were written by men, not God. Perhaps God doesn't mind it at all. Perhaps God enjoys wars and people suffering. YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT GOD THINKS. YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT SINS ARE TO GOD. All you can say is what the church thinks what God thinks, not what he actually think.  :violin:

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Post by: Razor on September 12, 2006, 06:45:42 AM

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Did God wrote every letter of the bible? Is his handmark on it? Do you have proof that the bible actually SAYS what God wanted? No. The bible is a guideline, not a way of life. Sins written in the bible were written by men, not God. Perhaps God doesn't mind it at all. Perhaps God enjoys wars and people suffering. YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT GOD THINKS. YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT SINS ARE TO GOD. All you can say is what the church thinks what God thinks, not what he actually think.  :violin:

Goddamn it I love you sometimes.

There's no proof God himself wrote the bible. There's no proof God isn't a bastard who wants to **** around with us on a grand scale. There's no proof God hasn't gotten bored of us and has left us completely, gone to create another planet somewhere else in the universe, vibrant with life. Hell, there's no solid stone concrete rock hard cement proof that God exists but I won't go into that.

But anyway, noone can prove **** when it comes to God. People should really stop speaking for him. :|

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 12, 2006, 02:53:10 PM

So since the bible was not written by God himself, you guys are just gonna try to contredict every point brought up by "its not proven cuz the bible wasn't written by god and thus nothing of that matter can be proven?" :dry:

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Post by: Drace on September 12, 2006, 03:30:19 PM

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So since the bible was not written by God himself, you guys are just gonna try to contredict every point brought up by "its not proven cuz the bible wasn't written by god and thus nothing of that matter can be proven?" :dry:

Yes, if you keep going on with the "Ugh, it's in the bible..." thing, we are.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 12, 2006, 04:03:02 PM

You guys seem to know alot more about the bible than I do, and there's been something on my mind. Near the beginning, in all the versions I've read, God says let man be in "our" image. Is he talking about himself d'you reckon, as more than one person, or was there (Wooo) Loads of gods? Like a race?

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Post by: Drace on September 12, 2006, 07:51:41 PM

Hmmm... a race of gods... that does approve the Greek and Roman mythology.

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Post by: Razor on September 12, 2006, 08:01:16 PM

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So since the bible was not written by God himself, you guys are just gonna try to contredict every point brought up by "its not proven cuz the bible wasn't written by god and thus nothing of that matter can be proven?" :dry:

Well as Drace pointed out, it's supposed to be guideline, not a way to live.
Besides, some of that doesn't make sense. And I refer specifically to Noah.

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Post by: aboutasoandthis on September 12, 2006, 08:04:34 PM

Who here actually believes the Laws of the Levites are actual sins?

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 12, 2006, 10:17:09 PM

 

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Well as Drace pointed out, it's supposed to be guideline, not a way to live.

Prove it. As it has been pointed out here before, the bible is mainly about interpreatations. I think the bible is more than just a guideline. You can't prove that it was just a guideline just as I cannot prove that it was more than that.

 

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You guys seem to know alot more about the bible than I do, and there's been something on my mind. Near the beginning, in all the versions I've read, God says let man be in "our" image. Is he talking about himself d'you reckon, as more than one person, or was there (Wooo) Loads of gods? Like a race?

"Our" refers to the three parts of god (father, son, and holy spirit). And by image, it doesn't mean that we 'look' like god does, but rather that when we were created, we were (like god) holy and without sin. Interperate that how you want.

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Post by: Razor on September 13, 2006, 04:31:32 AM

I like the idea of innocent until proven guilty, in which my side is innocent. :D

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Post by: Drace on September 13, 2006, 05:12:03 AM

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Well as Drace pointed out, it's supposed to be guideline, not a way to live.

Prove it. As it has been pointed out here before, the bible is mainly about interpreatations. I think the bible is more than just a guideline. You can't prove that it was just a guideline just as I cannot prove that it was more than that.

