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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: DarkFlood2 on December 14, 2006, 12:20:02 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs
Bet you're not to happy with that, PS3 owners?
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... That was stupid.. There really isn't that much difference. Ya'll need to stop hating on game systems for real.. they're just toys, nothing more. Gawd..
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STFU. Seriously, I'm tired of your next-gen bullshit.
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$599.99!
Wow, PS3 sucks.
Hahahahah, read the comments. Fanboys are comedy.
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*beats the crap outta razor* As if that was the only high priced game system... :dry:
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It isn't his fault that a $600 console has worse graphics on PS2 games than the PS2 has.
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Originally posted by Midnight
*beats the crap outta razor* As if that was the only high priced game system... :dry:
Yeah well it's $1000 for the big one here, $850 for the lesser good one.
Compared to the XBox which is like, $600 or less, and the Wii which is $400.
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Please quit talking about the god damn prices.
We have heard it all before, that's not going to change what we buy/bought.
Darkflood2, I want to kill you for this.
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Console Wars are ****ing bogus. Shut up and die.
DarkFlood: Put this in the YouTube video you fudge packing **** eater.
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Ew that's a lot razor.. over here it's only around 600 to 400... xbox was around the same wasn't it..? Someone correct me plz.
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Mid, http://en.wikipedia.org . Idioth.
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Look, I know it has backwards-compatability issues, the starting lineup was lackluster (but what system's isn't these days?), and Sony's been making progressively worse business moves, but despite all the shortcomings, disappointments, and general jack-assery, the PS3 is indeed a grand system. I never liked Sony a terrible amount, but I've always loved games, so I will get a PS3 once the price drops. It hass all of three games I'm looking forward to playing, but by the time it's affordable, I'm sure it'll have plenty of good titles. But not before I get an XBox 360, a PS2, and a Dreamcast.
That last one could spell disaster for me getting a PS3 before the year 2020... But in the mean-time, stop hating on it, DarkFlood.
EDIT: Mid, the XBox 360 was $300-$400, as far as I can remember...
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On closer inspection, DF2 didn't go all "HAHAHA PS3 LOVERS EAT ****"
It was more of a "well, that must suck for guys"
Where was the hatin'?
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Originally posted by MrMister
Mid, http://en.wikipedia.org . Idioth.
plz die.. DIE!!!
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Seriousley, I post something to poiunt out a flaw, and you guys go crazy with your fanboy(/girl)ism. I'm done with the fanboy thing. From since the launch, I've been looking at both systems and thinking which is better. In reality, I always have with a bit of a bias toward Nintendo. (And this is coming from a recovering PS2 fanboy here).
The only reason I didn't post it in the youtube topic, is because this can have a *real* discussion - Not just a few posts until the next video, or no posts at all.
Not to mention that the PS3 has both the PS1 AND PS2 processor and graphics in there, and it somehow managed to come out worse.
PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU FLAME IGNORANTLY!
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Dude, calm down. Nobody's flaming (yet...), just pointing out that not that many people care. As for my "hating" response, that's because whenever the PS3 comes up in a conversation, you never mention its pros, only its cons. You've just been too convinced that Sony's not as good as you once thought. Mebe next time I convert you to something, I'll try to remind you of all the good things that remain after the fandom.
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I know that the PS3 has unparalleled power and can do many things that other systems can't.. But we don't need that kind of strength this gen. Look at the Xbox360 and the Wii, they look pretty good and both use regular DVDs. The Xbox360 actually has better graphical potential then the PS3, and the Wii is just a bit stronger then the Xbox, and you've seen how good it looks.
Also, Sony has had a *VERY* arrogant stance against the other two consoles. For example, they called Xbox360 "Xbox 1.5" and they claimed that the Wii doesn't have backwards compatibility. (Even though the Wii has masterfully complete backwards compatibility)
The thing is, we don't need blu-ray ot the cell processor, we don't need to have a frankenconsole that can do anything, we don't need all of that extra eye-candy. Sure it is sweet, but is that all there is to it?
That is why I usually seem to have an anti-Sony stance.. It just isn't worthwhile to have such power when it can't even be used to it's fullest potential yet.
If you want me to delve further in this topic and fully explain to you each and every fallacy that Sony has made, then by all means, I will do so. But this is where I stand, and I won't tolerate how you people seem to be so very ignorant of the world around you.
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Seriousley, I post something to poiunt out a flaw, and you guys go crazy with your fanboy(/girl)ism.
:D
Do me a favor, and watch where you're going with the ignorant comments.
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Originally posted by Archem2
...the PS3 is indeed a grand system. I never liked Sony a terrible amount, but I've always loved games, so I will get a PS3 once the price drops...
Honestly, if a guy that's generally on the same side of the argument as you is disagreeing with you, you must be doing something wrong. I suggest letting it go, this isn't really a battle that you can win. Especially since you're misinterpreting what's been said. Hence the bolding.
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I didn't flame ignorantly, I flamed because you brought up a stupid topic. First off, you are (or at least were) a fanboy to Nintendo, thus leading me to believe that this was made to show a superiority complex. Secondly, console wars are, or should be, over. Third, there was already something on here about backwards compatibility, and that is thankfully long over.
Before you protest against your clear bias, who is it that made the "Sony's bad move of the month" thread? Who was it that made a huge contrabution to the PS3 prices on ebay thread? Who is it that was behind, or in, every DS VS PSP debate?
People that make video games seem like real life need to get a life. You make such a big deal about a toy.
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Nintendo > Your mother. That's about as much as I'll say ever.
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This is why it's a lot easier to just admit being biased and judgmental.
