Post by: Osmose on February 09, 2007, 09:15:39 PM
Do you think you'll be getting Vista anytime soon?
PS: Oh yeah, anyone who uses RPG Maker XP frequently shouldn't - RMXP crashes when trying to test run a game on Vista.
Post by: Rowan on February 09, 2007, 09:22:03 PM
Showing from the past, some of the more useful programs for me were also able to run on at the least Windows 98 (or even 95.) I might get it someday when I have some extra money lying around.
EDIT: Is that bug happening on the Legal Version or Illegal version of RMXP?
Post by: Osmose on February 09, 2007, 09:28:34 PM
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 09, 2007, 10:05:33 PM
I love windows vista. My computer freezes a lot less. Plus I had some corrupt folders that windows xp couldn't read, but after I installed vista, I could go into them again. The only problem is that I had to upgrade a lot of my programs and drivers to be compatable with vista, and that takes a while with dial up.
I suggest that if people get windows vista, they get the home premium and not home basic, the visuals on the premium look a lot nicer.
Post by: GaryCXJk on February 09, 2007, 10:13:05 PM
Oh, and it's more aimed at audio and video.
Post by: Apex on February 09, 2007, 11:10:58 PM
Post by: Osmose on February 09, 2007, 11:51:40 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on February 10, 2007, 12:02:20 AM
Post by: MrMister on February 10, 2007, 12:44:15 AM
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 10, 2007, 12:44:34 AM
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Originally posted by lucas_irineu
i am never going to get visa.
Well unless you're using a mac or linux or some other OS, you kinda have to eventually. Down the line, everything will require windows vista to run, kinda like a lot of things require xp to run now. When your computer is extreamly outdated and you need to upgrade in order to use new stuff, or when your computer breaks and you need to get a new one, you'll get windows vista.
Post by: oooog on February 10, 2007, 01:58:40 AM
Post by: Razor on February 10, 2007, 02:18:19 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Yep. OSX can't tilt windows, change the color of their transparent glassy window style, and, oh yeah, can't run about 80% of all programs ever made.
What.
Also, Vista apparently can't run any Norton's products < '07, correct? Cause that's what I have.
Post by: Darkfox on February 10, 2007, 02:31:04 AM
Post by: Tomi on February 10, 2007, 03:01:06 AM
1337 Real Post, btw.
Post by: Osmose on February 10, 2007, 03:07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Razor
Also, Vista apparently can't run any Norton's products < '07, correct? Cause that's what I have.
When it detected that I had Norton the first time through it made me do an update, and after a clean install when I tried to install my 2006 edition it detected it and led me to a page where I could download an edition that worked. And I can't find any mention of the year in this new version, so I dunno if it's actually Norton 2007 or Norton 2006 Vista Edition or whatever.
Nearly everything I've had that doesn't work will work when run in some sort of compatibility mode without losing any functionality - Star Craft had some screwy colors but switching to XP SP2 compatibility mode fixed it. Same with a program I myself made - it wouldn't run in normal mode but ran fine in XP SP2 mode.
So far only two things stand out - RMXP still doesn't work in XP SP2 mode (only when test running a game), and when it runs Fireworks, the computer disables Aero (Transparencies, basically the glassy effects, but it's nothing to be worried about) because Fireworks uses some old graphics methods that Aero doesn't work with.
Post by: Apex on February 10, 2007, 03:22:52 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Yep. OSX can't tilt windows, change the color of their transparent glassy window style, and, oh yeah, can't run about 80% of all programs ever made.
It runs 100% of the programs made for it. Same as windows pal. Oh, and tell me when Windows emulates mac, so it can run those 20% of the programs it fails to run.
Mac + Good Windows emulator = 100% compatibility.
I don't mean to sound argumentative with this, but BIG DEAL, it can change the glassy window style, news flash, with proper configuring and hacking (Or use of third party programs.) You can do that on XP, would you like me to show you a screen shot of my XP desktop with a hacked Uxtheme.dll?
