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Title: Best FF Hero?
Post by: Phayre on May 21, 2007, 01:35:43 AM
So.....
Out of all the Final Fantasy games you've played, which has the best central character (as in the guy you mostly walk around as)? The worst? My brother says Cloud (VII) as best, Vaan (XII) as worst. I agree on Vaan, but I'd say Squall is cooler than Cloud, save the whole Rinoa thing. Jeez, Rinoa, why Rinoa? Gah. But Squall seems more consistent than Cloud, and a tad less crazy. Not crazy always helps.
Anyway, I'd like to see what others think on this.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on May 21, 2007, 02:16:44 AM
Zidane.

All FF games seem to have a love theme. Zidane's seems like the most practical. All the others are like: "Oh, I luv you because of nothing"

Tidus is a pussy.
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Post by: Daetyrnis on May 21, 2007, 02:54:02 AM
Zidane (IX) is the winner for me, as his history is the most believable of the bunch.  Too bad Vivi isn't counted, as he'd be the top.

As for the worst, I'd say Luneth from III, but that's just because the characters from III have no personality, and they're not even generic like I.
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Post by: Phayre on May 21, 2007, 03:12:45 AM
Actually, yeah, Zidane is pretty high on the believable list. *kicks Rinoa in the face* I just hated the little stunt he pulled at the end.
What about out of everybody? Hmmm...... *grabs Rufus* BEST.
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Post by: SaiKar on May 21, 2007, 03:33:25 AM
Cecil, FF4. I have a big thing for the whole redeemed evil thing.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on May 21, 2007, 03:42:41 AM
I second Cecil.
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Post by: Prpl_Mage on May 21, 2007, 04:40:55 AM
Zidane, FFIX is one of the best final fantasy games because of the characters, something that some other games lack *coughffviiffxiicough* and every character in FFIX is great(except Queena perhaps...).

Zidane got daggers or this double-siden blade thinghy. He is one of the few main characters that doesnīt use swords and thatīs a pro.
Zidane also got wicked skills while in trance that will most likely eliminate whatever set him off.

And the last pro, and the most important one, his personality is just great, makes it fun to play the game over and over.

Worst? Vaan I guess..."I wanna be a skypirate" and then, nothing happens. There is like no character development in FFXII so Vaan just suck really...
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Post by: Ben on May 21, 2007, 05:54:49 AM
Zidane was pretty sweet. The whole "theif class as a main character" thing wins.

I can remember his first name....The you Beoulve feller from FFTactics. I liked him...
And Delita.

Squall would have been much cooler had the whole bishy romance thing not reared its head.

Garland, in of his forms.





I think my all time favorite was...
(drumroll)


Cid Highwind or FF7

Cigar smoking badass engineer FTW


EDIT: stupid "central character" thing I missed.



Im sticking withh Ramza. He was a good guy. And he had it rough in the end.
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Post by: Beck Skyler on May 21, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
His name was Ramza, and I liked him too.

Zidane is high up for me.

I also liked Kuja alot.
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Post by: Osmose on May 21, 2007, 08:20:44 AM
Ramza Beoulve, hands down. His story is basically, "I am like the only honest noble. And I fight demons for justice."

Most of his awesomeness comes from the awesomeness of FFT in general. Like, the only crappy characters in it were Mustadio and Rafa/Malak. Everyone else was amazingly cool. Even Algus was cool even though you still gotta hate him. I mean, who classes as a Knight with a Crossbow?! And Auto-Potion? What a tank.
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Post by: RuneBlade on May 21, 2007, 08:27:03 AM
Locke, FF6 best, personal preference
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Post by: Ben on May 21, 2007, 08:45:53 AM
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Even Algus was cool even though you still gotta hate him. I mean, who classes as a Knight with a Crossbow?! And Auto-Potion? What a tank.


I totally forgot how much I hated that guy.
If I ever meet a guy named algus, Im hitting him.


Honestly...the characters in that game pretty much hauled though, looking back on it.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 21, 2007, 10:03:12 AM
Zidane is meh favorite... the worst to me is between cloud and tidus...

As for vaan's sky pirating... square's suppose to be making some second game for vaan and penolo and their adventures as sky pirates.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on May 21, 2007, 10:40:39 AM
Why does it have to be main characters? They all suck.

