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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Black Massacre on January 08, 2007, 12:50:08 AM
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SCIENTISTS are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of “gay” sheep in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding out homosexuality in humans.
The technique being developed by American researchers adjusts the hormonal balance in the brains of homosexual rams so that they are more inclined to mate with ewes.
It raises the prospect that pregnant women could one day be offered a treatment to reduce or eliminate the chance that their offspring will be homosexual. Experts say that, in theory, the “straightening” procedure on humans could be as simple as a hormone supplement for mothers-to-be, worn on the skin like an anti-smoking nicotine patch.
The research, at Oregon State University in the city of Corvallis and at the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, has caused an outcry. Martina Navratilova, the lesbian tennis player who won Wimbledon nine times, and scientists and gay rights campaigners in Britain have called for the project to be abandoned.
Navratilova defended the “right” of sheep to be gay. She said: “How can it be that in the year 2006 a major university would host such homophobic and cruel experiments?” She said gay men and lesbians would be “deeply offended” by the social implications of the tests.
But the researchers argue that the work is valid, shedding light on the “broad question” of what determines sexual orientation. They insist the work is not aimed at “curing” homosexuality.
Approximately one ram in 10 prefers to mount other rams rather than mate with ewes, reducing its value to a farmer. Initially, the publicly funded project aimed to improve the productivity of herds.
The scientists have been able to pinpoint the mechanisms influencing the desires of “male-oriented” rams by studying their brains. The animals’ skulls are cut open and electronic sensors are attached to their brains.
By varying the hormone levels, mainly by injecting hormones into the brain, they have had “considerable success” in altering the rams’ sexuality, with some previously gay animals becoming attracted to ewes.
Professor Charles Roselli, the Health and Science University biologist leading the research, defended the project.
He said: “In general, sexuality has been under-studied because of political concerns. People don’t want science looking into what determines sexuality.
“It’s a touchy issue. In fact, several studies have shown that people who believe homosexuality is biologically based are less homophobic than people who think that this orientation is acquired.”
The research is being peer-reviewed by a panel of scientists in America, demonstrating that it is being taken seriously by the academic community.
Potentially, the techniques could one day be adapted for human use, with doctors perhaps being able to offer parents pre-natal tests to determine the likely sexuality of offspring or a hormonal treatment to change the orientation of a child.
Roselli has said he would be “uncomfortable” about parents choosing sexuality, but argues that it is up to policy makers to legislate on questions of ethics
Michael Bailey, a neurology professor at Northwestern University near Chicago, said: “Allowing parents to select their children’s sexual orientation would further a parent’s freedom to raise the sort of children they want to raise.”
Critics fear the findings could be abused.
Udo Schuklenk, Professor of Bioethics at Glasgow Caledonian University, who has written to the researchers pressing them to stop, said: “I don’t believe the motives of the study are homophobic, but their work brings the terrible possibility of exploitation by homophobic societies. Imagine this technology in the hands of Iran, for example.
“It is typical of the US to ignore the global context in which this is taking place.”
Peter Tatchell, the gay rights campaigner, said: “These experiments echo Nazi research in the early 1940s which aimed at eradicating homosexuality. They stink of eugenics. There is a danger that extreme homophobic regimes may try to use these experimental results to change the orientation of gay people.”
He said that the techniques being developed in sheep could in future allow parents to “play God”.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the pressure group, condemned the study as “a needless slaughter of animals, an affront to human dignity and a colossal waste of precious research funds”.
The tests on gay sheep are the latest in a long line of experiments seeking to alter the sexuality of humans and animals.
Günther Dorner, a scientist in the former East Berlin, carried out hormone-altering tests on rodents in the 1960s in the hope of finding a way to eradicate homosexuality.
In 2002, Simon LeVay, an American neurologist, claimed to have discovered that homosexual and heterosexual men had physically different brains. His tests on the corpses of gay men who had died of Aids were widely criticised.
From http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...4408_2,00.html
So, what do you think? Should this research be allowed to continue?
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Gay people are unnatural, and things that are strange should be eliminated!
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Don't care.
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[Insert well thought out dialogue proving you're a dumbass]
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It's like Hitler coming up for a miracle cure for Judaism. If people wanna' be gay, let 'em be gay :P
*Not saying Jews have a choice :P
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Günther Dorner sounds like the name of a gay person.
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I THINK ALL RAMS SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE.
Seriously though, they're just animals. Surely mankind has something better to do with that science fund?
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****ing ridiculous
someone should tell scientists to stfu.
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Kinda funny, people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to eliminate a choice of sexuality.
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I've always thought you should be aloud to decide what goes into your body, which is why I'm against anti-drug laws.. but, ram penors.. well laws don't apply to rams.
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How about I invent a cure that will make you prefer smooth peanut butter over crunchy.
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Originally posted by Darrellito
Kinda funny, people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to eliminate a choice of sexuality.
FROM ANIMALS.
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I hear gay pigs make the best sasuage. I could be wrong though.
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Right now, things like turning gay rams straight are 'unethical', because of our society's ties to civilizations long past that couldn't even conceive of things like genetic engineering. However, I believe that in the next 30 years or so, we're going to have a major societal upheaval, which will change our morals and ethics substantially.
But on topic, I personally think that this could be a useful development - for example, they could artificially induce mating in endangered species to increase their numbers with this kind of technology. But without the first few steps of controversy, nothing would ever be invented, so we should be congratulating these scientists, not insulting and criticizing them.
