Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 03:12:51 AM
Then a minute later he was already hanged.
Thoughts?
Post by: Archem on December 30, 2006, 03:17:29 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 03:18:57 AM
Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 03:26:25 AM
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 03:30:49 AM
WMDs? Saddam didn't have them.
9-11? Saddam was not involved.
Aiding Al Qaeda? Iraq was a secular government and Al Qaeda favors religious rule. Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies.
Killing his own people? Evidence suggests Iran gassed the Kurds as an act of war, and in any event, the US Government has killed more Iraqis than Saddam's regime ever did.
Hmph.
Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 03:33:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
What was he sentenced for?
Crimes against Humanity.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 03:35:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
What was he sentenced for?
WMDs? Saddam didn't have them.
9-11? Saddam was not involved.
Aiding Al Qaeda? Iraq was a secular government and Al Qaeda favors religious rule. Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies.
Killing his own people? Evidence suggests Iran gassed the Kurds as an act of war, and in any event, the US Government has killed more Iraqis than Saddam's regime ever did.
Hmph.
You douschebag.
Post by: Tomi on December 30, 2006, 03:42:49 AM
Post by: drenrin2120 on December 30, 2006, 03:44:49 AM
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 03:45:04 AM
Post by: Cybuster on December 30, 2006, 03:47:45 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 03:49:33 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Sorry if I don't submit to Star Wars good guy/bad guy groupthink, or don't jump for joy over the death of yet another human being in this entire pointless debacle.
That's not why. You're just an idiot :)
Post by: Tomi on December 30, 2006, 03:51:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Omega Weapon
Sorry if I don't submit to Star Wars good guy/bad guy groupthink, or don't jump for joy over the death of yet another human being in this entire pointless debacle.
That's not why. You're just an idiot :) [/B]
Amen, brother. :Plight:
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 03:52:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXYes, I imagine little things like 'facts' and 'reality' interfere with the simplistic viewpoints.
You douschebag.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 03:59:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega WeaponQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyXYes, I imagine little things like 'facts' and 'reality' interfere with the simplistic viewpoints.[/B]
You douschebag.
I would respond, but I got a bonk. Really funny too, as I've done so much worse than calling someone a douschebag. Kind of a bummer too, I had a whole post prepared for that type of statement. Oh wells.
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 04:00:41 AM
Post by: MrMister on December 30, 2006, 04:02:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
What was he sentenced for?
WMDs? Saddam didn't have them.
9-11? Saddam was not involved.
Aiding Al Qaeda? Iraq was a secular government and Al Qaeda favors religious rule. Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies.
Killing his own people? Evidence suggests Iran gassed the Kurds as an act of war, and in any event, the US Government has killed more Iraqis than Saddam's regime ever did.
Hmph.
US Government has killed more Iraqis than A LOT of people that are convicted. Just because he isn't the worst person in the world doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to die. Also, Saddam personally raped like 400 people. Twaaat.
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 04:09:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMister
US Government has killed more Iraqis than A LOT of people that are convicted. Just because he isn't the worst person in the world doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to die.
That's really a philosophical statement, about deserving... but I can agree with that. It's just that the 'deserving' part has been muddled by the dog and pony show the White House called a trial.
Quote
Do you have a source for this?
Also, Saddam personally raped like 400 people.
Quote
Twaaat.Fantastic.
Post by: Cybuster on December 30, 2006, 04:15:49 AM
Don't you watch history channel? Still OG wy do you defend the guy so much if he had a chance to kill you he would have taken it same as you if you knew he was going to kill you for no reason. He wdindt just kill his own peolpe he would kill anyone who stand in his way.
Post by: Omega Weapon on December 30, 2006, 04:26:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by CybusterI used to, until I started to study some stuff for myself, and saw how incredibly skewed such sources of information can be.
Don't you watch history channel?
Quote
Still OG wy do you defend the guy so much if he had a chance to kill you he would have taken it same as you if you knew he was going to kill you for no reason. He wdindt just kill his own peolpe he would kill anyone who stand in his way.
I'm not defending him personally, because I don't know him. I do know, however, that a lot of the stuff he was accused of was blown up in order to expedite his permaban, and in a way, legitimize the invasion of Iraq.