I'm gonna say Celes, FF6. I'm hoping that there's a loophole here because she was the main character for a while ^.^




Worst main character ever: Vaan, FF12
Worst character ever: Vaan, FF12
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Post by: Archem on May 21, 2007, 10:51:36 AM
Ramza Beoulve - Best

Edward Chris Von Muir - Worst

That's my two cents, don't complain.
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Post by: Razor on May 21, 2007, 11:43:14 AM
Cait Sith
thread over


No, I don't have any justification whatsoever, why do you ask?
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on May 21, 2007, 11:48:20 AM
Best: Zidane/Vaan tie.

Worst: Squall.

I explained, but my post got deleted. Now, I got school.

Bye.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on May 21, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
My fav has to Cecel from FF4 or whatever his name is. I never used the real names, so i don't know for sure :-p

Worst is Tidus. Yeah Vaan doesn't have much to him, but I don't think he has much against him. Tidus was just annoying, Vaan was there, but he wasn't bad.
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Post by: Grandy on May 21, 2007, 03:05:13 PM
You mean out of every good playable character?

 Worst - Red (insert roman number) AKA Nanaki
 Reason: I just can't bring myself to like any non-humanoid characters. Though, since he almost raped Aerith, he's not that bad of a character. Just not better than every other I've played.

 So-so - Cid (FF7)
 Reason: I love that guy. Sometimes in a non-gay way.

 Best - Grandy (FFT [created])
 Reason: ...you guys didn't forget my origins, yes? I'm like, lvl 99 right now, and actually backstabbed Ramza a few times (he kept getting confused! ...sometimes.)
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Post by: Dragoon de Sol on May 21, 2007, 03:22:35 PM
I think of all the main characters:

BEST: Kain and Vivi

SO-SO: Steiner

WORST: Cait Sith
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Post by: game_maniac on May 21, 2007, 04:09:54 PM
Cecil and Zidane definetely, just because they weren't boring cliches or plain annoying.

Worse are definetely Tidus and Vaan. I think they're both really annoying.
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Post by: Dragonium on May 21, 2007, 06:07:44 PM
Best Main Character: Cecil or Squall.

Best Support (ie not main) Character: Auron. Yeah, you better believe it.

Worst Main Character: Tidus or Cloud.

Worst Support Character: Cait Sith or Aeris/Aerith.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on May 21, 2007, 07:59:54 PM
Hmm, I guess my least favorite is Tidus. Annoying whiny little bastard.

I'd say Firion from FF2 because he only has maybe five lines in the entire game, but it's an old game so I guess I'll cut him some slack.
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Post by: Phayre on May 21, 2007, 08:16:38 PM
Auron OWNS.
And guys, I opened up not main folks too. Silly. Read the other posts too. Main character people didn't seem so intriguing.
I didn't get far in 4, the second I heard "crystals" I went into a berserker frenzy. Probably my least favorite part of 9, next to the randomass ending. I hate that breed of ending, the "oh, look, I'm randomly alive!" crap. *stabs 7, 8, 9, and X-2, especially X-2 cuz it bit*
Bests/worsts of every FF I've gotten anywhere in/watched *stuck in 6, spazzed at 4 and 5, so, yeah, I'm a lameass*

Warning: possible spoilers

Also: these may seem like squealing fangirl choices, but I do have reasons and shall post them if provoked. And yes, I've posted twice establishing here, but I like going one by one.)

VII: Best: Rufus (one of the few villains who actually seems to have a decent reason for what he does and isn't bloody nuts, but he does pull that being alive stunt in AC. Pisser.), Worst: Aeris/Yuffie
Advent Children: Best: Kadaj's long-haired lackey (for blowing Cloud up), worst: Sephiroth/Cloud (both pulling my least favorite stunt)
DoC: Worst: Everyone. Continuity go down the hole..... Wait, no. Nero was scary. Nero wins best.
VIII: Best: Squall, worst: Rinoa
IX: Best: Kuja, worst: Quina
X: Best: Auron, worst: Rikku
X-2: Best: Shuyin, worst: everyone else, dang it
XII: Best: Balthier, worst: Penelo and Vaan

Out of all of them, I'd say Squall's the best main hero, Rufus owns everyone.
Nuff said.
Or debate.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 21, 2007, 08:30:04 PM
shuyin was lame... <<
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Post by: Razor on May 21, 2007, 08:31:06 PM
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Worst - Red (insert roman number) AKA Nanaki
 Reason: I just can't bring myself to like any non-humanoid characters. Though, since he almost raped Aerith, he's not that bad of a character. Just not better than every other I've played.


