Post by: Osmose on March 12, 2007, 09:57:25 AM
I can see where they get this from: How many new users actually stay nowadays? Very few, if any. Our community rotates around two groups of members who joined either before two years ago or before a year ago. And nearly all of the feedback to anyone who doesn't fit into these categories is negative. Early on, Charas was the source of a lot of positive criticism, but over time we've come to insult anything that doesn't satisfy our near impossible standards (And when those standards are challenged, the person doing so is an idiot who doesn't have good taste, rather than someone with a different taste).
We can't change assholes into Barney. But we can attempt to refocus the site back to our roots. That's what Charas 3.0 is. It's largley the work of myself, although Sai pointed out and approved of/disapproved of various points. Moosetroop also threw something in there as well, but other than that there's been no help in it because even the mod team doesn't feel that the site needs their attention, apparently, whether it be out of boredom, frustration, or lazyness.
Charas 3.0 was an aid in pushing Sai'Kar to resign for good. One of the biggest things that kept him as admin over all this time was the dim hope that eventually the mod team would receive access to code for Charas so we could improve the site on our own finally. I had been told long ago by Alex that this was impossible when asking for it myself, but Sai thought that it was simply because of my bad record (Wahba, fighting with Carmen, general troublemaking, etc.). In actuality, even if I had been a perfect member we wouldn't have gotten it because Charas is on the Ombra server, which is assumedly run by Alex, and has a bunch of other websites on it, including some with sensitive information that code access would involve access to, like credit card numbers, and Alex didn't have the authority to give that to us.
Once I explained that to him he basically had no reason to keep being admin if he was never going to be able to improve the site. There's a myriad of other reasons that built it up, but that was the one that triggered it. As for what this has to do with Charas 3.0, I think that, if most of the requests are fulfilled, it can help change the site dramatically and improve the site as well as give us the ability to continue improving it.
Lastly, this proposition is supposed to be a community thing. If an overwhelming majority hate an idea, it can easily be struck out. If the people want something else, it can be added in. The idea is that the community needs to agree on something and then get Alex to do it. Feel free to express your opinion (Unless your opinion is that I should go die) about any of the ideas, or any ideas you yourself have. I'm not going to be the 1 final approver or disapprover, but rather everyone else is.
ALSO: One tidbit I left out that I later suggested is a switch of host: Dreamhost (http://www.dreamhost.com) is an amazing host. They give way more bandwidth then we'd ever need (Using their current numbers, our site needs 1/10th of what they give), and possibly more than enough space, depending. Paying for it would be easy - I'm willing to donate money to the cause, and I'm sure there are others around here who would help out too. The site would still be under Alex's name, as well - it'd simply be on a different server where we can actually be given code access so people like Gary or myself could add in new features over time. Plus, OCRemix uses them as one of their HTTP mirrors, AKA they're a good host. Opinions on this would definitely be appreciated. Oh, and they host Editthis, which hosts the Charas Wiki. :P
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Charas 3.0 Proposal
Unified Site Strcuture
-Global Navigation Bar
>Easy access to any section of the site; as of now forums are seperate from rest of site, as is Complete Resources and Generators.
-Integration of sections
>User profile can lead to lists of contributed resources and a person's saved generated sprites.
>Single login carries over to generators, forums, and complete resources (As in one time login rather than having to log into the generators after logging into the forums - same account functionality already exists)
New Interface design
-Lower contrast
>Easier to read than current theme
-Investigation of SVG format
>Incredibly smaller file sizes
>Layer capabilities could be integrated into generators
>Quicker generation than current system?
Update of Technology
-Better filters against malicious code (IE the Javascript bug)
-Support for 24-bit images (RMXP generators)
-General code sprucing up.
>Maintenance is gewd.
>After posting in a topic, user is taken to last page of topic rather than the first.
-New sections
>Detailed below
Games Section
-General Game Bios & Specific System Descriptions
-User ratings and reviews
>Ability to rate screenshots, overall game, files uploaded, etc.
>Ability to comment on items.
>Section for user reviews of game.
-Screenshots section
>10 Screenshot Limit and No Game Uploading (Can link to outside source from news or articles, though)
>Can be deleted/replaced.
-News updates
-Files
>Trailers, demos, System previews, etc.
>Trailers can be linked to rather than uploaded (Recommend Youtube), but still be rated and commented.
>All rateable and commentable.
>Any text article can display screenshots from screenshot section.
>Space limit to reduce bandwidth/storage usage.
-Media
>Site awards, user awards, interviews, etc.
-Integrated with user accounts.
Revamped Complete Resources
-Better Categories
>More specific and consistent
>RMXP sections?
-Code Examples
>Both RM2k/2k3 and RXMP examples
-Articles on Game Improvment
>Composing music, tutorials, etc.
User Profile Improvements
-User Awards
>Could show both specific user awards and awards for their games.
>Award ranking on post-side profile for added presteige?
>Users can create their own awards and give them to others.
>Mods can add "award levels" to awards if they are a good award (IE not a fake meaningless one, one the reequires merit). Each mod can add one level, up to a max of three levels.
-Site Awards
>Official awards given by staff for various things (Site contests, etc)
Donation Incentives
-Single Donation Award
>Various levels of award for amount donated.
>Award, Colored name, other goodies?
-Subscription Donation Award
>Award, Profile symbol (On side of posts), colored name?
>Monthly/Yearly Payments
>$1, $2 monthly?
>$25 a year?
>Unlimited screenshots and hosting game demos.
>Front page game advertising?
Post by: WarxePB on March 12, 2007, 12:10:53 PM
So, would we use the same generator/forum code we have now, then add on a bunch of stuff? Or would we start from scratch?
EDIT: Also, we need a merchandise store. I would SO buy a shirt that said "Sexy boot" or "i can shoot missiles lol".
Post by: Omega Weapon on March 12, 2007, 01:52:30 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Roughly a week or two ago I was talking with Sai and he was being his normal, depressed self. Charas has definitely changed since its early days, and although it could simply be nostalgia, a lot of members who registered back in the day (And even I saw some of it, although it was more the tail end of it) say that Charas was better mainly because it focused more on the games than it does now.
I can see where they get this from: How many new users actually stay nowadays? Very few, if any. Our community rotates around two groups of members who joined either before two years ago or before a year ago. And nearly all of the feedback to anyone who doesn't fit into these categories is negative. Early on, Charas was the source of a lot of positive criticism, but over time we've come to insult anything that doesn't satisfy our near impossible standards (And when those standards are challenged, the person doing so is an idiot who doesn't have good taste, rather than someone with a different taste).
Speaking for an Internetz oldie perspective and not someone who pretends to know the detailed Charas mechanics:
Charas shouldn't ever lose it's core, it's purpose, to socializing. I can go to any forum to talk. I come here for the game-related content.
Getting into little competitions about who can pull off making a minuscule aspect of a game without it being "cliched" in order to impress others doesn't make for a good game. And you won't be able to change people who do not want to participate in an open atmosphere which encourages experimentation and creativity. But you can reward those who do.
My 2 cents.
Post by: Archem on March 12, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
Also, YES TO WHAT WARXE SAID!!!
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 12, 2007, 05:30:36 PM
Also, w00t for the 2004 Charas generation!
EDIT: Woah, I just realised I predate a large chunk of current members. Specially because I joined in February, thus predating a majority of 2004ers as well. o_O
Post by: Archem on March 12, 2007, 05:43:39 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 12, 2007, 06:26:58 PM
osmose ya know my opinion
so I ain't gonna start no gangsta **** up in this bitch
Post by: Djanki on March 12, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
Anyway, I think maybe it'd be good that we go to Dreamhost.
Also, I'd be more than happy to wear a shirt that says 'Meiscool', lol.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 12, 2007, 07:41:41 PM
Things like colour are pretty artificial but they do alter the atmosphere of a forum.
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on March 12, 2007, 08:27:57 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Dreamhost is an amazing host. They give way more bandwidth then we'd ever need (Using their current numbers, our site needs 1/10th of what they give)
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Originally posted by Osmose
No Game Uploading (Can link to outside source from news or articles, though)
With the new host and extra bandwidth, would games still take too much bandwidth to upload here?
Post by: aboutasoandthis on March 12, 2007, 08:51:48 PM
BTW, since I'm part of the newer generation (06'!!!), I've noticed one thing, except for a certain few members, it's mostly the 16-17 year olds who are still makinging games while the more prominent members are not. I haven't really seen a complete game here without it being from somewhere else.
What this place could use is some non-demanding game teams. Have a group of maybe four or so guys work on one game. They all get involvement with the game, especially including the plot, but each with a different field like mapping and programming.
I've been asked to work on a team before. My main problem with the request came from my time. I couldn't meet on MSN with other people to discuss ideas in time with others. This is what I mean by non-demanding. Maybe exclusive C-Boxes or something will fix this.
If you really want this place to become a prominent game making service, my one piece of advice would be to not make the idea too big.
For me, this place is a hobby. You should take this to heart as I'm part of the group who is still making the games.
Post by: Rowan on March 12, 2007, 09:50:07 PM
Besides that, I agree with this proposition 100%. I'm really looking forward for a games section that is WAY more focused then it currently is now (no offense.)
Post by: Emerates on March 12, 2007, 10:14:14 PM
I wouldn't be able to donate any money, but I still think it's a good idea. Go for it, ja.
(I've noticed there are only about 3-4 '06 members who are regulars, myself included.... *Rocks*)
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 12, 2007, 10:39:18 PM
I better be one of those 3-4 of the '06's! I'm on a lot recently...
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 12, 2007, 10:42:20 PM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
You want a Gaming World?
I was going to post this exact same thing.
Post by: SaiKar on March 12, 2007, 11:52:09 PM
The changes wouldn't be for us. We're already here. The changes would be for newcomers, because frankly there isn't any point coming to Charas's forums if you want to work on your game. The social chat aspect of Charas is pitiful - we get like one new topic a week in All of All. Requests are very rarely answered, there's no way to promote your game, and even if you do release something you can't host it here and most people don't care anyway. A lot of newbies are criticized by older members that shoot down their ideas as "doesn't look good" or "cliched" even though these hotshots rarely, if ever, release their own work.
The bottom line is that a lot of the creative spirit has been beaten out of Charas. Enthusiasm and encouragement has been replaced by mockery and near-impossible standards to impress people. That is why I resigned; the poisonous atmosphere that Charas's game support community has become, in conjuction with the fact that Alex will never give us code access to fix it, made me wonder what I was spending my personal time on to defend. And that's a very general statement that is unfair to certain people, but I'm not an admin anymore and I don't really see any reason to be nice about it. Because a lot of people that aren't part of the solution are definately part of the problem.
Eventually the social regulars of Charas will fade away, and unless something is done to steer the main part of the site back towards game creation, nobody new will replace them. Osmose has ideasl; I say let's give it a shot.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 13, 2007, 12:12:40 AM
EDIT: Three more days til I've been here 2 years! Not sure if I should celebrate or cry...