Vista, tilting windows, that's all.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 10, 2007, 03:34:58 AM
Post by: Osmose on February 10, 2007, 04:38:46 AM
I've never seen a Mac program that did not have a Windows version or an alternative that ran on Windows. Besides, the 20% that Windows can't run are usually Mac-specific versions of programs that are already made for Windows.
Also, Vista is a little more than flipping windows. Here's a much more comprehensive review (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05.asp) for your reading.
Post by: Razor on February 10, 2007, 04:51:24 AM
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2007, 04:54:59 AM
Post by: Razor on February 10, 2007, 05:01:11 AM
Post by: Osmose on February 10, 2007, 05:12:49 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 10, 2007, 05:28:57 AM
Post by: Apex on February 10, 2007, 05:19:46 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Your whole counter-argument is based on how Mac, with either hacking or third part programs can do what Vista can do. Why can't it do that by default? I'm sure adding a color tint to window borders isn't that hard. And if you're going to stick with that, WindowsBlinds can emulate the look of OSX and has been able to ever since OSX came out, disregarding all the other themes for it (And then DesktopX was the first program with desktop widgets, before either mac or windows had them, Stardock seems to be ahead of everyone).
I've never seen a Mac program that did not have a Windows version or an alternative that ran on Windows. Besides, the 20% that Windows can't run are usually Mac-specific versions of programs that are already made for Windows.
Also, Vista is a little more than flipping windows. Here's a much more comprehensive review (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05.asp) for your reading.
Incorrect, my arguement is that the GUI has been done before, sans the tilting windows, in Windows XP.
Here is a screen shot of my desktop as proof.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8374/screenshot10207mn5.png
And it's "NEW" features have been done before in Mac OSX. I mean seriously, look at the difference in the search icons, there isn't one. It's a rip off, which Microsoft likes to do. (Same with Sony mind you.)
Windows Emulation is great, although not even really needed, seeing that the news macs can boot both at once.
I'd like to point out that the comercials which portray the Windows and Mac, are astonishingly accurate, windows is old, out-dated and full of flaws.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 10, 2007, 06:43:02 PM
Go to the store and look around: Any good games made for mac? No, in fact, most have to be ported from the PC version just to keep you "Maccies" happy. Not to mention that whenever someone gets a mac, it seems that they have to go out and proclaim it to everyone.
Macs are for people who are to afraid to learn how real computers work. Look at it, IT ONLY HAS ONE FREAKIN' MOUSE BUTTON!
I hate macs, I will always hate macs, anyone who uses a mac gets no respect from me.
PC:
Pros-
1) Compatibility with almost everything
2) Easily upgradeable
3) IMMENSE selection of games
4) Two-Button mouse
5) Widely used in the business world
Cons-
1) Parts sold seperately sometimes
2) Crashy
Mac:
Pros-
1) Some better performance at art programs
2) Comes all together out of the box
3) More Ipod compatibility??
4) Can be used as a boat anchor
Cons-
1) Didn't have much compatibility with anything until they put XP on it
2) Crashy
3) One-Button mouse
4) Nearly impossible to upgrade, you have to keep spending money to buy the next model
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 10, 2007, 06:59:31 PM
Post by: Darkfox on February 10, 2007, 07:07:24 PM
I dunno. I'm sticking with XP, I got what I want and I am trying to get into cracking game encryption and compression schemes. I don't need Vista for that.
Post by: Osmose on February 10, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I have heard thousands of people all say, "Macs are better for graphic design." And I've never heard a single person explain exactly how it is better. Photoshop is on both, same with Fireworks, Dreamweaver, ImageReady, Maya, etc.
The effectiveness for a graphic designer is based on how good they are personally. After that, it can be affected by what program they use - Fireworks can handle vectors beautifully but can't do bitmaps as good as Photoshop. Dreamweaver/Flash/Fireworks integration links everything up nicely, and work best when used together. I assume there's something similar with the Adobe products but I've only used them a few times and never got quite that far.
The computer architecture and OS can only affect it in terms of how fast it goes. And even when working on a 400dpi book cover on my PC I didn't notice any significant slowdown. So again, I'd like to know - how does using a Mac make graphic design easier?