That's bizarre logic, lol.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 21, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
XD!
Title: Might as well finish.
Post by: aboutasoandthis on May 21, 2007, 09:00:36 PM
Zidane: He was a funny guy, he was proposed straight and believeable, and he acted as a nice mentor to Vivi and Garnet to a certain extent. The only thing I didn't like about him was when he found out he was supposed to kill everybody. He lived his life and didn't do that, why get pissed off when he found out later?

Vaan: He wasn't some anime superhero who was afraid of women. He was a normal guy. He was a well known kid in his city whose brother happened to be the key witness in the death of the king. He was also believeable straight (no offense). Even though he never kissed Penelo, you'd have to be pretty stupid to see them as not together.

I don't really see why people say he didn't have character developement. All that really means is a change in personality. You can argue this, but you had to notice him growing as a person. He went from a stupid and disrespectful kid who acted on impulse, to a mature individual who thinks about what he does before he acts. He realized that there were things in the world that were beyond his control. This is called humility. I thought he was one of the most well thought out characters I've ever seen.

What a lot of people are saying is that he lacked a backstory. If you've played as many Matsuno games as I have, you would know that many but a few key characters have long, shifting backstories. In the immortal words of X-Play...
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Final Fantasy XII was about important stuff, and not whiny emo crap.


Squall: Squall was a dork. He was a short, fat, and nerdy kid who was upset that his baby-sitter left. He grew up into to some wierd even dorkier dude. I just cannot see this guy as a hero. He wasn't even an anti-hero either. Would you really want a kid to look up to him?

If this is open to all characters, Vivi was awesome. Ramza was okay, but all he really did was follow his dying father's advice and protect his friends (which was cool). He wasn't really trying to take down the church or anything. If I had to pick one from 6, Celes was amazing. If I had to pick one from 7, Barret Wallace was cool. Steiner was cool too.

Also FF9 had the best ending. :P
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Post by: Almeidaboo on May 21, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
I like the main heroes. They fit their story. Like Cloud did an awesome part in FF7, he was exacly what he should be, and FF7 wouldn't be the same without his being that way. Same for Squall. Cold hearted guy fall for a girl. What's the problem...See, I focus on having fun and trying to appreciate the work that's been done. I do not focus on making shallow hypercritic. Brings me nothing good.

Of course, some characters such as Caith Sigh were kinda lame, but the played a part in a story, story would make no such sense without them.

As for character design, I'd say Squall is the coolest, first cause Gunblade looks marvelous, second cause his clothes are awesome too.

I didn't like Tidus' design. His clothes were ugly, and his limit breaks too. He had the best sword swinging animation though.

Not main characters: Balthier and Auron were awesome. Balthier wins cause of his voice and he used a gun as weapon.

Caith Sigh wasn't a happy thing to put in a game too...he was way too big and white, I didn't understand it well cause the SD graphics didn't make it a clear thing. And he was pretty useless, bad stats, bad limits.
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Post by: Prpl_Mage on May 21, 2007, 09:53:26 PM
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Vaan: He wasn't some anime superhero who was afraid of women. He was a normal guy. He was a well known kid in his city whose brother happened to be the key witness in the death of the king. He was also believeable straight (no offense). Even though he never kissed Penelo, you'd have to be pretty stupid to see them as not together.


Heck Vaan and Balthier could make just as nice couple as Vaan, Ashe... They flirt just as much with eachother...
Same with Balthier and Ashe, Lamont and Vaan, Basch and Reddas... God I hate FFXII, great gameplay and graphic, but nothing else...


FFXII is just empty...

