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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: aboutasoandthis on December 28, 2006, 03:11:25 AM
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I went gift card shopping today. I had a little extra money left over from Christmas so I got this. As it turns out, this game was selling out everywhere. I managed to find it at Circuit City.
It's turning out to be a cool game. I can't really enjoy it. My Gamecube controllers are a little broken. I can't run in a straight line, and the Yellow C stick clicks on itself. Soon I'll get another controller. I didn't know they would affect the game this much.
Are you a fan of the Zelda games? I've never really been a fan of them, but I do acknowledge them as good games. I even have Windwaker. These games are probably what got me interested in games like Ico.
If you have it, how does this play on the Wii? What's your favorite Zelda game? Do you like this game? Random Stuff.
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The Wii version is pretty cool. All you use the wiimote for is aiming and slashing.
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"I even have Wind Waker"? What's that supposed to mean?
The Wii version controls just fine, it even surprises me how good it feels to play that way. From what I hear, the GameCube version is a mirrored version of the Wii version (or vice-versa, actually), so I ask you this: Is Kakariko Village on the left side of the map or the right side?
I love the Zelda series, it's my favorite series of all time. My personal favorite game is A Link to the Past, followed closely by Link's Awakening, and in a near-tie third comes Twilight Princess. The rest are too close to call, so they all tie for forth place.
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Originally Posted by Archem2
"I even have Wind Waker"? What's that supposed to mean?
I meant that I have The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker. I play it sometimes, but it is not my favorite game. I know when something is a good game, even though I don't play it that much.
I put Windwaker as one word. That's enough to show I'm not a fanboy. That honor goes to Final Fantasy. :p I do like these games though.
If I had to pick a favorite, it would be Ocarina of Time. I never had it, but a friend of mine did. I would go to his house to play it.
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Forgot your other question. That's the first town right? The main part of the town with the river and the shops is on the left side. So is the Goat ranch.
Another Edit...
Is this what you were talking about?
http://www.nintendo411.com/articles/50/1/Wii-version-of-Twilight-Princess-completely-mirrored-to-make-Link-right-handed/
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Yeah, that link says what I thought it would, and no, Kakariko is the deserted town you encounter early on. You'll find out soon enough, I think.
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I have the Wii version, and let me tell you, you have alot to look foreword too.
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Heh, I'm typing this on my brand new Wii right now. I bought TP with it, but haven't had a chance to try it out. Hopefully it's as good as you guys say.
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If not better? ;)
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*has every Zelda game, sans the Philips bastard hell-spawns*
Thought you guys would like to know.
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OMG <3
I got this game for Christmas and I havent been able to stop playing it since. I'm in the Temple of time already =D. I beat about 2 dungeons a day. =] At this rate, I'll have the game done by next week. <3
YAY FOR WOLF LINK! =3
I luff this game so much <3333333333
and Ronnie yells at me for playing it while I'm on the phone with him >.>
Oh, I have the gamecube version. ^^
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I'm an easily exhausted person, and I have a lot of games that I spread my time amongst, so I haven't beaten this game yet. I just finished the Temple of Time part today, and I've been playing since the Wii released (November 19), so that gives you a scale of how fast I progress. Plus I play the game very thoroughly, so that takes time as well. I think I might beat the game in a couple of weeks, but that's assuming I don't spend too much time on other prospects.
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Got it, played it, loved it.
Actually I think that Wind Waker is better than Ocarina of Time. Sure, OoT has its merit, and started the whole thing about bosses being epic, but WW took that to new heights. (which was pushed further by Twilight Princess) Not to mention that the areas in WW were huge, and still, the Gamecube was able to hold up. Just look at the draw distances from island to island.. And there weren't even any load times while exploring the sea.
Back to TP, yes the entire map, puzzles, and absolutely exerything is reversed on the Gamecube version.. Or rather I should say flipped back to its origional position. While I did not read what aboutsoandthis posted, I know that the reason that link was reversed was so people wouldn't get confused with swinging the right hand to make the left hand attack.. How that would occur I have no clue.
It was very smart of nintendo to hold back the GC version of TP for the Wii.. That way they could have a killer app right at launch and have a significant boost in Wii sales.
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Wind Waker's lack of loading times in the overworld was due to the fact that it took so ****ing long to sail from one island to the next that all the game had to do in the meantime while you were sailing was preload the island - notice that as you sail to an island all you see is it's gray silhouette. That's hardly "huge draw distance" as much as "placeholder".
Wind Waker was too easy for me to play through it more than once. Maybe I'll go back to it and play through it again, it's worth that much, but I do that with most games after about a year, so meh.
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I think WW got a bad rep cause of its style. I loved it.
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Likewise. I really did like Wind Waker, even if it had its faults.
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Agreed with the last two posts. Wind Waker beats the hell out of a lot of games out there, and once I beat Twilight Princess, I'm gonna go beat Ocarina of Time, and then finish off Wind Waker!