Post by: Dominicy on March 13, 2007, 12:19:23 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 13, 2007, 12:22:39 AM
However, I want to know: A, will things like our post count and already colored names carry over to the new sever? And B: will there be quality controll for the resources now? Also, if this gets off, can I be in charge of making the screenshot threads?
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 12:25:43 AM
As for Gaming World, no we wouldn't have a Gaming World as much as we'd have a Toolkit Zone (http://www.toolkitzone.com/), which was the major inspiration of the games section idea and the proposition in general. Toolkit Zone has been around for nearly ten years and is home to some of the most amazing games I've seen, especially amateur games. The community has never stopped focusing on game making for as long as I've been visiting (Roughly five or six years by now I'd wager, considering I first found the site when I was around 12).
I'm relieved at the generally positive response, though. If there's any other improvement you think would help benefit the site, no matter how small it is, suggest it! This is one of the best chances we'll have to get our voices heard.
PS: Oh yeah, having multiple choices for site themes is a great idea. Why we don't have it already is beyond me. :
PPS: I'm fairly sure a simple transfer of the database files would preserve post counts and such. As for, er, screenshot threads... um, what? What I meant for screenshots and stuff was a more integrated feature rather than just threads on the forum - more like parts of the site instead of just a bunch of topics attempting to emulate the process.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 13, 2007, 12:32:54 AM
Post by: aboutasoandthis on March 13, 2007, 12:33:47 AM
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I'm relieved at the generally positive response, though.
I love this.
I never said I hated the idea. I actually like it. :p I want to see this place have games as much as the next guy.
I still like my team idea, or a "For Hire" topic. I'd even be willing to work on someone else's game. Having say a
Aboutasoandthis
Willing to Offer: blah blah blah
Abilities: . . .
Experience: Do I need to explain this?
What Must Be Considered: . . .
would shut me up.
Oh, and can we have a spoiler option? You know...where your text can be hidden in a little box or something?
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 13, 2007, 12:34:04 AM
Much like gamingw's current system.
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 12:59:07 AM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
Originally Posted by Osmose
QuoteI'm relieved at the generally positive response, though.
I love this.
I never said I hated the idea. I actually like it. :p I want to see this place have games as much as the next guy.
I still like my team idea, or a "For Hire" topic. I'd even be willing to work on someone else's game. Having say a
Aboutasoandthis
Willing to Offer: blah blah blah
Abilities: . . .
Experience: Do I need to explain this?
What Must Be Considered: . . .
would shut me up.
Oh, and can we have a spoiler option? You know...where your text can be hidden in a little box or something?[/B]
Spoiler option seems reasonable. The for hire thing is also done on TKZone, actually. It could easily be added as a profile option. (List as for hire, type in what you do, and then a larger description of what you do, and a special list of who has this option set on would be made).
Proposed Additions that aren't "More Mods!" because I'm partially unsure as to whether that was sarcastic, and if it wasn't, could use a bit more specificity, such as what needs modding:
-Spoiler tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 13, 2007, 01:02:01 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 13, 2007, 01:03:45 AM
Also, I wouldn't mind being the moderator of the would-be contest thread; that is if you deside to have one. I like teh contesties.
Post by: WarxePB on March 13, 2007, 01:05:30 AM
As it stands now, Charas is dying. The game-making aspect of the site is nearly nonexistent, and the little islands of life that exist outside of the Off-Topic section are few and far between. Even mainstays like AoA and Forum Gaming are not nearly as active as they used to be. If we continue down this path, Charas will be consumed by the Internet void. 5 years of hard work, gone to waste. The Generators, a tool that has helped countless RPG Makers, gone. The Charas Forums, a vibrant and fun community, dead in the water. We need to do something about it - I care too much about this community to let it accept the fate of countless other websites. Even after everything I've done to the detriment of Charas, I still want to see it survive.
I haven't given up hope yet. In the Sanctuary forum a while back, I stated my ultimate dream for this place - for Charas to transcend RPG Maker, and become a place where all forms of art - drawings, video games, writing - were accepted, nourished and encouraged. Unfortunately, Charas isn't mine, so I can't make that decision. But I do like Osmose's vision of a Charas 3.0 - a site focused on RPG Maker, with extensive coverage of all aspects of the program. We'll need to keep our social forums (I expect to see All of All make a comeback), but I would be immensely pleased if Games was much larger.
My point? Adapt or die. Such is the rule of nature, and Charas will need to conform to it. Hopefully, our resurrection/evolution will be superior to the old form in every way, and if the vision is only as good as the final product, we will all benefit.
EDIT: Looks like I'm a bit late. Meh, I wanted to say it anyways.
Also, I think we should integrate the Wiki with the site - in addition to a profile page, we could have a link to a person's CWiki page which would detail anything they like. As I recall, the MediaWiki software is downloadable for free off of Wikipedia, and it would be a bit of copying and pasting to get all of the articles from EditThis to CWiki.
EDIT2: Actually, that seems to be the major point of C3 - integration of the various elements of Charas into a cohesive database. Saved charsets, submitted resources, game info and screenshots, and a Wiki page should all be accessible from a person's profile.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 13, 2007, 01:42:00 AM
In that forum, there is a member group called Veterans. They are people who obey the rules, know what they are talking about, have been with the site for a considerable amount of time, and are generally cool people. People respect and listen to them.
This group, if made, could have certain perks. They wouldn't be restricted by flood control, and perhaps they could use HTML in their posts.
Building on this, that forum has another member group called GEOS (Grand Example of Stupidity). It's a punishment group that has few restrictions (can't make new topics, heavy flood control, etc.). Moderators/Administrators put people in this group when they deserve it and, if they proove themselves worthy, remove them from it.
Charas, due to being focused on RPGMaker (and inherently Fantasy RPGs) could have different member group names. Perhaps Noble and Fool could fit, it's just an idea.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 13, 2007, 01:48:22 AM
Post by: WarxePB on March 13, 2007, 01:53:28 AM
I like the Veteran idea, although I don't know about a n00b group - it seems too arbitrary, and potentially easy to abuse.
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 01:55:34 AM
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There's something I'd like to elaborate on. Meiscool appears to have shown (And others have as well) that some of you don't really get the magnitude of the suggested changes. We aren't going to make a few threads that focus what's already here. We aren't going to do a behind-the-scenes switch that you guys won't notice. We aren't going to do something quite as trivial as that.
We're going to change Charas. We're going to change the look and feel (And let you keep the old look and feel if you want). We're going to unify the entire website into one easy-to-use system. We're going to move to a new server with new rules and new features. This isn't just some little rally. What's being proposed, taken in it's entirety, will change how you use Charas. It's not going to be earth-shattering, and not even as amazing as the speech just made it sound, but it's going to be a big change, and some of you have yet to really see that.
Post by: MrMister on March 13, 2007, 02:00:14 AM
That's fine.. I wanna know what Alex's opinion is on this though, heh.
It's not a bad proposal.. I still stand by my 'make your own site' statement though. There's no reason to even associate Charas with this forum you want to make.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 13, 2007, 02:10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
I don't quite agree with the Veterans idea, but if it's a necesary subset of the Fool idea, which I like far more because it finally gives power to normal moderators so that they can carry out their duties and punish individual users, I'll just have to swallow it.
It's a very beneficial thing though. It gives newbies some people to look to and to potentially get help from. It gives some dedicated members a sort of reward. Moreover, it gives people a goal, something to aspire to, but to do so they need to follow ettiquette and contribute to the community.
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 02:25:46 AM
The ideas are all great. But Sai'Kar left out of frustration at not being able to make the changes he wanted. And therein lies why I even brought this to the public instead of straight to Alex - the chances of the entire proposition being completed are slim to none no matter what. There's gotta be some cutting somewhere. And this is all assuming Alex agrees with the plan.
From his standpoint, Charas is doing fine. The members complain, but they *always* complain. The mods want more power. The mods *always* want more power. Moreover, switching servers, coding new stuff, it's all a lot of work for something that appears to be doing fine without it. I don't blame him at all - not only am I grateful for him making the website in the first place, I can see where he's coming from. There's few reasons to undertake any large part of what Charas 3.0 entails, and a whole world of reasons not too.
It's not this Osmose's website, why is he suggesting all these changes like he owns the place? The kid's always been arrogant and too opinionated for his own good. The only reason he even got to where he is today is because he rode on Sai'Kar's back. And now he thinks he can waltz in and propose these huge changes?
It's hardly as haughty as that, but the general viewpoint from where he's standing gives him no incentive to do anything. Already I feel kinda bad pumping up expectations when I am not the one who makes the call, but really, I couldn't care less if this backfires in my face: If it works, a website I love gets upgraded and I get to help in the process. If it doesn't, my e-penis shrinks and people hate me. OH NOEZ.
Once everyone has had their say and have suggested all that they want to, we'll summon Alex using our magic powers and show him the proposition. What he does from there is his choice, and I'll respect whatever choice he makes, although I don't promise that I won't complain if things don't work out. Dems da breaks.
PS: Propaganda. Couldn't resist.
Post by: aboutasoandthis on March 13, 2007, 02:29:19 AM
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 02:33:07 AM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
Dude, I love the baby. Soon to be signatured.
Baby? It's an RMXP template... :blue-eye:
Post by: aboutasoandthis on March 13, 2007, 02:35:11 AM
Edit: BTW Osmose, I know I don't show it much but I respect your authority and I like you as a person. It sucks that we have this wierd wall or something. Any tension (The Christmas Thread) mostly came from me not respecting authority in general at the time. I just wanted to say that.
Post by: MrMister on March 13, 2007, 02:40:57 AM
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
I'll call it a baby if I want it to. Don't embarrass me now and ruin this for me. :(
I thought it was a reference to the baby in a bubble from Space Odyssey 2001.. I guess Osmose ain't hip enough hA HA
osmose I'm sorry for bein mean to you
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 13, 2007, 03:39:21 AM
*jumps off*
I forgot to mention. You need to make sure that the new Charas, if it is created, can handle lower-case BBCode.
EDIT: And doesn't resize things in [IMG] tags.
Post by: Djanki on March 13, 2007, 11:20:30 AM
That might overload the bandwidth, but...
Make room for me on teh bandwidth bandwagon! ^_^
Post by: neb87 on March 13, 2007, 11:43:55 AM
to donate some cash or ill get 50 First Born Children
to illegally operate a sweat shop and donate all
proceeds to charas, there death's will not be in VAIN
lol, think i have drank to much coffee
Post by: charaman on March 13, 2007, 01:24:03 PM
Also, I could offer you hosting, I have like 1 TB of bandwidth on my hosing id if trhats enough
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2007, 04:31:52 PM
I support this. Charas is like Blue crack...but its like blue crack thats not cut with speed. Cook some speed into that crack, and youve got yourself a slice of junkie heaven.
