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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Smokey_locs2006 on May 21, 2007, 07:15:42 AM
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I don't know if any of you knew of this but some girl fell in love with this one guy from another religion.
Well a local mob did not like that idea at all so they stoned her to death in the street and recorded it with their cell phones.
Be warned anyone with a weak stomach should not watch this video.
http://jebar.info/Badaxua.htm
Second Topic..
Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Now this was a weird dialogue...
Anyway, I can`t imagine a worse way to die...Like, burning up. It`s kinda quick...
When this video started the girl was already pretty f*cked up, which makes me think that it took quite a while to kill her.
Maybe there are more painful deaths, but no more horrendous act.
Ah, I gotta ask you guys something: In Korea the sell dead fetus` parts and brais for people to eat...Yeah, they eat fetus. It`s not like they take them from the mother to eat: they die from natural reasons and then they eat...it.
So, what you guys think (I`m not talking about gross or not)? This something terrible, offends something, some right...?
I`ll give my 2 cents later!
Kisses to Mid.
Third topic.
Abortion and babies feeling pain..
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Religious fanatics ftl
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God man...
All disgust for fanaticism aside...
Why even partially post a link to this crap? Theres nothing entertaining about people being killed by zealots.
edit: link dosent work anyways.
see, this is why i think all humans should be enslaved by my gemini special forces troops. If I think for you all, the world will be a nicer place, after the initial damage was reparated.
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Originally posted by gemini
God man...
All disgust for fanaticism aside...
Why even partially post a link to this crap? Theres nothing entertaining about people being killed by zealots.
edit: link dosent work anyways.
see, this is why i think all humans should be enslaved by my gemini special forces troops. If I think for you all, the world will be a nicer place, after the initial damage was reparated.
This wasn't suppose to be entertaining and the link worked for me.
As far as what else you said.. I'm not even going to grace you with my comment.
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Its not your job to comment on my plan...just to "go with it" as it were.
Meh...Im glad the link didnt work for me. Im fine with this.
Seriously though....What kind of mutherfuk sees a girl getting stoned to death and says "I should post this on the internet"?
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Originally posted by gemini
Its not your job to comment on my plan...just to "go with it" as it were.
Meh...Im glad the link didnt work for me. Im fine with this.
Seriously though....What kind of mutherfuk sees a girl getting stoned to death and says "I should post this on the internet"?
should work now, what kind of mother ****er thinks he could inslave the world with a few troops?
I guess some people just do not realize how big the world really is.
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Oh... I...
Uh...
I can't bring myself to click the link. I'm too disgusted already...
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*Ignores posts above*
This is awful. By using religion as an excuse for violence, these people are just adding fueling the opinion that religion is a bad thing. Honestly, religious people should be promoting understanding.
The trouble is that people sometimes use anything they can as an excuse to kill someone just because they like hurting people. Football violence, for example.
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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
*Ignores posts above*
This is awful. By using religion as an excuse for violence, these people are just adding fueling the opinion that religion is a bad thing. Honestly, religious people should be promoting understanding.
The trouble is that people sometimes use anything they can as an excuse to kill someone just because they like hurting people. Football violence, for example.
Football isn't about violence.
And yeah, this is pretty bad, don't care to actully watch it. People can twist religeon in many ways to just get what they want.
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I tried to watch, but it asked me to download the vid. I'll pass on that.. but I mean, ppl (mainly women) get stoned like everyday over seas. This isn't something new to me...
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Same things happen here in Sweden but that is in the familly and not putting it out on the internet... Not that Iīve noticed anyway...
Some parents who killed their daughter with a cermonial dagger when she dated a christian guy.
And a guy who dated a non-christian girl got boiling oil over him and then his arms cut of by her brothers...
These things was the rage in media but one it has changed to rapes in every magazines, no one cares anymore kinda.
So as Midnight said, more usuall than we like to admit...
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Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Honestly, religious people should be promoting understanding.
Not all religion is about understanding you know. >_>
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I know this isn't new I just wish to share it like with any good that goes around here. I have a friend named Adam from the Middle East and the stuff he told me about that his uncle would do was just crazy but it was even more shocking to watch it when he showed me the vids on his camera.
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Not cool.
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At law school I have this subject that, in a rough translation, would be called "legal medicine". We study the many kinds of injury a person can suffer and die from, so that in a scene of crime we know how to identify how was the person killed. That implies that I see slides every class. Every Thursday I see smashed, cut in half, blown, splattered people. I see things that are beyond recognition, like real meat packs that you can`t recognize. I've even seen a guy who liked to masturbate with a broom stick, by hanging in a tree and sticking it in his anus, and that obviously fell and died because the stick went up in his body until the height of his neck.