And I have to ask, what "way" ? What dastardly plan did he have? To build missiles and launch nookular weapons at NYC? Everything suggests he was nothing more than a tin-pot dictator, like the plethora that sip on champaign and give the same brutal orders to their security services, as we discuss this. Just because he was plastered all over the television and made to look more 'shifty' than the rest of them really doesn't change the fact that Iraq was a craphole before the invasion, crippled by sanctions and with half a million dead children because of them, incapable of threatening any of its neighbors, much less the USA, or me personally.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 04:33:31 AM
Post by: SonicChaos7 on December 30, 2006, 05:09:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
The thing is, we didn't convict Hussein. His own fuckin' Iraqi's did. Sure, you can say we bullied him or whatever other stuff you wanna say, but the bottom line is he was a dickweed and it bit him in the ***.
QFT
Post by: drenrin2120 on December 30, 2006, 05:13:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Omega Weapon
Sorry if I don't submit to Star Wars good guy/bad guy groupthink, or don't jump for joy over the death of yet another human being in this entire pointless debacle.
Two tips: Shut the **** up and stop being a rebel.
I hate that bullshit about how 'no one deserves to die'. Did hitler not deserve to die? Did Jack the Ripper not deserve to die? I could go on, but the point is, preserving the 'sanctity of human life' and how 'all life is precious' is not entirely true. It is sad some choose to take the gift of life and do evil with it, but an evil life is an evil life and nothing can change that fact.
Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 05:53:43 AM
Post by: drenrin2120 on December 30, 2006, 05:59:52 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 06:17:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Razor
We're all quite extreme when it comes to opinions, aren't we?
Something I've learned on this forum, you don't have to have any substantial proof of an opinion, yet you'll still be right. God bless this forum.
Post by: SaiKar on December 30, 2006, 06:56:44 AM
Although, on the other hand, you know what you're doing Omega. I'd try to fly a little more under the radar if I were you. After all, I remember when that account was registered.
Post by: MrMister on December 30, 2006, 07:14:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by Razor
We're all quite extreme when it comes to opinions, aren't we?
Something I've learned on this forum, you don't have to have any substantial proof of an opinion, yet you'll still be right. God bless this forum. [/B]
Right! Like when I tell everyone that Sai and Midnight did the horizontal monster mash, they all know I'm right, even though I only have several pages of evidence
edit: For a serious post, how about the horde of his own people Saddam sentenced without fair trials? Don't give me that fair trial bullshit, because he deprived tonnes of people of just that.
Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 07:29:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMister
horizontal monster mash
That is still the funniest term ever for that particular action.
Post by: Kinslayer on December 30, 2006, 07:31:52 AM
Well, Saddam's dead, but nothing really changes. Besides he wasn't executed because of an "act of justice", he was executed in order to accomplish an US (or more especifically a Bush's) desire. That's truly shameful, it seems that if it doesn't benefit the USA, then there can never be real justice.
Not that I agree with death penalty, I don't agree, I'd rather let someone rot to death than dirt my hands with killing him.
But it's shameful that a tyrant is only punished if he swims against the current. Or the USA.
And drenrin, no one decides who deserves to die or not. UIs death a punishment? No one really knows what happens on the other side. If you want to truly punish someone yourself, let him live, but let him live a life of suffering.
Ask yourself why many prefer to commit suicide before being torutured.
Post by: SonicChaos7 on December 30, 2006, 07:44:56 AM
Quote
Ask yourself why many prefer to commit suicide before being torutured.
Suicide is for pussies.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 07:48:41 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SonicChaos7
QuoteAsk yourself why many prefer to commit suicide before being torutured.
Suicide is for pussies. [/B]
QFT
Post by: Razor on December 30, 2006, 08:12:27 AM
Post by: drenrin2120 on December 30, 2006, 08:52:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyXQuoteOriginally posted by SonicChaos7
QuoteAsk yourself why many prefer to commit suicide before being torutured.
Suicide is for pussies. [/B]
QFT[/B]
For the most part, yes. Butt here are exceptions. If you're emo and want to kill yourself because your gf of a week dumped you're dumb ***, than you're an idiot and I'd be honored to be charged with your assisted retahd suicide. But if you're in a situation like the Jews with the Death Camps, well, you can't exactly call them pussies in that case. I know you weren't calling Jews pussies dude, I'm just using that as an example. There are plenty others, sadly.