Or, in not retard speak: I believe that this is a sewome Idea. I dont think it would be Gamingw. But it would be improved....or dare i say it...
ON PAR with the other sites out there. Charas sort of needs to be cleaned up. Inactive members...malorganized resouces...
I like that we've stayed 2K3 oriented....but theres a whole world of XP out there too, and more people are begining to get into that here. We have no scripts archives...or differentiating system for 2k3 and xp resources aside from "Just post them in 'various'". Charas is still better than other sites....we've got a wickedawesome pile of resources, and the generators....but this whole thing could be soooo much more.....on par....and better.
I would contribute some cash....but I'd have to send it after I was done my contract, and thats not until June....late june.....and If the Idea gets Nixed then Im not sending money.
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 13, 2007, 05:29:28 PM
The Alex thing isn't a problem if we switch to a host that allows us to edit the site, right? The biggest issue is the host decision. If we switch then we don't have to pester Alex anyway.
Post by: Bluhman on March 13, 2007, 07:07:07 PM
Post by: Rowan on March 13, 2007, 08:10:10 PM
If Charas 3.0 does go through, I think we should disable post count and use some sort of ranking system like ZKX and others had said. Respect shouldn't come from the number of posts that member has made.
Post by: Cerebus on March 13, 2007, 09:00:09 PM
I'd like more All of All Topic, since it's the section I usually go. There haven't been a lot recently... I'd also like to see games made by people, could also maybe make one... if I could get more inspiration...
A new banner would be nice too, but I guess you already had that in mind.
Edit : Uhm, it isn't related to it, but... could someone tell me why I went from 800+ posts to 546? Didn't even noticed until then...
Post by: White Dwarf on March 13, 2007, 09:46:22 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
I would SO buy a shirt that said "Sexy boot" or "i can shoot missiles lol".
I agree.
And pish, I can't be bothered to read the rest. >_>
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 13, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
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Originally posted by Rowan
Heres an idea:
If Charas 3.0 does go through, I think we should disable post count and use some sort of ranking system like ZKX and others had said. Respect shouldn't come from the number of posts that member has made.
I dunno, when I go to a new forum I find that post counts help me make sense of the madness. Clearly we don't want to be elitist, but it's easier for newbs to pick out the regulars if the post counts are shown.
Don't ask me why, but I'm lost otherwise, particularly in big forums.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 13, 2007, 11:12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
An interesting proposal, no doubt. I definitely would be willing to donate a few bucks to switch servers.
So, would we use the same generator/forum code we have now, then add on a bunch of stuff? Or would we start from scratch?
EDIT: Also, we need a merchandise store. I would SO buy a shirt that said "Sexy boot" or "i can shoot missiles lol".
Merchandise store yes, but I dont think we should make members pay to become members.
Post by: Osmose on March 13, 2007, 11:36:21 PM
Running list of proposed additions:
-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-Disable post counts
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
I don't particularly remember anything that people were against, but please remind me if there is. After a while I'll ask for a quick vote on what should and shouldn't be added. It won't be a OMG 1 VOTE WIN vote, just a "If most people don't like this we'll take it away. If it's evenly mixed, we'll... work it out. Or something." vote.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 14, 2007, 12:11:27 AM
I opt for keeping post count.
Also, you didn't seem to include the veteran and punishment member groups suggestion. :eyes:
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2007, 01:45:05 AM
An XP section on the CR. Organization FTW.
Also, only ninnies pay to join forums.
But I would glady donate. I live in alberta Canada. We pooh money here.
Post by: MrMister on March 14, 2007, 02:05:52 AM
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Originally posted by gemini
I think a good add-on is a "script" tag as well....and get this....
An XP section on the CR. Organization FTW.
Also, only ninnies pay to join forums.
But I would glady donate. I live in alberta Canada. We pooh money here.
I know an SA goon who could kick your Albertan ***..
right in the balls!
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2007, 02:27:30 AM
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Originally posted by MrMisterQuoteOriginally posted by gemini
I think a good add-on is a "script" tag as well....and get this....
An XP section on the CR. Organization FTW.
Also, only ninnies pay to join forums.
But I would glady donate. I live in alberta Canada. We pooh money here.
I know an SA goon who could kick your Albertan ***..
right in the balls![/B]
Probably. Those corn fed Skatcheeanites...Like apes.
But they like to spend money on Tattoos.
Post by: WarxePB on March 14, 2007, 02:58:29 AM
So far, most of the ideas are pretty good. I don't really care for the disabling post count thing, because it defeats the purpose of posting - there has to be some incentive to keep posting.
Post by: Ben on March 14, 2007, 03:03:01 AM
Also....Manitoba can only kick the *** of the 3 easternmost provinces.
And thats only because its actually possible to get a job there.
BC is cooler, but Alberta would win in an arm wrestling tournament.
SA can spit tobacco the farthest. ON pretty much just drinks lattes and sucks...In QU, its like, Cheese Curds and gravy.
Post by: Fortet on March 14, 2007, 03:17:33 AM
Granted I'm poor, so no donations from me. Sorry :P
I'll do whatever I can to help, though.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 14, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
Wait, Ottawa is home to politicians, so I'm only hurting out cause... >_>
Post by: neb87 on March 14, 2007, 07:51:36 AM
Post by: coreystranick on March 14, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
Post by: Tomi on March 14, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
Post by: Cosmos on March 14, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
Post by: Omega Weapon on March 14, 2007, 04:40:55 PM
No amount of software changes are going to magically solve apathy towards the gaming aspect of Charas, IMMHO.
Post by: Cosmos on March 14, 2007, 04:43:30 PM
Post by: Shady Ultima on March 14, 2007, 05:07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
Messie has a point.. It's really up to the older members and they know who they are. Going off on new members whether they be newb or n00b is only gonna keep people away. <<
But that is the point of making the forum be more game-oriented. Right now, people come here, and want to show off their games, and get requests, and nobody helps them. Thus, they leave. And if they don't leave right away, then they get snapped at by some of the other members because they didn't read the rules.
Post by: Cosmos on March 14, 2007, 05:18:36 PM
It really comes down to giving a bit of respect to the newbies/n00bs the same respect you would give an oldie even if ya don't like'em.
Post by: Blue_Strife on March 14, 2007, 06:13:20 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
It really comes down to giving a bit of respect to the newbies/n00bs the same respect you would give an oldie even if ya don't like'em.
Aww, but where's the fun in that? :P
Nah, in all seriousness, Tiff's got a point.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 14, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
And if they don't leave right away, then they get snapped at by some of the other members because they didn't read the rules.
What a fantastic point. The next time a n00b breaks a rule because they clearly didn't read the rules, we just won't tell them.
Awesome.
Also Tiff, games get praise when they are GOOD. It's only irony that n00bs make crappy games, or is it? Hell, when I was a n00b, I had a game called Pact that several people considered to be good.
Post by: Dragonium on March 14, 2007, 07:17:49 PM
The general consensus is that we should give them encouragement when they post a game thread, and give only constructive criticism. But the fact of the matter is that everyone's perception of "constructive criticism" and "insulting spam" is different. Some members try to give what they see as constructive criticism, but the member making the game takes it the wrong way.
We have to admit that sometimes our older members' criticism is anything but sensitive, but it's not always our fault.
Also, about reminding n00bs of the rules, it's a necessary evil. It says all over the forums that you should read the rules before posting. If they didn't do that, they deserve to be told off for it.
Post by: Osmose on March 14, 2007, 08:03:18 PM
The problem with constructive criticism and flaming is this: Different people have different opinions. I can't for the life of me see why anyone likes Meiscool's maps: They're overcrowded and are all Rudra (The second point I may be wrong on, as I'm not a chipset expert, but they all look sickeningly similar), and not as a single style of chipset, but the same chips with different colors for different areas, which, to me, looks bad. Most successful and commercial games are much less crowded, and I think they look way better than his style. And yet a lot of other people on Charas think he's a great mapper.
Now this in itself is nothing bad, but it doesn't get people off the hook. I don't like Meiscool's maps: I explained why in a generally objective member, and even mentioned that I may be wrong in one of my assumptions. More and more members, however, would've said, "Meiscool's maps suck, there should be less stuff. Try looking at something better, because right now they look horrible." They focus more on the negative aspect, which is ridiculous.
People these days don't appreciate that making a game may lead to later on making a better game, or the fact that encouraging someone instead of simply pointing out bluntly that their current work is bad compared to something else. But before we can start trying to make insulting members into more constructive members (And it doesn't help that I don't use RPG Maker, but the fact is that criticism is hardly something unique to RPG Maker) we should re-focus the site on the games themselves.
Also, here's a few things I'm proposing that just occured to me:
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 14, 2007, 09:34:20 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
The problem with constructive criticism and flaming is this: Different people have different opinions. I can't for the life of me see why anyone likes Meiscool's maps: They're overcrowded and are all Rudra (The second point I may be wrong on, as I'm not a chipset expert, but they all look sickeningly similar), and not as a single style of chipset, but the same chips with different colors for different areas, which, to me, looks bad. Most successful and commercial games are much less crowded, and I think they look way better than his style. And yet a lot of other people on Charas think he's a great mapper.
Now this in itself is nothing bad, but it doesn't get people off the hook. I don't like Meiscool's maps: I explained why in a generally objective member, and even mentioned that I may be wrong in one of my assumptions. More and more members, however, would've said, "Meiscool's maps suck, there should be less stuff. Try looking at something better, because right now they look horrible." They focus more on the negative aspect, which is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Osmose
If anyone is entering, here's a tip: Stuff as many random objects (leaves, stumps, bushes, animals) as possible into your map, and you'll get a 10. If there's a single space without something on top of it, you get bumped down to an 8 automatically. :)
LOL hypocrite.
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Also, about reminding n00bs of the rules, it's a necessary evil. It says all over the forums that you should read the rules before posting. If they didn't do that, they deserve to be told off for it.
I would like to note that this thread already has 562 views.
Do you know how many views the All of All forum rules thread has?
609.
Wow. That means that the number of people that have looked over the All of All forum rules is less than or equal to 609. That means that the number of members that has actually bothered to read the forum rules is, at MAX, 3%.
We need stricter enforcement on reading the rules. I might not always follow the rules, but at least I know them. Even though I've visited other forums before and knew that this forum would probally have the same (if not, then similar) rules, I still took the time to read them.
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 14, 2007, 09:37:44 PM
Post by: SaiKar on March 14, 2007, 09:43:24 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Older members being dicks is why I really liked the Fool feature. It allows a mod to make someone who bashes a newbie a fool until they get the idea.
Try as you like, you can't have moderators threaten people until they change. It always ends poorly. Trust me, I know.
Unfortunately, and as usual, Mid's right; no amount of website upgrades can make people be less of a jerk. But consider that not everyone that comes to the site now leaves. If we make the site more attractive in general to newcomers, more of them should stay, so even if the jerks are still out there we'll have more newcomers around. That's a good thing.