::FFXII SPOILERS PEOPLE!!!!::
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Vaan gets into the castle because he doesnīt like the empire, involves going to eastersands and giza plains for reasons more logical in a MMORPG...
Vaan finds stone, sky pirates want it, guards come, they all run, Vaine blows his own palace to pieces...
They escape through the sewers and find a gal chased by imperials, she doesnīt give her real name...
You get captured at the end of the sewers, she is taken to Vaine, Balthier give his hankerchief to Penello so that Bagannom captures her. You escape from the dungeons and find Basch, Vaan hates him and Basch tell them about his twin brother who actually killed the king... You get out of there and everyone is like "bye guys, going on with our own lifes" you drag the others along to find Penello in Bhujerba. You get followed by this little girl/boy calling himself Lamont, he follows you into teh cave where you fight bagannon and then out again only to see him leave with the imperials and Penello...
Back at the town you have run around like an idiot shouting "Iīm captain Basch von Ronsenberg!" for a while. You get send up to the levithan and finds Ashe and escapes, finds Lamont and Penello on the way out, fight with a random judge...
Back on the ground Ashe gets everyone to go on an adventure to the westersands(nam-yensa) to find a lost treasure. you find it, an Esper and a Magicite... You leave and get picked up on a ship again, you fight a betrayer and everything explodes when the judge tries to use the magicte.
Then suddently everyone decides to go to the Ozmone plains to a small village of jahara just to hear the elder say "we are to stupid to use the magicite we gave it to your great grandfather" but lucky you! Lamont is there to and asks you to follow him to a friend. You go to the Viara village because the forrest is sealed, you go to a cave to fight a viera that is possesed by the magicte, goes back to the village and grant acces. You go to the place and talk with the guy, you find out about a sword that can cut magicite so you go and find it, once you have it and leave, the entire mountain is under attack by the archadies empire... Hey guess what? another random judge battle. He was possesed to and... nothing else really.
Lamont was taken back to archadies and you are going there to to infiltrate the draklor laberatory, their study of magicite under supervisor of Dr Cid...
Just blabla, help some moogles with a bridge, running through half of the world map and like only one scene on the way with Ashe and Balthier talking about power and resposebility...
As you arrive one of Balthiers old friends screw you over as you enter the city, you have to run around and play "Match the people" in teh city to get enough "chops" to enter the higher city only to be send down again... So you enter and finds out cid is under control by an old god who created the magicite... And some random black guy with two biggass swords becomes friend wit you, he talk about the things Dr.Cid said(that Ashe must use the Sword to vut herself a pice of the magicte and use it in the war against Archadies) and he goes to a place while you head to a place tipped by Dr Cid himself, you get to the bottom and Ashe is facing judgement from the gods as they tell her to use the magicite to purge everything taht has prospered for far to long. She refuses and thinks taht destroying it is better.
You go to the cataract after finding out that Redass got his *** kicked there and you take him with you. At the top you find Basch twin brother and faces him, he was send only to see wether or not you was a treath to the empire so DR Cid gets mad and kicks him out of duty of the empire(wich is Vaine at the moment btw) so you fight Dr cid as well, then he summons Famfrit, and you kill them both... He summons Bahamuth (an airship... kinda, the magicites name is bahamut) and Vaan and Ashe is trying to destroy it , but Redass sacrefice himself instead...
Then you go to the Bahamut, fights Basch twin, tells him that he should aid Larsa(lamont) and that he should think for himself and all that crap, you fight vaine, then vaine, and then vaine with bahamuth powers and then the game is over...

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And um, well nothing happens, nothing of importance happens, sure Square says "this will be more focused on politic and ruling and not some cheesy love story" but hell i rather have a cheesy love story than this... Gah...

So, long post this became...
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Post by: Osmose on May 21, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Yay spoilers.

Actually, I made Balthier and pretty much everyone else use Greatswords. :P

FF12 was indeed about the war and not the characters. Certainly there was a bit of development - but most of it was the kind of stuff you didn't see - every so often you'd notice that Vaan was acting a little more mature or that Ashe was cozying up to Basch.

All of the romance was established in the beginning, except for Ashe and Basch due to the fact that she hates him at the beginning. The game realizes this, and moves on to more important things. There's a war going on, and quite frankly I'd rather hear more about the war and less about whether Penelo thinks that Vaan is handling the situation well and how it will affect their relationship and their plans for the future and blah de freaking blah.

What I got out of FF12 was this: Square made FF11. It was online, but the battle system was weak. It really made it difficult for a single person to get far without partying (Something I myself am not great at). So, they took that baseline, improved it into a very fun and entertaining system, and used it for FF12. They provided enough missions, sidequests, etc. to make just playing the game a very fun experience, regardless of the story. Not to say it wasn't a good story, but the gameplay really shined in comparison to the emphasis on story in past FFs.
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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on May 21, 2007, 10:20:18 PM
I feel so behind... I've only played 1,2, parts of 7, beginning of 8, watched ending of 9, played the beginning of 12...
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Post by: Apex on May 21, 2007, 10:25:01 PM
Gah, stretching.

