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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Osmose on November 09, 2006, 05:25:01 AM

Title: US Congressional Elections
Post by: Osmose on November 09, 2006, 05:25:01 AM
The results of the Congressional elections are fairly complete. The basic rundown is that Democrats have regained a majority in the House and the Senate... sort of.

Democrats have a majority in the House for sure, and Democrat Nancy Pelosi will become the first female Speaker of the House in history.

The Senate, although still said to belong to the Democrats, is a bit closer. Vermont's winner, Bernard Sanders, won running as an independant, and has a history of disagreeing with both Democrats and Republicans. However, he has grown closer to Democrats over the years, including support for abortion and opposition to the death penalty.

Another election that might confuse people is that of Connecticut - Joe Lieberman ran as a third-party candidate and won. This is because he lost the Democratic Primaries. His incumbent advantage and Democratic alignment won him the election.

In fact, both Lieberman and Sanders have said that they will caucus with the Democrats.

With 99% precincts reporting, Webb, the Democrat in Virginia and the last close-vote, is leading by 7000 votes. His opponent, Allen, will surely request a recount (As is his right if the vote difference is less than one percent).

Side Note: I cannot remember if it was Montana or Virginia, but my father told me that one of the two had 3 precincts not reporting - one had to have it's machines opened and counted and had around 200 people. The other two had zero because of zoning errors - one was a "test" zone for testing voting machines, and the other was the land under a river - and since fish are generally Democratic, there's no danger there.

So Democrats have taken control of Congress. But will they be able to push their agenda against President Bush? There's still two more years left of Bush, and if the Democrats fail to initiate a change in governmental policy by the time his tenure is up, they could lose credibility and support for failing even with such a huge anti-Bush sentiment across the country.

My personal thoughts are that this January we will see two things: A flood of legislative reform, and a slowdown in the voting process. Democrats are generally more about cooperation than one-sided domination, and as such will not show the same determination Republicans did in getting bills passed - midnight votes, shutting out Democrats from committee hearings, etc.

I, for one, hope they can pull it off and start some reform.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on November 09, 2006, 05:42:06 AM
I for one am mostly democratic, so I'm pleased with this so far. Now that Bush has someone to "rate" his opinions, things will probally take a turn. This turn might not be "better", but I can't see it being worse.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 09, 2006, 05:58:17 AM
Well, these aren;t just democrats. They're flaming liberals. That means everythin Bush says is wrong, everything they say is right, and our country will become one giant pussy afraid to do anything.

Yes, I'm a republican. Deal with it XD
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Post by: Razor on November 09, 2006, 07:29:44 AM
Can't wait for the Clinton clan to get back in the whitehouse!
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Post by: Prpl_Mage on November 09, 2006, 02:11:24 PM
Gods...  American politics are great, so much more entertaining then the Swedish one.
Mostly the voting system and all but still, entertaining indeed.
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Post by: Cosmos on November 09, 2006, 02:33:25 PM
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Can't wait for the Clinton clan to get back in the whitehouse!


YES!! FUCKIN YES!! I love CLINTON.  :heart: Bill :heart: The only person who can get away with cheating and still be loved! Vote Hillary!!
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Post by: GaryCXJk on November 09, 2006, 02:41:01 PM
Yes, vote Hillary, who wants to ban half of all videogames!!!
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Post by: Cosmos on November 09, 2006, 02:45:02 PM
That's like one thing? Besides, it really has to do with games like Streets of new york, vice city... and since the only real game that I play which has to do with guns is Metal gear, I could care less... now if she was to go after square, it would be a problem.  :happy:
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Post by: SaiKar on November 09, 2006, 02:48:09 PM
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That means everythin Bush says is wrong


But... but... everything Bush says IS wrong...
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Post by: plightofthepureblood on November 09, 2006, 05:14:06 PM
heh.

Im all for change...even if it doesnt DIRECTLY effect me.

