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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Cosmos on March 16, 2007, 04:13:03 PM

Title: I'm shocked
Post by: Cosmos on March 16, 2007, 04:13:03 PM

that there was no topic on the "Omg, we found jesus' body!!" story. I didn't look into it really since I don't believe it but is anyone interested? Let's talk about it.

 CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/26/jesus.sburial.ap/index.html)

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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 16, 2007, 04:14:28 PM

Didn't they say they were making a documentary? this story was really interesting, but I'm too lazy to click on the cnn link you provided.

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Post by: Cosmos on March 16, 2007, 04:18:10 PM

Yep. Either that one or another site I looked at said something about how they discovered the cave 30 years ago, and have had the coffins for abou 10 years. But they didn't decode the names until now, and the bodies are jesus', his moms, his brother, that other mary, and his son.

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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 16, 2007, 04:25:01 PM

huh. so wierd how all these things around us are just tumbling down because of science. let's watch. :corn:

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Post by: Cosmos on March 16, 2007, 04:31:08 PM

Yeah in my art history class thing we were talkin about how christianity is alive today because of this roman dude who found interest in this small group's beliefs. Some of the stories, drawings, statues, and so on were recycled from other religons or myths from what back.

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Post by: Ben on March 16, 2007, 05:34:40 PM

I got into a heated debate about this last night.

I myself am an open minded agnostic.
My roomates are devout Christians and Catholics.
I bite my tounge alot.
So anyways, we were watching the documentary on this, and one of the roomates pointed out
"If this is true it completly debunks christianity. The entire basis of the religion is fraudulent."

And I got to thinking about this...
Why is is that so many "Devouts" cant take things the bible says as metaphore. The bible was written by people not far from Cave-men, as far as societal evolution is concerned. They ate mandrake roots. And then it was Re-written by hand by, in many cases, hermit like over zealous monks. It was re-written several ways to suit the states needs, which at that point was not seperated from church.

Anyhow, a long story short, I told this roomate of mine, after she stated that she would have to find new religion if this info proved true, "It dosent disprove your bible. It Dosent make it a lie, it just means you have to interpret it differently. Its now become a proven metaphore."

And then she freaked. The house was tense. I was accused of "Attacking" the faith.

Pfft.

Personally, I would be more inclined to heed the words of Jesus if It was PROVEN that he was a real Man, and not some magical son of god. I hope that this finding is true, and I hope people of the far christian right have to re-asses their religious values into something a bit more realistic and practical. By no means would I wish upon them to stop believeing in their "Christ". If anything I hope the whole christian experience becomes a bit more tangible for them.


This is not earth shattering, or even suprising to me though

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Post by: Glitch on March 16, 2007, 05:59:35 PM

I see people like the Devout room mate of yours to not be so devout at all. If her faith is that shakeable that at the possibility of someone finding Jesus's family's bodies that she has to consider a new religion, than her faith is clearly not that strong. True faith means you don't question it, you don't need science to prove you right or someone else wrong, you believe what you do because in your heart you believe it to be true. You didn't attack her faith, she's just an idiot.


Anyway, this isn't the first time someone's found Jesus's tomb, and it prolly won't be the last time.

If you think about it, 1000 years from now someone could find records from the Heaven's gate Cult and believe they found the truth about Jesus and his suicide cult. (leader of that cult believed he was jesus). History is way to uncertain to ever gain the whole truth from it.

Do remember, that as much as people like to say that the bible has been edited to fit the needs, the same can be said about History, every document, theory, and law can be changed by people to fit the need.

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Post by: Daetyrnis on March 16, 2007, 05:59:49 PM

She suggests that perhaps Christianity is a fraud, and you say that the Bible can just be interpretted metaphorically, and you're attacking her religion?

Psh.

But yeah, the Bible has had countless 'corrections' made, mostly to suit what was happening at the time.  Sure, I can see a devout Christian proclaiming the original Bible as the word of God, but after these many edits and translations?

Again, psh.

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Post by: SaiKar on March 16, 2007, 06:30:47 PM

I've heard of the story but I can't say I believe big claims. To support conclusions of that magnitude requires more proof than they are presenting, at least to me. I applaud the effort though and think trying to reach back into the dusty past to find the truth is a worthy goal, even if it's an unpleasent truth.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 16, 2007, 06:55:44 PM

Jesus = Hitler

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 16, 2007, 10:39:48 PM

Yeah, I heard it. I don't think it's Jesus' body. I believe in God. I'm a catholic. If it is Jesus' body, that's chill.

By the way gemini, it's fundamentalist cristians that take it literal. Catholics and cristians do take a large portion of it as metaphor.

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Post by: Daetyrnis on March 16, 2007, 10:49:22 PM

Jesus was not necessarily Hitler, but he obviously played a part in Hitler's Aryan ideals.