Best: Zidane, ::SPOILERS:: He was a flirt, a battle stud and a soul harvester who was intended to destroy everything around him.


Worst: Edward, That spoony bard.
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on May 21, 2007, 10:46:20 PM
 Originally Posted by Osmose
 
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Yay spoilers.

Actually, I made Balthier and pretty much everyone else use Greatswords. :P

FF12 was indeed about the war and not the characters. Certainly there was a bit of development - but most of it was the kind of stuff you didn't see - every so often you'd notice that Vaan was acting a little more mature or that Ashe was cozying up to Basch.

All of the romance was established in the beginning, except for Ashe and Basch due to the fact that she hates him at the beginning. The game realizes this, and moves on to more important things. There's a war going on, and quite frankly I'd rather hear more about the war and less about whether Penelo thinks that Vaan is handling the situation well and how it will affect their relationship and their plans for the future and blah de freaking blah.

What I got out of FF12 was this: Square made FF11. It was online, but the battle system was weak. It really made it difficult for a single person to get far without partying (Something I myself am not great at). So, they took that baseline, improved it into a very fun and entertaining system, and used it for FF12. They provided enough missions, sidequests, etc. to make just playing the game a very fun experience, regardless of the story. Not to say it wasn't a good story, but the gameplay really shined in comparison to the emphasis on story in past FFs.


I almost wholeheartedly agree with you. They focused more on the gameplay instead of the storyline. The storyline wasn't bad, but it wasn't Matsuno's best either.

What I got out of the story was this. This is why we need our spoiler tags.  :p

*Spoilers

A bunch of gods decide one kingdom should rule a certain continent. They are not exactly evil, but instead more like parents. They do not approve of anything withouth their concent.
Two empires branch off of this middle kingdom, abandoning the gods. They each fight for the Middle Kingdom in order to free the world from the Gods. The problem is that they need to take over the world and kill people to do it.

I thought this storyline was pretty deep, focusing moreso on a central theme. I haven't really seen a storyline like this since FF7. I think this is just opinion, but I like a lot of unanswered questions.
-Where the gods actually gods or just black mage throwbacks? Also, they were machines. Who built them?
-The Gods were only there to stop humans from doing something stupid like creating a holocaust. To a certain extent, they're right. Should they still be there though?
-In Tactics Ogre, Ogre Battle, and FFTactics, countries beginning with Ro-are always the most powerful empire in the world, and yet you never see them. They are an empire, what's to stop them from taking over the over the world as well?
Everything focused on a theme of Freedom. I wish it was as complex as FFTactics or something, but I've never really seen a storyline this focused.

I'm being a big meanie to FF8 and Squall. I like the gunblade, and I liked his personality in Kingdom Hearts 1. Certain scenes I thought were wonderfully done, like when he danced with Rinoa and when he was rolling on his bed thinking.

I just like to see actual themes in storylines. While Squall fell in love with Rinoa, the game didn't really have a theme of love like it was portraying. It felt more like Romantic Ideology. The sorceresses were picked, persecuted, and sometimes murdered even though they were born with what they had. They just wanted to live in a Castle with their fairy tale prince. When they weren't massacring people, their story was kind of sad. They just missed that mark in FF8.
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Post by: Grandy on May 21, 2007, 11:16:58 PM
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Originally posted by Grandy
Worst - Red (insert roman number) AKA Nanaki
 Reason: I just can't bring myself to like any non-humanoid characters. Though, since he almost raped Aerith, he's not that bad of a character. Just not better than every other I've played.


That's bizarre logic, lol.[/B]


 I see nothing bizarre on it. Doglike creatures raping young ladies is what Japan has of it's finest.
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Post by: Oi on May 21, 2007, 11:36:02 PM
Best: Zidane. He was such a cuttie!

Worse: ... ... Gogo for not showing "it's" idenity... >_> Everyone else is fine becasue they have a past ^^ ... besides Umaro. Cait sith sucks too, in a wiered, strange, cattatic (word?) way.
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Post by: Linkforce on May 22, 2007, 12:56:25 AM
Zidane definetly.  I loved FF9 for all it was, and it is and will most likely remain one of my top 5 favorite games of all time.  Zidane had everything people wanted to be.  Very personal-like qualities if you know what I mean.  That entire cast just worked together so beautifully.  Zidane is by far the best frontman.  

