Post by: ImmortalDreamer on March 31, 2007, 10:19:51 PM
Two adventurers from a small secluded village are sent by their village elder to find his friend in the town of Secile, who has made a major discovery in the field of magic. Unknown to them, the town has been attacked by a terrorist organization called Kalibur as part of their plan to overthrow the current King and appoint their leader, a man known only as "The Master", as the new ruler.
These are the characters that appear in the first demo. I’ll add to this list as I create more of the game.
Name: Jeremy
Weapon: Swords
Bio: Jeremy has lived a quiet life in the small, secluded town of Garin. He began learning swordsmanship at a young age from the village Elder, who was once a King’s Knight. Although Jeremy’s skills are nowhere near the best, he can defend himself when needed.
Battle: Jeremy is more of a physical attacker and does more damage with his weapon than all other characters except Quinn. The few techs he learns are powerful, but come with a high MP cost.
Name: Steff
Weapon: Shovels
Bio: Jeremy’s childhood friend. Although they are not actually related, she is like Jeremy’s sister. While Jeremy spent his time learning swordsmanship, Steff spent her time learning healing from her mother.
Battle: Steff’s attack is rather low when compared to other characters, but her Magic ability to heal makes up for this. She also gains a few light-based attack spells which will be useful later in the game.
Name: Evan
Weapon: Dual Sickles
Bio: A mage from the City of Topaka, Evan happens to stumble across the group while running an errand for the High Mage.
Battle: For a mage, Evan is actually one of the most balanced characters in the game. He can deal a fair amount of physical damage with his sickles, and his few techs can deal out moderate damage to single enemies. His magical skills are his forte though, and his Pyromatic Stormcloud can hit all enemies at once.
Name: Ethan
Weapon: Gord (He carries a gord of water that doubles as his weapon)
Bio: A researcher currently residing in Lungard, he fled his hometown of Secile after the Kalibur attack.
Battle: Ethan is the other balanced character in the game. His attacks do an average amount of damage while his techs modify the conditions and stats of his opponents. Other techs, such as Haste, are extremely helpful in boss battles.
Name: Tim
Weapon: Zone Eater
Bio: The arrogant general of the Kalibur army, the party first meets him in Secile where he is defeated by Jeremy and Steff. Furious at his defeat, he begins to hunt down the party, even to the point of forgetting his original mission.
- Forging System (Not Yet Implemented)
This will allow you to combine items with equipment to make the equipment stronger.
- Voice Overs (Not Yet Implemented)
The final version of the game will be fully voiced, everything from battle crys to dialog.
- Lots of hidden items and side quests
Every dungeon will have at least one hidden item and once the game gets going, there will be a ton of side quests.
- Custom Soundtrack
Composed by MaverickHunterZero and KXSakuraba
Credits
Programming & Story: ImmortalDreamer
Game Logo, Title Screen and Advert Headers: Solid Steel
Music: MaverickHunterZero & KXSakuraba
Charasets/Battle Charas: InsaneJP, Shear Destiny, Mack & Blue, RPGDaiou, ImmortalDreamer, Linkforce
Facesets: Roco, ImmortalDreamer, Christophomicus
Mapping & Battle Backgrounds: ImmortalDreamer
Chipsets: Theodore, Aboutasoandthis
If I forgot to put you on the list, let me know.
EDIT BY OSMOSE: Screwed up in trying to fix BBCode, but recovered post, hopefully. If anything's missing, I'll try to fix it. Sorry. :o
Post by: Vidian on March 31, 2007, 10:40:04 PM
If you need a voice actor I could try it.
LOL
Of coarse I wouldn't do My own Voice, Maybe something like
A Little Kid, Or an old man, Or a Really Fat woman,
You know, The Characters with, Uhm Character.
Anyway,
Yeah... Looks really good :D
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on March 31, 2007, 10:56:17 PM
If you interested, I could definitely use the help.
Post by: Linkforce on April 01, 2007, 06:24:17 PM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 01, 2007, 07:34:45 PM
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Originally posted by Linkforce
Hey! You stole my MAIN character! You can't use him without asking me. That's messed up man. You gotta ask me first.