Until the PS3 drops in price it's not worth it. $600 is too much for something that just plays games. And yes, I will keep mentioning the price, because the price IS STILL FREAKING RIDICULOUS. Sure, besides that it has a lot going for it, but the price isn't going away, so the PS3 isn't going to stop sucking just because you choose to selectively peal away its flaws from the argument until it's a perfect little box of a console.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Seriousley, I post something to poiunt out a flaw, and you guys go crazy with your fanboy(/girl)ism.
:D
Do me a favor, and watch where you're going with the ignorant comments.[/B]
You're NOT a girl?
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PS3 isn't going to drop in price. You have to get it now before Sony goes out of business.
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There will always be eBay XD I'm going to try getting a NEC TurboGrafx system on it ^_^ XD
Next gen can wait for me. I'm a collector of the old, not the new. Anyways, there is still alot I intend to play that isn't new. Then again I did get Devil Summoner... thats contradictive... >_<
Ok, I collect, period.
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I for one didn't notice too much of a difference, especially in the animated parts (FFX intro), though I didn't watch much past there. However, that could be due to my never wearing my glasses.
Also, backwards compatibility issues have popped up before. For example, the DS doesn't play anything GameBoywise older than GBA games, and those can't even be played as multiplayer games.
Enjoy the fact that you can actually play the older games on it. Besides, most people buying PS3s will have PS2s (unofficial guess, so sue me >_> ).
And no, I have no bias towards any company. My Sega Genesis, Gamecube, and PS2 sit comfortably beside each other, and none are trying to kill eachother. Yes, I know Sega =/= Microsoft.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Seriousley, I post something to poiunt out a flaw, and you guys go crazy with your fanboy(/girl)ism.
:D
Do me a favor, and watch where you're going with the ignorant comments.[/B]
I wasn't directing it toward you, I was directing it toward the general populace. :p
Sure I've made some.. mistakes in the past, but then again, I have seen enough Sony BS and such to know when they're clearly going to fail. There may be some miraculous catchup like with the Gamecube, but you have to remember, would you be willing to buy an Expensive console directed to 'hardcore gamers' (PS3), a moderately priced console meant for 'casual gamers' (Xbox360), or an inexpensive console with games for everyone (Wii)?
You may not agree with me, but It seems quite clear that this forum is somewhat biased towards Sony...
Osmose has the right idea.
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But you know RotD, that if they did fight, your Genesis would win simply due to its pure Sega-ness?
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Midnight
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Seriousley, I post something to poiunt out a flaw, and you guys go crazy with your fanboy(/girl)ism.
:D
Do me a favor, and watch where you're going with the ignorant comments.[/B]
You're NOT a girl?[/B]
-.-;;... I was pointing out the fact that he INCLUDED me in his statement.. you fluffy kitten you.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
But you know RotD, that if they did fight, your Genesis would win simply due to its pure Sega-ness?
I dunno, even Sonic's siding with the big N nowadays...
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But that is mainly due to the fact that 4kids does all of the dubbing for the Sonic games.
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Ugh.. that show is horrible..
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Sega wins, period.
Anyways, I usually don't care that much for the console's specifications in particular, I look at what games are available. I mean, what's the use of awesome graphics if there's not games I want to play that use them, you know? Because of this, I'll most likely get a Wii if anything (The Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, and Fire Emblem - The Goddess of Dawn).
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Is it true that the PS3's price will drop a bit in Japan but not in the US? They say Konomi, and Squenix are pushing for it.
I get this stuff from Game Informer. They give you a free 13 (12 plus a desparate extra) month subscription if you buy something.
Still, the PS3's price is ridiculous. I don't need a blue-ray player. I don't need a motion sensor opener, and I don't need a new computer. Just give me Final Fantasy, Project Ico Stuff, and my sports games.
I'm even starting to look at 360 for Mistwalker's stuff.
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I though the case was that they can't drop the price IF they want to make a profit.
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From what I hear, they're already losing money on each PS3 sold, so I doubt a price drop will come anytime soon. If it's true, people waiting for the price drop will be waiting a long time, or perhaps will never get it. Who knows.
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Sony loses about $270 per console.
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I like Megaten, though... honestly I like those Smackdown VS Raw games too. It's hilarious having Bobobo as a wrestler equipt with outragiously huge afro. XD I got to find that code to make it even bigger XD.
I plan to get 2007 as well. I wonder how many more options are available?
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Sony loses about $270 per console.
Who cares? The point is: America Gains.
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I don't even bloody trust that video. It looks like it's made by a fanboy and the graphics pulled down by the creator.
On another note, if you wanna play PS2 games, WHY DON"T YOU JUST BLOODY BUY A PS2?!
Also, Osmose, the PS3 does more than just play video games. It's become an entertainment system.
Darkflood2 is now marked as a noob.
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Omg, of course the price is gonna go down. Like come on, be real. For EVERY system the price drops down eventually. They know most of us can't afford this price range, so what are they gonna do? Keep it high as hell and keep losing money? Hell no, it's gonna go down. Not now since it just came out. But eventually it will go down to a reasonable price. Oymei..
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Originally posted by Midnight
Omg, of course the price is gonna go down. Like come on, be real. For EVERY system the price drops down eventually. They know most of us can't afford this price range, so what are they gonna do? Keep it high as hell and keep losing money? Hell no, it's gonna go down. Not now since it just came out. But eventually it will go down to a reasonable price. Oymei..
But when you're already losing $300 apiece, are you really gonna make it so that you're losing $500? The price will drop, but only after they stop producing them and are selling surplus systems.
Drace, if you have the theory of "if you wanna play PS2 games, WHY DON"T YOU JUST BLOODY BUY A PS2?!" why don't you have the same stance of "if you want an entertainment system, BUY A BLOODY ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM!"? PS3 isn't an entertainment system, it's a video game. It was made primarily for video games, it will be used primarily for video games.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Originally posted by Midnight
Omg, of course the price is gonna go down. Like come on, be real. For EVERY system the price drops down eventually. They know most of us can't afford this price range, so what are they gonna do? Keep it high as hell and keep losing money? Hell no, it's gonna go down. Not now since it just came out. But eventually it will go down to a reasonable price. Oymei..