As for the worst main character, I'd say Squall.  He was way too quiet and anti-social.  I don't mind an anti-social character, but  I didn't think he had that much reason.  It was stupid IMO.

P.S.- Auron is the man.  Most badass FF character in my book.
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Post by: danielturipa on May 22, 2007, 02:19:25 AM
but HEY guys wheres Final Fantasy 11
Aye did they skip that game???

DOES anyone no about it

i have finished all apart from the gameboy final fantasys
i never had intrests of them

im new zealander when does final fantasy 11 cm=ome out
or are they making it after 12 xD
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on May 22, 2007, 02:27:43 AM
Final Fantasy 11 is an online game. It doesn't really have a central character since you make your own.

For more information, go here:
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

I'm a little surprised that it wasn't released where you're from. I've never played it because I don't like montly fees. To be honest, who has actually played this game? I know Saikar is well respected at it but that's about it. It looks pretty too...
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Post by: danielturipa on May 22, 2007, 02:33:40 AM
dw isnt it called dark cronicles or something
they sell it on www.trademe.com
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Post by: DragonBlaze on May 22, 2007, 12:38:34 PM
I can't play 11, i have dial up.

Damn it, stop giving spoilers for 12, I'm still playing it, well i just started playing it again last week. I have to skip so much in this thread :p I'm close to the end now, just doing all that side crap. Or mainly last night I just wandered around aimlessly and I ran into two espers  :viking:

And i think we're all forgetting someone, nameless warrior from FF1! Who else can beat the final boss right away at the beginning of the game?

I personally like the non human characters. I'm a human all day, how often can I be a horny red dog?
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on May 22, 2007, 05:31:06 PM
Hmm.

Auron was undeniably badass. You always forget how cool he is, and then you play FFX and he goes "this ends. Now" and you want his babies all over again.

I didn't like FFX-2, but I loved Paine. Best lesbian swordwoman ever.

Cait sith wasn't an amazing character, but his death was actually my second favourite bit of FF7 (I cried at his death first time, and grinned at Aeris's death, go figure)

Prplmage has FF12 pretty much summed up. I liked it, but it ended way too quickly without building up much substance.

danielturipa, my shoulder fanboy wants to stab you but the devil and angel are holding him back.
FF11 was an MMORPG which was apparently really addictive but that's not my field.
Next one to come out is FF13 which has the turn based battle system back (This isn't a good thing; I have a feeling they'll abuse this and have constant confusing FF-AC like battle sequences running behind the menu system, turning it into even more of an interactive movie, but who knows)

Erm, who else said stuff...

Apex, Edward was in my final party. I haven't of heard anyone else that used him XD

Balthier was the only character with a personality in FF12 so I guess he gets my vote there. After all, he was the leading man.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 22, 2007, 06:14:42 PM
Balthier is hawt, I like him too... Edward wasn't that bad, just his romance part was ugh. Cecil was decent, he coulda used a bit more character tho. Auron is awsome. Squall is hawt too.. Celes is my favorite female character. I liked locke and Edgar (?) too. Freya was pretty kewl too.

Kuja and Kefka are the best bad guys me thinks. They made me laugh all the time <<
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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on May 22, 2007, 08:25:15 PM
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And i think we're all forgetting someone, nameless warrior from FF1! Who else can beat the final boss right away at the beginning of the game?



XD!  I loved those characters!  They had some much personality! lol.  That game is probably my fav because its easier than 12.  :p
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Post by: Prpl_Mage on May 22, 2007, 09:05:53 PM
Best sub character, Vivi. He got this cool, completly normal boyish personality that makes him intresting unlike Vaan...
Nah and Vivi got a nice twist when you come to the village, when he hears about his kind "stopping" and all that.
(Still havenīt figured out if the blackmages in the end are Vivi's children or more manufactured ones... Hell I havenīt even understand how he has lived fro so long... He is a strong guy that little mage).

Best villian? Well, the only one (of the games I actually completed) that even had a reason was Seymour for wanting to end all suffering by becoming Sin... Kuja tried to do it for such an odd reason... Same with Sephiroth, nah Seymour had at least a "logical explaination" to why he wanted it and he never gave up, not even in death. Pretty bad at being evil though...