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I say let em' do it. I can see this getting out of hand though.
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I think this thing would be alright as long as they stick with animals and don't go trying to make gay people straight.
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Originally posted by Revolution911
How about I invent a cure that will make you prefer smooth peanut butter over crunchy.
Clearly impossible
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Originally posted by MrMister
Originally posted by Revolution911
How about I invent a cure that will make you prefer smooth peanut butter over crunchy.
Clearly impossible[/B]
Yeah, only cause crunchy is badass.
(I dont know if you got the joke or not.)
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I am backed on christian morals and I was taught that gays go to hell for this unforgivable sin. So I say continue with the resaerch so that they may be able to have the sin forgiven and be hable to go to heaven. Spritural reasons aside. Gays digust me so on with the research! Besides most scientists don't care about god.
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There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
As insulting a statement to whatever religion it applies to, this is also correct. Just as there is no proof that there is/isn't a God, neither is there evidence that there is/isn't a flying toilet that created all life.
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I am backed on christian morals and I was taught that gays go to hell for this unforgivable sin. So I say continue with the resaerch so that they may be able to have the sin forgiven and be hable to go to heaven. Spritural reasons aside. Gays digust me so on with the research! Besides most scientists don't care about god.
AND JUST WHEN you thought there was no lower than Rock Bottom, YOU BRING A SHOVEL!
I have a personal question, EH76. Are you a type of person who lives by the bible word for word, or do you just select the bits you like and follow those out?
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I think our bodies are evidence of God..
Our circulatory systems were clearly a result of intelligent design..
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Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
Well, no matter how much you link it there is no proof of evolution. For all we know we could have been like this in the first place and there could have been 1000's of different human things that sucked. Saying they're all linked is just as much speculation as saying God exists.
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
As insulting a statement to whatever religion it applies to, this is also correct. Just as there is no proof that there is/isn't a God, neither is there evidence that there is/isn't a flying toilet that created all life.
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I am backed on christian morals and I was taught that gays go to hell for this unforgivable sin. So I say continue with the resaerch so that they may be able to have the sin forgiven and be hable to go to heaven. Spritural reasons aside. Gays digust me so on with the research! Besides most scientists don't care about god.
AND JUST WHEN you thought there was no lower than Rock Bottom, YOU BRING A SHOVEL!
I have a personal question, EH76. Are you a type of person who lives by the bible word for word, or do you just select the bits you like and follow those out?
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No the bible like any old text is too cryptic to understand or believe word by word, and as with any old text, most sayings and values do go out with the times. I base most of my values off of the ten commandmants. So the second part of your question is true I only follow the bits that are true to my life and values. There is a contradiction here for we including myself are hyprocytes for we say god's name in vain. And we commit adultery by devorsing a wife. But times have changed so most of the ten don't apply as much as they used to unless you want to be a priest lol. i am hyprocytal when it comes to the creation story. I believe in evolution and in the creation. More as a combination not one or the other. I do not think we came from apes mind you, we evolved on our own i.e. God created us to evolve as one distinct species not form another.
The bible stated that when a man and a woman gets married They become one person... one flesh (think of that as becoming one in the bed lol. Serously.) Then they create new life (birth). This one thing here is why I say go on with the research. It is not playing God it is God's will.
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You're a college student and have a hard time spelling political and divorcing?
You shall have no other gods before Me
I am the only God
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God
Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy
Honor your father and your mother
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet your neighbor's house
So, did you just discover the missing commandment in your backyard saying that fags are going to hell? Because I'm pretty sure there aren't any phrases explicitly against it. I know of a few, but they can be interpreted in so many ways any actual use in discussion is ludicrous.
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It actually says something somewhere in Leviticus about homosexuality.. but it also says that you should stone adulterers.
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Originally posted by elementalhero76
Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
As insulting a statement to whatever religion it applies to, this is also correct. Just as there is no proof that there is/isn't a God, neither is there evidence that there is/isn't a flying toilet that created all life.
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I am backed on christian morals and I was taught that gays go to hell for this unforgivable sin. So I say continue with the resaerch so that they may be able to have the sin forgiven and be hable to go to heaven. Spritural reasons aside. Gays digust me so on with the research! Besides most scientists don't care about god.
AND JUST WHEN you thought there was no lower than Rock Bottom, YOU BRING A SHOVEL!
I have a personal question, EH76. Are you a type of person who lives by the bible word for word, or do you just select the bits you like and follow those out?
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No the bible like any old text is too cryptic to understand or believe word by word, and as with any old text, most sayings and values do go out with the times. I base most of my values off of the ten commandmants. So the second part of your question is true I only follow the bits that are true to my life and values. There is a contradiction here for we including myself are hyprocytes for we say god's name in vain. And we commit adultery by devorsing a wife. But times have changed so most of the ten don't apply as much as they used to unless you want to be a priest lol. i am hyprocytal when it comes to the creation story. I believe in evolution and in the creation. More as a combination not one or the other. I do not think we came from apes mind you, we evolved on our own i.e. God created us to evolve as one distinct species not form another.
The bible stated that when a man and a woman gets married They become one person... one flesh (think of that as becoming one in the bed lol. Serously.) Then they create new life (birth). This one thing here is why I say go on with the research. It is not playing God it is God's will.[/B]
The whole "Gays are bad, they are a sin OMFG!" comes from the Leviticus, the precursor to the Bible. It was in the same part of the book that also said that eating Shrimp is a sin, that women menstrating is a sin, and that writing on oneself is a sin.