The only thing I can think of is security from crashes, and every time my computer has crashed recently, disregarding when I installed Vista, which I will give to you, has been when I was running Oblivion at way higher settings than I should have been (Wanted to see how low my FPS could go :) )
I really would like to know why everyone says this. It just doesn't make sense to me.
EDIT: XP dressed up as OSX, for those who just love the OSX look. (http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=2906&libid=1)
EDIT EDIT: Oh yeah, that Vista style is nice, only it's missing the new Breadcrumb paths, info panes, improved search, compact start menu, sidebar, transparency, extra sleep mode and efficient power saver modes, games explorer, User Account Authentication, etc.etc. that Vista has.
Post by: Darkfox on February 10, 2007, 07:36:32 PM
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The effectiveness for a graphic designer is based on how good they are personally.
Ed Macmahon Impersonation: Ah-ha-ha you are correct, sir!
Couldn't be stated better, that pretty much sums it up.
Post by: MrMister on February 10, 2007, 09:44:02 PM
Post by: Archem on February 10, 2007, 11:06:40 PM
I like Macs. Great piece of hardware. What I don't like is their OS and single-button mouse.
Post by: Osmose on February 10, 2007, 11:21:55 PM
2.You know I meant Windows in general, you just want to brag about how you've got an older OS, and it isn't working. lol pwnt
Post by: Archem on February 10, 2007, 11:28:21 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
1.Mac does sell and can work fine with two button mouses.
*gasp* Somebody besides me drew this conclusion!
*claps quietly for Osmose*
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 10, 2007, 11:40:00 PM
"Oh but it looks pretty" Screw you, PCs can look just as nice or even better, and you can upgrade them so they don't become obsolete.
To sum it up, buying a macintosh is like getting yourself a torch and setting your money on fire, then be smug about how "cool" your mac is.
Whats worse is that people seem to think that their persona is built upon what computer they use. And most of these people happen to be mac users.
And where do people get the assumption that the OS crashes based on what type of hardware it is? The reason that programs crash has virtually nothing to do with the hardware (excluding bad sectors and corrupted data) Programs crash only because of flaws within the code and viruses. It really bugs me when people say "Oh I have a mac, so my computer won't crash anymore." or "Get a macintosh because it doesn't crash."
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 10, 2007, 11:44:20 PM
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Whats worse is that people seem to think that their persona is built upon what computer they use.
You've definately made the point that that statement doesn't apply to you.
Macs don't crash. They just get really, REALLY laggy. I mean like 30 minutes to complete a process laggy.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 11, 2007, 12:07:07 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 12:26:50 AM
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 11, 2007, 12:30:29 AM
Post by: Red Giant on February 11, 2007, 12:42:05 AM
Post by: Archem on February 11, 2007, 12:44:16 AM
THE MACHINE ITSELF.
Post by: DarkFlood2 on February 11, 2007, 12:46:18 AM
Post by: MrMister on February 11, 2007, 12:59:26 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
1.Mac does sell and can work fine with two button mouses.
2.You know I meant Windows in general, you just want to brag about how you've got an older OS, and it isn't working. lol pwnt
I didn't know you meant anything.
And you're a pantshitter.
"lol"
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 01:13:02 AM
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
Very well then, If you like Macs so much then point out just what mac has that makes it superior than a PC.
I got my G4 for free, as opposed to paying for my PC. How's that?
Speaking of which, said G4 is goin on five years old or so, and I am YET to need an upgrade, as it is still at a good level of operation. It can run CS2, which came out a few years after it, and it still has better appearance than some of the comps my friends have. It's just a lil' too dark is all.
I've got a question DF. Have you ever actually used a Mac for a long enough period of time to make all these claims, or are you just running on theoretical ideas you have inspired by the statements of others?
Post by: Archem on February 11, 2007, 01:29:01 AM
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Originally posted by DarkFlood2
I wouldn't mind it if it was upgradeable, that way you wouldn't have to keep spending your money for a performance boost.