I just gotta say that Mid, you got quite some favorites there, not just one but a whole bunch hehe.

And yeah, FFXII could have been a lot longer, at the end when taht guy do thing in the FMV I though that the other evil guy would go all Grandall/Invicible(FFIX) on the place and absorb it so that he would be the last boss...
But no, the game ended there and now they are making some DS game with Vaan, Penello, Kites and a girl on a hovering skateboard that controls various armies of FF creatures, reminds me of Chocobo dungeon in a way...

And I heard that there will be two different FFXIII, one with a KH/DMC battle system and one that is a mix of the earlier FF games, letīs see when it comes.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 22, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
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I just gotta say that Mid, you got quite some favorites there, not just one but a whole bunch hehe.


Actually I posted on the first page I think, that Zidane's my favorite.  :p  I just felt like joining in with everyone else. XD After Zidane, celes and Edgar would be my favorites.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on May 22, 2007, 10:06:03 PM
Fighter, duh.
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Post by: Phayre on May 22, 2007, 11:10:47 PM
"Hawt", huh?
*still doesn't fathom video game crushes*
But, um, I forgot yo say Vincent, I think. My brother actually calls me Vincent (long long story kinda), so I has to loves him. Except DoC. *stab* If he ever turns up inKH, someone will die. Haven't decided who.
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Post by: Osmose on May 22, 2007, 11:41:07 PM
I'm just going to say that there could be spoilers but I'm too lazy to label them.

Kefka was a freaking HACK. I hated him, and not in the good way that I hated Algus for being evil - I hated Kefka because he was an AWFUL character. He was made insane by magicite and is a clown. That's his ENTIRE story. Sure, he does a lot of evil stuff, but I'm not really impressed by that because he's just goofy half of the time. Also, I'm not gay for FF6 like most of the internet is, hence I don't think he's as evil as, say, Vormav, who kills his own son for disobeying him, and then later RIPS HIS OWN HEART OUT WITH HIS HANDS to summon Altima.

Also, I didn't really read into the gods in FF12 that much - by the time they were really expanded upon all I got from it was that the Dynast King had done their work and stopped humans obsessed with controlling their history from doing bad things, and that one of the gods had gone rogue and screwed the whole thing up. Furthermore, I don't remember a Ro-country being the most powerful in FFT: Romanda was another country outside of Ivalice and as far as I know were never referred to as being super-powerful. Besides, the game was more concerned with the happenings inside of Ivalice, in which Zeltennia and Gallione were the big players in the Lion War.

I played FF11 for two months and still can't figure out why it was so addictive for Sai - I found the gameplay to be boring (It's similar to FF12 but way worse), although I wasn't that good at partying, and I could never find more than like 4 quests to do between levels 1 and 12, which is as far as I got on my own.
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on May 23, 2007, 12:02:27 AM
Osmose, I both love and hate you at the same time.

Please play Vagrant Story. You would love it.
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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on May 23, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
This whole topic needs a spoiler tag.   Put it in the description Phayre! J/k.
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Post by: Cosmos on May 23, 2007, 12:23:51 AM
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Osmose, I both love and hate you at the same time.

Please play Vagrant Story. You would love it.


I tried playing that game... hated it. << The fighting was decent tho, I just couldn't deal with the tidus/vaan lookalike character. <<
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Post by: Osmose on May 23, 2007, 01:28:05 AM
I guess I'll add it into my list of stuff to play once I find a working PS2 without a fliptop, because MINE BROKE AND BROKE EVEN MORE WHEN I TRIED TO FIX IT.

Speaking of which, anyone have an old-type PS2 that functions that they'd like to donate to... the Charas Development fund?

Also, your spoiler tags are in another server. <_<
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Post by: Phayre on May 23, 2007, 02:16:08 AM
Hey, not my fault people are browsing FF topics without playing the games first. Sucks for them, man, sucks for them.
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on May 23, 2007, 02:30:45 AM
I guess I have a thing for thief characters.

My fav is Zidane... but since we are going into subfavs and such:

Locke... awesome guy. Probally the 3rd or 4th most centered on figure in FF6 (first being Terra, second being Celes... 3rd maybe being Edgar or Sabin). Only thing I don't like about him is the fact that you don't have to get him back at the end. Everything else is great.

