Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Grandy on November 18, 2006, 11:43:53 PM
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Not too long ago, there was this project at my school to travel to Orionopolis, which is this place where they take care of people either mentally or physically ill that were abandoned by their families.
The mentally ill people were, in moajority, really nice, though I couldn't undertand most of what they were saying, and there was this 56-or so years old guy who drawed with crayons.
Let me say one thing: ONE THING you can't find someone who draw picture with crayons better than he did. It was PERFECT. He also could play keyboear, which he showed to us, and he didn't look mentally ill at all, aside from a little speech impediment (think something like "I'll play theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee keyboard") He was a really nice guy, on top of that.
But that's not the sad part.
There was this kid over there, called Patrick.
Apparently his mother used drugs when pregnant, so he was born with two problems.
He's blind, and deaf.
See what I mean? I saw the boy over there, he spend all his time doing nothing, and all he can do is to feel things and taste things. He didn't move a inch from when we got there, just after someone touched his arm, he moved suddenly, and then stoped moving again.
It wasn't a pretty sight, and I doubt I'll forget it so soon.
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To sum it up: Drugs are bad.
This turned from something really touching to an anti-drug advertisement.
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I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
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Mental Illness comes from things aside from drugs too dude. And they treat all of those Illnesses with DRUGs that are NOT TESTED VERY WELL.
I had a psychaitrist....And after my fifth year of being diagnosed with paranoid Schizophrenia, he took me off the pills, and very discreetly told me not to quit smoking pot. Not a word of a lie. His exact words were "If its not hurting, and its allowing you to sleep, and behave functionally without medication, and aleiviating the anxiety stress, its helping"
Genetics are a key factor. Genitic succepability is offen a main factor. The drugs often act as a catalyst. Most people who choose to do street drugs are not going to have blind and deaf babies, and they arent going to go insane. But they will activate a latent genetics.
Not to mention offset the delicate chemical balances. Dormant sets of dominoes in your neurons.
A low seratonin count is a miserable thing. And Im not ever, going to get into the details of the experience here....
But yeah, I had to spend about 3 years off and on in a 'hospital', and honestly, some of the most talented people ive ever met were in that place.
About 40% of the people i met there, were there as a result of Crystal Meth, or Cocaine.
Alot of psych doctors refer to meth as "the schizophrenia inducer"
Meth is the worst, in my eyes. Id like that crap scoured of the face of the earth.
Medicinal Marijauna is not by any means reccomended for most psych patients. Quite the opposite. But everybody has slightly different chemistry to them...And for me, the pills DID NOT work.
Im quite thankfull I have marijuana to smoke.
And Im not gonna lie....I smoke it for enjoyment, before I smoke it for a medication. BUt the great thing is, if I use for enjoyment, I dont have to think of it like a medicine.
A doobie a day, Keeps the Crazies away.
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Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
Also, the last sentence, I just put it there 'cause I felt the post was too blank. I'll remove it, then.
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Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?[/B]
I'd do it.
Of course, he'd have to somehow request it first.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?[/B]
I'd do it.
Of course, he'd have to somehow request it first.[/B]
He can't communicate, in any way.
Though he looked scared when someone touched him, I belive it's a signal he doesn't wants to die.
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plight, I smoke weed, but don't be a little tard about it.
Smoking narcotics while pregnant fux your offspring.
So, Meiscool: Drugs are bad. For pregnant women.
Grandy, your theory doesn't make much sense.. people can not be afraid of death, but afraid of other stuff. Also, the kid was probably just confused. You can't really trust the body language of a kid who's never seen other people's body language in his life.
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Originally posted by MrMister
plight, I smoke weed, but don't be a little tard about it.
Smoking narcotics while pregnant fux your offspring.
So, Meiscool: Drugs are bad. For pregnant women.
Grandy, your theory doesn't make much sense.. people can not be afraid of death, but afraid of other stuff. Also, the kid was probably just confused. You can't really trust the body language of a kid who's never seen other people's body language in his life.