Also, when Jesus came about, he pretty much said "Screw all that other stuff, if you believe in me, you go to heaven!"
So yeah, if you're going with the "Bible Power!" side on homosexuality, you have nothing backing you up.
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Peope need to stop living their lives based on religion. You only live once (so we know). So why not enjoy it and stop worring what some being who may or may not exist. You wanna be gay? Go right ahead. What you and your lover do is between you and god, not some bible thumpers that think they're god's servants. It also says that god will take care of the blastphimist it the bible as well. People need to quit trying to push their religions off on other people.
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Daetyrnis got it down flat.
There are some sections that could be interpreted as homosexuality being bad like the Sodom and Ghemorrah (sp?) and Nebecanezzer (God KNOWS I spelled that wrong).
Still even if you push it, those were rapes. This is the same stuff you hear about in prison. In the first case, a bunch of gays decided to burn down an inn because they wanted these two travelers (If the word "know" counts the same as "lie with"). In the other story, the king threatened to burn people if he didn't get his triple-incest. (Where the three guys brothers? I don't remember.)
Plus the bible doesn't condem lesbians. Only the buttsex. Then you get into the predestination thing, yada yada yada, it just gets crazy.
I say let God deal with it. If he really wanted to kill the gay people, Aids should've worked by now. Let's hope there won't be another Nazi situation. If God likes gays, leave em' alone. If he doesn't, he doesn't.
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
Originally posted by elementalhero76
Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
As insulting a statement to whatever religion it applies to, this is also correct. Just as there is no proof that there is/isn't a God, neither is there evidence that there is/isn't a flying toilet that created all life.
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I am backed on christian morals and I was taught that gays go to hell for this unforgivable sin. So I say continue with the resaerch so that they may be able to have the sin forgiven and be hable to go to heaven. Spritural reasons aside. Gays digust me so on with the research! Besides most scientists don't care about god.
AND JUST WHEN you thought there was no lower than Rock Bottom, YOU BRING A SHOVEL!
I have a personal question, EH76. Are you a type of person who lives by the bible word for word, or do you just select the bits you like and follow those out?
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No the bible like any old text is too cryptic to understand or believe word by word, and as with any old text, most sayings and values do go out with the times. I base most of my values off of the ten commandmants. So the second part of your question is true I only follow the bits that are true to my life and values. There is a contradiction here for we including myself are hyprocytes for we say god's name in vain. And we commit adultery by devorsing a wife. But times have changed so most of the ten don't apply as much as they used to unless you want to be a priest lol. i am hyprocytal when it comes to the creation story. I believe in evolution and in the creation. More as a combination not one or the other. I do not think we came from apes mind you, we evolved on our own i.e. God created us to evolve as one distinct species not form another.
The bible stated that when a man and a woman gets married They become one person... one flesh (think of that as becoming one in the bed lol. Serously.) Then they create new life (birth). This one thing here is why I say go on with the research. It is not playing God it is God's will.[/B]
The whole "Gays are bad, they are a sin OMFG!" comes from the Leviticus, the precursor to the Bible. It was in the same part of the book that also said that eating Shrimp is a sin, that women menstrating is a sin, and that writing on oneself is a sin.
Also, when Jesus came about, he pretty much said "Screw all that other stuff, if you believe in me, you go to heaven!"
So yeah, if you're going with the "Bible Power!" side on homosexuality, you have nothing backing you up.[/B]
Ok wait just a minuate! Jesus said as long as you believe in me ...
Yeah he said that of couse. Jesus didn't say screw all that. of course he rebuked the fact that menstrating and masterbating is sinful. (masterbating prevents adultery) he did not recount the fact that being gay is sinful, but now it could be forgiven if they believe in him otherwise it is lost. He still believed in some the old ways of the old testament. The last thing I said he still believed in. Man and Woman are to become married and become one flesh (figurative speach for intercourse) so that they may bring the human race to the next generation. so being gay is wrong but can be forguiven devorse although wrong is legal (in the old testament it can only happen if the marrage was unlawful a.k.a. incest), and gay marrage is still uneffical according to him.
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So, by your opinions, you pick and choose what parts you believe in and make up things Jesus may have said and count or discount his statements at will? Interesting process yeh got thar.
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1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Right from the flippin' bible.
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Eh, why don't you just admit your a homophobe? God doesn't seem to mind the gays. Only stupid bigits do. They hide behind God so they can say what they want to say without feeling bad.
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Originally posted by Black Massacre
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Right from the flippin' bible.
Right there that is what I took from the bible. The new testament Ha! Now find somewhat to what I said: It is in mathew 19 1-12 That disscusses divorse. But I did had its meaning towards to gay marrige too. Maybe I was wrong there. This passsage discusses that it is unlawful to divorse for god created one man and one woman to marry and become one flesh if you divorse it makes it not two into one but one into one flesh. Devores only applied if it was unlawful (the marrage.)
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lol
All this over rams ****ing other rams....
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Yep we are having it too far overblown. I love the internet it brings all sorts of people together to lash out as if they all want to eat each other alive.
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Hehehe... Gay "Rams"
I'm freaking hilarious.
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Originally posted by Darrellito
Eh, why don't you just admit your a homophobe? God doesn't seem to mind the gays. Only stupid bigits do. They hide behind God so they can say what they want to say without feeling bad.
Hahaha, more points for you.