But I dont think very much is gonna change. It'll hype everyone into liking US policies again, for a while. But If these dudes get thrown a terrorist attack, or natural desaster, or any obstacle whatsoever, theyre going to be under the magnifying glass. Which is a shame. I hope Im wrong there.
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Post by: Glitch on November 09, 2006, 05:34:48 PM
Oddly enough, I agree with Plight. There won't be that much of a change, they don't have enough of a majority to be able to pass all of their bills. The democrats ran with alot of conservative democrats this year, which could mean that they might lose some votes in certain cases.  

Oddly enough, given my republican status, I actualy think it is a good thing the dems won the house.  I may disagree with alot of their views, but I am very much so aware of the fact that the past few years it's stopped being about what is best for the country, and become just both parties refusing to support whatever the other party said. A little change now and again is never a bad thing.

But I swear to God if Hillary Clinton gets elected I'll personally come to each and every person who votes for her, and kick them in the throat. I can't stand her. I couldn't care less about Bill, but Hillary bugs the crap out of me. Stupid man woman... all she ever does is press "Hot Button Issues", she's a freaking media w h o r e.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on November 09, 2006, 06:15:15 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
That means everythin Bush says is wrong


But... but... everything Bush says IS wrong...
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Post by: Razor on November 09, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
*kicks Almeidaboo* No! Bad Almeidaboo! Quote posting is bad!

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Originally posted by Glitch
But I swear to God if Hillary Clinton gets elected I'll personally come to each and every person who votes for her, and kick them in the throat. I can't stand her. I couldn't care less about Bill, but Hillary bugs the crap out of me. Stupid man woman... all she ever does is press "Hot Button Issues", she's a freaking media w h o r e.


Insert the age old rebuttal of "But she isn't George W Bush!" here.
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Post by: Drace on November 09, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Democrat Nancy Pelosi


I read Democrat Nazi Policy here.
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Post by: Black Massacre on November 09, 2006, 08:55:28 PM
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Vote Hillary!!

Don't listen to her, she's just jealous that we can afford great games and she can only afford metal gear solid.

Bad, Mid.  :badboy:  :badboy:
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Post by: Revolution911 on November 09, 2006, 09:48:13 PM
"Every Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic."





I'm a Democrat. That means I'm a jedi.
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Post by: Cosmos on November 09, 2006, 10:19:23 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
Vote Hillary!!

Don't listen to her, she's just jealous that we can afford great games and she can only afford metal gear solid.

Bad, Mid.  :badboy:  :badboy:


Arf..? lawl, no seriously.. I really think Bill would have some influence over her. <.< A wee bit, actually I want Bill back.  :(
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Post by: Drace on November 09, 2006, 10:51:03 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
Vote Hillary!!

Don't listen to her, she's just jealous that we can afford great games and she can only afford metal gear solid.

Bad, Mid.  :badboy:  :badboy:


Arf..? lawl, no seriously.. I really think Bill would have some influence over her. <.< A wee bit, actually I want Bill back.  :(


Don't worry Mid, I'll love you even if you can only buy Metal Gear Solid games. (Which are the best, btw)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 09, 2006, 11:23:58 PM
If Hillary Clinton wins in 2008, America will be attacked 24/7. Thus, I will move to Canada before that happens... to chill with Warxe and Zerlina. :p

Oh yeah, and on another note. The democrats said that the first thing they're going to do is shut down all offshore oil rigs (because it hurts the ecological system). And whaddya know, gas is back up 25 cents more than it used to be. So anyone who says "LOL gas is so expensive cuz of Bush!" can jump off of a cliff/drink bleach/stab themself/choke on a fork/knife/spoon/spork.
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Post by: Osmose on November 09, 2006, 11:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Oh yeah, and on another note. The democrats said that the first thing they're going to do is shut down all offshore oil rigs (because it hurts the ecological system). And whaddya know, gas is back up 25 cents more than it used to be. So anyone who says "LOL gas is so expensive cuz of Bush!" can jump off of a cliff/drink bleach/stab themself/choke on a fork/knife/spoon/spork.