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Post by: Ben on March 16, 2007, 10:55:25 PM

No, EURO jesus was hitler.

Ol' Skool Jesus was a sand nig.
EDIT: And by "Sand nig" I mean one of Olive skin. Im not a racist. Shut up.

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Post by: Dominicy on March 17, 2007, 01:25:01 AM

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Originally posted by Glitch
I see people like the Devout room mate of yours to not be so devout at all. If her faith is that shakeable that at the possibility of someone finding Jesus's family's bodies that she has to consider a new religion, than her faith is clearly not that strong. True faith means you don't question it, you don't need science to prove you right or someone else wrong, you believe what you do because in your heart you believe it to be true. You didn't attack her faith, she's just an idiot.


Anyway, this isn't the first time someone's found Jesus's tomb, and it prolly won't be the last time.

If you think about it, 1000 years from now someone could find records from the Heaven's gate Cult and believe they found the truth about Jesus and his suicide cult. (leader of that cult believed he was jesus). History is way to uncertain to ever gain the whole truth from it.

Do remember, that as much as people like to say that the bible has been edited to fit the needs, the same can be said about History, every document, theory, and law can be changed by people to fit the need.

Once again I must pull out my motto.  What.  The.  Freak?  Why would someone think they were Jesus?  Also, you have a very good point with that.

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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 17, 2007, 01:34:32 AM

I believe jesus lived, but he was only a man. A good man, that gave the world ethics and ideals to base morals around and teach with, but he was a man none the less.

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Post by: Shady Ultima on March 17, 2007, 03:54:37 AM

I believe in Jesus strongly. But not as the messiah, or anything like that. I believe he was a revolutionary, much like that cuban guy that everyone seems to wear a shirt of his face... Never can remember his name though.

I believe Jesus came around with ideas that the romans and the jews disagreed with, and thus they had him killed. Perhaps his ressurection is metaphorical, as many people began to follow his teachings after he died. Just my theory mind you.

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Post by: MrMister on March 17, 2007, 04:58:42 AM

Ché Guevara was a douché.
Comparing him to Jesus is such a dick move.

The whole Jesus rising to heaven was not to be taken literally. Which basically ruins this fucking terrible movie that's coming out.

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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on March 17, 2007, 05:02:16 AM

Oh Shady, you seem to use different usages of the word revolutionary to compare. Che was a revolutionary in the sense of war and government, Jesus was a revolutionary in the sense of thought and mind. Totally different.

And are you sure you're not getting the Andre passe confused with Che?

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 17, 2007, 09:04:26 PM

John Chrysostom is who you should blame for Nazi ideals.

Anyway, I hate arguing over religion since I go to a Baptist University. I get enough of it every day.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 17, 2007, 10:54:25 PM

Jesus = Hitler



Shocking

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 17, 2007, 11:32:21 PM

Jesus? Nice guy. I tought him everything he knows.

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Post by: Shady Ultima on March 17, 2007, 11:56:24 PM

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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh Shady, you seem to use different usages of the word revolutionary to compare. Che was a revolutionary in the sense of war and government, Jesus was a revolutionary in the sense of thought and mind. Totally different.

And are you sure you're not getting the Andre passe confused with Che?

You're right, I just simply compared him to Che as a person who had an impact on the world. I suppose it was a poor comparison, but meh. I simply meant that I believed he was a person who changed a lot of people's minds about certain things. You are right though.

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Post by: Snake Eater on March 18, 2007, 02:16:31 AM

I'm still shocked that Razor is an admin...

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Post by: Cosmos on March 18, 2007, 02:24:19 AM

Razor is god... but that ain't the point.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 18, 2007, 02:41:19 AM

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Originally posted by Midnight
Razor is god... but that ain't the point.

I suspect that you're trying to rub it in that Trevlac lost the election.

EDIT: Experimenting with the google ad thing.

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Post by: Razor on March 18, 2007, 02:46:00 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool
EDIT: Experimenting with the google ad thing.

Breast enlargement Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler.

All I'm getting is Jesus adverts.
(I think it's working).

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Post by: MrMister on March 18, 2007, 10:20:09 AM

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Originally posted by Snake Eater
I'm still shocked that Razor is an admin...

He's a global mod.
v('-')v
in related news, you're awesome and stay forever

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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on March 18, 2007, 01:28:41 PM

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Originally posted by Meiscool

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Originally posted by Midnight
Razor is god... but that ain't the point.

I suspect that you're trying to rub it in that Trevlac lost the election.

EDIT: Experimenting with the google ad thing.

Breast enlargement Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler.[/B]

I'm getting all these ads saying jesus doesn't exist and one that is talking about tee-shirts.  :|
Edit: now i'm getting something about Miami Wicked, a golf thing, and all this other crap.