Umm... They... Are.
A bit harder to do, but possible.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 01:36:10 AM
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Originally posted by Archem2QuoteOriginally posted by DarkFlood2
I wouldn't mind it if it was upgradeable, that way you wouldn't have to keep spending your money for a performance boost.
Umm... They... Are.
A bit harder to do, but possible.[/B]
Exactly. You can upgrade a mac, just as you can upgrade a pc. Stop spouting that "You can't upgrade a mac" gibberish. Like graphic design, if I may repeat your own point, it's all dependant on the one doing it. You pull a non-computer knowledgable person, it doesn't matter if it's a pc or a mac, he won't know what to do.
Post by: Osmose on February 11, 2007, 02:25:12 AM
You can upgrade a Mac, but I'm fairly sure that it voids any warentee for repair that Apple gives you, although if you're the upgrading type you aren't one to really need one anyway.
Post by: MrMister on February 11, 2007, 02:28:12 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 02:35:56 AM
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Everyone has come to this thread with an agenda, instead of just talking.
Not really. Ironic that I'm defending Macs on an XP runnin laptop huh? XD
As for Moose, if I can find the warrantee for the old G4 I'll let you know about that. But I used to have the very first model iMac and had it's hardrive upgraded. Watched the guy do it. Hell if I know how, but as long as you knew what you were doin I'm sure it's easy.
I meant to address this too early on, but just plain forgot. Apple released a new pill mouse, but it actually has two buttons and a small scroll ball. Takes some getting used to, but it's pretty neat. I believe it's standard with new Macs now.
Post by: Razor on February 11, 2007, 03:00:22 AM
Having never used one before 6 days ago, I'm in for a fun year.
Post by: Archem on February 11, 2007, 03:08:10 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 03:12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Archem2
I hate that new pill mouse.
Maybe so, but I just posted that in retaliation to everyone's claims of no double button mice, seein' as how that one has two buttons.
Post by: Osmose on February 11, 2007, 03:16:23 AM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on February 11, 2007, 03:22:10 AM
Post by: Trevlac on February 13, 2007, 06:58:05 AM
I will buy a Mac before I'll ever use Windows Vista.
PS: And so you all are aware, very few programs will work with Windows Vista. It has to be a Vista approved program to work. So Vista isn't going over so well with a lot of companies that will have to rewrite all their programs (like Enterbrain) and customers who want to keep all the expensive software they have (Like Adobe Premiere 6). Buying Vista is paying to get rid of all the programs you use and only use ones that Microsoft's new operating system supports.
Post by: Rowan on February 13, 2007, 10:49:13 AM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I work at Geek Squad. I have to deal with Vista's bullsheiza all day long. I take solace in knowing that when I clock out I'm coming home to my WinXP and Knoppix machine.
I will buy a Mac before I'll ever use Windows Vista.
PS: And so you all are aware, very few programs will work with Windows Vista. It has to be a Vista approved program to work. So Vista isn't going over so well with a lot of companies that will have to rewrite all their programs (like Enterbrain) and customers who want to keep all the expensive software they have (Like Adobe Premiere 6). Buying Vista is paying to get rid of all the programs you use and only use ones that Microsoft's new operating system supports.
Which is why Im sticking to XP till I see some more support for vista.
Post by: Osmose on February 13, 2007, 11:42:35 AM
Post by: Drace on February 13, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
Post by: MrMister on February 13, 2007, 01:45:42 PM
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Originally posted by Drace
That's the ugliest mouse I've ever seen.
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 13, 2007, 02:04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
I work at Geek Squad. I have to deal with Vista's bullsheiza all day long. I take solace in knowing that when I clock out I'm coming home to my WinXP and Knoppix machine.
I will buy a Mac before I'll ever use Windows Vista.
PS: And so you all are aware, very few programs will work with Windows Vista. It has to be a Vista approved program to work. So Vista isn't going over so well with a lot of companies that will have to rewrite all their programs (like Enterbrain) and customers who want to keep all the expensive software they have (Like Adobe Premiere 6). Buying Vista is paying to get rid of all the programs you use and only use ones that Microsoft's new operating system supports.