About Vaan... clearly FF12 wasn't focuses on characters, and if it was focused on any character, it would be Ashe and not Vaan. However, of the FF12 characters, Vaan is my second favorite. (not saying much :P) Balthier comes in first easily. Vaan was pretty decent, but the lack of focusing on his character made him lame up a bit.

Least favorites: Eward (FF4) Just a boring guy to have. Useless all around, and when he gets injured, he becomes a super puss.

Zell (FF8) Bad character, bad looks, bad all around. I did use him in combat a lot, just because his limit has the potential of being even better than Lionheart. He is your typical hot headed dumbie, but not the lovable kind.

Stiener (FF9) Same as Zell, only thick headed instead of hot headed. I used him also, just because of his kickass end-of-game weapons and attacks.

Yuna (FF10-2) Oh god... where did the lovable Yuna go from FF10-1? 10-2 Yuna was like taking Tidus's personality and putting it in Yuna's body.

I still liked all the games though. :)
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Post by: WarxePB on May 23, 2007, 02:47:17 AM
cloud lol
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Post by: Phayre on May 23, 2007, 01:50:09 PM
Hehehe..... Yuna even stole Tidus's hair for X-2. And his odd tattoo, which he stole from Jecht...... *head explodes*
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Post by: Ace of Spades on May 25, 2007, 06:00:08 PM
Frog/Glenn from Final Fantasy Chronicles.
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Post by: Phayre on May 25, 2007, 07:24:21 PM
But Ace.... that's Chrono Trigger I think. No counties.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on May 26, 2007, 03:56:48 AM
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But Ace.... that's Chrono Trigger I think. No counties.


Well technically, its from Final Fantasy Chronicles, which even though Chrono Trigger wasn't 'Final Fantasy' it was later put on a disk and labled under Final Fantasy Chronicles. The game kicked ***, but I didn't really like the characters all to much, Magus and Frog were cool though.

I hate when heros don't talk, why the hell wont they talk? I know this is an FF topic, but still, the chrono series, the BOF series, and a lot of other games, the heros dont say a word, and rely on the seconday characters to talk for them. They lose most of their personality right there. The only hero who is cool for not talking or at least acceptable, is Caim from Drakengard, but thats only because he gave up his voice to enter a pact with a dragon to get revenge.

Back on topic, I don't know why, but I like Eiko from FF9  :p
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Post by: Grandy on May 26, 2007, 12:17:35 PM
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But Ace.... that's Chrono Trigger I think. No counties.


Well technically, its from Final Fantasy Chronicles, which even though Chrono Trigger wasn't 'Final Fantasy' it was later put on a disk and labled under Final Fantasy Chronicles. The game kicked ***, but I didn't really like the characters all to much, Magus and Frog were cool though.

I hate when heros don't talk, why the hell wont they talk? I know this is an FF topic, but still, the chrono series, the BOF series, and a lot of other games, the heros dont say a word, and rely on the seconday characters to talk for them. They lose most of their personality right there. The only hero who is cool for not talking or at least acceptable, is Caim from Drakengard, but thats only because he gave up his voice to enter a pact with a dragon to get revenge.

Back on topic, I don't know why, but I like Eiko from FF9  :p [/B]


 I guss heros don't talk to make it easier to whoever's playing to relate to them. Because, let's say, if whoever is playing talks with slangs, it would be hard to identify with someone who talks like "I shall save thy land from thy efil."
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Post by: game_maniac on May 26, 2007, 01:27:01 PM
^You make a good point, but sometimes I don't want to relate to heroes, I want them to be a strong character with a cool personality.
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Post by: Darkfox on May 26, 2007, 02:21:53 PM
Didn't like Cloud, the guy has this overly gelled hair, a sword of freakishly large nature that is incorrectly used in all ways possible and added to that his personality is as developed as a green persimmon, and just as bitter.

Even though he looks like a girl, then again, few FF heroes look "manly", I think I'll just go with Cecil from FFIV for now. It was one of the first FFs I played.

Otherwise I'd go with Gau the feral kid from FFVI, I dunno if he counts as a hero but he's funny. XD And via a bug can become incredibly powerful. XD
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Post by: Phayre on May 26, 2007, 04:29:05 PM
What bug?
.....*goes off to gamefaqs*