But when you're already losing $300 apiece, are you really gonna make it so that you're losing $500? The price will drop, but only after they stop producing them and are selling surplus systems.
Drace, if you have the theory of "if you wanna play PS2 games, WHY DON"T YOU JUST BLOODY BUY A PS2?!" why don't you have the same stance of "if you want an entertainment system, BUY A BLOODY ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM!"? PS3 isn't an entertainment system, it's a video game. It was made primarily for video games, it will be used primarily for video games.[/B]
Dude, it IS an entertainment system, just like the 360.
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If "Playing Movies" qualifies as "Entertainment System", then sure. But with the PS3, the only thing it has over the other consoles is that it can play Blu-ray, and I'm highly doubtful Blu-Ray will catch on any time soon.
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Originally posted by Osmose
If "Playing Movies" qualifies as "Entertainment System", then sure. But with the PS3, the only thing it has over the other consoles is that it can play Blu-ray, and I'm highly doubtful Blu-Ray will catch on any time soon.
I'm not sure about that. I'm seeing more and more Blu-ray stuff in the stores here lately.
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Blu-ray is gonna be iffy I think. It may kick off, or it could die. It really depends. I think that Sony won't go bankrupt. I do agree, it'll drop once game sales increase, however, this could be awhile. Hopefully the profit that they make from games will help Sony. You know what? That video, if true, is a good thing. At least then no one can say it ain't back compatible :D
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The problem with blu-ray is that is is far too expensive to buy a player and the movie itself, not to mention a TV capable of displaying the improved quality, to be viable for a while. People are going so far as to buy a PS3 instead of a Blu-Ray player because it is cheaper, not because they want games.
For storage purposes, blu-ray is great, but the price behind it is just too big to hold it up. The reason you're seeing more and more blu-ray stuff is because a bunch of big-name companies got together, standardized blu-ray, and then set a date for them to release their players at once. That date has passed, and wahbam.
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About the emulation problem, a good ammount don't even notice the difference. It is true that the colours are duller or darker, but that's with nearly every virtual console. Also, this "bug" seems to be TV-specific aswell.
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It's funny you say that because I have down my own experiment. I have tested most of my games on my PS3. The games that I have that work like they do on PS2 are as follows: Burnout Revenge, Justice League Heroes, God of War, the Prince of Persia series, the Grand Theft Auto series, Resident Evil Code Veronica, Resident Evil . All these games work fine.
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They should have just thrown out backwards compatibility all together, most people who are getting PS3's already have a PS2. That and they probably could have trimmed $100 bucks off the final price.
Yeah, Solid Gamecube Compatibility rocks.
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Everyone, shutup and buy tetris.
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I knew this would happen.
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Originally posted by Revolution911
Everyone, shutup and buy tetris.
tetris is unrealistic
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Originally posted by MrMister
Originally posted by Revolution911
Everyone, shutup and buy tetris.
tetris is unrealistic[/B]
I'd rather have a game of Tetris than a hamburger.
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I'd rather play a game of hamburger than eat a tetris.
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hey archie, buy me some hamburgers
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1080p TV screens work best for Blu-Ray.
EDIT: BTW, my PS2 games look normal on PS3. So that guy can go suck off.
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Originally posted by Osmose
The reason you're seeing more and more blu-ray stuff is because a bunch of big-name companies got together, standardized blu-ray, and then set a date for them to release their players at once.
Odd, the only company I see doing it is Sony.
Sony Films releases Blu-ray discs, and I think they are about the only one.
One company is going to have a hard time trying to get people to ditch DVD players. I mean, look how long it took for people to switch from VHS to DVD, there are still people who haven't. I honestly think it was waaay to early to introduce blu-ray, and blatantly, suicidal.
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In my opinion, Blu-Ray will be known as our generations Betamax.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
In my opinion, Blu-Ray will be known as our generations Betamax.
I am betamax generation.. I so old..
And that's not your opinion by the way, you nicked it off a million other jackasses.
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Originally posted by MrMister
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
In my opinion, Blu-Ray will be known as our generations Betamax.
I am betamax generation.. I so old..
And that's not your opinion by the way, you nicked it off a million other jackasses.[/B]
Well, I didn't say it was my original opinion did I?
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When you use the word 'my', you don't need to.
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Originally posted by MrMister
When you use the word 'my', you don't need to.
Yeah... But "In an opinion I have that was nicked it off a million other jackasses..." just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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What i don't understand is why some people are willing to waste $500-$600 on a game system. Why do some people throw out their old systems when the new ones come out? Idk if i have the only stupid freind, but my freind went and bought a PS2 and then took a baseball bat to his PS1. And what's wrong with the systems we have today? I say that instead of bitching about backwards compatibility, just rent a dam system from your local video store and test it for yourself. Some *** on youtube could also be using this as propaganda for nintendo cause he just might be one of those other fanboys trying to make fun of all the sony crap.
My opinion: Stick to the old games that you like to actually play, and quit worring about the graphics. I mean i pawned my gamecube and xbox and ps2 cause of the game drought, and i couldn't get them back. So instead i went and got an orginal gameboy and about four games for it and i was damn happy to just play that. If you want to worry about backwards capability, then don't buy the damn system. Plus, I kinda think that if the price on the ps3 does drop, you'll see the game prices increase.
BTW, Does the Wii have backwards capability? A freind of mine told me they do and i've never know if he was right or not.
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Yes, they play GC games.
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The Wii also has a service where you can download old SNES, NES, and N64 games and play them on your Wii, but you have to buy them at a reasonable price. Well, okay, the price is only reasonable if you don't know how to run an emulator, but still.