I highly am against formal veteran and noob categories for members with different privledges. The only time I've seen that work is with Sanctuary, and even that didn't work all that well. Just giving it to people that have been around a long time or have a lot of posts creates ANOTHER way to seperate the newbies and make them seem like less of members.
The only sort of distinction that might be good is giving people that donate actual money some sort of bonus. Because if you're directly paying to help keep Charas afloat, you're cool, no questions asked.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
We need stricter enforcement on reading the rules. I might not always follow the rules, but at least I know them.
Then what in the farking hell is the point of you knowing the rules if you don't follow them! You yourself prove there's no reason to make people read the rules; even the people that DO claim to know them don't care!
Honestly, about the rules, the main point of posting them is so that moderators can say smug things like "Well if you would have read the clearly-posted rules, you'd know that..." Nobody reads the rules. I sure didn't read the rules when I started here. But it really doesn't matter. Those rules weren't decided by lawyers; they were written by normal people. If you have any scrap of common sense it's very easy to follow 90% of them, with the few exceptions being about double posting and bumping topics.
Post by: Bluhman on March 14, 2007, 09:44:44 PM
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Originally posted by A Forgotten Legend
BURN!!!!!
Sarcasm, man. Both MIC and Ozzy's quote about placing stuff everywhere are just jests.
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 14, 2007, 09:46:43 PM
Post by: Osmose on March 14, 2007, 10:19:38 PM
Veteran system can be changed to Charas Supporter system, which I would totally support, and actually proposed near the end of the proposal.
Oh, and Sai makes a compelling point about the rules. I say we should have a "Read the rules" page during registration. After going over the more commonly-broken rules it would contain, in the middle, "To continue, remove all the text from this box and click OK below." At the end it would say, "No, you have to read the rules!" to ensure that people read the more important rules while registering.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 14, 2007, 10:36:05 PM
Post by: Glitch on March 14, 2007, 11:19:42 PM
Anywho, I happen to be fond of this idea, some change is always welcome. I like the special privelege (sp?) for donating, and I agree that there should be some other way to punish people who break rules. I also like the different category for n00bs thing. If used correctly and not abused it could be a good way to show people how not to act when they join, thus helping to avoid newb flaming.
+15 Support!
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2007, 12:30:48 AM
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2007, 12:34:38 AM
Its easy to feign it. Make them complete a multiple choice quiz.
And then a liscensing program.
And then take a stool sample.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2007, 12:40:39 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Oh, and Sai makes a compelling point about the rules. I say we should have a "Read the rules" page during registration. After going over the more commonly-broken rules it would contain, in the middle, "To continue, remove all the text from this box and click OK below." At the end it would say, "No, you have to read the rules!" to ensure that people read the more important rules while registering.
Sai makes a good point? I believe that was my point. All I got from his post was that not reading the rules is as good as reading the rules, and that n00bs have no common sense.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 15, 2007, 12:43:02 AM
Post by: Bluhman on March 15, 2007, 12:43:13 AM
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Originally posted by gemini
Read the rules page is silly.
Its easy to feign it. Make them complete a multiple choice quiz.
And then a liscensing program.
And then take a stool sample.
That's a cool idea. THAT would ward away silly fools.
Wait, that would ruin my signature greeting...
Oh well!
EDIT: I mean just the first part with the quiz. The other two things are just silly.
Post by: Osmose on March 15, 2007, 01:21:39 AM
ZeroKirby: If someone gets mad at you for giving them constructive criticism, then just stop giving them the benefit of your opinion. Obviously they don't deserve it if they're going to whine about it, but it's no reason to be preemptively mean.
Sometime tomorrow I'm going to take the list of changes and start focusing on refining them rather than just having anyone suggest anything, as we're already doing that on some of the ideas anyway. Sometime during Friday-Saturday I'll ask for votes and then compile the final list and, hopefully, summon Alex Sunday.
Post by: Shady Ultima on March 15, 2007, 02:21:44 AM
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Originally posted by MeiscoolQuoteOriginally posted by Shady Ultima
And if they don't leave right away, then they get snapped at by some of the other members because they didn't read the rules.
What a fantastic point. The next time a n00b breaks a rule because they clearly didn't read the rules, we just won't tell them.
Awesome.
[/B]
Sorry, I suppose I wasn't clear enough. Its not so much that other members snap, its the WAY they snap on them. I agree whole-heartedly with letting newer members know that they need to follow the rules, and also, with having a page on registering that they need to read the rules for.
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2007, 02:24:21 AM
With what you're proposing, they won't even finish registering at all.
And no one is overly abusive to new members, so.. what are you guys even thinking
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 15, 2007, 02:54:10 AM
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ZeroKirby: If someone gets mad at you for giving them constructive criticism, then just stop giving them the benefit of your opinion. Obviously they don't deserve it if they're going to whine about it, but it's no reason to be preemptively mean.
Well, I can see what yeh mean. How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?
Post by: SaiKar on March 15, 2007, 03:10:36 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
The way it is now, people join and leave a week later.
With what you're proposing, they won't even finish registering at all.
As much as hate to, I agree with MrMister. Forcing someone to read a paragraph to find a small detail that is necessary for them to complete registration is impractical. Not to mention highly insulting. Newbies don't want to play stupid games like that.
And Meiscool's point was that rules need to be better enforced. That was NOT my point. My point is that it doesn't really matter. When in Charas history is the chapter where a newbie that didn't read the rules caused mass chaos on the site? A simple "please don't double post" or "posting links to the RPGMaker program is illegal" is usually all it takes. People like ZeroKirbyX wanted more mods? Let's have these mods do their job! ;)
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Originally posted by MrMister
How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?
This just in: not everyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Occasionally you're being stupid too. And for someone that's professed how much they don't care, you seem to be posting here a lot. :p
Post by: Osmose on March 15, 2007, 03:11:18 AM
MrMister: I kinda agree with you - it sounded good at the time, but now it's starting to sound kinda bad. I'll probably not include it in the final proposition mainly because it's not one of the major issues anyway.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 15, 2007, 03:29:10 AM
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And Meiscool's point was that rules need to be better enforced.
Did I say that? Shucks, I'm pretty sure I said:
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Originally posted by Meiscool
We need stricter enforcement on reading the rules.
However, I've been known to be mistaken and have often had things I've said taken completely out of context.
Stress on the word "reading". It's not so much the fact that n00bs break the rules that I dislike, it's the fact that they don't know the rules to begin with.
Honestly, if they can't respect our laws, we shouldn't respect them. Just as I'm sure that most of the moderating team doesn't respect me because, Duh Hoi, I don't always put the rules before my random opinions.
Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 15, 2007, 03:54:57 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 15, 2007, 04:01:43 AM
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Originally posted by SaiKarQuoteOriginally posted by MrMister
How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?
This just in: not everyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Occasionally you're being stupid too. And for someone that's professed how much they don't care, you seem to be posting here a lot. :p[/B]
ZeroKirbyX said this, not me.
v('v')v
SonicChaos: kickin people in the nuts. how badass u must be.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 15, 2007, 04:08:48 AM
Would, "Good lord you're a fuggin' dumbass" be too blunt Moose?
Post by: SaiKar on March 15, 2007, 08:05:30 AM
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Oh wow Sai, I'm really trying to figure out how you did that, and I've got... nothin XD I didn't mean more "mod" mods, just people that could say stuff like "No double posting" or whatnot without getting the good ol' "No backseat modding" line.
Yes... and I'm saying that we already have lots of people like that, so why not have them keep doing it and not worry about this nonsense about trying to somehow force people to read the rules to register for the site.
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 15, 2007, 01:54:49 PM
But it's a good plan. Don't know if I could help out too much though.
But it does bring back the possibility for this one idea I had.
Post by: Cosmos on March 15, 2007, 02:17:07 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
Unfortunately, and as usual, Mid's right; no amount of website upgrades can make people be less of a jerk. But consider that not everyone that comes to the site now leaves. If we make the site more attractive in general to newcomers, more of them should stay, so even if the jerks are still out there we'll have more newcomers around. That's a good thing.
You make it sound as if I'm always wrong. :P
Post by: Omega Weapon on March 15, 2007, 03:16:14 PM
(This was meant to be directed at newbie games, but I suppose it could apply to posting in general)
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 15, 2007, 04:33:32 PM
Charas only attracts a select group of people.
Post by: Omega Weapon on March 15, 2007, 05:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
But the problem is, most come, ask something, and leave as quick as they came. That's one of the differences Charas has with other communities.
Charas only attracts a select group of people.
Why would they want to stay, if they're only being told how inept they are instead of being offered constructive criticism?
It seems to attract many people, but those that are less interested in making games are the ones that stay.
Is this an accurate overview?
Post by: Osmose on March 15, 2007, 06:31:19 PM
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
It would allow Gary to talk about site coding with other staff members without being a mod.
Post by: Glitch on March 15, 2007, 06:52:46 PM
I know you guys think its hypocritical of us (a game and resource making site) to not allow new members to make requests. But seriously, is there not something we can do about the usual pattern of
-Random newbie starts horrifyingly bad game
-Random newbie suddenly realizes he needs resources but doesn't feel like making new ones
-Random newbie comes to Charas and basically requests that we make an entirely new set of resources just for his game (that will not be finished)
-Two hours later same newbie bumbs his thread unnecessarily saying "Is anyone gonna do this?"
- A half an hour later, another bump
-Lonewolf answers and tries to do the request
-Meiscool, Zkx, or anyother member come up and inform him it prolly won't get done and that he's retarted for trying.
-Osmose tells previous poster to not be a jerk
-Some in general bickering
-The thread is forgotten and that same newbie makes a new thread for resources for his new game
-Everyone waits till the next newbie comes along...
Does that look familiar to anyone besides me? And seriously, is there any point to dozens of new request threads being made all the time by people who we know full well are not going to complete their game?
Also, I think it would be cool if we could change the swear word filter so that instead of **** or ****ing, it would say Fricking, or something like that or instead of ***** it would say Prostitute (and for that matter whore isn't even a really bad word, it's an adjective/noun)
Well that's my two cents.
Post by: Osmose on March 15, 2007, 07:07:27 PM
A few weeks ago I asked Daeturnys (Or however you spell RotD's new name) if he could make a charaset of Moose because I really liked his style, and he agreed to. I don't make games. I'm probably not going to make a game. And most if not all of my cameos are in Sai'Kar's various projects. And yet he did it despite that it probably won't get used, and I'm really grateful for that. That's the kind of attitude that should be prevalent - a spriter should make sprites because they improve themselves during it, not to be in the credits of a random RPG Maker game.
My view is that if the person's game doesn't work out, you can submit your charaset to complete resources or break it up into pieces and submit it to the generators. That way if someone asks for a similar sprite or wants to use a part from it, they can, and it improves the site.