Yeah, I was thinking about making a comment about that in his game thread at gamingw.net, but I thought you might've given him permission or something.
Post by: Vidian on April 01, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
Thats what I do when I steal Characers... hehe
anyway..... Yeah "Old Man?"
I'm there,
Haha Im super gay so if you want another character that sounds like my Actual voice
you'll have to make a character as Fabulous as me!
But seriously. :guns:
Post by: Bluhman on April 01, 2007, 09:10:51 PM
Post by: Vidian on April 01, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
Anybody who is older than 15.
Wat?
Post by: MrMister on April 02, 2007, 12:20:25 AM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
I'll do any male voice. Anybody who is older than 15. I can do a lot of things. Yes.
LAFFO!!!
yeah you're funkin manly
no kid voices!!!
cuz i'm a man!! GRRR!
MANN!N!!!!
Post by: Vidian on April 02, 2007, 01:04:41 AM
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Originally posted by MrMisterQuoteOriginally posted by Bluhman
I'll do any male voice. Anybody who is older than 15. I can do a lot of things. Yes.
LAFFO!!!
yeah you're funkin manly
no kid voices!!!
cuz i'm a man!! GRRR!
MANN!N!!!![/B]
...
...
...
...Wha- - -
Oh...
...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Man", I'm Dumb
Post by: Ace of Spades on April 02, 2007, 01:27:02 AM
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Originally posted by Linkforce
Hey! You stole my MAIN character! You can't use him without asking me. That's messed up man. You gotta ask me first.
Actually, that charset is as free to him as it was you. Unless he uses the poses made for you, that's just any ordinary mack & blue charset.
Post by: Bluhman on April 02, 2007, 01:53:42 AM
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Originally posted by MrMister
LAFFO!!!
yeah you're funkin manly
no kid voices!!!
cuz i'm a man!! GRRR!
MANN!N!!!!
Well, I suck at young voices.
Post by: Linkforce on April 02, 2007, 02:02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ace of SpadesQuoteOriginally posted by Linkforce
Hey! You stole my MAIN character! You can't use him without asking me. That's messed up man. You gotta ask me first.
Actually, that charset is as free to him as it was you. Unless he uses the poses made for you, that's just any ordinary mack & blue charset.[/B]
The b-chara is mine. He credited me which means he took my charaset, and slabbed on some goggles. I bet he is even using the poses for him, let alone the b-chara. I did not allow him, nor did he ask for my permission.
Post by: Bluhman on April 02, 2007, 02:05:36 AM
Also, Ace, that'd actually be a Roco charset. Yeah, miscrediting is exactly why she stopped making things.
Post by: Ace of Spades on April 02, 2007, 03:21:24 AM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
No, the default version of Skylar's charset has goggles. However, he is using your Bcharset, since that has no goggles on.
Also, Ace, that'd actually be a Roco charset. Yeah, miscrediting is exactly why she stopped making things.
Hmm, I thought it was Roco who made the faceset (along with the portraits) and then mack and blue made the charsets that went with them. I dunno, either way, if you are using Linkforce's poses without his permission, that isn't good. I'd either get his permission or have your own made, because if you don't do either it's gonna become a deciding factor for many when it comes to whether they want to play your game or not.
Post by: Vidian on April 02, 2007, 03:48:45 AM
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Originally posted by Ace of SpadesQuoteOriginally posted by Bluhman
No, the default version of Skylar's charset has goggles. However, he is using your Bcharset, since that has no goggles on.
Also, Ace, that'd actually be a Roco charset. Yeah, miscrediting is exactly why she stopped making things.
Hmm, I thought it was Roco who made the faceset (along with the portraits) and then mack and blue made the charsets that went with them. I dunno, either way, if you are using Linkforce's poses without his permission, that isn't good. I'd either get his permission or have your own made, because if you don't do either it's gonna become a deciding factor for many when it comes to whether they want to play your game or not.[/B]
But in all Honesty as long as the game doesn't suck, Ill probably still play it...
