Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 08:40:18 AM
And, I don't know why. Apparently it happened some time after you all went to sleep.
Post by: Weregnome on January 23, 2007, 08:57:23 AM
Post by: Robotam Plus on January 23, 2007, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 10:35:56 AM
And guys, if we -can't- fix this... let me be the one who remakes the pub.
And where in the name of ****ing jesus christ is the sticky to mod actions? The thread's been deleted, and I don't have that link.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on January 23, 2007, 12:16:36 PM
Someone's got some 'splaining to do... _veryangry_
EDIT: And now It's back.. but empty.
Post by: Robotam Plus on January 23, 2007, 12:19:19 PM
And actually, the logfile thread wasn't deleted, it was just moved to 'forum rules'.
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 12:47:58 PM
1. Warxe left his thing logged in and someone came along and had some fun.
2. Someone figured out Warxe's password.
3. Someone hacked Warxe's account.
4. ...
Post by: Robotam Plus on January 23, 2007, 12:48:21 PM
Post by: Apex on January 23, 2007, 01:12:43 PM
Hehehe....
Post by: GaryCXJk on January 23, 2007, 02:06:16 PM
Post by: Kinslayer on January 23, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
And yes, this is totally odd o_O
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 23, 2007, 02:40:28 PM
Post by: X_marks_the_ed on January 23, 2007, 02:43:37 PM
Almost certainly Warxe was haxxed.
Didn't Alex IP ban the one who hacked Robotam?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 23, 2007, 02:56:02 PM
Post by: Djanki on January 23, 2007, 03:18:58 PM
This uber-sucks.
The only good thing is that this is gonna be good to talk about for the 'Year In Review' topic that'll be made this December.....
....meh...
Post by: WarxePB on January 23, 2007, 03:55:51 PM
EDIT: I changed my password, so hopefully that helps. This account should probably be demodded though.
EDIT 2: The IP Check tool doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. I honestly have no idea what happened here.
Also, I admit that the "Go away n00b" thing was me, but that was just me being a jerk. Otherwise, I've been really busy in the past few days, so I haven't had much of a chance to post.
Post by: Dragonium on January 23, 2007, 04:11:24 PM
Odd. Very odd indeedy.
Personally I think we should wait a bit and see how this turns out. If it stops here, then evidently Warxe was hacked, and since he's changed his password now there's not much need for further action.
I might be wrong though. God knows how society works here on Charas any more.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 23, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
Have any idea who might have done it?
Post by: WarxePB on January 23, 2007, 04:26:56 PM
Other than hacking, the only thing I can think of is my sister. But my computer is right outside my room, so I probably would've heard her, and she probably doesn't know how to delete stuff anyways. Other than that, it pretty much implicates me as the murderer.
Post by: SaiKar on January 23, 2007, 04:31:34 PM
Post by: Apex on January 23, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
For all we know, it could have been a freak accident such as his sister happening to delete it, heck, there could have been a person who masked his ip as Warxe's to get him in trouble. It could have been a database error, seeing that all the threads delete almost symotaniously. The possiblilities are almost endless, so let's not jump the gun to blame someone who hasn't done anything to harm anyone in the past such as Warxe.
Post by: Dragonium on January 23, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
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Originally posted by Apex
It could have been a database error, seeing that all the threads delete almost symotaniously.
But not completely simultaneously (Spelling. :p). This is the part I don't get. If it was a database error, then surely
a) They'd all have gone at once, and
b) They wouldn't show up on the mod logfile, since no mod was responsible for deleting them.
(I dunno how Charas' servers work, so don't take my word for this)
But then again, a whole lot of threads went within a few minutes' time. And since it's impossible to delete multiple threads at once (So MT11 says), whoever was reponsible for this (If it is a person) must have some mad clicking speed.
Either way, it makes no sense. Someone explain. Please. O.o
Post by: Apex on January 23, 2007, 05:07:22 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 23, 2007, 05:23:03 PM
Obviously you aren't stupid enough to give your password to anyone... This is all so odd.
Post by: Bluhman on January 23, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
I'm beginning to note some weird, new members, like romix and egdcltd. Neither of them have made any posts, and this egdcltd dude is looking at the leaders page for some reason.
Also, Robotam Plus is now looking at an absurdly old thread, while egdctld has dissapeared from the who is online? page. In other news, a ton of guests are looking at nonexistant threads.
Post by: Almeidaboo on January 23, 2007, 05:51:24 PM
Post by: SaiKar on January 23, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
I've uncovered a few minor clues and made some speculations based on them, but nothing substantial. Warxe is still a suspect but, well, it's Warxe so I have my doubts on him doing it. Though he's going to stay unmodded for the time being.