One way that would boost the amount of requests fulfilled, I think, is to add a feature to the requests forum that allows a thread starter to indicate if their request was completed, and by whom. They would choose what kind of request it is first, and then requests completed would be in the profile and there could be a leaderboard. It would really benefit the site, I think.
Post by: SaiKar on March 15, 2007, 07:14:02 PM
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Originally posted by Glitch
-Random newbie starts horrifyingly bad game
-Random newbie suddenly realizes he needs resources but doesn't feel like making new ones
-Random newbie comes to Charas and basically requests that we make an entirely new set of resources just for his game (that will not be finished)
-Two hours later same newbie bumbs his thread unnecessarily saying "Is anyone gonna do this?"
- A half an hour later, another bump
-Lonewolf answers and tries to do the request
-Meiscool, Zkx, or anyother member come up and inform him it prolly won't get done and that he's retarted for trying.
-Osmose tells previous poster to not be a jerk
-Some in general bickering
-The thread is forgotten and that same newbie makes a new thread for resources for his new game
-Everyone waits till the next newbie comes along...
:bend: Freaking awesome.
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Does that look familiar to anyone besides me? And seriously, is there any point to dozens of new request threads being made all the time by people who we know full well are not going to complete their game?
It depends on your idea of "a point". I have serious doubts that ANYBODY at Charas will complete their games. But, more importantly, does it matter? RPG making is a hobby. It's not like anybody is making money off this stuff. I can see not wanting to help people that don't look too serious, but that's a personal choice individuals make on their own. I'd be perfectly willing to help a newbie with a request if was a really interesting request and something I was good at.
I just wish that people that NEVER answer requests would shut up and stay out of that forum. I seriously think it should be worth a ban after a number of offenses. Constantly attacking people while never offering anything positive is no different than trolling - and we ban trolls.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 15, 2007, 07:45:47 PM
[OFF-TOPIC] Osmose, thanks for using me as a good example. ^_^ By the way, it's Dae - tyr - nis. But at least Daeturnys is around the same pronounciation.
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2007, 07:49:46 PM
It would be alot better if by default, the filter was ON, but one could turn it to OFF.
Also, Glitch's scenario was bang on.I :L'd. But not OL
it would be cool to find a way to regulate it. A limit on request threads per month...but even that wouldnt stop it. Its something one has to deal with I think.
But I do think being allowed to politely point out the pointlessness of large requests to nubs should be acceptable. Or posting a tip on how to DO IT YOURSELF is cool. Getting bonked for pointing out the silliness of a request is Re-tah-ded. But thats just me.
Post by: Cosmos on March 15, 2007, 08:54:29 PM
And.. does it REALLY matter if a game never gets completed? I thought this was all suppose to be fun. You guys are like the grinch when it comes to coughing up resources. So what if they dun use it, someone else will.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 15, 2007, 08:54:57 PM
It could be a link after registering. Like "Thank you for registering for a Charas account. If you are joining to ask for resources, please be sure to read the Requester's Guide ."
Obviously, the bolded text would be a link.
EDIT: Again, we really need to have lowercase BBCode accepted. And perhaps a preview option in addition to the post button.
Post by: Dragonium on March 15, 2007, 09:15:17 PM
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Originally posted by gemini
Swear filters are silly though...
It would be alot better if by default, the filter was ON, but one could turn it to OFF.
This idea wins 7 internets.
Post by: SaiKar on March 15, 2007, 11:46:31 PM
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We could always have, ya' know, a guide to requesting. Something about how huge requests don't get answered and how to ask better. It could also touch on that constructive criticism isn't meant to be hurtful, and such.
http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=4599&forumid=5&catid=4
Close to three years old now. In nice easy-to-spot red coloring. People that don't read that probably wouldn't read it if we put it in the registration process. Though I guess that couldn't hurt.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 15, 2007, 11:55:59 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKarQuoteOriginally posted by Daetyrnis
We could always have, ya' know, a guide to requesting. Something about how huge requests don't get answered and how to ask better. It could also touch on that constructive criticism isn't meant to be hurtful, and such.
http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=4599&forumid=5&catid=4
Close to three years old now. In nice easy-to-spot red coloring. People that don't read that probably wouldn't read it if we put it in the registration process. Though I guess that couldn't hurt.[/B]
Ah, didn't see that. Mind you I don't really request things much...
Odd. Perhaps the title is too much like "Rules". Perhaps something like "How to get your request fulfilled" would attract more views?
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2007, 12:17:44 AM
Example: Make a thread called "Read this before you request" or "Guide to Requesting". In the guide, it will tell about a little code that you have to have somewhere in your post in order for your request to be fullfilled.
Say the code was DuckHunter. Then the request would look like this:
plz plz make 4 chara for me plz
-DuckHunter-
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 16, 2007, 12:34:28 AM
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2007, 12:43:24 AM
Have the requests thread READ-ONLY until a Little quizlet has been filled out...or until a certain post count is reached.
A Help For Newbies thread will satiate the thirst to request with helpfull information, and if the help thread is abused with requests, then the topic can simply be deleted.
OR...
Make a key input for the request thread....and then a conditional branch that checks to see if the Switch NEWBIE REQ.RULES is set to ON. Then Make the key input = 6 sop that when the esc. key is pushed, it asks if youve read the rules....the a show face for Alex, and a message thats like "you need 44 potions to enter"
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2007, 12:57:37 AM
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
But if they saw someone else's request, then they would know that the code would be Duckhunter, right?
If I started randomly posting PenisBlow at the end of all my posts, would you think it's a password?
Post by: MrMister on March 16, 2007, 01:36:36 AM
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Originally posted by MeiscoolQuoteOriginally posted by Daetyrnis
But if they saw someone else's request, then they would know that the code would be Duckhunter, right?
If I started randomly posting PenisBlow at the end of all my posts, would you think it's a password?[/B]
If YOU did?
Hmm...
Anyways, I don't think that rule is in effect anymore.
I initially liked it, but a lot of introduction threads are just as annoying.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 16, 2007, 02:15:22 AM
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Originally posted by gemini
or until a certain post count is reached.
Just conjecture, but that would most likely result in spam posts.
Post by: MrMister on March 16, 2007, 03:21:57 AM
Due to the off chance a newbie actually wants to help.
Post by: SaiKar on March 16, 2007, 05:55:55 AM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 16, 2007, 08:39:18 AM
We can't make people stay on this forums.
However, I could code something which makes certain forums only accessable with a certain amount of posts. I could probably also make it so that people can view and reply, but not post new topics. Then, there's a sticky on top with "REQUEST THREAD FOR PEOPLE WITH LOW POSTCOUNT" or something. This way everybody's happy, and the request board won't be spammed up.
Post by: Osmose on March 16, 2007, 09:30:39 AM
Post by: Cosmos on March 16, 2007, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: Glitch on March 16, 2007, 05:24:30 PM
I wasn't really suggesting we make it harder to make requests, I'm just suggesting we have a solution to the pattern I posted.
One thing that we should work on is the same questions being asked over and over again. The standard n00b questions that every day a few topics are made to ask. Is there something we can do to preempt that? And don't throw that "If we were good members you wouldn't mind answering questions" bull crap at us, you know full well it's annoying seeing the same 5 questions every day, It would benefit everyone if there was some way to inform people before they even ask the question, cause the current method of a red titled thread is clearly not working.
Oh, I also think it would be cool if Charas Mods had to renew their modship each year or something, like be re-elected. Instead of having to wait until they do something (i.e. Nuke Forum Gaming, Delete Topics arbitrarily). It would also cut down on special treatment, that way if someone got put into a job because of connections but the entire forum hated them/thought they weren't doing a good job they wouldn't get to rule however they wanted. (No that was not a shot at Osmose or Mid, just an example of what could happen).
Granted the Re-election thing could be abused by people voting someone out just cause they don't like him and voting someone in cause they do, so you would have to have safeguards, like Admin approved candidates or something, and Mods and Admins having higher weighted votes cause they've seen the candidate behind the scenes. Just an idea.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 16, 2007, 06:02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Glitch
One thing that we should work on is the same questions being asked over and over again. The standard n00b questions that every day a few topics are made to ask. Is there something we can do to preempt that?
We need an easily accessable and easy-to-read database of tutorials. Especially ones that handle things such as importing graphics and such.
Post by: Bluhman on March 16, 2007, 07:55:57 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 16, 2007, 09:45:50 PM
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Originally posted by Glitch
Oh, I also think it would be cool if Charas Mods had to renew their modship each year or something, like be re-elected. Instead of having to wait until they do something (i.e. Nuke Forum Gaming, Delete Topics arbitrarily). It would also cut down on special treatment, that way if someone got put into a job because of connections but the entire forum hated them/thought they weren't doing a good job they wouldn't get to rule however they wanted. (No that was not a shot at Osmose or Mid, just an example of what could happen).
A moderator's job is stressful enough.
I'm not saying this because I'm afraid to lose any power, but that's a funking ridiculous idea. And it make the management out to look like a bunch of inept baboons.
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 02:17:24 AM
-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-Disable post counts
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Veteran user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
Addition: - Post Preview Option
Alternatives about the requests forum were not added because so far everyone has a different idea and no one has really agreed on anything, although adding rules at signup with an emphasis on non-obvious stuff (IE in big letters at the top) seems to be the best alternative to me. If we can all agree it'll be added to the list.
And mods aren't elected. That's just not how it works, although if enough people REALLY want it, I can't plausibly deny its addition outright, although I'm fairly sure very few people would actually go for it.
Either way, you've got until Sunday afternoon/evening or, at the most, Monday to either show support for one thing or ask that another be removed.
I myself am against disabling post counts and giving Veteran benefits (Not a final name, obviously) to people who have not donated. I am supportive of everything else, including Veteran benefits for people who donate.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 17, 2007, 02:46:57 AM
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-[STRIKE]Veteran[/STRIKE]Donator user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
Took out what I disagree with, changed what I thought should be.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 17, 2007, 03:01:03 AM
And, again with the bandwagon (but with strikethrough and bolding)
-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
[STRIKE]-Disable post counts[/STRIKE]
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Veteran user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
-Preview option for posting
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 17, 2007, 03:03:41 AM
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2007, 04:17:04 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 17, 2007, 04:24:17 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-[STRIKE]Veteran[/STRIKE]Donator user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
Took out what I disagree with, changed what I thought should be.
I agree with this.
Disabling post counts is pointless. Sure, some people view it as some status symbol, or edick, but **** em.
Most of that info underneath your name shouldn't be there.
When I see a post I'd rather just see their avatar, custom title, register date, and time of post. The rest should just be in the profile.
And Charas isn't a korean MMO, we don't need special privileges for donators.
Premium items are dick.
Uhm.. No one has the cognitive capacity to organize a Charas Store, and no one will buy anything. It will cost SOMEONE a lot of money, and make almost nothing.