Post by: Desimodontidae on December 30, 2006, 02:27:11 PM
Post by: DarkFlood2 on December 30, 2006, 03:53:26 PM
In all seriousness, Saddam did deserve death.. I don't think a life sentence would be appropriate for a dictator who mercilessly killed his own people. (Mostly with poison like mustard gas)
Now all we have to do is impeach Bush and we can all be happy.
Post by: aboutasoandthis on December 30, 2006, 04:23:08 PM
What exactly did he do?
Post by: Tomi on December 30, 2006, 04:44:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kinslayer
Besides he wasn't executed because of an "act of justice", he was executed in order to accomplish an US (or more especifically a Bush's) desire.
Exactly why the Iraqis ran the trial and executed him. And then they celebrated it. Must be Bush's fault.
Quote
Originally posted by Kinslayer
Not that I agree with death penalty, I don't agree, I'd rather let someone rot to death than dirt my hands with killing him.
And then have people trying to break him out of jail. It gives those kind of people hope, and the will to fight. Killing him, no matter how bad it sounds, gets these problems out of the way.
Quote
Originally posted by Kinslayer
But it's shameful that a tyrant is only punished if he swims against the current. Or the USA.
Maybe because the USA are the only ones who (can) do anything about it.
Quote
Originally posted by Kinslayer
If you want to truly punish someone yourself, let him live, but let him live a life of suffering.
You terrible person.. :p
Post by: Koopapooper on December 30, 2006, 05:27:43 PM
LOL! *spamlas* :D
HaHa saddam was killed....
haha
Post by: Kinslayer on December 30, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
The breaking out of jail gives you a point really, but maybe sending him to a far away jail? Saddam doesn't have that much of supporters, lots of iraquis cheered his punishment, and although most of the world didn't like the death penalty (like myself), everybody was glad to have that bastard punished.
I didn't talk about what can the USA do or not do. The US gorvernment is, today, the strongest of all the world, and of course, the USA can do mostly everything. But what if the USA was wrong? If somebody made an international crime, the punishment is carried out if it harmed the USA, but if not, then the punishment is less harsh.
Do some research on Videla, Massera, Agosti (I'd say Galtieri, but thank Gosh he's death) and see how "harshly" they are punished. They made crimes much worse than Saddam's, but they were a really helpful hand to the USA at the 70's and 80's (except for the war at the Malvinas (call them Falklands if you want) Islands), and their punishment isn't so harsh at all.
And yeah, I'm very very bad XD
Post by: Revolution911 on December 30, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
(That was a joke you sensative shmucks.)
My point is, okay sure Bush is a dick, okay sure you dont like the death penalty, whatever. But dont go looking around FINDING **** to blame on the US. ****, most of us dont like Bush ourselves, so get off our back. I, personally, have evolved to the point of not giving a **** anymore. Eh, what can I do about it.
And all this talk about evil, what the **** are you, Superman? Please tell me more about the line that seperates Batman and the Joker. I've heard just about enough of that. Good and evil are all opinion based concepts.
8====D~ :o
Post by: SaiKar on December 30, 2006, 07:04:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kinslayer
Saddam doesn't have that much of supporters
Don't be so sure. Saddam may have been a dictator using force and fear to keep his country in line, but at least it was in line. Now that he's gone and people are free to do what they want, doing what they want mostly means killing their age-old enemies. Some people wonder if the brtual dictatorship was better than open civil war.
Post by: SonicChaos7 on December 30, 2006, 07:06:26 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on December 30, 2006, 07:23:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SonicChaos7
If you don't give a ****, why are you posting? Go back to eating your beans.
That was, dont give a **** about what the government does. But I DO give a **** when an entire country is held accountable for what the government does. You fool. You racist FOOL. >/
Post by: SonicChaos7 on December 30, 2006, 07:46:54 PM
Post by: MrMister on December 30, 2006, 08:06:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SonicChaos7
I know. I'm so damn racist, it kills.
Shut up you ****ing native!
All prairie niggers out da thread!
So who believes that Saddam had to watch South Park..