No, it is not. It is NOT more than a guideline. The bible is a guideline just as the Koran and those of the other religions. They´re a way of life in which you can take example of, not live life like. That would be foolish.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 13, 2006, 05:36:55 PM

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Well as Drace pointed out, it's supposed to be guideline, not a way to live.

Prove it. As it has been pointed out here before, the bible is mainly about interpreatations. I think the bible is more than just a guideline. You can't prove that it was just a guideline just as I cannot prove that it was more than that.

 

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You guys seem to know alot more about the bible than I do, and there's been something on my mind. Near the beginning, in all the versions I've read, God says let man be in "our" image. Is he talking about himself d'you reckon, as more than one person, or was there (Wooo) Loads of gods? Like a race?

"Our" refers to the three parts of god (father, son, and holy spirit). And by image, it doesn't mean that we 'look' like god does, but rather that when we were created, we were (like god) holy and without sin. Interperate that how you want.

You impose to much on hard facts and nothing on interperation.

Again, any laws not made through the commandments are laws purposed and interperated by the church.

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Quote'd from some other site, found it interesting <.<

 

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According to The Bible ... The Bible does not discuss not eating meat.

Not eating meat on Friday's during Lent, and not eating between meals on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday are symbolic measures that were created by the Catholic Church.

Now, why can we not eat meat, but we can eat fish? I have been researching this, and from what I have determined thus far, is that this dates back to when the Catholic Church owned many ports in the Mediterrian Sea, and they got a cut of the money from people eating fish. Therefore, if "you eat any meat besides fish on Fridays (because pre Vatican II, it was on ALL Fridays, not just during Lent) it will be a sin" would raise money for the Church. Now, like I said, I am still researching this part, but the first two paragraphs of this are established fact (well, as well established as anything involving religion is ... there's a reason it's called FAITH)

 

yahooooooooo (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006041323396)

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according to the bible what meat are u alowed to eat on good friday?

Sorry, but I just laughed my *** off when I noticed that that was the title of the topic.

Why did I laugh? Speling erors.

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errors... <.<

I laughed too, <.<;;

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 13, 2006, 10:43:02 PM

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No, it is not. It is NOT more than a guideline. The bible is a guideline just as the Koran and those of the other religions. They´re a way of life in which you can take example of, not live life like. That would be foolish.

Prove it. That is your own personal opinion. Its subjective, you have NOTHING to back that up. If you don't want to believe its nothing besides a guideline, thats fine, but don't bash my religeon because of your own opinon.

 

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You impose to much on hard facts and nothing on interperation.

Again, any laws not made through the commandments are laws purposed and interperated by the church.

Thats true to a point, some law outside of the ten commandments are for the most part clear, and some are a little foggy. I looked at the reasoning behind the interpretations, and I agree with them. Whos to say those interpretations are wrong? I'm not a catholic, and I don't believe in a lot of the rules and such that they have, I don't believe Mary was holy, I don't believe that we have to confess our sins to a preacher, and theres a lot of other things I don't agree with.

Just because a church, who dedicates themselves to study a bible, interprets something written in the bible as a sin, is it automatically not a sin because they interpreted it as such?

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Just because a church, who dedicates themselves to study a bible, interprets something written in the bible as a sin, is it automatically not a sin because they interpreted it as such?

Thankyou for proving my point. People (the church) say/s it's a sin. God has yet to confirm if it's a sin or not. In the moral values of people, it's a sin, but we don't know as far as the moral values of God.

Hence meaning, it doesn't mean that's it's not a sin in God's eyes, but it doesn't need to mean that it is a sin. It's undetermined.

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I can agree with that :)

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Post by: Tomi on September 13, 2006, 11:53:45 PM

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze 'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

I know this was a while ago, but the bible does say "A man shall not lay with another man."  I think it was in Leviticus or something.  My friend found it during our scriptures class.

Also, some other responses (yeah, I've gone to good catholic schools all my life, so I have learned lots of this kind of stuff).

A sin is not determined by the Church.  Sin is doing something wrong even though you know it is wrong.  Also, what is wrong is not determined by the church.  Morality is based on reality, in its purest form, it is not subjective.  When something is death-dealing (in some way) rather than life giving, it is wrong.  Morality is determined by the humanness of the action.  I'm taking a whole class right now on morality, so I might be able to explain better later.