I like to get new consoles because the games on them are better. I did enjoy old school consoles and still do, but I shudder when I hear people say, "All these new consoles suck, the oldschool ones did it right, they made games based on gameplay and not graphics, blah blah blah..." The technology is better, and in turn the games are better.
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I see what you mean, but since the ps2 came out,(in my opinion) there haven't really been any good rpg's for it. I can name alot for the ps1.
FF7
FF8
FF9
FF anthologies (FF5 i think, + Chrono Trigger)
FF tactics
Grandia
Crono Cross
Legend of Dragoon
And with the ps2, the only real good rpg that i can think of that i've played would be FFX. What i think they did was stop worring about a good story line in the games nowadays and all they care about is graphics. Don't get me wrong though, there are a few diamonds in the rough out there as well. But yeah, i'm not so sure about Sony going bankrupt, because the PS2 and the PS3 are not all they sell anymore. Nowadays people by dvd players, Hdtvs, Stero equipment, all that good **** from them.
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Orginally Posted by Darrellito
I see what you mean, but since the ps2 came out,(in my opinion) there haven't really been any good rpg's for it. I can name alot for the ps1.
FF7
FF8
FF9
FF anthologies (FF5 i think, + Chrono Trigger)
FF tactics
Grandia
Crono Cross
Legend of Dragoon
Vagrant Story
And with the ps2, the only real good rpg that i can think of that i've played would be FFX.
Final Fantasy XII, a great Vagrant Story Wannabe
What i think they did was stop worring about a good story line in the games nowadays and all they care about is graphics. Don't get me wrong though, there are a few diamonds in the rough out there as well. But yeah, i'm not so sure about Sony going bankrupt, because the PS2 and the PS3 are not all they sell anymore. Nowadays people by dvd players, Hdtvs, Stero equipment, all that good **** from them.
:p
I see your point. Many of the games out for the PS3 don't seem to be that great, so unless they appeal to you, you shouldn't waste your money.
One thing to everybody, how does raising your prices make you more money? That seems kind of stupid. If the prices are too high, who would be stupid enough to buy them? Are you talking about this buisness stuff I've learned where you raise your prices when things are in high demand? That just seems really stupid.
Shouldn't sony be making money off of the games sold and the royalties they get off of the games liscenced for their systems?
The only company that seems to work buisness-wise looks like Nintendo. A cheap game system, great games at reasonable prices, maybe online, and N64 games if you can't rom them.
Look at the DS. It didn't look as great as the PSP, but now it's selling better. It's nice and cheap too. If Sony really wants a mass market, why not just sell things cheap?
This post turned out kind of long.
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Yeah, i prolly would have put Vagrant Story in there, but i haven't played it. Another good one was The Legend Of Mana. Anyone know where i can get a copy of that for a good price?
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Dark Cloud 2 is an amazing PS2 RPG. Also, the PS2 Suikodens are amazing. You need to go rent some games or something, because PS2 has pretty much dominated the RPG market.
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The reason the PS3 is so expensive is because the hardware in it is so expensive - Blu-ray is a huge hit on that. Even at $600 Sony is still making losses - it costs Sony more money to make the console than they sell it for.
That's why their price is so big.
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I really find it funny when you start to talk to someone who likes the PS3, then they say that Sony is taking losses almost like its some type of positive effect.
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Yeah, It's like "OMG they make a profit from their console?! BURN THEM!"
But I have very little faith in Sony... Especially since they have nearly lost all of their exclusives. (and there are rumors of a 360 version of MGS4)
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Who really cares about the price? Its not like the price will be that high forever. If you're one of those hardcore gamers that buy a new system as soon as it comes out, then price usually isn't too much of an issue.
And my brother has a ps3, its awsome, totally worth the price. My brothers roomates bought a 50 inch 1080p high defenition tv and spent $150 on special high quality cables JUST for the ps3 cuz its that awesome.
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DragonBlaze, as I addressed earlier, the PS3 price will NEVER drop, because Sony will go out of business first.
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Theres no way sony will go out of buisness, they make more than gaming system. They're pretty much the top in a lot of electronics. They have really popular tvs, dvd players, computers, and a ton of stuff. A gaming system won't make them go out of buisness.
Whenever they release a shipment of the ps3s, they're sold out right away, so even if they do lose some money with the ps3, its not that much. Take a look at sony's stocks, they've gone up $3 in the past week. A company like sony is too stable to go out of buisness with something like this. I don't know where you came up with your idea, but its pretty far fetched.
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They haven't focused on that stuff in ages. They are almost entirely their game division.
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They DO focus on other stuff. The sony vio or whatever their labtop is called is very popular. All their stuff is pretty much top of the line, and people are buying it. Yeah, maybe right now sony is focusing on their game system, but all their other stuff is still being sold and making a lot of money. Sony is doing very well right now. They're not going to go out of buisness.
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Theres a difference in making a product and being focused on a product. Sony has the Vaio and whatnot, but they are spending more money and more time in developing their games division. They're trying to pioneer the PS, they're just adding bells and whistles to everything else.
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There's a Vaio TV out now that's supposed to be "the next big thing". Sony ain't going out of business, because they're now so large they can come up with new interesting things easily. They make so much money from sales of new technology that it outweighs the losses they make on the PS3 easily.
Most technology-lovers (Lawl.) buy stuff just because it's new and made by a reputable company. I mean, Sony could release a DVD Rewinder (It spins! It whirrs! It does absolutely nothing, but you spend £249.99 on it anyway!), and it'd still get lapped up and called "this year's essential gadget".
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Well as long as they keep making money in their other devisions, they'll be able to cover any losses that they make with the ps3, and thats what their doing. They may be losing money with the ps3, but overall they're still making money. Thus they're not going to go out of buisness.