In the meantime, I'd suggest trying to pick up the pieces. We don't know when Alex will be around or if a rollback of those forums is possible. Doesn't make much sense to have things in limbo. I would encourage people to use the forums as they did yesterday and start new threads there.
Post by: Dragonium on January 23, 2007, 06:14:26 PM
Also, I doubt Dominicy could have been responsible. He apparently likes Charas.
I reckon this has to be someone who dislikes Charas and is knowledgeable about the way the Forums work. I mean Warxe is the only mod (Not counting admins) who has power over the Forum Gaming board, so whoever hacked his account (If that is what happened) must have known right from the start that he was their target. Am I right?
But yeah, we ought to go on as normal until we find out 100% for certain what happened.
Post by: Dominicy on January 23, 2007, 06:56:50 PM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
Hrreeerrrrmmmmmm.... Dominicy might be behind this. Now that I think about it, he might be a hacker. You remember Andrew78, right? Bad spelling? Absurdly silly and dumb? Yeah. Dominicy is a bit similar, and he did mention something about winning in the Whoever Posts Last Wins thread.
Buuut I'm just bein' paranoid.
EDIT: I'm beginning to note some weird, new members, like romix and egdcltd. Neither of them have made any posts, and this egdcltd dude is looking at the leaders page for some reason.
Also, Robotam Plus is now looking at an absurdly old thread, while egdctld has dissapeared from the who is online? page. In other news, a ton of guests are looking at nonexistant threads.
Ok, excuse me? when all else fails, blame me because I'm new? 'bad spelling' how so? other than capitalization, my spelling is fine, 'ubsurdly silly and dumb', sorry for knowing how to have fun. then again, ofcourse considering I'm one of the newest people its my fault, I mean, we new people to you 'more respectable and important people' are just pretty much dead weights to increase the number of members. this is so wrong from you that you just blame me instantly. how much should I bet that people here just think of us new people as just things to blame on what happens, THINGS to flame when your bored, or just THINGS to ignore completely. you guys here hardly even treat new people when they post with any sort of dignity, you just make up an insult and go along, with the possible exception of darkfox and saikar. this is so wrong from you to blame me out of the open because I try to have fun. excuse me. _veryangry_
oh wait, sorry, AND moosetroop or whatever his name is doesn't seem to go around flaming new people at every opportunity.
Post by: Apex on January 23, 2007, 06:56:57 PM
If so, you could probably find someone trying to log in as Warxe before they changed their IP.
Are there any other members from Canada that may have traveled to Warxe's house and did it while he was sleeping?
Post by: drenrin2120 on January 23, 2007, 07:13:30 PM
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Originally posted by DominicyQuoteOriginally posted by Bluhman
Hrreeerrrrmmmmmm.... Dominicy might be behind this. Now that I think about it, he might be a hacker. You remember Andrew78, right? Bad spelling? Absurdly silly and dumb? Yeah. Dominicy is a bit similar, and he did mention something about winning in the Whoever Posts Last Wins thread.
Buuut I'm just bein' paranoid.
EDIT: I'm beginning to note some weird, new members, like romix and egdcltd. Neither of them have made any posts, and this egdcltd dude is looking at the leaders page for some reason.
Also, Robotam Plus is now looking at an absurdly old thread, while egdctld has dissapeared from the who is online? page. In other news, a ton of guests are looking at nonexistant threads.
Ok, excuse me? when all else fails, blame me because I'm new? 'bad spelling' how so? other than capitalization, my spelling is fine, 'ubsurdly silly and dumb', sorry for knowing how to have fun. then again, ofcourse considering I'm one of the newest people its my fault, I mean, we new people to you 'more respectable and important people' are just pretty much dead weights to increase the number of members. this is so wrong from you that you just blame me instantly. how much should I bet that people here just think of us new people as just things to blame on what happens, THINGS to flame when your bored, or just THINGS to ignore completely. you guys here hardly even treat new people when they post with any sort of dignity, you just make up an insult and go along, with the possible exception of darkfox and saikar. this is so wrong from you to blame me out of the open because I try to have fun. excuse me. _veryangry_
oh wait, sorry, AND moosetroop or whatever his name is doesn't seem to go around flaming new people at every opportunity.[/B]
While you have the right to be angry and defend yourself, be careful how you generalize things.
I seriously doubt it was Warxe too. We should be wary of a new possible attack from Bed Slam Asylum. I'm not saying all on the offensive and high-strung, just prepared.