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Originally posted by Drace quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Well as Drace pointed out, it's supposed to be guideline, not a way to live. Prove it. As it has been pointed out here before, the bible is mainly about interpreatations. I think the bible is more than just a guideline. You can't prove that it was just a guideline just as I cannot prove that it was more than that. No, it is not. It is NOT more than a guideline. The bible is a guideline just as the Koran and those of the other religions. They´re a way of life in which you can take example of, not live life like. That would be foolish.

Prove it. That is your own personal opinion. Its subjective, you have NOTHING to back that up. If you don't want to believe its nothing besides a guideline, thats fine, but don't bash my religeon because of your own opinon.

Only one who should prove anything are you. YOU prove that God wants what the bible says. I have to prove nothing. If God comes to speak to a million people at a giant square and it´s caught on several tapes and live tv and he says the bible is more than a guideline, THEN I´m willing to give you your right. But God has not done anything like that. You have no prove whatsoever that the bible is his command, that the bible is his will and that we should follow it till dead. Now, you PROVE that God wants it that way. And don´t say: "The bible says..." cause then you're already out of this discussion.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 14, 2006, 07:46:46 AM

Here's a better example.

"Thou shalt not jump up and down and claim thou art a piggie after sundown"

Tell me the difference between what I've just said and the rules of the bible- both were written by humans. In fact the main difference is that lots of people believe in the bible. As far as I can see, religion is a massive case of going with the grain and believing what everyone else does.

If you guys DO jump up and down and claim you're a piggie after sundown, you'll go to smell after death. IT'S A GIANT TOILET OF SUFFERING

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Post by: WarxePB on September 14, 2006, 11:01:55 AM

There's a problem with your arguments - Drace and MT are saying "Prove that God exists or the Bible was written by Him", but it's impossible to do that. However, it's also not possible to disprove it - therefore, even though you don't have any proof, you still can't rule it out, because you don't know what happened however many years ago. It would be like a scientist saying "Well, after a careful analysis of this soil, I don't see any iron ore, so threfore iron must not exist."

The way I see it, God does exist somewhere, even if it's not here. I think that every possible outcome exists in the universe somewhere, and since one of those outcomes is an omnipotent, omniscient being (but maybe not to our understanding of those words), there is technically a God. Of course, there's no proof of that, but as I said above, there's no proof that there isn't. A crappy justification, I know, but it's the best I can do.

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 14, 2006, 12:01:18 PM

Watch Dogma. There's a sopt where Serendipity discusses why God was always a man, and say that its because the wtriters were men, they interpreted it as they wanted, thus God being a man. The bible itself says that man is imperfect, whats to say the imperfect writers who channeled him imperfectly copied his words?

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Post by: Apex on September 14, 2006, 12:21:26 PM

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Watch Dogma. There's a sopt where Serendipity discusses why God was always a man, and say that its because the wtriters were men, they interpreted it as they wanted, thus God being a man. The bible itself says that man is imperfect, whats to say the imperfect writers who channeled him imperfectly copied his words?

Yeah and Chris Rock is the 13th diciple.

Yeah, it's a good movie.

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Post by: SaiKar on September 14, 2006, 01:03:18 PM

lol at the "God didn't write the Bible" comments in a Bible discussion.

 

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If God comes to speak to a million people at a giant square and it´s caught on several tapes and live tv and he says the bible is more than a guideline, THEN I´m willing to give you your right. But God has not done anything like that.

In the Bible there are a few stories where he does just that. I personally like the one where God sets a bunch of wet logs on fire with a huge towering pillar to prove to a bunch of heretics He exists. I don't have the reference offhand (I was never that good of a Bible student) but I'll find it if you want.

Think about it though. Even of God could appear to us (the Bible makes various references that looking at His face means death, but we'll skip that for now) and was caught by major news networks, you'd have millions, maybe billions of skeptics. Some sort of elaborate hoax, they would say. Government-religio conspiracy to restore the faith. You can fake anything with computers, some would point out, and it's true enough these days. Not actually God, others would claim. Who REALLY knows what God should look like?