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>_>
I have completion issues! Don't judge me! /fetal position
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In the grand scheme of things, Majora's Mask is still my favorite, but WW makes a second place behind it. I never understood how people said it was too kiddy. Hell, it has the exact plot as every other Zelda, and all those are considered serious. Don't give me that thing about style, if you can take Sonic Adventure seriously you can take WW.
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If you can take Sonic Adventure?!
You mean that non-cel shaded, more realistic than it's predecessors game where you don't play as a child?
Oh yeah, totally the same. Saeeem.
And how does Wind Waker have the same story? Sailing the seas searching for treasure? KYS instantly.
I'd say TP is my favorite, then MM, OoT, WW, Linkz Awakening, teh rest.
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I liked Link's Awakening, then Majora's Mask, then the rest. My friend just got TP, so I'll be heading over there sooner then later.
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By the same, I mean it all boils down to Ganon is a bad guy, you get the Master Sword, you collect
- of [item], he kidnaps Zelda, you save Hyrule, everyone lives happy ever after.
Notice how I never said I have a problem with this. I love the entire series to death, but I'm not so much of a fanboy I won't say the obvious.
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What about when Vaati is the villain, hm?
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
What about when Vaati is the villain, hm?
Fine. Ganon or [Insert random non-canon villian]. Awakening, II, Majora's and 4 Swords are the only ones I can think of that don't have Ganon as the final boss in the end.
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However, out of the 13 games (not including CD-I games), Ganon/Ganondorf has only been the villain in 6 games. That means that there are 7 games where he was not the villain.
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Meh, they all have the same pattern, there's no denying it. Whether or not it's Ganon himself there is someone as a placeholder for him. But you are wrong, as if there are 13, there are only 5 non-Ganon games.
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Wrong. There are 5 games where Ganon is not *MENTIONED*. Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are the key here. While Ganon may be in them, he was not the main villain of the game. Unfortunately, while I would like to post the list of all games where Ganon was not a main villain, I cannot because of spoilers.. Namely because Archem has yet to beat a Zelda game created after A Link to the Past. (Despite him having all of them)
But, I can list all of the Zelda games released in the US. (sans the monstrous CDi games)
-}NES{-
Zelda I
Zelda II: Adventure of Link
-}SNES{-
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
-}N64{-
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
-}Gamecube{-
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
-}Gameboy{-
Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
-}Gameboy Color{-
Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
-}Gameboy Advance{-
Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap
As basic math dictates, the number of Zelda games is 13. 16, if you count the CDi games, and 18 if you add the upcoming Phantom Hourglass and Tingle RPG games. I didn't count remakes of games such as Link's Awakening DX and the GBA version of ALttP.
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You see, if you're going to add a qualifier, you need to do it in the original statement.
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*claps at the list and it's inclusion of Four Swords [GBA], scoffs at the disorder of the consoles and ignoring of the Wii release of Twilight Princess first*
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I consider the Wii version to be a remake because it was origionally slated for the Gamecube.. And there isn't a point in posting doubles when I'm explaining how many Zelda games were released.
Actually the order of consoles is in the correct order, with portables and consoles seperated. It may not be in a chronological order, but that is irrelevant.
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Great, now the WHOLE THING fails because of your retort. Way to ruin a semi-perfect thing...
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I beat the game with 3 hearts and no bottles, and I did the Cave of Ordeals with 0 rupees and blindfolded while suspended 100 feet above the ground.
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That makes you a real boy there, Pinocchio.
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I'll give you a piece of wood. In the ass.
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Doesn't Twilight Princess sound manly? I would play it if I had a wii..
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teh twilight princess is... Malon!
muahaha.
she lives for 300 years and is in charge of the milk monopoly. She owns Milkrosoft.
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Originally posted by ~*Sweet Ichifo*~
OMG <3
I got this game for Christmas and I havent been able to stop playing it since. I'm in the Temple of time already =D. I beat about 2 dungeons a day. =] At this rate, I'll have the game done by next week. <3
YAY FOR WOLF LINK! =3
I luff this game so much <3333333333
and Ronnie yells at me for playing it while I'm on the phone with him >.>
Oh, I have the gamecube version. ^^
You, my friend, are spoiling off the Wah-zoo.
Although I am at the exact spot you are.
Am I the only one who took a slow approach to this game? No outside information such as Strategy guides, FAQ's or message boards at all, and I am limiting myself to time per-day in which I get to play it, so I can enjoy it a lot longer.
In otherwords, I am taking my Sweet time.
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The only real spoiler is the part about the temple of time.. I mean If you have this game, chances are you've seen the trailers, or took a look at the box to know about wolf link.
Really it was only minor spoilers.
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damn! Wii is sold out. I have to get the gamecube version what a drag. Although this is a different zelda game I may get phantom hourglass for the DS whenever that comes out.