EDIT: Doing a quick little proxy search on Bedslam, it appears that their section on Charas is completely empty. I don't think Bedslam care anymore, so scratch that idea.
Post by: Osmose on January 23, 2007, 07:33:12 PM
2.We can't delete threads en masse. And looking at timing, it was done by hand - deleteing one thing after another real fast is a matter of click-backspace-click-backspace and so on.
Post by: Bluhman on January 23, 2007, 07:33:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dominicy
Ok, excuse me? when all else fails, blame me because I'm new? 'bad spelling' how so? other than capitalization, my spelling is fine,
'ubsurdly silly and dumb', sorry for knowing how to have fun. then again, ofcourse considering I'm one of the newest people its my fault, I mean, we new people to you 'more respectable and important people' are just pretty much dead weights to increase the number of members. this is so wrong from you that you just blame me instantly. how much should I bet that people here just think of us new people as just things to blame on what happens, THINGS to flame when your bored, or just THINGS to ignore completely. you guys here hardly even treat new people when they post with any sort of dignity, you just make up an insult and go along, with the possible exception of darkfox and saikar. this is so wrong from you to blame me out of the open because I try to have fun. excuse me. _veryangry_
oh wait, sorry, AND moosetroop or whatever his name is doesn't seem to go around flaming new people at every opportunity.
I said I was bein' paranoid. Calm down.
Post by: MrMister on January 23, 2007, 07:42:10 PM
;0
I hehe'd at this..
Warxe is crackin under da pressure!!!
Or.. something else happened.
edit: Something for 'Charas History,' Sai.
edit2:
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Originally posted by Apex
Are there any other members from Canada that may have traveled to Warxe's house and did it while he was sleeping?
J-joke??
Because.. Canada is larger than the states..
Post by: Robotam Plus on January 23, 2007, 08:09:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bluhman
Also, Robotam Plus is now looking at an absurdly old thread, while egdctld has dissapeared from the who is online? page. In other news, a ton of guests are looking at nonexistant threads.
Ohhh, you got me.
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 08:29:41 PM
Posted this in the wrong damn place. :|
Post by: Apex on January 23, 2007, 08:39:08 PM
Raffles pulled a RRWP on Bedslam, he deleted all his posts and left..
(I tend to keep an eye on places like Bedslam, troll kingdom and the GNAA.)
I honestly don't think it's a HUGE deal, besides tutorials, they really didn't delete anything (that) IMPORTANT, it's nothing we can't rebuild.
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 08:43:29 PM
You can't rebuild that.
Post by: Darrellito on January 23, 2007, 08:50:16 PM
I think I just crapped myself. This really sucks. FFL and everyone else should get their old active posts back up as soon as possible.
And if the person who did this is reading this-> :badboy:
Post by: White Dwarf on January 23, 2007, 08:51:42 PM
Starscape has harnessed the power of bots and used them to systematicly delete a ton of shizzle!
No, but really, woah.
We can't loose the Word association! There better be a backup somplace, right?
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 23, 2007, 08:53:42 PM
EDIT: It's only fair that we delete Darkfox's RP topic now, that way I'll be close to beating him again.
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 23, 2007, 09:00:54 PM
Post by: Darrellito on January 23, 2007, 09:08:16 PM
Edit:Ok I caught someone in the act. This is what it said they were looking at:
http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1723&forumid=32&...
Post by: SaiKar on January 23, 2007, 09:25:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dragonium
Sai, if it's okay for us to know, could you tell us what you've established so far. Like you say, we should all do all we can to find out what's going on, and maybe somebody can elaborate on anything you've found out.
I haven't figured out how to get the most out of my technical options yet and we have no Alex, so I'm mostly relying on my common sense for the theory.
Fact: the threads were deleted quickly, but not at inhuman speed.
Fact: the mod log shows a few odd things during the deletion such as a few minutes break and deleting a thread that was already delete.
Conclusion: the deletion was done by hand by a person, not some sort of program.
Fact: Charas's password encryption system is pretty gewd.
Assumption: people skilled enough to hack the system directly have better things to do.
Assumption: none of the usual idiots that bother us (Raffles and TK) are hackers; they rely more on deception and confusion than technical skill.
Conclusion: It wasn't the result of a direct hack.
Fact: Charas has no tool for deleting multiple threads quickly.
Fact: Deleting individual threads is a pain in the butt.
Fact: The deletion took place over several hours.
Assumption: Someone random that got Warxe's information (such as from a public computer) woudn't have had the knowledge of what they uncovered nor the patience to harm a group of people they weren't involved in.
Conclusion: It wasn't the result of some random guy getting his information.