And I think Roco made the faces for the Character set
Post by: Linkforce on April 02, 2007, 04:02:31 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 02, 2007, 04:10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Linkforce
He's still taking and using my stuff without my permission and thats messed up.
Alright, you've proved your point. Just wait for him to contact you before saying anything else. Maybe you can work out a compromise, like he has to recolor everything or change the hair or something.
Post by: Vidian on April 02, 2007, 05:28:01 AM
None of this stuff is illegal,
If he doesn't ask to use it, The most anyone can
do is Tell people not to play it.
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 02, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
As for the charaset, its Roco, so I'm free to do with that as I please.
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 02, 2007, 05:26:36 PM
Also, got some character art by for me by KXSakuraba:
Jeremy
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/ImmortalDreamer17/Loremaster/Character%20Art/Jeremy.png
Steff
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/ImmortalDreamer17/Loremaster/Character%20Art/Steff.png
Teegan
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/ImmortalDreamer17/Loremaster/Character%20Art/Teegan.png
Evan
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/ImmortalDreamer17/Loremaster/Character%20Art/evanch5nv3.png
Liz (Important NPC)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/ImmortalDreamer17/Loremaster/Character%20Art/lizch4jp7.png
Edit: I took the img tags off because it resized the pics.
Post by: Bluhman on April 02, 2007, 07:09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Vidian
But in all Honesty as long as the game doesn't suck, Ill probably still play it...
And I think Roco made the faces for the Character set
No, the char set was definitely made by Roco. It's not in the same art style as the rest of the Mac and Blue charas.
Besides, the naming sequence also contributes to this fact, since "Char15" and "Char16" are objects, while 17, 18, and 19 are all actual people, and are the ones that were done by Roco.
I read about this stuff on an old, and very useful, RPG maker website. Had all sorts of collections of useful links to websites, sample resources, and other various collections of information. Shame, though, because now it's been replaced with a weird site about Daggerfall, Arena, the Sims, and other games that we don't care too much about, or at least aren't really all that useful in our crusade to make a good game.
But that's besides the point.
Anyway, back to the game at hand: I think I could go ahead and do any male voice if I have to. Just not all that great at younger people. I can do older people just fine.
Uh, other than that, I'm not quite sure what to say, except that the chip sets are pretty nifty and the game just shows a lot of work put into it.
Post by: SaiKar on April 02, 2007, 08:03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Bluhman
I read about this stuff on an old, and very useful, RPG maker website. Had all sorts of collections of useful links to websites, sample resources, and other various collections of information. Shame, though, because now it's been replaced with a weird site about Daggerfall, Arena, the Sims, and other games that we don't care too much about, or at least aren't really all that useful in our crusade to make a good game.
I remember that site! That place was great. The owner contacted me when I was taking the Mack & Blue / Roco characters and making RTP battle characters out of them and put some of my material on there as well. Good times, then, when I was close to being a legend like Mach and Blue and Roco were, before I got lazy / stupid and abandoned my spriting for Charas politics.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 03, 2007, 02:38:31 AM
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 03, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
Post by: Lainke on April 04, 2007, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 04, 2007, 01:26:40 PM
Basically, I now have 2 choices. First, I could keep using the battle character. Second, I could make a battle character for that charaset which would look pretty much the same. Hm...hard choice. I decided to go with the first option.
If some of you don't want to play my game because of this, so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it. I don't make my games to be known as "the best game creator" or anything. I do it cause its fun. I don't see why using the character is a big deal. Games like Legend of Philosopher's Stone did it with Kindred Sagas characters and look how popular it got.
So yeah, basically the point of this post is stating that I'm going to use the battle character anyway and my reasons why. I'll still update this topic for the people who still want to play.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 04, 2007, 06:44:55 PM
Using the maker of The Legend of Philosopher's Stone (Nemasomething) is a bad example, because he asked permission before he stole resources.
You should probally at least recolor it. Recolors of that small of a scale don't take that much time.
Post by: Linkforce on April 04, 2007, 07:05:51 PM
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 04, 2007, 08:21:41 PM
Its not like I'm claiming I ****ing made it. I gave you credit. And its not like its based off a charaset you made. If I made my own, it would look pretty much the exact same, so what would be the point? And the resources used in LotPS were all original, not a battle character made from another set.