So what would that prove? It would prove nothing to people that don't want to see it.

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Post by: Drace on September 14, 2006, 04:28:26 PM

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lol at the "God didn't write the Bible" comments in a Bible discussion.

 

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If God comes to speak to a million people at a giant square and it´s caught on several tapes and live tv and he says the bible is more than a guideline, THEN I´m willing to give you your right. But God has not done anything like that.

In the Bible there are a few stories where he does just that. I personally like the one where God sets a bunch of wet logs on fire with a huge towering pillar to prove to a bunch of heretics He exists. I don't have the reference offhand (I was never that good of a Bible student) but I'll find it if you want.

Think about it though. Even of God could appear to us (the Bible makes various references that looking at His face means death, but we'll skip that for now) and was caught by major news networks, you'd have millions, maybe billions of skeptics. Some sort of elaborate hoax, they would say. Government-religio conspiracy to restore the faith. You can fake anything with computers, some would point out, and it's true enough these days. Not actually God, others would claim. Who REALLY knows what God should look like?

So what would that prove? It would prove nothing to people that don't want to see it.

And here we ago again. "In the Bible...".

Erm... haven't you read anything but that what I said?


To Warxinator: I could respond to you with saying stuff like "God's not scientificly proven so I can disprove that he didn't wrote the bible" and stuff like that, but with writting this, you can scan your brain for similiar things so I have to write less.
Ready?
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Do it.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 14, 2006, 05:54:31 PM

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I can agree with that :)

Thx :D

I can honestly say that I agree with you in the thought that God doesn't want us to have sex untill we are wed, but there being no proof, I had to argue it out.

Now, back to the original cause of this religious decussion; Jesus is a Nazi.

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Thx :D

I can honestly say that I agree with you in the thought that God doesn't want us to have sex untill we are wed, but there being no proof, I had to argue it out.

Now, back to the original cause of this religious decussion; Jesus is a Nazi.

If that's true, does that mean that all the nazis went to Heaven and all of the freedom fighters to Hell?

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No, I think it just means that all Jews are going to Hell.

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No, I think it just means that all Jews are going to Hell.

Just like everyone who isn't a Mormon.

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Post by: Razor on September 14, 2006, 07:30:21 PM

The Jews are God's 'chosen' people. Not that this explains why God let them get killed by Nazis, or why He let His own son get killed by Romans.

God is evil. Perhaps he had the Nazis kill the Jews so the Jews can be with him in Heaven. Perhaps the Nazis are Gods handimen? For all we know, Hitler could be in heaven. Hitler. Yes, that guy with the moustache. In Heaven.

Doesn't that bother people right to the core? And the best part is, noone can disprove it. "OH NO, HITLER IS DEFINATELY GOING TO HELL!"

Says who?

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 14, 2006, 07:49:17 PM

Of all the 'hell' things, I think the Jehova's witness are funniest. Hell, their churches have no windows so people wont get in and take thier spot in heaven during the apocalypse. XD

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Post by: Black Massacre on September 14, 2006, 07:52:56 PM

I believe the Earth was created by woman to toy will men and use them as sex slaves but the men got stronger and over powered the  women. Mmmm, thinks of a game to make where this happens. * goes to MW and edits story*

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Post by: Tomi on September 14, 2006, 11:36:00 PM

Wow, I love being totally ignored.  When it says God visited the people in the Bible, it was a STORY.  People of ancient times we're interested in the FACT, but rather the STORY.  Therefore the bible is full of stories, not fact.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 14, 2006, 11:58:44 PM

Let's go back to my "I h8 u" theory.

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Post by: DragonBlaze on September 15, 2006, 02:16:03 AM

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Wow, I love being totally ignored.  When it says God visited the people in the Bible, it was a STORY.  People of ancient times we're interested in the FACT, but rather the STORY.  Therefore the bible is full of stories, not fact.