Well, why'd someone be scared of something if not death? I don't think people have found a way to comunicate with him so he understand there is other things aside from death to fear, and I'm almost sure he doesn't know death exists, he must react with fear to when people touch him because of his instincts, most likely his instinct of survival.
But you could be right about the body language, though I think his reaction was indeed of fear.
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Blind and deaf?
Why didn't they go Helen Keller on him and teach him?
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Originally posted by MrMister
plight, I smoke weed, but don't be a little tard about it.
Smoking narcotics while pregnant fux your offspring.
So, Meiscool: Drugs are bad. For pregnant women.
Grandy, your theory doesn't make much sense.. people can not be afraid of death, but afraid of other stuff. Also, the kid was probably just confused. You can't really trust the body language of a kid who's never seen other people's body language in his life.
MrMister... your horse wears stilts.
go **** yourself.
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Originally posted by Osmose
Blind and deaf?
Why didn't they go Helen Keller on him and teach him?
Money, time, and his family probally isn't rich like them there Kellers.
BTW, Plight, telling MrMister to **** himself is like telling Bush to do something stupid. You know he's already doing it.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by Osmose
Blind and deaf?
Why didn't they go Helen Keller on him and teach him?
Money, time, and his family probally isn't rich like them there Kellers.
BTW, Plight, telling MrMister to **** himself is like telling Bush to do something stupid. You know he's already doing it.[/B]
Hehhehheheh.
I l'd right out loud.
Yeah. Money has alot to do with it.
Im not sure where this all went down, but if the healthcare is privatized, chances are the poor kid dosent have much of a chance, unless some fruity philanthropist sees him and makes it his moral investment du'jour.
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I also read somewhere that doing drugs and **** can mutate your sperm. Thats odd.
But yeh, I've met some mentally ill folk. Often times though, they seem fine, but the problem is sometimes something you won't see in just one visit.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?[/B]
I'd do it.
Of course, he'd have to somehow request it first.[/B]
I found this comment funnie, does that make me a bad person?
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Originally posted by Midnight
Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?[/B]
I'd do it.
Of course, he'd have to somehow request it first.[/B]
I found this comment funnie, does that make me a bad person?[/B]
Well... I suppose it could be found humourous because I said I'd do it well-knowing that the kid couldn't give me the request himself unless he knew sign language, and by the time he knew how to request it of me, his life would have a bit of purpose...
Yeah, let's just say you're a horrible person.
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Midnight.....
Im so disgusted. OMG.
I dont know if Ill ever lookat you the same way again.
Nah...I chuckled at the Irony of it too.
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LOL, see! I'm not the only one! I can't help that I find the darker side of life amusing. >:
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XD
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Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
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Yes, I would. Letting someone live who can't do anything, can't enjoy live is just too harsh. It'd see it as salvation, not murder.
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Originally posted by Drace
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
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Yes, I would. Letting someone live who can't do anything, can't enjoy live is just too harsh. It'd see it as salvation, not murder.[/B]
And that, Drace, is why I don't trust you with a gun XD
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Originally posted by Grandy
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Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
No I wouldn't because, they can still feel and taste, therefore they can still enjoy life, just not the same way that we do. I've known a lot of nice deaf and blind people.
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Originally posted by distressed_gamemaker
Originally posted by Grandy
quote:
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
No I wouldn't because, they can still feel and taste, therefore they can still enjoy life, just not the same way that we do. I've known a lot of nice deaf and blind people.[/B]
But how about deaf-blind people? Deaf people usually rely on their sight, and blind people on their hearing. Touch can't do much compared to sight and sound.
But still, I wouldn't kill him. If he was born like that, what would he know otherwise? This is life, dark, quite, and there's lots of feeling.
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Originally posted by distressed_gamemaker
Originally posted by Grandy
quote:
Originally posted by Drace
I say, let someone who's blind and deaf pass away. It's no life.
Would YOU kill him?
No I wouldn't because, they can still feel and taste, therefore they can still enjoy life, just not the same way that we do. I've known a lot of nice deaf and blind people.[/B]
What makes me highly doubt that?
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You can tap morse code on someone's hand, they'll still have no idea what it means without hearing or seeing it. You can't teach people by smell. This is why Hellen Keller is a myth.