Make your own sweaters. It's not like you'll wear em outside.
lateniteedit: This is a fuckin worthless proposal. Alex won't go through with it, you'll lose interest, none of these ideas are good, you're a fuckin tool. Charas isn't yours, and what you're proposing isn't even Charas. VahnGrave(I think) said "If I donate $500 to charas then that's my business. I don't expect to get anything in return because it's a DONATION. Otherwise that means I've boutght your respect."
Shut up Osmose.
Post by: Trevlac on March 17, 2007, 11:41:40 AM
Osmose, I knew that one day you'd try to pull a Bill Gates, but I never knew you'd manipulate Saikar and the members of charas to do it. I guess some people change for the worse. Or maybe you were always like this and you just hid it. You have the personality of a manipulative megalomaniac who regularly practices ego masturbation.
Everything in this proposal is completely pointless for charas and designed only to achieve power for yourself. I've always been an outright person so there's really no reason to make my accusations subtle.
Supporting Charas 3.0 is equivalent to supporting Windows ME.
What a thinly veiled attempt this was, Osmose. Or should I say mein fuhrer.
Post by: Bluhman on March 17, 2007, 02:30:51 PM
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Originally posted by Trevlac
..Everything in this proposal is completely pointless for charas..
... How is a complete resource viewer that allows you to see what resources were viewed the most and rated the highest not beneficial to charas and completely and utterly for the power of Osmose? The only really dumb thing he has in his list of prepositions, and the only thing that you guys might be right about, is the whole donations thing I support the whole idea about Veteran rewards, but nothing special to donators. Other than the whole involvement of money and special privileges for those who donate, this is a very good idea, if I'd say so.
But if you guys are really right, then Alex will turn down the offer and charas will remain the way it's been.
EDIT: Hey, somebody added a 'moved' feature to threads. That's cool.
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
If I was trying to make Charas into my own site, there's a million other ways to do it easier, most obviously simply focusing my attention on becoming the only Head Admin if possible and then forcing my changes from that position. As it is, I've got a proposal that's trying to get a community consensus - people are allowed to put their own opinion into this and strike down anything I put in simply by saying so. Furthermore, if I am given admin status I'm not going to accept it unless Razor receives it too. In the case that the proposal is rejected, having a single admin with ban powers makes no sense compared to having two people who can make the call and help safeguard the forums.
If I was trying to manipulate Charas, I wouldn't be giving them an open door to change the proposal to whatever they want it to be. I'd be telling them the improvements I have in mind and then implementing them immediately, trying to put them forth as all 100% good. Not to mention that accusing me of manipulating Sai'Kar is accusing Sai'Kar of being a controllable idiot with little to no opinion of his own.
MrMister, you simply threw all the stuff you've said before, and I've already explained why I disagree with you - I don't think we should continue blindly sticking to old traditions.
Trevlac, however, has come out of the blue. Well, okay, not totally out of the blue - you've done similar stuff before. Some times you're a generally likeable guy, a great artists, and a decent game maker. Other times, however, you're a pompous self-proclaimed hacker. You claim that you can hack the site (And in effect try to spread fear to others about how Charas is so easily hacked and how unsecure we are), but when Alex asks you to show him so that he may fix the vulnerability, you refuse to because you, apparently, think he's trying to call you out or something. If you really can hack Charas, there's no reason not to help Alex fix whatever's letting you do this, unless you just hate Charas or something.
Also, I'd love to hear how everything in this proposal is designed to give me more power. How allowing others to upload their games and have other users rate them on site through a site system rather than via forum posts gives me more power. How Looking at a new image format that could help improve the generators gives me more power. How adding different color themes to the site gives me more power.
From what I see of your post, you're trying to troll me into doing something stupid like saying, "**** YOU, I'LL BAN YOU AS SOON AS I'M ADMIN." And you've succeeded in that I posted a response, but really? I don't care. Although some people may be moved by your eloquence and join you in hating me and the proposal, I'd bet that most people will realize that no, this is an attempt to improve the site, not some egotistical grab for power.
Post by: Cosmos on March 17, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
Post by: Glitch on March 17, 2007, 03:31:10 PM
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-[STRIKE]Merchandise[/STRIKE]
-Bigger Avatars
-[STRIKE]Disable post counts[/STRIKE]
-New Banner
-[STRIKE]Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits[/STRIKE]
-Veteran user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
- Post Preview Option
Meh. Though I do agree that Osmose didn't really earn his powers, I don't think this is just some kind of Blind Power Grab. Though I do still think the site should have some kind of Safe Guard against Admin/Mod abuse. I suggested re-election, you didn't like it, but you didn't give a different alternative. It's stupid of us to just wait around until someone does just start forcing changes on us.
Post by: SaiKar on March 17, 2007, 04:15:12 PM
Fact: Lowercase BBCode is so CLEARLY a grand stepping stone in Moose's bid for ultimate power. Mein fuhrer indeed!
...
No, but seriously, what the crap Trevlac? I mean, I guess I can see you having a grudge against me still over that whole "fired you when you told me your parents restricted your computer time and you couldn't come online" thing... I guess. It's been, like, what, four years? But okay, if you want to be mad at me that's cool...
But why Moose? I'm not sure you noticed, but he seems to be the only person on the staff that actually has, like, ideas on how to improve this place. And I know you never really got to experience it much, but being a mod is a huge pain in the ***. Mainly because of people (such as yourself) that intentionally try to be a huge pain in the ***. Being an admin is a step above that. You actually have to make the decisions that matter. When trouble goes down, you can't run away; you have to try to think of some sort of solution. It's like 10% personal glory and 90% civil servant.
So maybe, somewhere down beneath all the proposals, Moose wants some power out of this. You know what I say to that? GOOD! SOMEONE needs the power around here. Alex isn't around to use his. I've resigned mine. Razor seems largely too busy to use his too much. So who's going to upgrade the site? Who's going to show up to ban the next wave of trolls? Who's going to hire new mods? Someone has to do it. I'd much rather it be someone willing.
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 04:18:29 PM
I'll reconsider a check on mod powers if enough people agree on something.
EDIT: For the record, Sai'Kar is not as gay as his support for me sounds.
Post by: Dragonium on March 17, 2007, 05:34:39 PM
I do also say that we need some new blood on the modding front. It may be just my bleak perception of the state of Charas, but our current moderators seem to have either little time or little passion for the job.
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 05:47:08 PM
Charas 3.0 does not require that anyone become admin or anyone be demoted or anything. Staff changes are supposed to be seperate.
Post by: Dragonium on March 17, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
Post by: Trevlac on March 17, 2007, 06:11:02 PM
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 06:16:04 PM
Post by: Dragonium on March 17, 2007, 06:34:48 PM
Post by: Revolution911 on March 17, 2007, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: Glitch on March 17, 2007, 08:08:35 PM
Why not have back up mods? Like, they have mod status, but are really only there for when mods are gone for extended periods of time. They would also have some say in forum matters too. That way when big changes are voted on in the private forums all the changes aren't decided by like 5 people. The same would work with a back up Admin. That way should an admin be gone for weeks on end, or be gone for a week during a troll invasion or somethin *cough*saikar*cough* we would have someone who could still maintain peace.
Post by: Osmose on March 17, 2007, 09:08:45 PM
In practice, back up mods would end up being simply a second mod - there's no practical way to "activate" a backup mod, and anyone who becomes a backup mod would simply fix any problem they see that the other mod missed.
The real problem is appointing mods who will do their job and not slack off over time.
Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 17, 2007, 09:11:33 PM
Post by: WarxePB on March 17, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
In fact, I kind of like that idea anyways - that way, there's always fresh blood in the mod team, and everyone gets a chance to abuse their powers. Even if C3 falls through, we'll still want to improve the community somehow, and perhaps this is one of the ways.
As for Osmose's power struggle: I TOTALLY AGREEZ LOL.
Really, if he was trying to reshape Charas in his image, we (as a community) would know.
Post by: MrMister on March 17, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Yeah, I don't like the idea of back-up mods. I do, however, like the concept of a Charas Militia - if a mod is inactive for, say, a month or so (or if they notify the community that they'll be gone for a while), then the admin(s) promote a member of the community to temporarily take their place (or, if they don't come back, permanently). Or, if that doesn't seem fair, the modship could rotate - one person could mod the forum for a week, then another person takes it, etc.
As for Osmose's power struggle: I TOTALLY AGREEZ LOL.
Really, if he was trying to reshape Charas in his image, we (as a community) would know.
I like when you say things in all capital letters and throw in an 'lol' in there. it shows your blatant sarcasm. truly, the pinnacle of komedy.
well done.
Osmose.. of course you aren't openly suggesting you become admin, that's not what I or Trevlac even said.
More along the lines of 'Osmose tends to be a shady manipulative cock'.
Is that better? Thaaanks.
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Really, if he was trying to reshape Charas in his image, we (as a community) would know.
Ridiculous. Osmose is probably one of the smartest guys around here(at least that's what he wants us to think), and he's shown he likes to manipulate people.
AND ONCE AGAIN, he doesn't want to improve Charas, he wants to make a new site and call it Charas. DESTROYING this one! :argh:
So.. Osmose
shut up
Post by: Dragonium on March 17, 2007, 10:02:54 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 17, 2007, 10:53:08 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 17, 2007, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: Shady Ultima on March 18, 2007, 12:11:25 AM
Post by: Razor on March 18, 2007, 12:11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Furthermore, if I am given admin status I'm not going to accept it unless Razor receives it too.
Word. :)
And MrMister, you sound like you're afraid of change. Change happens.
Remember when McDonalds didn't care about the health of their customers? That was change. But change can be good. Like when Bill Clinton replaced George Bush Sr. That was a great change.
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 01:54:20 AM
Oh, and as for the power...
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Originally posted by Trevlac
Everything in this proposal is completely pointless for charas and designed only to achieve power for yourself.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 18, 2007, 02:08:44 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2007, 02:15:29 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh, one last suggestion; grant more power in some form to the following people: Dragonium, Ace, MM, Meiscool, gemini.
Don't forget IHaveASandwich
Post by: Trevlac on March 18, 2007, 03:31:46 AM
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Originally posted by Dragonium
I'd like to suggest a new feature for the forum. There should be some kind of tag which MrMister has to add to his posts to show when he's being sarcastic and when he's being serious, because I just can't bloody tell any more.
I lolled.
Meiscool: I agree with you, MrMister should have admin status. I also believe Razor should be the head admin. I've observed both of their actions over the course of nearly 4 years and they both exhibit the kind of traits best suited for Charas leadership. But that's neither here nor there. This thread is all about Osmose, not the betterment of charas. So maybe I should stop proposing Razor and MrMister being admins to better charas.
Post by: Razor on March 18, 2007, 07:59:53 AM
Gems like this one I just found again:
and other such usermade content!
Post by: Dragonium on March 18, 2007, 10:49:26 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh, one last suggestion; grant more power in some form to the following people: Dragonium, Ace, MM, Meiscool, gemini.
Word.