So, since it was writen in ancient times, it automatically becomes just a story? What about documents on Alexander the Great or even the Roman Empire, those were writen in ancient times, are they just 'stories' too? You statement has nothing other than your own subjective thoughts to back it up, there is nothing valid in it.

 

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The Jews are God's 'chosen' people. Not that this explains why God let them get killed by Nazis, or why He let His own son get killed by Romans.

Actually, the bible does cover that in detail. There are a lot of references that point out why God did that stuff (without being evil). You can interperate the stuff how you want, but its in there.

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Post by: Razor on September 15, 2006, 04:23:21 AM

Well I doubt they covered the Nazi part, what, having that happen a few hundred years after the bible was written. :p

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Post by: I Have a Sandwich on September 15, 2006, 04:51:06 AM

"The bible says you're a ****tard and should jump off a roof." "Well, if the BIBLE says it".

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"The bible says you're a ****tard and should jump off a roof." "Well, if the BIBLE says it".

Yeah, and if it said anything like that, no one would actually follow it. Maybe a few would, but then they'd die out right away, and then no one would follow it.

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Post by: EXO Muffin on September 16, 2006, 07:31:05 AM

Here's what I believe:

At the start of the world, there was a single force known as Jelly(call it whatever you want). The end of the world caused Jelly to appear. Jelly folded in on itself; causing the universe to implode. At this time there was only Jelly dust. Soon, Jelly dust mutated into different minerals with a(n) Essence. Things, like, rocks, had simple Essences. These soon evolved their Essence into more complicated ones, when they formed plants, and fungi. Soon, they evolved into animals. One animal was the human. The human was too smart for it's own good, as you'll see soon.

One day there was a man named Kurasben. Kurasben was a very wise man. He died, soon enough, and his Essence escaped into a state, known as Fart(afterlife). He was going to get his Essence reincarnated into someone with the same astrological sign as him, as all things do. ...but, Kurasben was too smart, both spiritually, and mentally. He was able to use mind-over-matter to clone his Essence into an immortalized, (non-useable in a vessel) state. We'll call this super-Essence,"God."

Now, God made a clone of himself known as the Judeo-Christian God. This JCgod was really mean, and self-centered. He used his magic to make people believe he created the universe, and because of that, he did. After a while, he made a clone(son) of himself,"Jesus," sent to make people be the slaves in his cult. So, Jesus went, and told those Jews that he was the son of God. But, you see; God made this clone semi-mortal, so they didn't believe him; God presenting himself in a human form. They crucified him. But, you know; he's JESUS. He can bring himself back to life. Let's fast-forward a while into the future. Hitler, the reincarnation of Jesus was born. He killed those Jews for revenge!(Heh, yeah; I'm taking MIC's theory seriously.)Also, people believe in bad afterlives and good because it's just a god that feels like it wants to manipulate souls.

The entirety of the multiverse is made up of the rubber bands that are universes. They all orbit a sphere, that is the Alpha, and the Omega. It eventually gets too big, and breaks all of them. But then, it regathers those rubber band pieces into a new ball; a new Alpha. This soon spawns infinitely more rubber bands around it. Each universe has it's own gods; forces; whatever. Sometimes these rubber bands cross. That is why religions conflict. So many parallel universes means each with it's own rules, the non-ruled are one being. Anything is possible.

Magic; mana. This is drawn from the Alpha-Omega that is the central sphere of all. Power, that is knowledge. Mind over matter, drawn from the Essence of God, that ends the universe with a big shrink, producing the anti-matter. Forming the being of Jelly. Fate is a cycle; plants feed herbivores that feed carnivores (including humans) that die, decompose, and feed the plants. One is all; all is one.

SO SAYETH THE N00B!

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Post by: Razor on September 16, 2006, 12:40:56 PM

See, this is why you don't have friends.

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Post by: EXO Muffin on September 16, 2006, 05:27:31 PM

Yup.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 16, 2006, 05:57:52 PM

You try to hard.

Jesus is a Nazi is a simple idea. That's why it's funny. Yours goes to deep, and requires thinking.

People don't like to think.