The Saddam watching south park conspiracy... is a government conspiracy.
Post by: WarxePB on December 30, 2006, 08:21:07 PM
Post by: Grandy on December 30, 2006, 09:07:06 PM
...
No I ain't back, my cousin let me use her internet for the sole purpose of responding this here.
ANYWAYS I'm pretty happy that now all the troops will be removed from there and the war will stop, 'cause the main reason of the war was to take out the tirane of the power 'cause he was evil. At least it was last time I checked, but they might've come with something else to stay there.
Also, they had to make the execution quick, otherwise there could have been interference. At least that's what I think.
Post by: oooog on December 30, 2006, 09:12:26 PM
Post by: coasterkrazy on December 30, 2006, 09:27:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grandy
ANYWAYS I'm pretty happy that now all the troops will be removed from there and the war will stop, 'cause the main reason of the war was to take out the tirane of the power 'cause he was evil. At least it was last time I checked, but they might've come with something else to stay there.
Um... from what I know we're not leaving... :(
But really, the problem is that now that we've been there so long, it appears we can't leave. We shouldn't have gone in the first place really (which I know can be argued, I've had it all up in my face before), but now it's like we're stuck because if we leave, they attack, and the last thing we want is for war to come here.
It feels like we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now, because the situation is sort of like we don't want to be there, but we don't want to leave.
Also, while many foreign governments in those areas may be on our side, many of the people absolutely hate us, but I wouldn't go getting mad at them about it before stopping and thinking. After all, I don't know how I'd feel if I were someone living in one of those countries, like Egypt.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 30, 2006, 09:35:18 PM
Post by: oooog on December 30, 2006, 09:56:19 PM
I'm curious to see the new excuse for why were over there (If were over there), when Bush leaves power.
Post by: Tomi on December 30, 2006, 10:48:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by coasterkrazyQuoteOriginally posted by Grandy
ANYWAYS I'm pretty happy that now all the troops will be removed from there and the war will stop, 'cause the main reason of the war was to take out the tirane of the power 'cause he was evil. At least it was last time I checked, but they might've come with something else to stay there.
Um... from what I know we're not leaving... :(
[/B]
I think we'll slowly remove the troops over the next couple years, and if not by then, 2008 for sure because people will vote for whoever wants to get them out.
Post by: MrMister on December 30, 2006, 10:53:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
As usual, Saddam will be made into a martyr, and the war will become even more difficult for both sides. There was really no point in executing him, other than the symbolism ("the old era is dead"), but it was almost surely the wrong decision.
HEY, CRY ME A RIVER, DUDE. IT'S NOT MY FAULT YOU DON'T KNOW TIGER HAND
Post by: Drace on December 30, 2006, 10:56:49 PM
Post by: MrMister on December 30, 2006, 10:59:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Drace
Well, I bet you are all expecting anti-American hate posts from me. Well screw you guys, I honestly don't care about this issue. Seek your fun from Omega Weapon.
No one expects anything of you
Post by: Drace on December 30, 2006, 11:08:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMisterQuoteOriginally posted by Drace
Well, I bet you are all expecting anti-American hate posts from me. Well screw you guys, I honestly don't care about this issue. Seek your fun from Omega Weapon.
No one expects anything of you[/B]
You expected me to be bad in bed before, and I proved you wrong on that.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on December 30, 2006, 11:20:21 PM
His trials were costing too much money. It's a good think he died, if just so that the money can go to a better deserved area.
Let's face it, it was either kill him or sit around talking about him for eternity. Because it was Iraqi law, the first option was taken. If he was trialed in Britain we would never have decided upon anything and it would have cost us billions. Good on Iraq.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on December 30, 2006, 11:48:30 PM
Post by: Weregnome on December 31, 2006, 03:36:22 AM
Post by: Darkfox on December 31, 2006, 04:05:44 AM
Post by: Dominicy on December 31, 2006, 04:10:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SonicChaos7
If you don't give a ****, why are you posting? Go back to eating your beans.
LOL. gonna be off topic for a sec, but that is funny about going back to eating beans! xD
EDIT: being on topic, I don't know how I feel, but, I personally am not sure if it was the best Idea to kill him...:
Post by: Djanki on December 31, 2006, 10:19:03 PM
I'm glad he's gone, but I don't think it's gonna solve anything--the people he killed are still dead.