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Yeah, but I don't like Sony. Too bloody expensive. Magnavox tv, Panasonic VCR and an Acer PC.
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Vaio sucks anyway.
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Wow, you guys really hate Sony. :p
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It's true though, however unsuccessful the PS3 may be, Sony will still have all their other crap to fall back on. It's like all those people who think if the Wii dies, it takes Nintendo with it, whereas Nintendo still have their billions and all the success from their DS/L sales.
It prints money!
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Well, Sony certainly won't be able to fall back on their laptop batteries!
I only hate sony because of their arrogant (and sometimes outright stupid) marketing, And the fact that they are forcing the Blu-Ray player onto people. If HD-DVD wins the format war, well, then the PS3 becomes just an overpriced console.
HOWEVER, I will get a PS3 as a cheap Blu-Ray player if Blu-Ray does win the format war, and even then it will be many years after the victor is declared.
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Originally posted by MrMister
They haven't focused on that stuff in ages. They are almost entirely their game division.
Seriously, the Viao was released about a year and a half ago, and I haven't seen signs of a follow up.
The fact that they are so desperately pushing the PSP STILL, shows some fallacy in there fundings. They wouldn't be concerned and still be trying to sell them if they had enough money to completely ignore there oblivious failure.
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Just because they have enough money that it doesn't affect them doesn't mean they're going to just sit back and let it fall. They're a business and they want money.
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I only hate sony because of their arrogant (and sometimes outright stupid) marketing
Somehow I can't stop thinking of Microsoft...
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"It's Cheese you can listen to!"
The only thing cheese, is a good description for that ad.
Horrible marketing, next to none third part support (Konami and Capcom occasional spew out a game for it.) and ridiculously low battery life. If you don't recognize that the PSP is a failure, then you need to sit down and have a reality check, a very, very, VERY painful one, preferably to the face.
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Strange, because, as far as I know, I never heard, neither from the gaming press nor the gamers, that the PSP ever failed.
You fanboys fail at life.
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
Strange, because, as far as I know, I never heard, neither from the gaming press nor the gamers, that the PSP ever failed.
You fanboys fail at life.
Yar. You phail.
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The irony of Drace agreeing with that is that he is a fanboy too.
Anyway, you can't deny there's been some cocaine snorting in the Sony Marketing offices.
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I only hate sony because of their arrogant (and sometimes outright stupid) marketing
Somehow I can't stop thinking of Microsoft...[/B]
I cannot remember a single ad by Microsoft that was particularly stupid or arrogant (or existent, for that matter - when was the last time they even needed to advertise?). Mac, on the other hand, does a lovely job with their Mac ads with the old guy and the young kid. Seriously, those ads are ridiculous.
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Most of Sony's exclusives have already jumped to third party, and even Squeenix, Sony's last lifeline, is already starting to move toward the DS, Wii, and even the 360. And if Sony loses the Final Fantasy series, then they are pretty much screwed.
As for the PSP, We have already seen statistics that the DS has triumphed over it.. Actually more like the DS outrigh slaughtered the PSP.
And, as most of you probably don't know, most people who buy the PSP barely use it, or use it for modding purposes. Even my brother, a reformed Sony fanboy, barely uses his PSP to play games.
Now, the PSP does have some interesting features, but it was too far ahead of its time, the marketing was poor for it, and the games were suck-tastic. You don't have to look far to see that the PSP was indeed a flop. Nintendo has had their problems too, but at least they have attempted to fix them. Even the Wiimote strap 'breaking' issue they have offered to replace the straps with thicker ones. (even though the people breaking them were overdoing it, or doing a simple con act)
Also, we can't simply ignore the fact that Sony stole ideas from both Nintendo and Microsoft during the production of the PS3. The Sixaxis controller is an obvious theft of the idea of the Wiimote (Sony won't even acknowledge that the rumble issues were really because they lost a royalties lawsuit with the inventor of the controller rumble pack) And while they were necessary at this point, the fact that Sony has taken Microsoft's ideas of a HD for the console and an online gaming service cannot be ignored.
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by Osmose
Originally posted by GaryCXJk
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I only hate sony because of their arrogant (and sometimes outright stupid) marketing
Somehow I can't stop thinking of Microsoft...[/B]
I cannot remember a single ad by Microsoft that was particularly stupid or arrogant (or existent, for that matter - when was the last time they even needed to advertise?). Mac, on the other hand, does a lovely job with their Mac ads with the old guy and the young kid. Seriously, those ads are ridiculous.[/B]
I love em, and you know what they say is true. As far as graphics and ease of use, Macs are superior for the average citizen. Compatabilty with third-partys is the biggest flaw.
I think what he means by arrogant and Micrsoft isn't the ads but it's marketing and business operations.
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Post
In before painful series of angry fanboy rebuttals.
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Originally posted by Razor
The irony of Drace agreeing with that is that he is a fanboy too.
Anyway, you can't deny there's been some cocaine snorting in the Sony Marketing offices.
How can I be a fanboy?
I gotz:
Nes
N64
Playstation 2
XBox 360
And used to have
Snes
Gameboys
Sega Master System (or genesis, can't remember)
Playstation 1
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Originally posted by Drace
Originally posted by Razor
The irony of Drace agreeing with that is that he is a fanboy too.
Anyway, you can't deny there's been some cocaine snorting in the Sony Marketing offices.
How can I be a fanboy?
I gotz:
Nes
N64
Playstation 2
XBox 360
And used to have
Snes
Gameboys
Sega Master System (or genesis, can't remember)
Playstation 1[/B]
Systems doesn't mean anything. I have a PS1, a Dreamcast, a Genesis and every Nintendo cept Wii, but I'm a Sega fanboy.