The character set is not exclusive to your game, so stop acting like it is. Just because you chose to use it for Skylar, doesn't mean its now exclusively Skylar's set. I'm not the first person to use it and I doubt I'll be the last.
Personally, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. I didn't steal it, I gave him credit. If that's what consitutes stealing, then every one of you who uses ripped graphics is stealing cause I doubt you asked Nintendo or Square for permission. Think of it as a ripped graphic from Carpe Diem.
I'm not trying to beat Carpe Diem or anything, I just want to make a game that's fun to play. Sharing resources is how the RM community thrives. When my game is released, if you wanna use any of my resources, go ahead. I have no problem with it as long as I'm credited.
If you don't wanna play the game, fine. Then don't. If you do, go ahead. I don't care either way. I'm sure someone will play the game either way.
Post by: Bluhman on April 04, 2007, 09:33:02 PM
It's just a damned charset! We're all making a deal over it like it's something illegal. Well, tell you what, folks, by just using RM2k, we're doing something illegal. To put it quite clearly, the charset was made by Roco. It even has the trademark goggles that the charset wears, which are absent from Skylar. The faceset was also made by Roco. The battlecharset was made by InsaneJP For Carpe Diem, so when it comes down to it, it's property of InsaneJP, not Linkforce, and thus he must decide whether or not Immortal can use the Bcharset or not. I have no clue who did the poses. Some were done by Osmose, I remember, and I know for a fact that I did a few. With that said, I just don't care whether or not you use the poses I made, but the thing is that those resources were made for Linkforce's game, but aren't necessarily property of Linkforces, so I'm really just not all that clear on how anything could really be wrong. I remember one person who used my Osdray Charset without my permission, but I didn't care, because I knew it was going to happen sooner or later.
If it's really all that important of a matter, and elevates to unmanageable levels, Immortal, I will offer to recolour your main character's sprites.
Post by: Ephiam on April 04, 2007, 09:44:30 PM
Now, onto not spamming up this users topic with uselessness..
It is a overall great sounding game. I like the maps, the characters, the facesets and the Battle Chars very much. I also like the fact that you developed your own Battle Backs. Nice.
I hope you get some rather good voice acting for your game.
Good luck!
Post by: Ace of Spades on April 04, 2007, 10:12:34 PM
Post by: Linkforce on April 04, 2007, 11:04:13 PM
Oh, and I spoke to Insane...this is a direct qoute from him:
"If someone is using your characters at all that ive made for you i would say they need your permission to use them in their game because theyre in YOUR game already. My permission is not really needed because they are still your characters not mine. Maybe you can come to an agreement with someone because i know poeple have asked me and as long as i get credit or they keep the same name or even edit the characterset so its now there own i was fine with it."
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 05, 2007, 12:32:36 AM
@lucas: If you really think I'm gonna start my game over, you're crazy. And telling someone to kill themselves over a character set is just fucked up.
@Bluhman: Yeah, that was my whole way of thinking using the set in the first place.
Post by: Linkforce on April 05, 2007, 01:28:20 AM
Post by: Vidian on April 05, 2007, 03:51:49 AM
All he did was Edit it a bit and made poses.
Your not stealing his Cat God damn it.
There are no legal rules for this sort of thing, If there were, no one could use Roco Character sets anyway.
In the real world even editing a character set which is what linkforce did would require an Image release from Roco.
Smarten The *uck Up peepz.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 05, 2007, 04:44:56 AM
He's complaining about the missuse of a battlecharacter that was specifically made for his game, NOT THE GOD DAMN PUBLIC CHARASET. Ace, I'm especially mortified by you, thinking this was about a charaset. Have you no common thought process?
If you all are gonna bitch, at least bitch about the right things. This arguement is almost exact to:
"You took my banana!"
"You said I could because there isn't a sticker on it."
"It's ok, the apple is a public resource."
"The apple was made by Jesus."
"I'm going to argue that the apple was made by God."
"I don't care about the apple, he took my banana."