Well, good riddance, anyway.
Post by: Dragonium on December 31, 2006, 10:37:31 PM
Saddam had a lot of supporters - pretty much half of Iraq was still in support of him (Long story short, Iraq was split into the Shi'ites and the Sunis, and the Sunis were in support of Saddam). So really Saddam's death is going to make the situation even worse. There's been what, 5-10 bombings already?
Meh, good riddance anyway.
Post by: Djanki on December 31, 2006, 11:02:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dragonium
The irony is that people think that this marks the end of the conflict; the leader is dead, most of his supporters are dead, and the supporters that remain won't show their faces again. This isn't a movie. It's not Star Wars.
Saddam had a lot of supporters - pretty much half of Iraq was still in support of him (Long story short, Iraq was split into the Shi'ites and the Sunis, and the Sunis were in support of Saddam). So really Saddam's death is going to make the situation even worse. There's been what, 5-10 bombings already?
Meh, good riddance anyway.
True, that. Things are gonna get worse before they get better.
Post by: MrMister on December 31, 2006, 11:04:40 PM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on December 31, 2006, 11:06:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMister
And I'm chilling in sunny Canada, a million miles away from any of the world's problems.. hoorj.
Dzamn you and your free health care.
Post by: Revolution911 on December 31, 2006, 11:15:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMister
And I'm chilling in sunny Canada, a million miles away from any of the world's problems.. hoorj.
Global Warming's ****ing you in the *** first.
Post by: Djanki on December 31, 2006, 11:15:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMister
And I'm chilling in sunny Canada, a million miles away from any of the world's problems.. hoorj.
...I envy you...I think Canada :Plight: .
Post by: MrMister on December 31, 2006, 11:33:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Revolution911QuoteOriginally posted by MrMister
And I'm chilling in sunny Canada, a million miles away from any of the world's problems.. hoorj.
Global Warming's ****ing you in the *** first.[/B]
Myth..
Post by: drenrin2120 on January 01, 2007, 12:39:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MrMisterQuoteOriginally posted by Revolution911QuoteOriginally posted by MrMister
And I'm chilling in sunny Canada, a million miles away from any of the world's problems.. hoorj.
Global Warming's ****ing you in the *** first.[/B]
Myth..[/B]
More like, theory.
Post by: Razor on January 01, 2007, 05:34:47 AM
Post by: Drace on January 01, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Razor
You know, I was always one to believe that the Global Warming stuff is true and all that, but recently I've been lead to believe otherwise. I mean, who's to say that this isn't a routine that the earth has been going through for thousands of years?
Yup yup. That's the way I think. I mean, we had an Ice Age not that long ago. Top colds, who says the same can't happen for heat?
Post by: Djanki on January 03, 2007, 12:18:18 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Razor
You know, I was always one to believe that the Global Warming stuff is true and all that, but recently I've been lead to believe otherwise. I mean, who's to say that this isn't a routine that the earth has been going through for thousands of years?
One thing that strikes me as odd is that geologists say that currently we're at the end of the Ice Age. If so...then maybe the warming is NORMAL?
End of 'Ice Age' = end of ice, = it's getting hotter.
'Sides, more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a GOOD thing--whatever happened to photosynthesis?
Another thing--the Rain Forest isn't the 'lungs of the earth' after all--all of the O2 made in there is quickly used up by the stuff that LIVES in the rain forest. If it were empty, that'd be another thing, but there are organisms that live in the Rain Forest, using the O2, and this, making CO2. So, in my opinion, if the Rain Forest were to be cut down, we wouldn't all die of asphyxiation on the spot. 'Sides, it's been proven that the majority of O2 is made by photosynthesis done by microorganisms, of which there are way more than plants.
Note that I wouldn't want to see the Rain Forest all cut down--that wouldn't be cool. Too many animals and tribes and such.
Sorry for the rant. For more truths about the Global Warming myth, read Michael Chricton's 'State of Fear' (he's the guy who wrote Jurassic Park).
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 03, 2007, 12:33:42 AM
Post by: Black Massacre on January 03, 2007, 02:12:23 AM