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Post by: Cosmos on March 19, 2007, 10:17:58 AM

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Originally posted by Meiscool

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Originally posted by Midnight
Razor is god... but that ain't the point.

I suspect that you're trying to rub it in that Trevlac lost the election.
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If that was the case then that would mean I'd have to care about the person... which I don't.

Question, how is jesus hitler?

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Post by: Kinslayer on March 19, 2007, 08:58:54 PM

I respect "Che" Guevara because of his strong will, not his ideas. Seriously, Communism in this world ain't possible.


This sounds retarded, yes, but, how are they sure that they found the body of THE Jesus?

I mean, in that epoche there must've been lots of people called "Jesus"...

Then again, CNN sucks as a newschannel, and the fact that a documentary is done, it truly proves nothing afterall...

Science is more athan a TV made- documentary by JAMES FRIGGING CAMERON. If you only believe in what a documentary tells you, then you're absolutely wrong, and at the same level of those who follow ideas from old books.

In the end, everybody's equal.

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 20, 2007, 01:01:27 AM

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Originally posted by Midnight
Razor is god... but that ain't the point.

I suspect that you're trying to rub it in that Trevlac lost the election.
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If that was the case then that would mean I'd have to care about the person... which I don't.

Question, how is jesus hitler?[/B]

I formed a very interesting theory that Trevlac rewrote to sound very funny. You can find it amid the topics I've made that have been locked. Just use the search and look for something I made with Theory or Theroy in it.

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Post by: Ben on March 20, 2007, 01:23:21 AM

Dammit, meis. Can there be a Jesus thread without you bringing up the Hitler theory?

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Post by: Meiscool-2 on March 20, 2007, 01:28:01 AM

NO.

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Post by: Razor on March 20, 2007, 05:28:19 AM

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If you only believe in what a documentary tells you, then you're absolutely wrong

Holy defensive reaction, Batman!

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Post by: Djanki on March 20, 2007, 12:24:17 PM

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Originally posted by Glitch
I see people like the Devout room mate of yours to not be so devout at all. If her faith is that shakeable that at the possibility of someone finding Jesus's family's bodies that she has to consider a new religion, than her faith is clearly not that strong. True faith means you don't question it, you don't need science to prove you right or someone else wrong, you believe what you do because in your heart you believe it to be true. You didn't attack her faith, she's just an idiot.


Anyway, this isn't the first time someone's found Jesus's tomb, and it prolly won't be the last time.

If you think about it, 1000 years from now someone could find records from the Heaven's gate Cult and believe they found the truth about Jesus and his suicide cult. (leader of that cult believed he was jesus). History is way to uncertain to ever gain the whole truth from it.

Do remember, that as much as people like to say that the bible has been edited to fit the needs, the same can be said about History, every document, theory, and law can be changed by people to fit the need.

Once again I must pull out my motto.  What.  The.  Freak?  Why would someone think they were Jesus?  Also, you have a very good point with that.[/B]

It's worse over here in Puerto Rico--we've got a freak going around with a cult, saying that he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. He goes around in a BMW instead of a mule, and can't even interpret the Bible without contradicting himself.
I am agnostic.

*starts singing to the tune of 'I'm a Lumberjack'...*
I believe in God and I'm ok!
I sleep at night and play all day!
*stops singing* (couldn't help it).

Anyway...Jesus is God in human form, right? Well, if so, even He had to have a human body at SOME point. It died, but his spirit still went around and saw the apostles after death.

Jesus was God's Incarnate, but even so, he was also a man. He married Magdalene, and had a kid. He WAS Jewish, you know--not Christian, as a lot of people believe.

Long story short:
So what if they found his tomb? I still believe in God. That's that.

Now, excuse me while I watch 'The Life of Brian'. lol

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Post by: Kinslayer on March 20, 2007, 03:14:26 PM

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If you only believe in what a documentary tells you, then you're absolutely wrong

Holy defensive reaction, Batman![/B]

Not trying to discuss here, just curious. Where do you find a defensive reaction there?  :corn:

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Post by: Cosmos on March 20, 2007, 04:01:05 PM

You're saying that anyone who believes the movie is wrong, that's defensive and saying that their beliefs and what not is wrong and yours is right.

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Post by: Kinslayer on March 20, 2007, 05:56:13 PM

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You're saying that anyone who believes the movie is wrong, that's defensive and saying that their beliefs and what not is wrong and yours is right.

My mistake there XD I re-read what I put.

What I meant is that it takes more fact than a movie to change a belief like that, and that you can't seriously completely change your mind after only watching a movie, there's some "mental homework" that you must do first :p.

Still I wrote it wrongly, that explains it.

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Post by: Razor on March 20, 2007, 08:07:50 PM

Ahh, right.
It sounded like you were saying all documentaries are wrong.

lolz