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Originally posted by Black Massacre
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
Romans 1:24-27
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Seeing as how the word homosexual wasn't used until the 19th century, it is impossible to attain a translation of the word from old hebrew, therefore quote 1 shows a bias in translation that for all we know changed the who quote. Disqualified.
Quote 2 could easily be related to haveing relations with a sinful whore, not neccessarily one of the same sex.
The first half of quote three could relate to having sex with animals. The due penalty may not be damnation, but could easily refer to something as simple as getting kicked in the groin.
No matter how it condemns being a queer, specification as to the punishment is never revealed. Saying gay will put you in heaven is ludicrous.
Stop being such a homophobe. I was gunna call you a faggy dicklick, but I'll such language to MrMister.
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If you only follow bits an pieces of a religion then dont go off quoting it... just shows how much of a dumb*** you can be and brings a bad name to religion itself...just as bad as racism... Yea I'm religious but I'm not going to pressure or go quoting it cause I still have my questions about it....
But yea putting religion aside though it does have some effect to my opinion...
If scientist want to keep gay animals straight then good its there choice but I doubt its going to get to the point of their extinction, but them doing it for humans idk a waste of money?, seriously doubt we're dumb enough to allow ourselves to the point of extinction...I hope...but hell I'd rather it be natural reproduction than artificial means for our survival....if some gays want to have sex then thats their choice and doubt any of them are going to use w/e scientist come up with to keep them straight..all that is going to do is allow others to force their beliefs on others more...
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-looks at homophobe bible freaks-
Huh.
And some people wonder why I choose not to follow the 'good book' -_-;;
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Originally posted by Meiscool
There is no such thing as God. Saying there is a God is as plausible as saying a flying toilet created all life.
Well, no matter how much you link it there is no proof of evolution. For all we know we could have been like this in the first place and there could have been 1000's of different human things that sucked. Saying they're all linked is just as much speculation as saying God exists.[/B]
I never stated that I believe a retarded fishfrog grew legs and had hairy babies. I do think some sort of evolution exsists, but not something as extreem as humans originally starting out as fish. However, there has been an extreem amount of proof to support that birds came from lizards, which came from fish, so that might point something out.
Also, yes, evolution has been proven. There was a huge debate about it in the courts. Regardless if the theories of evolution are true or false, its been legally proven, which is enough for me.
I don't really have a theory as to why we exsist. I don't like to ponder such things. People waste their entire lives trying to find the answer to questions that are opinionated.
EDIT: Eh, y u h8 ghey pepole?
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I'd like to see a theory on why we DON'T exist.
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Meis, the Scopes trial didn't prove evolution existed. That entire trial was over the right to TEACH the theory of evolution as an accepted THEORY. Plus Scopes lost that trial. Any later trials I regarding it are the same, over the right to teach it as a theory, not as a fact. There is no such thing proof of a theory. They have supporting evidence, but proof never applies to theories.
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"Proof never applies to theories."
Though true, its a shallow statement. Math is pretty much 100% theories, yet, everything is accepted to be true. You clearly said that almost all forms of math and problem solving in both numbers and science are not facts because they arn't 100% proven.
Also, in another thread, some time ago (I think it was the one where DragonBlaze had a fit that we didn't believe time could be manuplated), you stated that nothing can be 100% factually correct. What do you want then ZKX? You say without proof theories can't be 100% correct and hence you won't believe them, and you'll only accept a theory if its proven, yet you say that nothing can be 100% proven true in the term of a law.
I'm this sounds really dumb, meh, I'm tired. Gnight'
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Originally posted by Osmose
Hehehe... Gay "Rams"
I'm freaking hilarious.
omfgh
like peen
goin in2 butt O_O
hahahahhahehehehfeaiii
lamooo
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Originally posted by MrMister
Gay people are unnatural, and things that are strange should be eliminated!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Don't really care much about homosexuality, live and let live I suppose. I will only go against something if it harms innocent people.
However this research is interesting, it may help improve some standards, even if it is not used for altering hormonal balances, it is still another step closer to seeing how the brain really works.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
"Proof never applies to theories."
Though true, its a shallow statement. Math is pretty much 100% theories, yet, everything is accepted to be true. You clearly said that almost all forms of math and problem solving in both numbers and science are not facts because they arn't 100% proven.
Also, in another thread, some time ago (I think it was the one where DragonBlaze had a fit that we didn't believe time could be manuplated), you stated that nothing can be 100% factually correct. What do you want then ZKX? You say without proof theories can't be 100% correct and hence you won't believe them, and you'll only accept a theory if its proven, yet you say that nothing can be 100% proven true in the term of a law.
I'm this sounds really dumb, meh, I'm tired. Gnight'
First off, I don't believe myself to have ever said math is a theory, as there is no hypothesis on math. We created math, we didn't create an explanation for it.
As for theories, I never accept theories as proof. I will accept a theory as a more plausible explanation than another theory, but that's about it. Perhaps I may have spoken myself poorly, I'm too lazy to read the old topic. If we were dealing with DB, I probably just rephrased the same thing 1000 times in hopes he would understand. By saying no theory is ever 100%, that was pretty much another way of saying theories are never law.
Too be honest, I am having a rather difficult time comprehending your post. Asnwering it is like solving a rubix cube: simple, but hard to go about.
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Originally posted by Ryan914
Don't really care much about homosexuality, live and let live I suppose. I will only go against something if it harms innocent people.