"That's messed up."
"Let me just restate that I side with the banana thief in saying that it's ok for him to eat the apple."
To end further arugement about the point that the battle character was made for Linkforce's game, and thus is his to own, I shall say: If you buy a condom, is it still the store's property? No. Linkforce "bought" the character from insane jp. If other people want to use the condom though, they have to ask the owner, who is now Linkforce. A condom just isn't as cool as it was if more than one person uses it.
To clear something: I don't care if he uses it or not. I am, however, highly against him using an unedited version of the battle character.
Post by: chocobomaster09 on April 05, 2007, 05:44:25 AM
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Ok.. first of all, PIXALS.. little dots on your screen, I mean goddamn..
Just freaking make one pixal black and BOOM its custom. I side with ImmortalDreamer on this one as well, he just wants to show his work to everybody here..
I mean we are all stealing here one way or another, shall we get all those companys into this arguement while were at it?
Sorry link, but fussing over a few pixals is just lame, and makes me laugh.
My 50cents of the day. Thank you.
Btw just to not get off topic. Those screenshots are looking sweet man, and those drawings of your char's. If only i could draw.. ;)
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 05, 2007, 11:04:27 AM
Now, on a production note. Here are some new screens, feedback is always nice. Especially C&C.
Post by: Osmose on April 05, 2007, 11:41:06 AM
PS: ... I did a pose edit at some point?
PPS: Any more arguing about "stolen sprites" and such can go in PM if you feel a burning desire to argue about it.
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 05, 2007, 11:58:46 AM
@chocobomaster: Thanks for the support!
Here is a test battle with the next character the party gets, Evan, and the goggle edited version of the main character (I also changed some of the battle poses, such as the casting magic pose).
Post by: Koopapooper on April 05, 2007, 03:09:39 PM
Post by: Bluhman on April 05, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by ImmortalDreamer
@Osmose: Thanks for the feedback. Anything in paticular I can do to spruce up the maps? Map making is the one thing I need some work on.
@chocobomaster: Thanks for the support!
Here is a test battle with the next character the party gets, Evan, and the goggle edited version of the main character (I also changed some of the battle poses, such as the casting magic pose).
Could've fooled me. Not a bad edit at all.
Also:
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Wow, you are all idiots. Except ZKX, he hit this right on the nose.
He's complaining about the missuse of a battlecharacter that was specifically made for his game, NOT THE GOD DAMN PUBLIC CHARASET. Ace, I'm especially mortified by you, thinking this was about a charaset. Have you no common thought process?
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Originally posted by Linkforce
The b-chara is mine. He credited me which means he took my charaset, and slabbed on some goggles. I bet he is even using the poses for him, let alone the b-chara. I did not allow him, nor did he ask for my permission.
So, yes, Linkforce WAS complaining about the misuse of his charset, which is public. I was simply trying to clarify that.
And yes, that Bchar is his, so both me, you, MIC, and anyone else who was talking about the charset was right in some way.
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 05, 2007, 07:15:38 PM
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 05, 2007, 07:24:08 PM
The Templar tells our heroes about Kalibur.
Post by: Ace of Spades on April 05, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 05, 2007, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: Osmose on April 06, 2007, 12:17:26 AM
Add some in the corners of a house, or try finding some chipsets with details like small cracks or other little flaws that can make a wall look a little more realistic. That new screen looks nice, although those barrels look weird around the sword (Rather, the sword looks weird around those barrels, but the sword is much cooler) - add a rack behind the sword so it looks like it's leaning on something, and make the rack take up most of that alcove - the barrels can be relocated to a corner near the front of the room, along with a desk.
Post by: Vidian on April 06, 2007, 02:10:12 AM
Post by: Meiscool-2 on April 06, 2007, 03:14:00 AM
Also, don't you think you should use chipsets from the same game? Rudra and SD3 are pretty different in looks when they arn't recolored to match up.
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Originally posted by Vidian
... Still ... I have posted Why It was alright to use the Character in the All of all
You like to lose arguements, don't you?
Post by: ImmortalDreamer on April 06, 2007, 09:06:53 PM