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Yeah, it does seem a little odd that someone could be taught that way, but not impossible. Say you felt some water, and then they tapped the morse for water on your hand, you might eventually associate water with the morse. The learner would have to be incredibly bright though.
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I saw a movie once about a girl who was blind/deaf. Some lady taught her stuff, and now she speaks like a retard. She was a beast tho, since her parents spoiled her.
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You can even make people associate water with the morse code, but it'd be impossible to teach how to comunicate with the "outside world". First of all, the kid wouldn't be able to know there is someone to comunicate to.
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Actually yes they can. Smell. When you lack one sense, the other ones become stronger.
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Originally posted by Midnight
I saw a movie once about a girl who was blind/deaf. Some lady taught her stuff, and now she speaks like a retard. She was a beast tho, since her parents spoiled her.
Yeah.... Helen Keller.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Actually yes they can. Smell. When you lack one sense, the other ones become stronger.
So, he can smell you and he knows you're there.
How can you teach him with that?
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Teach him the smell of death.
If he likes it, kill him.
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They teach themselves that. Touch, smell. Also, as advance as we are with the science stuff I'm sure there is something to help people like that.
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Originally posted by Grandy
You can even make people associate water with the morse code, but it'd be impossible to teach how to comunicate with the "outside world". First of all, the kid wouldn't be able to know there is someone to comunicate to.
Question: Would you wanna live like that?
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Originally posted by Drace
Originally posted by Grandy
You can even make people associate water with the morse code, but it'd be impossible to teach how to comunicate with the "outside world". First of all, the kid wouldn't be able to know there is someone to comunicate to.
Question: Would you wanna live like that?[/B]
Better than don't live.
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That's exactly the way I feel about it Grandy.
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Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Drace
Originally posted by Grandy
You can even make people associate water with the morse code, but it'd be impossible to teach how to comunicate with the "outside world". First of all, the kid wouldn't be able to know there is someone to comunicate to.
Question: Would you wanna live like that?[/B]
Better than don't live.[/B]
You wouldn't know that.
Let's say Drace were to come to your house right now and stab out your eyes and blow your ears. After a couple a weeks, let's see how happy you are with life.
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That isn't the same. One lives and thinks differently when they're born without normal things.
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Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
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Of course, this blind deaf person has not experienced life as we know it. He probably does not know people can see or hear.
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My bad, XD. They could be like Ray and Beethoven tho. Beethoven was deaf and he created music we love today, Ray was blind and he made some good songs.
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Yeah, but they weren't at the same time.
Personally, I'd rather be dead than deaf and blind. I can live with one, preferably blind cause I love music, but both is just wrong.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
That's you contradcting yourself, you can't say death is better than living like that unless you know how it is to be dead.
And I doubt you do.
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By the same token, you can't say that living with the ailments is better than death, either.
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Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Meiscool
Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
That's you contradcting yourself, you can't say death is better than living like that unless you know how it is to be dead.
And I doubt you do.[/B]
Are we gonna get the same thing again as when you said time doesn't exist?
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Originally posted by Drace
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Meiscool
Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
That's you contradcting yourself, you can't say death is better than living like that unless you know how it is to be dead.
And I doubt you do.[/B]
Are we gonna get the same thing again as when you said time doesn't exist?[/B]
I proved it doesn't. So THERE.
XD
By the same token, you can't say that living with the ailments is better than death, either.
I know. That's my point, you can't be sure, and it's not worth risking.
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Originally posted by Midnight
My bad, XD. They could be like Ray and Beethoven tho. Beethoven was deaf and he created music we love today, Ray was blind and he made some good songs.
Helen Adams Keller was both Blind and deaf, and she... Wrote... Some stuff!... Of course, she didn't go blind and deaf until after 19 months of age, but that's still pretty damned early.
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Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Meiscool
Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
That's you contradcting yourself, you can't say death is better than living like that unless you know how it is to be dead.
And I doubt you do.[/B]
No, in my personal opinion, I would rather be dead then maimed without sight or hearing for the rest of my life. There is no contradiction involved in my statements of OPINION.