However this research is interesting, it may help improve some standards, even if it is not used for altering hormonal balances, it is still another step closer to seeing how the brain really works.
DOODE Do you know what this means!!!
They can finally cure ZeroKirbyX.
OH SNAPS!
J/k
(not really)
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That's really bad,... just look at my profile
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I personally think this sounds a lot like X-men 3... *in best Magneto voice* They will strike first blood..
No, I personally believe this is a good idea. For a parent, finding out their child is homosexual is a horrible thing. It's like losing a child, or at least the future. Finding out that you will never have grandchildren is devastating to parents. If this becomes available to the general public, it could potentially wipe out gays, because parents would not want their child to be homosexual.
Mind you, I don't care either way. I personally think they should continue with the research, and see what it can lead to. There are many things that we could learn from this that could help both our culture and other cultures, as the statement claiming that homosexual rams are not worth any money.
And ZKX there is a quote in the bible, I'd have to search for it. "A man shall not lay with another man as he should with a woman, or he shall face eternal damnation. As well, a man shall not share a bed with an animal lest he also face damnation" Now, the actual wording is probably slightly different, but that is what it said. I attended a Christian high school, and had to take religion for 14 years (Junior Kindergarden to Gr 12) not to mention that my parents are religious and go to church weekly. I myself am not religious, and I also do not favour the church's views on many issues.
I personally believe everyone has the right to make their own choices. (bold so you don't miss it)
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I'd like to note that what you think a theory is and what science thinks a theory is are two different degrees of validity. A theory for us is something that might be proven. For science, that's a hypothesis.
However, it takes a crapload of verifiable proof for something to even qualify as a theory. Science holds itself to super-high expectations, and that evolution has gotten all the way to theory means that for decades scientists have been finding proof of evolution and documenting such proof, while very little has come to life that can disprove the theory. It takes a lot for something to be a theory in the scientific community.
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The only reason they're coming up with this 'homosexual cure' is for farm animals. If a farm animal, such as a ram, doesn't mate with ewes and make offspring, then it's virtually useless. Eliminateing the gay's life choice would be like telling us who we could date and marry. I think that this thing is as dumb as cosmetic surgery. Being gay will not kill you. There is no reason to 'cure' it.
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It should be noted that the bible that says that the gays will be damned for however long is the same bible that says women < men; they should remain silent and never teach. Who wants to listen to the bible?
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Originally posted by elementalhero76
No the bible like any old text is too cryptic to understand or believe word by word, and as with any old text, most sayings and values do go out with the times. I base most of my values off of the ten commandmants.
Then you're a Jew, not a Christian. The Ten Commandments reside in what Christians refer to as the "Old Testament" which is, in fact, the Hebrew Torah. Good job, Jewmongerer. You fail at religion.
Dear elementalhero76,
No one wants to hear what you believe or your retarded opinions. Why not take all that dirt that just came out of your mouth and bury yourself with it?
P.S. Jesus loves everyone. Except you.
Sincerely,
-God
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Originally posted by Osmose
I'd like to note that what you think a theory is and what science thinks a theory is are two different degrees of validity. A theory for us is something that might be proven. For science, that's a hypothesis.
However, it takes a crapload of verifiable proof for something to even qualify as a theory. Science holds itself to super-high expectations, and that evolution has gotten all the way to theory means that for decades scientists have been finding proof of evolution and documenting such proof, while very little has come to life that can disprove the theory. It takes a lot for something to be a theory in the scientific community.
They that I have been learning it for 3 years is that scientific theories (such as evolution) never have PROOF. They gain applicable evidence which supports the theory, but no proof that ever only applies in one way is non-existent, as evidence to a theory can always be used in ways that don't apply to the theory. If that's not the case, I have had consecutively stupid teachers.
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Quit word-picking, ZeroKirby. We all know Osmose meant "evidence" and not "proof".
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Originally posted by Blue_Strife
-looks at homophobe bible freaks-
Huh.
And some people wonder why I choose not to follow the 'good book' -_-;;
Please, do not live your life by text. I don't live my life according to the lord of the rings books, and they're about as proven as the bible.
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I never said I live my life by texts. O_o
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In fact, he said the opposite. You have the observation skills of a cheese sandwich.
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Hmm, it seems Trev pwned an idiot. Again.
If people want to be gay, let them. They'll have to put up with people calling them faggots anyway.
"As well, a man shall not share a bed with an animal lest he also face damnation"
*Adds to list of reasons why Alabama is Hell*
EDIT: Lawl, same time post.
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Originally posted by Blue_Strife
I never said I live my life by texts. O_o
I didn't mean it that way. Too many people are living their lives by the bible though. I only quoted you cause you said you don't follow the good book.
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Why hate gay people? Hell, more chicks for you ; )
EDIT:
Also, can't religious people believe in that evolution is part of God's almighty plan?
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There are those who do. But I don't really care for it. Science can poke out theories but they don't offer actual answers. They show how it works, or how it might have worked, but can only argue about why. In this case to really know they'd have to been there, in which case they'd have to be a long living immortal. Are they? I don't think so. But just in case I'm getting my Highlander sword and just in case one of them are I'll get a piece of it.
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Originally posted by Darkfox
There are those who do. But I don't really care for it. Science can poke out theories but they don't offer actual answers. They show how it works, or how it might have worked, but can only argue about why. In this case to really know they'd have to been there, in which case they'd have to be a long living immortal. Are they? I don't think so. But just in case I'm getting my Highlander sword and just in case one of them are I'll get a piece of it.