Too bad the change in Congress doesn't even go into effect until January 3rd, meaning the Democrats haven't even done anything yet.  :heart:

Vote Obama, or I'll shoot your Mama.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 09, 2006, 11:38:11 PM
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Too bad the change in Congress doesn't even go into effect until January 3rd, meaning the Democrats haven't even done anything yet.  :heart:

Ah, ya got me there. ;) To be honest, I knew gas prices would go up after election day anyway. The reason they went down was most likely to benefit the campaigning.

... This means that gas will be up to $4.00 when the change does occur! OH NOES!!! :O
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Post by: MrMister on November 10, 2006, 12:01:23 AM
This election totally effects me and my way of life in every way.

O W8
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 10, 2006, 02:10:12 AM
Bill Clinton never had any power. Hillary has had his balls in a vice for years. Do you actually think she forgave him from the bottom of her heart? HELL-no. She knew it would aid her hopes to run. Shes a cold calculating bitch, thats all.
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Post by: Revolution911 on November 10, 2006, 02:47:15 AM
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This election totally effects me and my way of life in every way.

O W8



ROFL.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 02:59:40 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Well, these aren;t just democrats. They're flaming liberals. That means everythin Bush says is wrong, everything they say is right, and our country will become one giant ***** afraid to do anything.

Yes, I'm a republican. Deal with it XD


Their actually relatively centrist. I however, am a flaming liberal, so I'll just have to make do. I mean really... It's taboo to even say the word socialist around some people in the U.S. Everyone here is just so... mindfucked. Thats why the Vermont guy is registered as "Independent." As a country, we still have an undercurrent of McCarthyism that makes me absolutely sick.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 10, 2006, 03:07:57 AM
Heh, I will agree with you on the whole 'mindfucking'. "We the sheeple in one nation under God". The problem is, no one can hold their own opinion at all. How many people with an opinion on anything can tell you reasons supporting their belief with facts and such outside of the what the spewing *** known as media gives them? We're told what to think, and we do.

I am an odd one. Whilst I share many beliefs with the opinions of republicans, I am also a supporter or socialism and communism, as well as aspects of social anarchy. Republican is just easier to say in a topic like this. But I'm sure as hell not a democrat.
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Post by: MrMister on November 10, 2006, 03:13:48 AM
Hillary is a super king kamehameha biatch.
If she's the president, it will make video games sad.
GTA rules bitch, FYAD.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 03:15:56 AM
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Heh, I will agree with you on the whole 'mindfucking'. "We the sheeple in one nation under God". The problem is, no one can hold their own opinion at all. How many people with an opinion on anything can tell you reasons supporting their belief with facts and such outside of the what the spewing *** known as media gives them? We're told what to think, and we do.

I am an odd one. Whilst I share many beliefs with the opinions of republicans, I am also a supporter or socialism and communism, as well as aspects of social anarchy. Republican is just easier to say in a topic like this. But I'm sure as hell not a democrat.


I totally agree with your position on the media.

Social anarchy is the ideal state. I wish. It's not so much that I'm glad the dems are in power, its just that the republicans aren't. I'm not a fan, to say the least. We agree more than it first seemed, heh.

It's wrong, I think, to pigeonhole yourself into one party, I just like to stay away from republicanism.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 10, 2006, 03:26:29 AM
Indeed. I suppose its just who we decide to affiliate with. My main reason for claiming to be a republican I suppose is their record of getting stuff done, even if it is a bit brash. Democrats tend to stop, think, think, cry, think, complain, pin the blame, and wait to long to do anything worthwhile.
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Post by: Weregnome on November 10, 2006, 03:34:06 AM
Do you know what I find really creepy? How intelligent alot of the younger Charas Forum users are on political issues etc.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 04:10:18 AM
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Indeed. I suppose its just who we decide to affiliate with. My main reason for claiming to be a republican I suppose is their record of getting stuff done, even if it is a bit brash. Democrats tend to stop, think, think, cry, think, complain, pin the blame, and wait to long to do anything worthwhile.


It's just the stuff the republicans have gotten done that I really can't support. I'm for the people, not the businesses. And the Democrats have gotten nothing done because they've been the minority for 12 years. Minorities always get bitchy.