To sum it up: Bullet to head > Knife to eyes and ears
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by Grandy
Originally posted by Meiscool
Thankyou for saying that. I expected Grandy to write that, and contradict himself of his previous statement, but you jumped forward first.
Grandy, you wouldn't know if it's better to live in darkness then to live at all if you were born disabled like that. However, if you did, death might be a welcoming choice. It's really not a question that can be answered.
That's you contradcting yourself, you can't say death is better than living like that unless you know how it is to be dead.
And I doubt you do.[/B]
No, in my personal opinion, I would rather be dead then maimed without sight or hearing for the rest of my life. There is no contradiction involved in my statements of OPINION.
To sum it up: Bullet to head > Knife to eyes and ears[/B]
Emphasis in "the rest of my life" not "since I was born"
You'd be like that rich guy who lost all his money suddenly, and them decides to suicide, while poorer people who were born poor do all they can to live another day.
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Well... then were did I contradict myself? I never said "I wouldn't want to be born that way." I just said I wouldn't want to live like that, meaning I wouldn't want to be turned that way from my current state.
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A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
No, we had some stupid arguement about how if time's flow can be changed via going fast, then the current defination of time is wrong.
Naturally, I won the arguement with: "It can't be proven." Funny though, their main arguement was: "You can't disprove it."
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Originally posted by Bluhman
Originally posted by Midnight
My bad, XD. They could be like Ray and Beethoven tho. Beethoven was deaf and he created music we love today, Ray was blind and he made some good songs.
Helen Adams Keller was both Blind and deaf, and she... Wrote... Some stuff!... Of course, she didn't go blind and deaf until after 19 months of age, but that's still pretty damned early.[/B]
She had gotten surgery and fixed that stuff. But didn't she still have problems with her eyes?
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Originally posted by Midnight
My bad, XD. They could be like Ray and Beethoven tho. Beethoven was deaf and he created music we love today, Ray was blind and he made some good songs.
But Beethoven could feel the musical vibrations, and Ray Charles, well he could actually hear XD
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
No, we had some stupid arguement about how if time's flow can be changed via going fast, then the current defination of time is wrong.
Naturally, I won the arguement with: "It can't be proven." Funny though, their main arguement was: "You can't disprove it."[/B]
That is the main argument of theoretical science - "If it works in concept and you can't disprove it, it should be considered." And they are right - if you can't tell me something is absolutely wrong, why should I not believe it if I think it's right?
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
No, we had some stupid arguement about how if time's flow can be changed via going fast, then the current defination of time is wrong.
Naturally, I won the arguement with: "It can't be proven." Funny though, their main arguement was: "You can't disprove it."[/B]
Dude....Eintein.....Relativity....
Hawking......
It exists...just everybody thinks its something its not.
But alas....this belongs in another thread
They have figured out how to teleport photons through non linear time.
It exists. But not the way most people think it does.
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Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
I agree one gillion percent. Time is measurement. Also, the forth dimension.
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Tachyons baby. Tachyons.
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Originally posted by Osmose
Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
A bit off:
Saying 'Time dosent exist' is like saying "Centimetres dont exist"
Its a unit of measurment.
No, we had some stupid arguement about how if time's flow can be changed via going fast, then the current defination of time is wrong.
Naturally, I won the arguement with: "It can't be proven." Funny though, their main arguement was: "You can't disprove it."[/B]
That is the main argument of theoretical science - "If it works in concept and you can't disprove it, it should be considered." And they are right - if you can't tell me something is absolutely wrong, why should I not believe it if I think it's right?[/B]
"There's no God, but instead, a flying mushroom created all life. This works in concept, and you can't disprove it."
Do you believe that, because according to your quote, you do.
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Three things: 1: How does that work in concept?
2: Where are your sources? I'm not going to trust you alone with this Flying Mushroom theory. Show me some links!
3: It's still his CHOICE whether not to believe it. He's just saying, if there's no proof to the contrary, why shouldn't he be able to think that?
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Yes MIC, that's just as valid as the other god theories.
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..The hell just happened to this thread?
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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Yes MIC, that's just as valid as the other god theories.
Win.