I'd just like to add that it'd be cool to see the RP Forum become more of a prominent feature of Charas. After all, Charas is mostly about creativity and story-writing, and the RP Forum encourages that. At the moment it seems just to be some sort of afterthought.
Post by: Razor on March 18, 2007, 12:13:32 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 18, 2007, 12:22:35 PM
Post by: Dragonium on March 18, 2007, 12:43:58 PM
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Originally posted by Razor
...it was an afterthought. To make the line between forum games and RPs more obvious.
Well then it deserves to be made an unafterthought.
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 18, 2007, 01:34:53 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh, one last suggestion; grant more power in some form to the following people: Dragonium, Ace, MM, Meiscool, gemini.
...not gonna say anything...
:blue-eye:
...i guess meiscool would be okay if given more power, since I've joined, I've notice a decline in how much they yell at me.
Just voicing opinion, don't yell at me :blue-eye:
Post by: Tomi on March 18, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh, one last suggestion; grant more power in some form to the following people: Dragonium, Ace, MM, Meiscool, Tomi, gemini.
I agree with you in totality.
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 02:42:51 PM
-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Donator user level awarded to donators - Award system?
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBcode.
My next post will be the final proposition.
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 03:04:26 PM
Uploaded to my own webspace to retain formatting. I haven't summoned Alex yet. Any final comments?
Post by: Dragonium on March 18, 2007, 03:11:45 PM
Question: How long will these changes take to make?
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
I can't really give a timeline when the plan hasn't even been approved. I tried to make it clear earlier in the thread that it all hinges on Alex's agreement. *crosses fingers*
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 18, 2007, 04:03:25 PM
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 18, 2007, 04:26:23 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Final List of Additions
-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Donator user level awarded to donators - Award system?
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBcode.
My next post will be the final proposition.
I swear, are you that strongly against post previewing?
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 04:28:20 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2007, 04:53:29 PM
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 05:01:12 PM
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2007, 06:46:43 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh, one last suggestion; grant more power in some form to the following people: Dragonium, Ace, MM, Meiscool, gemini.
F'real though.
Seriously...Im not saying "MAKE ME A MOD"
but in reality, the regular Crack-like addicted charas personalities
could definatly help things out if they had some acess to the workings of it all. Like Some sort of a dumbed down bonk. Or Lazer Guns. Or the power to smite cities with the wrath of METAL!
Post by: Osmose on March 18, 2007, 07:06:03 PM
Post by: Linkizcool on March 18, 2007, 07:11:31 PM
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2007, 07:15:24 PM
Not to mention, after a request was filled, on could Lock the topic, or Mark it "Completed".....Move it to the Junk bin, or a Resolved-topics forum
Post by: Razor on March 18, 2007, 07:15:38 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
Okay, people, one more time: MOD APPOINTMENTS ARE UP TO THE HEAD ADMIN. WHEN ONE IS APPOINTED, YOU CAN BRING YOUR COMPLAINTS TO THEM.
Oh Hell.
Also, I hope "new banner" does include "rotating usermade banners"
Post by: Dragonium on March 18, 2007, 07:44:10 PM
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Originally posted by gemini
Or the power to smite cities with the wrath of METAL!
I completely agree. :Plight:
Post by: Ben on March 18, 2007, 07:55:13 PM
It would be super sweet if there was... get this
Every User can submit their own banner of a specific size, with their own avatar, or of their own design...Specific Size, and must be "Approved" and all...But The Banner could be randomized.
Or A monthly Banner Submisson Contest.
It would be super fun.
Post by: Linkizcool on March 18, 2007, 11:14:17 PM
Post by: Archem on March 18, 2007, 11:46:40 PM
Post by: Osmose on March 19, 2007, 12:24:44 AM
Sorry. It's been sent.
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 19, 2007, 12:28:50 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 19, 2007, 01:22:09 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Yet one step closer to the transformation into Osmoses.
Alex isn't going to go for it, I wouldn't be worried about it if I was you.
v('__' )V
Post by: Razor on March 19, 2007, 05:47:23 AM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 19, 2007, 05:37:46 PM
The only things which change are the background and the two characters. The text only uses one and the same image.
In fact, this one is built out of four images. So there are three randomising things.
The very same thing I could do for Charas, if only it weren't for the fact that every attempt I try to show to you fail.
Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 19, 2007, 08:03:33 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 19, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
Post by: Linkizcool on March 19, 2007, 09:22:39 PM
Post by: WarxePB on March 20, 2007, 02:49:06 AM
We do need a backup plan; there's plenty of ways Charas can because improved without access to the code (just not as much as we like).
Post by: MrMister on March 20, 2007, 04:10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
If he doesn't go for it, what's next? Charas deteriorates further, until we all die?
We do need a backup plan; there's plenty of ways Charas can because improved without access to the code (just not as much as we like).
It hasn't been deteriorating.
It's maintained this level of shittyness for the last 3 years.
Osmose has got you imagining that Charas is doomed.
oooooooosssssssmoooooooooooooooose!!!
Post by: Razor on March 20, 2007, 05:26:00 AM
We have been on an ever so slight decline. Even though Charas is still great to come to, we have lost a fair few good members for reasons we could have controlled (and yes, some we can not).
But lately it really has died down, as far as posting goes. Or maybe that was just a week.
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 20, 2007, 08:17:23 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 20, 2007, 10:00:25 AM
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Originally posted by Razor
Isn't that the basic "I'm right, if you disagree with me, you're wrong for X reason" response?
We have been on an ever so slight decline. Even though Charas is still great to come to, we have lost a fair few good members for reasons we could have controlled (and yes, some we can not).
But lately it really has died down, as far as posting goes. Or maybe that was just a week.
that's tha 'MrMister technique'.
i'm always right and i'm awesome.
if you disagree you're an idiot.
And we've lost a fair few good members for reasons Sai'Kar could have controlled.
GaryCXJk, you think of Charas as a dumphole? I guess the whole being a social board doesn't interest you people that much. Also, if nothing's changed, and you think it's a dumphole, you're basically saying you've hated Charas forever.
Great.
Post by: Razor on March 20, 2007, 10:37:20 AM
Post by: WarxePB on March 20, 2007, 12:16:23 PM
MM, as usual, is playing the devil's advocate for reasons only clear to him. But even YOU know that Charas is deteriorating. We've had many chances to improve this place, with varying degrees of success; C3 is our chance to actually save this place. Whether Alex agrees or not, we need to do something.
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2007, 03:06:10 PM
Charas Could use some help...
It could stand to be ON PAR with other RPGmaker Resource forums.
I think 3.0 is a good idea...but I also think this is Osmose trying to take over. I think "My way or the highway" is an immature way to go about it. I think the resources in the generators suck, and it sucks that the whole place seems so unwelcoming to XP. It sucks that Good Ideas are dismissed by jaded members, and it sucks that the Mods condone that.
I think the "Social Board" aspect is doing fine.
I think the RPGmaker aspect is almost dead.
But get this: all that crap being said, If you hate the state of charas that much, then go start your own fcukin' forum
Post by: Dragonium on March 20, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
I'm touched. Really, I am.
Post by: Cosmos on March 20, 2007, 03:59:26 PM
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2007, 04:07:51 PM
Nothing is wrong with trying to help the site out...
When you get people taking an absolutist approach to it
"Whether Alex agrees or not, we need to do something."
And Calling the place a dump hole is not getting anything done.
If its a "Dumphole" and if "Something needs to be done wether the owner of the site agrees or not" then you should probably either start you own forum, or take a more productive approach to fixing the place.
ie.
Dont nuke Forum Gaming.
or
Dont be needlessly rude.
Sorry Mid, I didnt want to give the impression that I didnt want to change anything. Theres alot of things id like to see changed. However, In the past, Whenever I suggested anything, like, an XP resources Section, or a Scripts Forum I was told to basically Make due with what was already here, before I was even properly listened to. But now OSMOSE decides that its time to strike. Theres no current Admin, and what better way to exert authority and assume the role than to Propose a BRAVE NEW CHARAS.
Silly.
Post by: Cosmos on March 20, 2007, 04:49:19 PM
Post by: SaiKar on March 20, 2007, 05:04:30 PM
Moose has been talking about really interesting changes for YEARS. Good changes that had nothing in it for him. He wasn't even a mod then. And back then, the thing stopping us from doing anything major was code access.
Moose and I had a big discussion about Alex, code access, and Charas 3.0 the weekend before I resigned. The discussion ended with me realizing how great a lot of those changes would be but not really seeing any hope for them to ever happen due to the current situation with how Charas is hosted. I resigned for a number of reasons, but one of them was an unwillingness to get my hopes up about a good future I thought I'd never see.
So Moose is trying anyway, without official admin support, because he still thinks its a good idea. And a lot of you are being jerks for no apparent reason, claiming this is some sort of revolution or something. No good deed goes unpunished.
The silver lining in the cloud is that if this happens and Moose impliments a lot of the changes to make the site more attractive, Charas won't need ANY of you whiners. ;) The eternal malcontents that are always angry and attacking the mods can just go away and Charas will have a nice, fresh new crowd to replace you tenfold.
Post by: Cosmos on March 20, 2007, 05:09:14 PM
Post by: Ben on March 20, 2007, 05:49:13 PM
I DO support 3.0.
I havent once said I didnt.
And by no means do I want to come off as the "Eternal Whiner" here.
Ive only ever had any dispute with any of the mod staff once before, and I really dont want to repeat that.
I agree with you completly Sai, in that With the changes, Charas wouldnt need any of us. New members would follow suit.
Keeping that in mind, the point I was trying to make was that If Alex decides not to go for it, then thats pretty much it, right? Then it stays.
And whining wont get anything done. Its not a dumphole, and if you see it as such, youre contributing to the problem.
I would like to see these changes. I would like to see Moose's Idea come to light. Alot of us have had good Ideas for a long time, and we simply shut up about it, as nobody would have listened in the first place.
I enjoy that if this Idea comes to pass, Ill be able to say that I had some Input in the process.
ANYHOW....Im backing out of this now.
You dudes can have the last word.
Post by: Dragonium on March 20, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
The silver lining in the cloud is that if this happens and Moose impliments a lot of the changes to make the site more attractive, Charas won't need ANY of you whiners. ;) The eternal malcontents that are always angry and attacking the mods can just go away and Charas will have a nice, fresh new crowd to replace you tenfold.
Ah, yes, Charas would be so perfect then. All of us "whiners" just clear out as soon as Moose makes the changes, and you get a "nice fresh new crowd" to "replace us tenfold". What a brilliant idea. Fact is, Sai m'dear, you'll have your shiny new Charas to ponce about in, and the only posts you'll get will be "can sum1 make some kh char plz".
Really, what a stupid thing to say.
Post by: MrMister on March 20, 2007, 07:12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Razor
You need to end that tag, you know.
It goes on forever
lightning quick edit: WARXE!!! :argh:
Maybe I'm playing the devil's advocate so Osmose would provide some actual reasons for wanting to do this
but he hasn't.