I work in an electronics store, and I have to talk with all the customers about vista as well. Most programs work perfectly fine with vista. I think the only ones that I had that didn't work was nero 6 and my tv tuner. I upgraded to nero 7 and got that solved, and my tv tuner didn't really work with windows xp much anyway, so whatever. Rpg maker and all my enterbrain programs work perfectly, all my emulators work fine, all my games work fine, and actually, its a lot more stable in running things than windows xp. Since I installed vista a month and a half ago, I never had vista freeze where I had xp freezing once a month or so. I can recover from non responding programs a lot easier, vista is better at reading corrupt files which xp can't read. Windows vista is just awesome. The only downside is that you MIGHT have to upgrade a FEW of your programs, but most of them should work with windows vista already.
Post by: Osmose on February 14, 2007, 12:20:43 AM
And then when I connected my iPod Vista offered to fix some corrupt data and restored part of an old essay for school that I had lost when someone kicked my iPod by accident while it was saving.
Post by: Bluhman on February 14, 2007, 01:23:04 AM
Post by: Osmose on February 14, 2007, 01:58:54 AM
Post by: Trevlac on February 14, 2007, 02:14:02 AM
Let me give a big piece of advice to those thinking of upgrading to Windows Vista. You need at least 1GB of RAM. I know that a lot of machines are coming with 512, and they seem to run Vista fine. They don't. 512 is how much you really need for XP, but with the Aero Glass interface you need 1GB and a hossed graphics card.
Post by: Archem on February 14, 2007, 02:46:15 AM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
...I'm sure there are XP machines that crash Oblivion too...
*admits to it*
Post by: wildguy3922 on February 14, 2007, 02:50:41 AM
But I would definetly not recommend this to users. If you want reasons, look back at XP. When it came out, it was very new, and people hardly knew what to do. Lots of errors. Microsoft doesn't want to spend too much money on testers, so they release it early to hear the problems with it so they can fix it then. PLUS, they also have people out there that are skilled with it, and Microsoft uses their methods to save themselves money. I kid you not! Stick with XP until the complaints start disappearing.
I know lots of people who have it, and I hear nothing but complaints from them.
Post by: Bluhman on February 14, 2007, 02:50:54 AM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
...I'm sure there are XP machines that crash Oblivion too...[/B]
Well, yeah. But people who once played Oblivion just fine on their XP found that it didn't work as intended when they upgraded to Vista.
You pretty much summed it up, Trevlac man. And you too, wildguy.
Post by: charaman on February 14, 2007, 02:53:36 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
I've never seen a Mac program that did not have a Windows version or an alternative that ran on Windows. Besides, the 20% that Windows can't run are usually Mac-specific versions of programs that are already made for Windows.
Logic?
oh and you can skin osx with shapeshifter. so uh, yeah
Post by: Osmose on February 14, 2007, 03:49:30 AM
All I can say is that I hear a lot of people complaining about it, but all I've seen with my own eyes and experienced myself is good. I'm sure there's some merit to all the complaints, but I've had no problem with Vista and enjoy it very much, especially considering how new it is.
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 14, 2007, 03:51:49 AM
Post by: wildguy3922 on February 16, 2007, 07:40:03 PM
Post by: Bluhman on February 16, 2007, 09:27:01 PM
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Originally posted by wildguy3922
Shutting down Oblivion with ctrl + alt +delete is the same way with XP.
Really? Never happened to me.
What? On topic? Oh, right.
Uh... I'll get Vista after it gets some sexy games. Not literally sexy.
Post by: MrMister on February 17, 2007, 03:36:56 AM
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Originally posted by BluhmanQuoteOriginally posted by wildguy3922
Shutting down Oblivion with ctrl + alt +delete is the same way with XP.
Really? Never happened to me.
What? On topic? Oh, right.
Uh... I'll get Vista after it gets some sexy games. Not literally sexy.[/B]
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