The conclusions only lead to a few points. Either some brilliant hacker pulled this job, someone used Warxe's computer, or he did it himself.
I need to talk with Warxe himself to try to find the final clues.
Post by: Archem on January 23, 2007, 09:26:35 PM
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS?!! WHY?! AM I REALLY THAT IMPORTANT TO THE AWESOMENESS LEVELS HERE?!!
I oh-so-severely doubt Warxe had any wrong-doings here, so I want vengeance. Whoever did this will pay.
But on a different note, this terrible event leads to a set of mystery and intrigue. I'm all riled up.
Post by: Dominicy on January 23, 2007, 09:37:38 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
The baseless Dominicy accusation was entirely uncalled for. I won't let this turn into a witch hunt. If you have information about what happened, tell us. But don't incriminate random people with baseless theories.QuoteOriginally posted by Dragonium
Sai, if it's okay for us to know, could you tell us what you've established so far. Like you say, we should all do all we can to find out what's going on, and maybe somebody can elaborate on anything you've found out.
I haven't figured out how to get the most out of my technical options yet and we have no Alex, so I'm mostly relying on my common sense for the theory.
Fact: the threads were deleted quickly, but not at inhuman speed.
Fact: the mod log shows a few odd things during the deletion such as a few minutes break and deleting a thread that was already delete.
Conclusion: the deletion was done by hand by a person, not some sort of program.
Fact: Charas's password encryption system is pretty gewd.
Assumption: people skilled enough to hack the system directly have better things to do.
Assumption: none of the usual idiots that bother us (Raffles and TK) are hackers; they rely more on deception and confusion than technical skill.
Conclusion: It wasn't the result of a direct hack.
Fact: Charas has no tool for deleting multiple threads quickly.
Fact: Deleting individual threads is a pain in the butt.
Fact: The deletion took place over several hours.
Assumption: Someone random that got Warxe's information (such as from a public computer) woudn't have had the knowledge of what they uncovered nor the patience to harm a group of people they weren't involved in.
Conclusion: It wasn't the result of some random guy getting his information.
The conclusions only lead to a few points. Either some brilliant hacker pulled this job, someone used Warxe's computer, or he did it himself.
I need to talk with Warxe himself to try to find the final clues.[/B]
wow, this is turning into a CSI murder case, also, your defense is very much appreciated.
*tries to think of possibilities*
*pictures all the mods gathered like the cast of CSI, warxe somewhat being a grissom (sp?) figure.*
you raise a seriously valid point about all that stuff though, this happened over a long time, and whoever hacked it was either warxe, or someone who has a serious grudge against the site/ the forum gaming. I look suspicious in this I realize somewhat because of my odd behavor, but its just be having fun, and also, how much hacking can a thirteen year old dude who is already very busy with his own roleplaying game developement? anyway, I would especially know I'm innocent (I would think) considering I know nothing about hacking, other than offline things on my own computer, and I was busy with school the day it happened, so do I really need to rule myself out as a suspect anymore? :happy:
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 09:42:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dominicy
or someone who has a serious grudge against the site/ the forum gaming.
It wasn't just forum gaming dude, that was just the most popular one.
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on January 23, 2007, 09:43:26 PM
Hmm, there's a small chance that I may have saved a copy of who has won in the Whoever Posts Last Wins game, although I probably deleted it at some point, and I have no idea how up-to-date it would be... but I'm looking for it.
EDIT: It's gone, I must have deleted it.
EDIT 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: I used the Way Back Machine and got the list of winners from way back in APRIL....
And Apex, thanks for remaking the Word Association Game without asking me first, I appreciate it. _sweat_
Post by: Razor on January 23, 2007, 10:00:15 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on January 23, 2007, 10:15:14 PM
It was a joke you asses.
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2007, 10:29:39 PM
Anyone ever give any credit to the idea that somebody just guessed the password?
ten years ago, I used to play this MUD and I guessed a dudes password, after he told me about his Dog, libby.
It was not rocket science.
If it was an act of somebody with a vendetta, im sure they would have targeted something a bit less inane than forum gaming, dontchathink?
I mean, seriously.
Deleting requests, or tutorials, or something to that effect would have been a bit more damaging.
It looks to me like a tastless prank.
And by no means is it CSI, dominicy.
Post by: Dominicy on January 23, 2007, 10:33:53 PM
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And by no means is it CSI, dominicy.[/B]
say what you want, that's how I see it. :3 it is an awful lot like an episode, something gets blown up/killed, everyone searches for it, sometimes find out what happened, sometimes don't. its very similar to the show, just alittle more realistic. not much more mind you.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 24, 2007, 12:06:47 AM
Zero forum gaming posts. I'm deciding whether or not to keep it that way.