'charas sux now' isn't a reason. yeah. deal wit it.
gemini, yeah, I don't want to ruin your credibility by agreeing with you since I'm such an assfucker that is clearly wrong, but you have lots of valid points
Post by: Osmose on March 20, 2007, 07:53:25 PM
Post by: Cosmos on March 20, 2007, 07:54:36 PM
*kicks moose*
Post by: Razor on March 20, 2007, 08:13:34 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
For us to fear a threat from wannabe hackers makes us look weak.
Hahahaha. Oh, Mid. :)
Post by: Dragonium on March 20, 2007, 09:42:37 PM
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Originally posted by RazorQuoteOriginally posted by Midnight
For us to fear a threat from wannabe hackers makes us look weak.
Hahahaha. Oh, Mid. :)[/B]
Now even I understood the joke there. Shame on you Mid. :p
Anyway, Charas is here because of the Generators. They're right under the Banner on the main page. People talk about "the Charas Generators". Now, we've been saying that the forums have died down lately, and therefore Charas is a dumphole or whatever. But then, people come here for the Generators, and they don't need to join the forums to use the Generators. If they join the Forums is entirely up to them. I don't know how to put it. You should understand what I'm trying to say.
Post by: MrMister on March 20, 2007, 10:17:43 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
For us to fear a threat from wannabe hackers makes us look weak. Some of change is good because things need to change.
You're such a 'Lain Wave'. Funny.
and Osmose is the only one that would propose such a thing
Post by: Fortet on March 20, 2007, 10:53:39 PM
He has ideas and he wants them to actually get somewhere! When's the last time anybody else tried that?
That's what I thought.
Yes, Charas needs improvements.
No, I don't think he's in it for the power.
Before anybody starts yelling at me for being a noob or a retard, I've been here a good long while. I know how things happen here.
Now, with the declining intelligence level if the modern day teenager, child, or possibly adult, we will get posts such as:
"cn sumbdy make me a char, plz?"
But when haven't we?
And what do you do to posts like that?
IGNORE THEM!
It's a simple idea. And yet, nobody seems to be able to do this now!
Change is good.
As technology gets better, people learn how to destroy it.
But, thanks to updates, we can stop that.
Without updates, there's always a threat somebody can hack us right now without a problem.
The change to 3.0 would help keep up with the hacking technology, keeping us secure.
Yes, Charas was originally about the generators.
Who said we had to get rid of them?
As a matter of fact, we can update them! Make them better! The same with the resources!
With XP being more commonly used because of its legality, it will possibly dominate 2k(3) before long. We need to get ready for it by adding an XP generator and collecting XP resources.
I support Osmose 100%. Don't like my opinion? I don't care.
As a matter of fact, due to my quiet ways, nearly half of the members will just scroll right through this post.
BTW, yes, I do think your opinions matter, but I'm not judging yours now am I?
BTW, again, I'm not killing one person's opinion, I'm fighting a general opinion.
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 12:32:42 AM
maybe osmose is right or something.
:(
Post by: Osmose on March 21, 2007, 12:40:49 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
yea. yea. it's fine.
maybe osmose is right or something.
:(
Oho! That's not quite the reaction I was expecting.
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 01:30:05 AM
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Originally posted by OsmoseQuoteOriginally posted by MrMister
yea. yea. it's fine.
maybe osmose is right or something.
:(
Oho! That's not quite the reaction I was expecting.[/B]
yeah you're pretty stupid, eh
i forgot the 'sadcasm' tag
I'm actually looking forward to a new forum, though.
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2007, 01:44:33 AM
Post by: SaiKar on March 21, 2007, 01:53:21 AM
Post by: Osmose on March 21, 2007, 01:54:14 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
I'm actually looking forward to a new forum, though.
Thank you for WASTING MY TIME.
It reminds me of the bonk thread where KM was going nuts until Alex repeated what me, Sai, and a number of others had said earlier and suddenly KM was agreeing with him.
Post by: Ace of Spades on March 21, 2007, 02:08:01 AM
As much as we all like to discuss randomly in here, one of the sole purposes of Charas was to help promote game making in general, and I believe that over time this has slipped from its fingers. It's time we try to recreate that sense of involvement when it comes to the game making community, and 3.0 is a step that can be taken to do so. I fully support this, and major props to you Osmose; I for one know you've wanted to supe up this site for quite a while now. I hope this all works out, and am looking forward to some positive changes. :D
Post by: Cosmos on March 21, 2007, 02:08:10 AM
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Originally posted by DragoniumQuoteOriginally posted by RazorQuoteOriginally posted by Midnight
For us to fear a threat from wannabe hackers makes us look weak.
Hahahaha. Oh, Mid. :)[/B]
Now even I understood the joke there. Shame on you Mid. :p[/B]
Couldn't resist.. >:
Oh moosie, that was a classic time.
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 02:18:51 AM
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Originally posted by OsmoseQuoteOriginally posted by MrMister
I'm actually looking forward to a new forum, though.
Thank you for WASTING MY TIME.
It reminds me of the bonk thread where KM was going nuts until Alex repeated what me, Sai, and a number of others had said earlier and suddenly KM was agreeing with him.[/B]
I'm agreeing with the new forum code = good.
That is all.
And "Thank you for WASTING MY TIME." is making me LOL IRL
the amount of shitdisturbing KM did is significantly more trollish than this though
suggestions for word filter:
fark - gently caress
farking - loving
shizz - poo poo
shizzing - posting
cun7 - mystery hole
anime - posting dicknipples
Post by: Osmose on March 21, 2007, 02:28:26 AM
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 02:39:11 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
First mod to remove those filter workarounds from his post gets a cookie. :)
it's purely for science, dude
you wouldn't understand my suggestions if I didn't use them
Post by: HackersTotalMassLaser on March 21, 2007, 03:00:58 AM
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2007, 04:28:26 AM
Has this all been officially proposed to alex? Do we know when..we'll....uh...know?
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 04:35:41 AM
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Originally posted by gemini
So anyways...
Has this all been officially proposed to alex? Do we know when..we'll....uh...know?
yes yes
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2007, 04:38:29 AM
"Yes, yes, its been proposed"
Or like
"Yes to question one. And Yes to question two"
If the latter is true, then could you shed light?
And if you answer this with "Yes" then Im going to be dissapointed
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 04:56:25 AM
Post by: shadus on March 21, 2007, 05:02:11 AM
**** YES!
*EXPLODES*
I support this as one of the great bothersome members of the past.
P.S. I wuv you all.
EDIT:
If you go through with the Veteran idea then you may want to give them a place where only they could go, or even see.
*NINJA POOF'd*
Post by: Razor on March 21, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
And "Thank you for WASTING MY TIME." is making me LOL IRL
lol same
and does this mean MrMister gets his own cookie?
Post by: Osmose on March 21, 2007, 09:42:40 AM
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
Post by: Razor on March 21, 2007, 07:37:39 PM
Post by: MrMister on March 21, 2007, 08:29:34 PM
GOD I LOVE MONEY
LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE... DONATED TO CHARAS
OK
I PAID $20!!
YOU FUCKA
Post by: Dragonium on March 21, 2007, 08:39:32 PM
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 23, 2007, 10:42:49 AM
This is taking an awful lot of time, even if it's just two days since the last post was made.
Post by: Cosmos on March 23, 2007, 12:02:25 PM
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Post by: Archem on March 26, 2007, 09:31:58 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 26, 2007, 10:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
If it was someone like mrmister/meis/trev who proposed this, would it be alright then? Does it really matter who proposed it?
*kicks moose*
Well, first off, mrmister/meis/trev don't have alternative motives to creating these changes.
Second, Mrmister, Meiscool, and Trevlac are all ****ing awesome beyond compare, going in the order you mentioned: First MrMister, then Meiscool, then Trevlac, tied with ZKX.
Third, we arn't suckups.
Fourth, I find it very odd that the three people you named were also the people that raped you last night.
Post by: Cosmos on March 26, 2007, 11:20:01 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 26, 2007, 11:27:55 PM
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Originally posted by Midnight
Cuse me.. I dun recall trev going anywhere near me last night.. I believe alice might've been keeping him busy.. AND everyone has a motive when they do things, AND not everyone in that list is ****ing awsome. :p
BUT YOU ADMIT TO ME BEING THERE!
And I might not've been ****ing awesome... but you wern't that great either. :p
Post by: Cosmos on March 26, 2007, 11:57:20 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 27, 2007, 12:41:25 AM
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Originally posted by Midnight
You're right..but mr was ****ing awsome, hehe..
He's never going to let you hear the end of that one.
Post by: Osmose on March 27, 2007, 02:20:42 AM
The timeline is far from final - Alex's generator system is bringing him to the U.S. to showcase, not to mention having a family, career, all the stuff that keeps normal people busy. Not to mention that once the whole site is copied over, there's development and testing of the additions.
In the meantime, we'll entertain you with stuff like contests for new website designs (Since we need some new options for the multiple designs we're putting up - and the first person to make a Wii Channels Design gets my eternal adoration). Actual rules and setup and such will follow. Oh, and yes, Charas Blue will be an option and perhaps a default.
Post by: charaman on March 27, 2007, 02:40:11 AM
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Post by: Ben on March 27, 2007, 04:16:32 AM
everything calls for booze. :Plight:
Post by: Cosmos on March 27, 2007, 10:07:08 AM
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Originally posted by MeiscoolQuoteOriginally posted by Midnight
You're right..but mr was ****ing awsome, hehe..
He's never going to let you hear the end of that one.[/B]
<<;; >>;; well it's true. Yay for booze!
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 27, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
Post by: Linkizcool on March 27, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
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Originally posted by Archem2
This calls for booze.
Of course!
Sweet! This is awesome! I cant wait to walk around in my "I can shoot missles lol" shirt...
Post by: Fortet on March 27, 2007, 05:22:10 PM
This just made my school day a hell of a lot better than it isn't!
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 27, 2007, 07:39:21 PM
Huzzah!
Post by: Rowan on March 27, 2007, 10:14:52 PM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 27, 2007, 10:38:59 PM
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 28, 2007, 12:12:07 AM
Nonetheless, I was pleasantly surprised at his response.
Post by: MrMister on March 28, 2007, 12:16:01 AM
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Originally posted by MidnightQuoteOriginally posted by MeiscoolQuoteOriginally posted by Midnight
You're right..but mr was ****ing awsome, hehe..
He's never going to let you hear the end of that one.[/B]
<<;; >>;; well it's true. Yay for booze![/B]
"rpg maker" chicks dig me
gross
Post by: GaryCXJk on March 28, 2007, 12:16:39 AM
But still, there's a difference between are going to and can.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 28, 2007, 12:47:10 AM
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QuoteQuoteQuoteOriginally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Meh.
Post by: elementalhero76 on March 28, 2007, 01:56:02 PM