And religion has actual answers and proof? No, they don't.
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Scientist: "Okay... on one hand we can use this millions in order to find true solutions to health issues. On the other hand we waste it in order to 'heal' homosexuality. I'll see what to do after I hit myself with this hammer a thousand times."
Seriously, why don't those friggin' scientists do some research in things that really matter???????!!!!!!!!!
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, it's a choice, not a sickness that has to be healed.
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Originally posted by Kinslayer
Scientist: "Okay... on one hand we can use this millions in order to find true solutions to health issues. On the other hand we waste it in order to 'heal' homosexuality. I'll see what to do after I hit myself with this hammer a thousand times."
Seriously, why don't those friggin' scientists do some research in things that really matter???????!!!!!!!!!
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, it's a choice, not a sickness that has to be healed.
+1.
"We have good news and bad news. The bad news is that we haven't found a cure for cancer, so many people are going to die. The good news is we spent all our money on developing a cure for homosexuality, which isn't a disease or need to be treated!"
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Ahh. Agreeing with me is fine then. :P
Too many people blindly follow the bible, and don't even question it period. It's quite sad, really. I'm a little creeped out by the people who aren't at LEAST a slight bit skeptic about following it to a T. I look at God like a kid with an antfarm (If there is a God), carrying out his will or not is pointless. If he's there, he obviously doesn't care.
Right now though, neither Science nor Religion can prove that they're right (at least to the best of my knowledge). They can easily SAY they're right, but like Darkfox said, they'd have to have been there; the bible can't really count (in my opinion), because who's to say the pen didn't change hands, and if not that, who said they weren't being influenced?
It's like one giant over opinionated life long debate. >_>
EDIT:: On topic, I say if people want to be gay, let them be gay. It's their choice--no need to be complete elitists about it, nor treat it like it's some kind of disease, which it isn't. -_-
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Why don't scientists spend their time solving the mysteries of life instead of "curing" gayness? Like the mystery of where the bread goes after you put it in the toaster and toast comes out.
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Here's my opinion:
The bible was made (more or less put together) more than 2 thousand years ago. It may have BEEN god's word, but with so much time gone by, so many events, so many variables in this equation. Old and New Testaments, translation issues, bias opinions, and downright dirty dealing, I choose to personally not rely on the bible. I accept it's possible that there's a god, but I also accept it's not. I say, we'll find out when we die, so I'll jsut go through with my life doing the best I can and wait till I die to find out what happens.
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Originally posted by Darkfox
There are those who do. But I don't really care for it. Science can poke out theories but they don't offer actual answers. They show how it works, or how it might have worked, but can only argue about why. In this case to really know they'd have to been there, in which case they'd have to be a long living immortal. Are they? I don't think so. But just in case I'm getting my Highlander sword and just in case one of them are I'll get a piece of it.
There can be only one...
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1. I've counted already three people, just by skimming the topic, referring to sexuality as a preference, a choice. It is not, otherwise people could just change their sexuality at will; which they can't. The issue that started this topic even discredits that, as it is about the discovery of something that predetermines the animal's sexuality. That means our sexuality is hard-coded into everyone of us, and isn't chosen.
2. If you're against homosexuals, just stop. It doesn't affect you, so why bother. It is natural, otherwise homosexuality would not be present in animals other than humans. Why should you care so much about what someone else does in bed? It doesn't affect you.
3. If you're quoting and trying to use the Bible as proof, you could just as well quote Harry Potter or The Cat in the Hat. The only differences are that the Bible is obviously of a different type of fiction (religious), and the Bible is apparently the oldest book. First, age doesn't equate into reliability, end of story. Second, the Bible has been edited countless times over the centuries, and has been translated into the language you are quoting: English. The version you read is not the word of God. It is a censored text that has been translated (which will always distort meaning) and changed to suit a few powerful people's liking.
4. The Christian God be neither proven nor disproven. He is said to be beyond our contemplation (scientifically speaking, God may be purely a higher-dimensional being, see String Theory). Any religious idol or deity is followed by faith, not by evidence or proof.
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Well said.
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I agree with one and four. About 3 why then we use only the bible to srown in people i.e. the courts? Why not use the jewish torrah (old testament first five books) or the koran?
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Originally posted by elementalhero76
I agree with one and four. About 3 why then we use only the bible to srown in people i.e. the courts? Why not use the jewish torrah (old testament first five books) or the koran?
I asume srown is swear, if it is not, then please correct me.
That is only America, us Canadians don't do that, which is politically correct and does not discriminate against religion, as is laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The flaws of the American legal courts means nothing for religion.
EDIT: I noticed you didn't comment about 2, what is your opinion of that point?
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Right... Last time I looked this was a topic on whether or not it was right, not whether or not the dudes who wrote the bible thought it was right... _sweat_
If you went back and got those clever people who wrote it, and brought them to our time, they wouldn't believe their moral stories had lasted so long.
I have mixed views on this anyway. An embryo doesn't know it's being turned straight, so is there a problem? Even if this does spread to humans, they won't be turning existing gays straight. If you grew up and then were told by your parents that you got altered, you wouldn't think "Oh god how could they? I could have been doing men and now I'm stuck with these breasted individuals and they cost a fortune!!!
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I agree with one and four. About 3 why then we use only the bible to srown in people i.e. the courts? Why not use the jewish torrah (old testament first five books) or the koran?