Post by: Apex on January 24, 2007, 12:26:15 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
I say it was Goody Proctor! There's the bird, THE BIRD! IT'S MAKING ME COLD! COLD! COLD!
Zero forum gaming posts. I'm deciding whether or not to keep it that way.
I SAY, GOD IS DEAD!!!! /crucible.
I will get to the bottom of this, but I need your cooperation, all of you.
I will need your...
-Password
-IP
-Social Security number
-Adress
-Something Blackmail worthy.
Help me, Help you!
Post by: Archem on January 24, 2007, 12:31:07 AM
But yes, 'twas Goody Proctor. She's a witch.
Post by: Daetyrnis on January 24, 2007, 12:59:33 AM
Warxe, now that you've changed your password, would you post your old one? It's understandable if you say no, after all, you said that you use one password for many places, right?
Like, if it's warxe, chaos, draconis, or some other warxe-related thing, it wouldn't have taken a genius to log into his account. Just someone with a lot of time on their hands to read all of his stuff. The mass-delete proves that they have a lot of time on their hands, so it could be quite feasible.
Post by: Brieg on January 24, 2007, 02:18:01 AM
why god, why?
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 24, 2007, 02:33:30 AM
Post by: drenrin2120 on January 24, 2007, 02:56:53 AM
Post by: Apex on January 24, 2007, 02:57:12 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Making avatars isn't that hard actually. I made this one in what, 30 minutes? Just gimme some good music and I'm ready to go.
I really don't want to draw suspicion to Warxey, but what you say is true. Music is your motivation as well, according to you.
What motivation could he have possibly had for wanting to make that as fast as he did?
Post by: aboutasoandthis on January 24, 2007, 03:01:02 AM
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I say it was Goody Proctor! There's the bird, THE BIRD! IT'S MAKING ME COLD! COLD! COLD!
Damn, he beat me to it.
Post by: drenrin2120 on January 24, 2007, 03:04:42 AM
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Originally posted by Apex
What motivation could he have possibly had for wanting to make that as fast as he did?
Maybe the simple fact he thought he could get away with it? I really don't want to believe it either and have my doubts, but anything is possible and we should always be open to any possibilities. Sadly, that is one of them.
Post by: Apex on January 24, 2007, 03:09:10 AM
Now to get to the bottom of this!
Post by: SaiKar on January 24, 2007, 03:09:48 AM
Seriously. Go see for yourself.
Post by: drenrin2120 on January 24, 2007, 03:10:47 AM
Post by: Bluhman on January 24, 2007, 03:12:57 AM
Post by: Ace of Spades on January 24, 2007, 03:13:35 AM
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Originally posted by drenrin2120
Problem solved in less than 24 hours? Nice work guys. :)
Yeah, we own. :Plight:
Post by: MrMister on January 24, 2007, 03:18:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ace of SpadesQuoteOriginally posted by drenrin2120
Problem solved in less than 24 hours? Nice work guys. :)
Yeah, we own. :Plight: [/B]
hoorj for the entire moderation team and not one person in particular!!
Unfortunately I have a bunch of unwanted gaming posts again now.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on January 24, 2007, 04:01:22 AM
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Originally posted by MrMisterQuoteOriginally posted by Ace of SpadesQuoteOriginally posted by drenrin2120
Problem solved in less than 24 hours? Nice work guys. :)
Yeah, we own. :Plight: [/B]
hoorj for the entire moderation team and not one person in particular!!
Unfortunately I have a bunch of unwanted gaming posts again now.[/B]
Ditto. I was planning on not posting there anymore. Goddammit.
Post by: Revolution911 on January 24, 2007, 04:03:41 AM
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on January 24, 2007, 04:42:29 AM
And yes, many manly men post in forum gaming. Be manly.
Play my games! Play my games!
Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 24, 2007, 04:58:31 AM
BTW Apex, I still win.
EDIT: Sweet. Whoever was deleting the tut topics stopped right before erasing my mapping one.
Post by: X_marks_the_ed on January 24, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
QuoteI say it was Goody Proctor! There's the bird, THE BIRD! IT'S MAKING ME COLD! COLD! COLD!
Damn, he beat me to it.[/B]
Sounds more like the work of that damned Rebecca Nurse. Damn her! Being all holy and whatnot.
My Courtroom DUR wasn't restored. YAY! That plummeted.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on January 24, 2007, 08:58:32 PM
Post by: Razor on January 25, 2007, 06:31:08 AM
Thank the good Alex for this.