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Sony isnt going out of buisness. Thats stupid. Before the PS, they were making serious money off of their other electronics. Whether you flock of fanboys like it or not, they're not going out of buisness. They'll probably just go to work on their other electronics like they used to.
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Also, we can't simply ignore the fact that Sony stole ideas from both Nintendo and Microsoft during the production of the PS3. The Sixaxis controller is an obvious theft of the idea of the Wiimote
Microsoft and Logitech were playing around with motion sensing well before either Nintendo or Sony even thought of doing it.
Not to mention that saying that Sony stole from Nintendo is an idiotic thing to do anyway - a console should be judged by the quality of its games, not the uniqueness of its controller.
Your fanboy logic FAILS.
I love em, and you know what they say is true. As far as graphics and ease of use, Macs are superior for the average citizen. Compatabilty with third-partys is the biggest flaw.
Macs are not superior to the average citizen. I have never met anyone who had more or less trouble with a Mac than they did with a PC. Lack of third-party compatibility, as you said, is a flaw, but because of the nature of it it makes Macs even harder to use for the average citizen - they have to go out and find specific versions of software and specific pieces of hardware for their specific Mac.
I have seen Photoshop on both a Mac and on a PC, and there is no difference beyond how a default window looks - Mac's UI is shiny, and that's about it. There's no new tools, no filters that aren't able to be done on the PC version - The only way Mac could be better for graphics is if their processors could render movie-quality 3d faster than a normal PC. And at that point - you probably have the money to buy a better PC anyway.
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Wow DarkFlood, you're so horribly, terrifyingly wrong.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
As for the PSP, We have already seen statistics that the DS has triumphed over it.. Actually more like the DS outrigh slaughtered the PSP.
"Slaughtered" is an overstatement. And the reasons that the DS had more sales than the PSP are mostly (At least over here) are due to unscrupulousness on Nintendo's part. For example, over here in Britain, pretty much the first batch of DS's which was shipped in was snapped up by the public straight away, and then they were all returned because the screens didn't work. Nintendo, always the voice of reason, decided that for promotional purposes they'd add these second figures to the original sales. Bingo, twice as many DS's are taken, but only half of those had actually been "sold".
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
And, as most of you probably don't know, most people who buy the PSP barely use it, or use it for modding purposes. Even my brother, a reformed Sony fanboy, barely uses his PSP to play games.
Wow, which part of your arse did you pull this from?
Most people spend the £200 on a new handheld gaming system to play games on it, surprisingly. I don't know how it is in Retardsville, but that's how it is over here.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Now, the PSP does have some interesting features, but it was too far ahead of its time, the marketing was poor for it, and the games were suck-tastic.
Nintendo's games are a cult. We have Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. Now, the PSP games are at least doing something new and interesting (Even if some of those new interesting things are slightly crappy). Nintendo spend most of their time spinning out another Mario/Zelda/Metroid game, and marketing saying it's "new and exciting", etc. Pfft, stitch that.
Also, wtf with the dual screen? I mean, sure, it works for a short amount of time, until people get bored of the novelty. Not exactly versatile either, is it? I mean, in an FPS, who survives longest? The PSP owner who can see his arena in widescreen and react quickly, and has the controls to do it? Or the DS owner, huddled over his screen which is too dark to see anything and is the size of a postage stamp, frustratedly swearing at his touch-screen while trying to jab the badly-rendered enemies on the screen with his pointy bit of plastic?
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Also, we can't simply ignore the fact that Sony stole ideas from both Nintendo and Microsoft during the production of the PS3. The Sixaxis controller is an obvious theft of the idea of the Wiimote.
The Sixaxis controller was originally going to be implemented with the PS2, which had been put into production before Nintendo had even started designing the Wii. It wasn't used with the PS2, however, because back then even though the Sixaxis would have worked fine, games systems simply didn't have the processing power to implement that sort of system into games properly. So it would have been put in, and no games would use it, so Sony would have ended up flopping. Nintendo are just hopping on the bandwagon and doing a bit of motion sensing. Just for the hell of it.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Your version of the truth fails. It r not even truthful. I r in its bedroom, reading its diary and making little key-scratches on all its Boyzone CDs. Lawl nub.
Wow, I pwn.
PSP fanboy. xD
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Well, your logic is just as equally flawed. The PSP has had FAR fewer sales than the DS or the DS lite alone.
1: I bring you to my first point, the nintendo DS sales
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Current_system_sales_figures_2
http://ds.ign.com/articles/750/750195p1.html
As we can see through basic math, the DS has sold 5.9 million more thatn the psp in Japan this year alone. We can also see that the DS has sole 24.2 million more games than the PSP has. While that may be indirectly caused by the DS selling more, It certainly shows that the DS has indeed 'slaughtered' the PSP from any standpoint, whether it be economic or satisfaction.
I would also like to see where your information on this 'broken screen issue' are you sure it isn't some type of fraud as seen with the Wii-mote strap issue?
2: Now on to the second point, People using homebrew and hacking over the regular games of the PSP.
I will delve quite deep into this as I believe that most people are ignorant of this simple fact, or rather have not conducted any research into the matter.
You don't have to search far to see that there is an entire community of homebrewers and hackers that all use the PSP to achieve these purposes. The fact of the matter is, most PSP games are not very good. You can take a look at virtually any game rating magazine (such as gameinformer) to see that the DS has one good game for every two mediocre PSP games. The numbers don't lie.
Sony PSP sales are estimated to be about 9 million worldwide. Now I must remind you that finding legitimate information on these topics is extremely difficult, But I remember the figures to be about 1-3 games per PSP owner. That is not much for anything and I know people at my school who use the PSP as if it was an iPod. If it wasn't for the lack of credible information on the web, I would have a better method of demonstrating my argument.