I asume srown is swear, if it is not, then please correct me.
That is only America, us Canadians don't do that, which is politically correct and does not discriminate against religion, as is laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The flaws of the American legal courts means nothing for religion.
EDIT: I noticed you didn't comment about 2, what is your opinion of that point?[/B]
Lets not get into another rant about that one.
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Originally posted by elementalhero76
Originally posted by Daetyrnis
Originally posted by elementalhero76
I agree with one and four. About 3 why then we use only the bible to srown in people i.e. the courts? Why not use the jewish torrah (old testament first five books) or the koran?
I asume srown is swear, if it is not, then please correct me.
That is only America, us Canadians don't do that, which is politically correct and does not discriminate against religion, as is laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The flaws of the American legal courts means nothing for religion.
EDIT: I noticed you didn't comment about 2, what is your opinion of that point?[/B]
Lets not get into another rant about that one.[/B]
Considering that's what the main topics about more or less... Yes, lets.
And despite whether or not it's a choice or hard coded, that still doesn't necessarily give us a right to tamper with it (Elitism, gene alteration, etc...).
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There's no point in arguing with anyone on charas. They're all morons. The select few in this thread who have a brain were able to whoop out some serious pwnage on the morons. Let's just end it there. Morons never have a good comeback.
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
2. If you're against homosexuals, just stop. It doesn't affect you, so why bother. It is natural, otherwise homosexuality would not be present in animals other than humans. Why should you care so much about what someone else does in bed? It doesn't affect you.
That is such a perfectly good point I think it won the thread. It occurs naturally in nature, therefore its natural. Didn't "God" make nature?
Also, +1000 points to RotD.
Originally posted by elementalhero76
Lets not get into another rant about that one.
Opinions make the world a funner place. Hows about it?
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Enough, Trevlac. Even people you think are stupid deserve common respect, or at least your pity.
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*pops eventually* How the hell is this thread still going on? Major fail right here. *departs*
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It's funny how people get pissed off so easy. I stopped trying to have real arguments months ago, it's funnier to spout utter bullshit and see how many people get worked up.
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Yesterday during my lunch break at work, I had an indepth conversation with two devoted christians. Its interesting to listen to people you feel strongly about their religion. By what they said, the holy bible's interrpretation is between you and God. What you read and interpret is for only you and God. It was also to interesitng to listen to them discuss ideas of hell etc and for them to give me a better understanding about what christian teachings a bullshit and what teachings are generally correct. Apparantly they were telling me that for a person to go to heaven, that believing only in the lord christ shopuld be enough to allow you into heaven. However, I think both had different opinions as one stated what I already said whilst the other said the only way to go to heaven is to be one with the holy spirit.
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Originally posted by Osmose
Enough, Trevlac. Even people you think are stupid deserve common respect, or at least your pity.
enough is enough, is enough is enough I can't go on I can't go on no more now
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Originally posted by MrMister
Originally posted by Osmose
Enough, Trevlac. Even people you think are stupid deserve common respect, or at least your pity.
enough is enough, is enough is enough I can't go on I can't go on no more now[/B]
The world is not enough. But it is such a perfect place to start, my love. And if you're strong enough, together we can take the world apart my love.
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Round 3... fight!
PS: I'm staying out of this one.
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
(Yeah I know, No Logic)
Yes the religious peeps don't approve of gays but you people must understand, it's all in how you look at it. Most people are just saying what they were told and in some way had someone shape their belief
for them. Lucky me I am not one of those people.
They say there's like what? 20,000 religions of whatever. I say their's as many religions as their is people on this earth.
Everyone has a different way of looking at something even if they arrive at the same answer even the other way around.
So in other words, let's all hold hands.
*posspam*
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
****, you've personally been enslaved? That's illegal you know. You should totally lawyer that place up.
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The Sacred Band of Thebes (ancient Greek: Ιερός Λόχος τών Θηβών; ἱερὸς λόχος hieròs lókhos) was a troop of picked soldiers, numbering 150 homosexual couples, which formed the elite force of the Theban army in late-classical Greece. The reasoning behind the Sacred Band was that lovers would fight more fiercely and more cohesively at each other's sides than would strangers with no philadelphic bonds.
It was organized in 378 BC by the Theban commander Gorgidas. His inspiration, according to Plutarch (in his Life of Pelopidas[1]), came from Plato’s Symposium, wherein the character Phaedrus remarks:
And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world. For what lover would not choose rather to be seen by all mankind than by his beloved, either when abandoning his post or throwing away his arms? He would be ready to die a thousand deaths rather than endure this. Or who would desert his beloved or fail him in the hour of danger?
The Sacred Band originally was formed of picked men in couples, each lover with his beloved, selected from the ranks of the existing Theban citizen-army. They were housed and trained at the city’s expense.[3] During their early engagements, in an attempt to bolster a general morale, they were dispersed by their commander Gorgidas throughout the front ranks of the Theban army.
After the Theban general Pelopidas recaptured the acropolis of Thebes in 379 BC, he assumed command of the Sacred Band in which he fought alongside his good friend, Epaminondas. It was Pelopidas who formed these couples into a distinct unit: he “never separated or scattered them, but would stand [them with himself in] the brunt of battle, using them as one body.”[4] They became, in effect, the “crack” force of Greek soldiery [5], and the forty years of their known existence (378 – 338 BC) marked the pre-eminence of Thebes as a military and political power in late-classical Greece.