I'm waiting for the impending minimum wage increase, some kind of decision on Iraq, and other goodies. I hope.
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Post by: plightofthepureblood on November 10, 2006, 04:10:50 AM
In the spirit of Canadian Apathy....
Im posting this here too.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 10, 2006, 04:12:39 AM
Dude, awesome.
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Post by: Anubis_Soldier on November 10, 2006, 04:49:39 AM
Well, nothing will get done for the next two years in america, Bush will probably veto most bills from congress and congress will not cooperate with bush on anything... at all ever.

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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 05:31:22 AM
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Well, nothing will get done for the next two years in america, Bush will probably veto most bills from congress and congress will not cooperate with bush on anything... at all ever.



Better than a congress that he owns and does whatever he wants. That's not checks and balances, especially since the supreme court is that way too.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on November 10, 2006, 05:40:10 AM
For checks and balances to work, there has to be a middle ground where people can work together. When you have a system where Bush will always cancel the house, and the house will cancel Bush, nothing gets done. The system put in place in 1776 was a system that could work. What it's evolved to is far different.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 06:37:21 AM
poitical parties ruin government, and make working together to get anything productive done very hard.
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Post by: Rowan on November 10, 2006, 06:38:59 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
For checks and balances to work, there has to be a middle ground where people can work together. When you have a system where Bush will always cancel the house, and the house will cancel Bush, nothing gets done. The system put in place in 1776 was a system that could work. What it's evolved to is far different.


I heard that congress can override a presidents veto in special cases.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 07:24:45 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
For checks and balances to work, there has to be a middle ground where people can work together. When you have a system where Bush will always cancel the house, and the house will cancel Bush, nothing gets done. The system put in place in 1776 was a system that could work. What it's evolved to is far different.


I heard that congress can override a presidents veto in special cases.


if it is passed a second time with a 3/4 majority.
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Post by: Osmose on November 10, 2006, 11:42:14 AM
2/3rds majority, I thought, for overriding a veto. Which the Democrats can't muster with a simple majority.

However, thinking that the President will just veto all democratic Bills is very ignorant. The President knows that the Democrats own Congress and will not pass the bills he wants. At the same time, Democrats know that he can and will veto their bills.

This is where the base concept of compromise comes into play. Bush and the Republicans will let the Democrats pass some of their policy if, in return, the Democrats let the Republicans pass some of their policy. Or, in other cases, the Democrats will agree to a few alterations in one of their proposals in order to get the President to let it fly.

Quite frankly, having Congress and the President as the same party is a very dangerous thing, whether Democrat or Republican. It just so happens that the general attitude and methods of Republicans can take advantage of that far more than Democrats would. During the last six years, Republicans in Congress have basically shut out all Democrats from being able to have an effect on policy. Heavy-handed tactics, including withholding the location of a policy meeting from Democrats, midnight votes where Republicans take advantage of tired Democrats/wavering-Republicans and force them to vote their way, extended votes where Republicans go around Congress and offer services to get the vote, etc.

Admittedly, some of those examples may be on the extreme side, but the fact remainse that Republicans are pretty brutal in power. At the same time, though, Democrats in full power isn't right either. They wouldn't go quite as far as Republicans would, due to their leaning with compromise, but there would be no middle-ground of policy. I'm glad that things are this way now, because it forces the kind of compromise that America needs.
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Post by: Cosmos on November 10, 2006, 12:11:56 PM
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Do you know what I find really creepy? How intelligent alot of the younger Charas Forum users are on political issues etc.


Agree'd. XD
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Post by: Glitch on November 10, 2006, 01:28:44 PM
It is 2/3 majority.  It's really hard to overide a veto, it usually just ends up being kicked back to congress and going into conference comittees and crap like that, and gets revised and sent back to the pres.  

Oh, Charaman, I might have misunderstood your post, but the Supreme Court isn't completely on Bush's side. He has 4 out of the 9 members definately on his side. 4 of the members are usually against him, and one member tends to go either way. That exact balance is coming into play very soon when they look at parial birth abortion, which is a very sick issue.