3: A PSP has far less capability for aiming with an FPS then the DS, I should know as I have played FPS games on both systems. Calling a new controll style a 'gimmik' and saying that the novelty will wear out is akin to being in the mid 90's and calling the control stick a gimmik (which Sony stole from Nintendo) Also, the DS screen is roughly .7 times the size of a PSP screen. And I believe that is far too large to be a postage stamp.
As for the lighting, the DS sports a stronger backlight than the PSP. Once again, I know this because of my brother's PSP. And you can't really compare graphics for the DS and PSP either. One was created for games and their innovative touch control, while the other was created as a 'media center'. Sony seems to have the idea that more power = better games. But that has been seen to bite them in the ***.
I want to see a source for your sixaxis controller being thought of for the PS2. Honestly, I think you're just making stuff up to try and disprove me. If you remember from E3 before the Wii-mote was released, Sony had the standard Playstation controller, but after Nintendo released the Wii-mote, Sony jumped on the bandwagon and displayed the Sixaxis controller.
And at least I am TRYING to be unbiased in this conversation, which you seem to be unable to do. Let me also remind you that until last year, I was a hardcore Sony fanboy, regarding the Gamecube as 'kiddie' and the DS as a 'failure'. I have seen both sides of the spectrum and I know where I stand.
So, back up your statements or I will judge what you say as complete and utter crap. Or maybe it is because you don't want to believe that your precious PSP is falliable and isn't as great as everyone has said, hm?
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Originally posted by Dragonium
Nintendo spend most of their time spinning out another Mario/Zelda/Metroid game
ERROR ERROR
Originally posted by Dragonium
Also, wtf with the dual screen? I mean, sure, it works for a short amount of time, until people get bored of the novelty. Not exactly versatile either, is it?
I find the Dual Screen is quite good. Maybe that's just an opinion thing.
Originally posted by Dragonium
Or the DS owner, huddled over his screen which is too dark to see anything and is the size of a postage stamp, frustratedly swearing at his touch-screen while trying to jab the badly-rendered enemies on the screen with his pointy bit of plastic?
A) DSLite, heard of it?
B) Your country has hueg postage stamps
C) and it sounds like you're watching the wrong people playing the DS, or at least making everything up based on assumptions
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
...is akin to being in the mid 90's and calling the control stick a gimmik (which Sony stole from Nintendo)
Wait, what? SNES - PSX - N64, I thought it went. Didn't the PSX controller come before the N64?
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
If you remember from E3 before the Wii-mote was released, Sony had the standard Playstation controller
Actually, the had that TERRIBLE boomerang controller thing. Shudder.
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I'm pretty sure thats how everyone is reading those long *** posts.
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The PS1 DID come out before the N64, but the origional didn't have the dual analog sticks. Those came after the N64 launched.
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console warz.
die.
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PSP has a few worthy games... considering that Cave Story is going to come out for it, it has those nifty Megaman games, and there's an FFT remake being made for it.
Although I still prefer the DS and wouldn't buy a PSP unless it was extremely cheap for me. I have a friend with one, so it's all good. :P
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Yeah, but those Megaman games were mainly just remakes.. not to mention Megaman has gotten a bit stale in the last few years.
And while the PSP is getting a remake of FFT, the DS is getting a sequel to FFT.. Or was it FFTA?
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Yeah, but those Megaman games were mainly just remakes.. not to mention Megaman has gotten a bit stale in the last few years.
And while the PSP is getting a remake of FFT, the DS is getting a sequel to FFT.. Or was it FFTA?
BLASPHEMY! Although Maverick Hunter X was just a 3D remake of X. Battle Network doesn't count as Megaman, it counts as a steaming pile of ****.
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Pixel just said he would give permission to anyone who wanted to make a handheld Cave Story.. I've heard it's coming out for PSP and/or DS.
nvm:
Originally posted by Wikipedia
Variant Interactive announced on 27 March 2006 that they were developing a version of Doukutsu Monogatari for the PSP.[2] A graphical overhaul will be included in the new version as well as the original game.[3]
There is also a homebrew port of Cave Story in progress for the Nintendo DS, which has received Pixel's official blessing to go forward.[4] Originally, this port was intended for the Game Boy Advance, though as of October, 2006, the author moved the port to the Nintendo DS hardware.[5]
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Who the hell cares? Just buy the one which has the games you want and shut the **** up about the other systems. Darkflood is still a fanboy noob.
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The DS one is just a port - he doesn't have any intentions of adding anything, but the PSP one will have better graphics and probably a few new features - a few months ago the CEO (They're a small company) was asking around on their forums as to what other features they should add, like a backdash or something.
And as far as I've seen, the FFT sequel going to the DS isn't going to be an FFT sequel, rather an FFTA sequel.
Now the difference between the two is that FFTA has the idiotic concept of judges, among other stupid things(Oh noes, I'm not a foot and a half tall so I can't use guns like the Moogles can. Racial job separation is so gay.), and a sequel has the chance of having those flaws, whereas FFT is known to be awesome, and having it portable is even better.
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To me, sprites > 3D models, so if Cave Story came straight to DS as is I'd be happy. I liked both Tactics and Tactics Advance. I thought the judges were a neat little concept that added another form of planning. But whatevers, if it came to DS like FFTA I'd still buy it.
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Firstly DarkFlood, I am not being biased in an attempt to help the PSP save face; I am simply pointing out that a number of the points you made were complete crap.
1) I had the information from a games site which a friend showed me around 5 weeks ago. I don't remember the URL, but I'll be sure to go and find it just for you.
2) In your original point, you said, and I quote:
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
And, as most of you probably don't know, most people who buy the PSP barely use it, or use it for modding purposes. Even my brother, a reformed Sony fanboy, barely uses his PSP to play games.