The Sacred Band under Pelopidas fought the Spartans in Tegyra, vanquishing an army that was at least three times their number. It was also responsible for the victory of Leuctra in 371 BC, called by Pausanias the most decisive battle ever fought by Greeks against Greeks. Leuctra established Theban independence from Spartan rule, and laid the groundwork for the expansion of Theban power, though possibly also for Philip II's eventual victory.
Defeat came at the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC), the decisive contest in which Philip II of Macedon (with his son, Alexander the Great, as he would later be known) extinguished the authority of the Greek city-states. The traditional Greek hoplite infantry were no match for the novel long-speared Macedonian phalanx: the Theban army and its allies broke and fled, but the Sacred Band, though surrounded and overwhelmed, refused to surrender. They held their ground and fell where they stood. Plutarch records that upon encountering their corpses “heaped one upon another”, King Philip, understanding who they were, exclaimed:
"Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly."
Though Plutarch claims that all three hundred died that day, other writers[citation needed] claim that two hundred and fifty-four died and all the rest were wounded. That claim was substantiated upon the excavation of their communal grave at Chaeronea in the early 1800s[citation needed], in which two hundred and fifty-four skeletons were found, arranged in seven rows.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_thebes
Alexander the Great may not have been the soldier he was if he was straight.
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
****, you've personally been enslaved? That's illegal you know. You should totally lawyer that place up.[/B]
pwned.
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
****, you've personally been enslaved? That's illegal you know. You should totally lawyer that place up.[/B]
We have all been inslaved, my son, tricked into paying for college half our lives.
Believing one thing is one way but a few men at a table override this.
Coke
(oh yes, lots of coke, I love coke)
and females, not allowing me to bang other females (oh men)
Taxes.. and unheard of fees to the govt.
insurance
and much more.
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
****, you've personally been enslaved? That's illegal you know. You should totally lawyer that place up.[/B]
We have all been inslaved, my son, tricked into paying for college half our lives.
Believing one thing is one way but a few men at a table override this.
Coke
(oh yes, lots of coke, I love coke)
and females, not allowing me to bang other females (oh men)
Taxes.. and unheard of fees to the govt.
insurance
and much more.
[/B]
That is done to all people, not just black people.
Nor are those ever proclaimed as cures.
:p
Originally posted by SoftCell
[long post]
Good quote, but you haven't posted your view on the issue.
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Originally posted by Osmose
Enough, Trevlac. Even people you think are stupid deserve common respect, or at least your pity.
Hokay, I guess they do deserve my pity...at least. I'll start with you then Moosie, *hands Moose his pity* Take good care of her!
Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
Smo, that just made my day. L.o.L.
Don't forget the blax in Africa who sold their relatives to the white enslavers.
Originally posted by Daetyrnis
Originally posted by SoftCell
[long post]
Good quote, but you haven't posted your view on the issue.[/B]
That's because he copypasted it. I saw that on theonion.com a couple weeks ago.
Also, I think SoftCell might be Raffles.
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lol ramz r so gay.
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Good to know where our taxes are going. Fags.
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I think Bush might try to weaponize that and make a war campaign against the gay community. Because he's a jerk.
I think those might come in handy in prison, if you don't want to be someone's bitch.
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Originally posted by Emerates
I think Bush might try to weaponize that and make a war campaign against the gay community. Because he's a jerk.
I think those might come in handy in prison, if you don't want to be someone's bitch.
The top part has to be the dumbest thing I've heard you say.
The bottom part: Wouldn't make any difference. Molly the black man doesn't do it because he's gay, he just really wants some pussy, and Marvin's *** is better than his hand.
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Oh yeah. I can soooo picture Bush going to war with homosexuals.
President:"Fire the missiles!"
Peon: "Firing missile."
Gay guy: *bends over* "right here boys!"
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
I'll just say this, gays don't feel bad. White people don't like the fact that I'm black and tried to cure me and called it slavery.
****, you've personally been enslaved? That's illegal you know. You should totally lawyer that place up.
We have all been inslaved, my son, tricked into paying for college half our lives.
Believing one thing is one way but a few men at a table override this.
Coke
(oh yes, lots of coke, I love coke)
and females, not allowing me to bang other females (oh men)
Taxes.. and unheard of fees to the govt.
insurance
and much more.
That is done to all people, not just black people.
Nor are those ever proclaimed as cures.
:p
of course of course, cures....yeah...having sex with chicks to get rid o anger is consider a cure for rage but it works sometimes. lol
razor note: omg what the hell is wrong with your quote posting
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And the mods moved my "Problem" thread about quote bugs too....
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Originally posted by Meiscool
And the mods moved my "Problem" thread about quote bugs too....
I got lazy and fixed it the lazy way.
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To be fair, a bug report belongs much more in Sanctuary then it does in AoA. I think. Probably.
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all I did was remove most of the quote brackets.
I guess that bug comes from too many tags or no closing tags, yes?
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No closing tags.
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LOL.
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you know what im talkin about u homo.
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lol, I think my dog is gay. All she does when any dog comes around (including male dogs) is try and mount them. I kinda creeps me out. But she seems like the same dog to me.
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Originally posted by Darrellito
lol, I think my dog is gay. All she does when any dog comes around (including male dogs) is try and mount them.
What.
Well I would say it is weird that a female is trying to mount, probably not really gay if she's going after males.
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Well, I think she tries to mount them cause they did it to her, and she's trying to simulate the experience.