About the whole wether gannon is in the games or not, he has minions also. vatii may have been one of his minions or maybe has his soul? and in the oracle games (gameboy color) Ganon had to be unlocked by connecting one to the other (spoiler I know.) Otherwise you had to beat just general onyx or that female villian in LoZ: OOAges. Oh and Fourswords adventures for the gamecube had ganon and vatii not the origional four swords.
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The only connection to Ganon that Vaati has is in Four Swords Adventures for the gamecube. He was being used by Ganon to get the trident of power if I remember my Zelda Lore correctly.
In OoA and OoS, however, Ganon was NOT the main villain. If I recall correctly, the main villain's goal was to resurrect Ganon. Thus, Ganon was not the main villain, but the goal of the main villain.
Vaati really has no ties to Ganon outside of FSA, if you wan't to know Vaati's true origins, I suggest playing Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap... Or you can just ask me.
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No Gannon is the true final boss of Oracle of Seasons and Ages, you have to beat one, get the code, start a new game with the code on the other one, beat the final boss of that one too, than Gannon is revived and you must travel through the hidden dungeon and fight him to the death. He is too easy in that game though, Twinerova was much more difficult.
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Although he may be the final boss, he is not the main villain. People get that confused a lot so I don't mind explaining.
The main villain's goal was the revival of Ganon, correct? Well while Ganon's revival was the goal of the main villain, and the final boss of the game, he most certainly was not the main villain, or antagonist. An example I could use would be from Final Fantasy 9.
In Final Fantasy 9, the final boss was Necron. However, he played almost no role in the entire story.. Nor was he the directly manipulating the antagonist's (Kuja's) actions. In this game, we can see that Kuja is the main villain, but he is not the final boss.
Just to reiterate, the final boss is not always the main villain.
Now in OoA/OoS, Ganon, while his revival was the goal of the main villain, (I forget who it was) He was not manipulating the main villain from beyond the grave. Thus, he is simply a final boss with little meaning to the story, such as Necron. (However, he was more important to the story in OoA/OoS than Necron was in FF9)
Ganon was simply the goal of the main villain's actions. Nothing more.
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No, if you play the games right (one after the other), then you'll find that Ganon really is the true boss of the game. Don't preach what you don't know.
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Originally posted by Archem2
No, if you play the games right (one after the other), then you'll find that Ganon really is the true boss of the game. Don't preach what you don't know.
isn't that the point of preaching
ZING!
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I'm not questioning whether or not he is the true boss of the game, what I'm questioning is whther or not he is the main antagonist of the game... In other words, the main villain.
Suppose there is a game where a mage is trying to summon a demon to destroy the earth. You defeat him, but the ritual is completed in time for the demon to summon and you must now beat it. True, the demon may be the final boss, but he is only the final boss because of the mage's actions. He is a by-product of what the antagonist did. In reality, he (the demon) is not the main villain, the mage (antagonist) is.
So what I'm saying is that the person trying to revive Ganon is the antagonist, Ganon's retunr is merely a by-product of the antagonist's actions. It would be different if Ganon tried to contact the antagonist from beyond the grave, but alas, no such contact occured.
Allow me to reiterate once again, the final boss is not always the main villain. Just because he is the main villain of the series does not give him a worldly classification of "Oh he's the final boss, he must be the main villain in this game!"
Something tells me you guys still won't understand.. So I'll make a list of every game I know of where the final boss is not the main villain.
Final Fantasy 9
Legend of Zelda: OoA/OoS
Megaman X6
Final Fantasy 3 (NES or DS versions)
Xenosaga episode 1
There aren't many that I know of, but these are some prime examples of the final boss loosely being tied to the antagonist.
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In FFX, the final boss is inside the main villian. Does that count?
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Ganon is A main boss. Just because it takes some effort to get to him, it doesn't mean he isn't A main. Just because the game leads you to believe otherwise doesn't mean he's not.
Look at Skies of Arcadia. For a good 3/4 of the game, you are led to believe that Admiral/Lord Galcian is the bad guy. You play through thinking he will be the final boss. Then you kill him, but wait! The title of main boss shifts to Ramirez who is the final boss!
Remember, after you beat what you believe to be the main boss, if I remember they give some little speech about Ganon, then die. Then you get to see Koume and Kotake with Zelda on a table, talking about how they will ressurect Ganon. This sequence of events shifts the title of main boss to Ganon, because from this point on any further gameplay is aimed to fighting Ganon, who is now your main boss.
FF9 was totally different. The final boss just appears out of nowhere and has less than 1% relevance. Ganon has entire scenes dedicated to him in the single game.
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However, did Ganon ever manipulate anyone to resurrect him? As far as we know he didn't. Thus, one could say that he is a final boss, but not a final villain.
As I said before, I'm not questioning his bossness, I'm questioning whether or not he was the antagonist in the story for that game. All of the evidence points to someone else, not Ganon.
@Drace: No, FFX doesn't count because Yu-Yevon was controlling Sin.