You guys wanna know something interesting about the senate?
Did you know that a very large amount of senators, both republican and democrat, are alcoholics? There are tons of more secretive AA groups in Washington. It's considered one of the most stressful jobs in America, so that's understandable (not right, but understandable). I'm telling you, if you take courses that address stuff like this in College, it will blow your mind how little we really know about the Government. Every thing we see as simple, is so freaking complex to an almost unneccessary point.
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Post by: Tomi on November 10, 2006, 03:55:25 PM
ZKX, you are not alone.  *republican'd* I am fearing for my life if Hillary ever gets elected.  I think that the Democratic majority is going to screw over a lot of things.  I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I definitely disagree with most of the flaming liberal ideas.  Most of the time, I notice that liberals seem to think ideally instead of logically.  For example, the war in Iraq.  Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences.  They say that our soldiers are dying for no reason.  However, if we do a full pull out right away, all the work that our soldiers have done and all the times people have died would all be in vain.  We went in there, and we need to finish the job by helping the Iraqis build up their defenses so no one needs to step in at a later point.  Pulling out now would be a disgrace to our country, and would make any hope for a democratic Iraq a splode.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 05:39:09 PM
Yeah, sorry 2/3's. My bad.


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ZKX, you are not alone.  *republican'd* I am fearing for my life if Hillary ever gets elected.  I think that the Democratic majority is going to screw over a lot of things.  I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I definitely disagree with most of the flaming liberal ideas.  Most of the time, I notice that liberals seem to think ideally instead of logically.  For example, the war in Iraq.  Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences.  They say that our soldiers are dying for no reason.  However, if we do a full pull out right away, all the work that our soldiers have done and all the times people have died would all be in vain.  We went in there, and we need to finish the job by helping the Iraqis build up their defenses so no one needs to step in at a later point.  Pulling out now would be a disgrace to our country, and would make any hope for a democratic Iraq a splode.


I haven't heard anyone REASONABLE call for immediate withdrawal. There's a few groups thinking of an exit strategy, but no effectual groups calling for withdrawal immediately. There's the crazy irrational representative here and there, but no one reasonable is.

Actually, a republican vote on the issue was shot down 403-3:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/18/D8DVAQ6O3.html


Oh and Glitch, yeah. It's just a lot of times that they agree with him I don't, and I'm a bitter little bitch.
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Post by: Glitch on November 10, 2006, 06:43:16 PM
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Oh and Glitch, yeah. It's just a lot of times that they agree with him I don't, and I'm a bitter little bitch.


XD

on a different note...

It would have to suck to be in the house, people tend to not care about the house, all the attention goes to the senate.

as illustrated here...

http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060328.html

oh, and no there isn't an immediate withdrawl plan on the table yet. However, most democrats, and apparently from what NYtimes said, Bush himself have decided to start implementing a new withdrawl plan. It's one of the big things the Democrats want to get accomplished starting next year, they want to try and start the process up. Bush has decided that starting next year he wants to start a new bi-partisan era, where he works with the democrats towards good compromises.

That's what the NYtimes said anyway.   Whatever you believe, you gotta give Bush a little credit for extending some sort of olive branch. In fact, he even took responsibility for the Republicans losing the election and some of the problems facing the country. Never too late.
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Post by: charaman on November 10, 2006, 06:47:22 PM
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oh, and no there isn't an immediate withdrawl plan on the table yet. However, most democrats, and apparently from what NYtimes said, Bush himself have decided to start implementing a new withdrawl plan. It's one of the big things the Democrats want to get accomplished starting next year, they want to try and start the process up. Bush has decided that starting next year he wants to start a new bi-partisan era, where he works with the democrats towards good compromises.

That's what the NYtimes said anyway.   Whatever you believe, you gotta give Bush a little credit for extending some sort of olive branch. In fact, he even took responsibility for the Republicans losing the election and some of the problems facing the country. Never too late.