Now, it is a fact that the PSP system is open to "homebrewing" software and games. But this does not mean that people do not use it for playing games, simply because you say "oh lol the games r crap", or because "your brother said so". Please try to base your argument on facts, rather than your own personal experiences, which are rather less impressive.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
[OPINION][BIAS]The fact of the matter is, most PSP games are not very good. You can take a look at virtually any game rating magazine (such as gameinformer) to see that the DS has one good game for every two mediocre PSP games. The numbers don't lie.[/OPINION][/BIAS]
This all depends on what you're looking for. As an example, I could go through any games magazine, and pick out any bad DS games, without looking at the good ones. I could then go on to say "My research has proven that 100% of DS games are crappy". You can't just base your entire argument on your own bias and opinions and then claim it to be "research", or you end up looking like a tard.
I'm going to put this in bold so that you can't fail to miss it. My point is this: Please do not base your arguments on "the PSP's games are crap". The reason for this is that these games are probably not crap; either you, or the games magazine you are using, simply did not like the game. This does not mean that it is "crap", and causes your argument to fall flat on its face.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
But I remember the figures to be about 1-3 games per PSP owner.
Everyone I know with a PSP owns more games than that. Please find me the figures which have told you this.
3) I never said it was a gimmick. Don't quote me on stuff I didn't say.
Originally posted by DarkFlood2
As for the lighting, the DS sports a stronger backlight than the PSP.
No it doesn't. Some guys even tested it with a lightmeter; the result being that the PSP had a much stronger backlight. Once again, I'll try to find you the exact site.
(By the way, check that your brother had the PSP's backlight on its full setting. Some people play with the backlight turned right down. God knows why.)
You cannot deny that when it comes down to raw power, the PSP "slaughters" the DS, as you put it. Just look at the technical specifications.
http://shopping.yahoo.com.au/b/a/ps_13403188/112101.html
http://shopping.yahoo.com.au/b/a/ps_15333423/112101.html
Hmm, 333 MHz processor speed for the PSP, and 67 MHz for the DS. Like you said, the numbers don't lie.
(By the way, "postage stamp" was a joke. Please try to notice when something is a joke in future.)
Oh, and by the way, about the Sixaxis thing, I have an issue of OPS2 somewhere which says this. I'll dig it out if I can and show you what it says, though I doubt you'll believe it, being as determined to win your little victory as you are.
4) I just love how you go on to insult my intelligence in the last two paragraphs. For a start, I am also attempting to make an unbiased argument, and yet you seem to be basing most of your points on either figures you "seem to remember", and "your brother".
Also, why would I attempt to disprove all of Charas? The PSP has its flaws, as well as the DS. However, the point I make is that you're trying to point out that the DS is completely superior to the PSP, something which, quite simply, is not true.
Similarly, it's also clear (At least to me) that your hatred of Sony significantly decreases your ability to make an unbiased argument, which is why I do not take your "facts" seriously.
There is no measureable unit of "how good something is", which is why it is impossible to win an argument like this. At the end of the day, it all boils down to personal taste.
I am going to leave this argument here, and I trust you can put aside your fanboyism and be mature enough to do the same.
End'd.
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However, there is also the possibility that they took all of that out. Although I wish it was an FFT sequel and not an FFTA sequel.
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From that site Draggy linked.
Nintendo DS.
(38 Ratings) Recommend Product: Yes 100% Read 1 review.
PSP
(566 Ratings) Recommend Product: Yes 96% Read 179 reviews.
Sales were horrible, aye?
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Yeah, there's that FFT game coming out for DS. I've heard it was sort of half way between FFT and FFTA. And all the PSP is doing for Cave Story is a graphical update, which I wouldn't want. The graphics are the game's charm. Having Cave Story handheld is just God.
EVERYONE. I can have people sent to your house. Bad people.
stfuad.
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xD Drace. xD.
Cave Story is so popular someone would have eventually ported it to games systems anyway.
And MrMister, you can't send bad people to my house, because nobody knows where my house is.
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Originally posted by Dragonium
xD Drace. xD.
Cave Story is so popular someone would have eventually ported it to games systems anyway.
And MrMister, you can't send bad people to my house, because nobody knows where my house is.
it's in the swamp
you swampass nigga
the game lord will punish you
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I camped out for a nintendo wii and my mom got a ps3. The wii is better than the ps3 in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Dragonium
Cave Story is so popular someone would have eventually ported it to games systems anyway.
If so many people like it why are there only maybe four to eight active members of the Fansite forums? :(
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Originally posted by Osmose
Originally posted by Dragonium
Cave Story is so popular someone would have eventually ported it to games systems anyway.
If so many people like it why are there only maybe four to eight active members of the Fansite forums? :([/B]
Because everyone else (Like me) is always playing it XD
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Originally posted by Osmose
Originally posted by Dragonium
Cave Story is so popular someone would have eventually ported it to games systems anyway.
If so many people like it why are there only maybe four to eight active members of the Fansite forums? :([/B]
Because everyone else (Like me) is always playing it XD[/B]
Comeback of the Century. ZKX recieves 800 Awesome Points. When he recieves another 200 AP, he will level up to "Pretty Bloody Awesome".
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Originally posted by Dragonium
Comeback of the Century. ZKX recieves 800 Awesome Points. When he recieves another 200 AP, he will level up to "Pretty Bloody Awesome".[/B]
That statement makes you lose about 600 Awesome points. Irony. :D
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Originally posted by Osmose
Originally posted by Dragonium
Comeback of the Century. ZKX recieves 800 Awesome Points. When he recieves another 200 AP, he will level up to "Pretty Bloody Awesome".[/B]
That statement makes you lose about 600 Awesome points. Irony. :D[/B]
Wait, if you take my gained 800, dubtract his 600, that leaves 200 which is how much I need to level up! Correlation? Not really, no.