It really does restore my faith in democracy, to see that. With Rummy as a fall guy, we can start to move on.
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Post by: Osmose on November 10, 2006, 11:54:03 PM
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ZKX, you are not alone.  *republican'd* I am fearing for my life if Hillary ever gets elected.  I think that the Democratic majority is going to screw over a lot of things.  I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I definitely disagree with most of the flaming liberal ideas.  Most of the time, I notice that liberals seem to think ideally instead of logically.  For example, the war in Iraq.  Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences.  They say that our soldiers are dying for no reason.  However, if we do a full pull out right away, all the work that our soldiers have done and all the times people have died would all be in vain.  We went in there, and we need to finish the job by helping the Iraqis build up their defenses so no one needs to step in at a later point.  Pulling out now would be a disgrace to our country, and would make any hope for a democratic Iraq a splode.


You've got to understand that the flaming liberals that you talk about are the extremists saying, "I don't agree with everything Democrats support, but I disagree with nearly everything those oppressive, ignorant Republicans do." You only hurt the credibility of your opinion by making that kind of generalization.

Democrats certainly oppose the war in Iraq, but we aren't as stupid to think that we can just withdraw. Rather, most Democrats either have an idea of or want to negotiate an exit strategy that leaves Iraq in as stable of a state as we can leave it in. Certainly there is high risk of civil war, but by this point we're making little, if any, progress. Not to mention the loss of American lives would hardly be for nothing - Saddam Hussein has been brought out of power and before a jury. There is a new Iraqi government. We could leave a few groups of soldiers in a few training centers to aid in the training of Iraqi security forces and help get the country on it's feet in terms of security. But right now I, and most Democrats, believe that staying in Iraq is hurting us as well as them.

There's much more to work out than simply that, but that's what we're trying to do - COMRPOMISE. However, Democrats cannot compromise with people who won't open their eyes to the concept of it - it may be too long ago for you to remember, but there used to be a time when the constant competition between the parties was what kept the nation in balance, rather than the domination of a single party.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on November 10, 2006, 11:55:28 PM
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ZKX, you are not alone.  *republican'd* I am fearing for my life if Hillary ever gets elected.  I think that the Democratic majority is going to screw over a lot of things.  I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I definitely disagree with most of the flaming liberal ideas.  Most of the time, I notice that liberals seem to think ideally instead of logically.  For example, the war in Iraq.  Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences.  They say that our soldiers are dying for no reason.  However, if we do a full pull out right away, all the work that our soldiers have done and all the times people have died would all be in vain.  We went in there, and we need to finish the job by helping the Iraqis build up their defenses so no one needs to step in at a later point.  Pulling out now would be a disgrace to our country, and would make any hope for a democratic Iraq a splode.

For some reason, I read this with the thought of it being total sexual inuendo. "Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences." "if we do do a full pull out right away, all the work.. have done.. would all be in vain." "We went in there, and we need to finish the job" "Pulling out now would be a disgrace"
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Post by: plightofthepureblood on November 11, 2006, 12:07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Tomi
ZKX, you are not alone.  *republican'd* I am fearing for my life if Hillary ever gets elected.  I think that the Democratic majority is going to screw over a lot of things.  I don't agree with everything Bush does, but I definitely disagree with most of the flaming liberal ideas.  Most of the time, I notice that liberals seem to think ideally instead of logically.  For example, the war in Iraq.  Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences.  They say that our soldiers are dying for no reason.  However, if we do a full pull out right away, all the work that our soldiers have done and all the times people have died would all be in vain.  We went in there, and we need to finish the job by helping the Iraqis build up their defenses so no one needs to step in at a later point.  Pulling out now would be a disgrace to our country, and would make any hope for a democratic Iraq a splode.

For some reason, I read this with the thought of it being total sexual inuendo. "Libs want to pull out immediately, regardless of any consequences." "if we do do a full pull out right away, all the work.. have done.. would all be in vain." "We went in there, and we need to finish the job" "Pulling out now would be a disgrace"



HA HA HA HA HAHA LMAO.
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Post by: Tomi on November 12, 2006, 08:44:45 PM
Wow Ace... just wow..XD