And even though I could look at those pics with academic eyes, not letting emotion get in the way or whatsoever.
But...this video shocked me beyond expected. I never felt so bad in my whole life. I never felt so much nausea out of something that isn`t actually happening in front of my eyes. And I never felt so disgusted about people.
Seriously, this is the first time I ever wanted USA to do some bad Nuclear bombing in a country again.
I don`t regret seeing it, though I wish from the bottom of my heart that I didn`t have to know how horrible it is, how cruel people can be and how blinding religion can become.
This should never be threated as old news.
Anyone else feels bad because you feel, even indirecly, responsible for other human beings acts? No one feels that you have the duty to educate the next one when you see they`re clearly lost all rationality?
Y`know...all this girl did was fall in love. And what is that? It is a rare moment when a human being leaves his sphere of selfishness, his little kingdom to actually think about someone else. Make the next one happy, just for the sake of it.
And a bunch of ______________(fill this blank space if you can define things like those monsters) stone a person to death for falling in love, for caring for someone that doens`t share the same religion.
Tell me something: how far can you take the "Culture" excuse? It`s a different culture! Does that seem right to you?
Extreme sadness. :(
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
At law school I have this subject that, in a rough translation, would be called "legal medicine". We study the many kinds of injury a person can suffer and die from, so that in a scene of crime we know how to identify how was the person killed. That implies that I see slides every class. Every Thursday I see smashed, cut in half, blown, splattered people. I see things that are beyond recognition, like real meat packs that you can`t recognize. I've even seen a guy who liked to masturbate with a broom stick, by hanging in a tree and sticking it in his anus, and that obviously fell and died because the stick went up in his body until the height of his neck.
And even though I could look at those pics with academic eyes, not letting emotion get in the way or whatsoever.
But...this video shocked me beyond expected. I never felt so bad in my whole life. I never felt so much nausea out of something that isn`t actually happening in front of my eyes. And I never felt so disgusted about people.
Seriously, this is the first time I ever wanted USA to do some bad Nuclear bombing in a country again.
I don`t regret seeing it, though I wish from the bottom of my heart that I didn`t have to know how horrible it is, how cruel people can be and how blinding religion can become.
This should never be threated as old news.
Anyone else feels bad because you feel, even indirecly, responsible for other human beings acts? No one feels that you have the duty to educate the next one when you see they`re clearly lost all rationality?
Y`know...all this girl did was fall in love. And what is that? It is a rare moment when a human being leaves his sphere of selfishness, his little kingdom to actually think about someone else. Make the next one happy, just for the sake of it.
And a bunch of ______________(fill this blank space if you can define things like those monsters) stone a person to death for falling in love, for caring for someone that doens`t share the same religion.
Tell me something: how far can you take the "Culture" excuse? It`s a different culture! Does that seem right to you?
Extreme sadness. :(
Man that's what I'm saying, it's different to hear about a situation
vs seeing it.
When I posted this on another site most of the damn kids said.
"oh well **** happens"
Then I asked them if they watched the video and none of them did.
Once a few did watch it their words completely changed.
When I was a child this female robbed a rink dink of a corner store and she ran out with 40 bucks the police saw her running and shot her right dead in the head. I saw this happen. I was sitting on the ground right when she fell next to me and I saw those cold, dead, eyes...
Now if I saw that on the news it would've said something like.
"dang" and nothing more.
I guess it doesn't shock some people until they actually see it or if it happens to someone they love.
This girl did something very beautiful. She loved someone
and didn't care that he was from another religion, she looked beyond that knowing that in her culture this is highly looked down on and what happens to her?
She gets ****ing stone to death while walking home by over 50 men....cheering like ****ing morons..
I hate people in religion. I hate them so much that they almost make me hate religion.
I'm not one to pass judgment but god isn't gonna do a damn thing about this situation. They should all be blown into a nuclear winter.
My friend Adam showed me some videos that his terrorist of a uncle recored.
In one they chopped off this guys head for some political reason and let me tell you...that video was very graphic.
They did it with a dual knife and used rocks to pound the knife in.
Now if Adam just told me about it I would've said something like.
"That's f'ed up man" and would've gave it not another thought..
So watch the video if you can..
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I refuse to watch the video, but I completely agree with what both you and Almeidaboo have said.
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I actually started watching the video, but there was a such a crowd in the shot that you couldn't even see anything; so I closed it, it wasn't worth trying hard to see something like that.
It's not the religion, it's not that she loved someone; it's violent people being violent. This happens all the time, and they will find something to blame.
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Exactly.. and I've watched stuff like this before.. I mean, what can I do from new york? Not much. I can say that it's fucked up and that there are some messed up people in this world, but not much else will come from it. It's hard to change other cultures, ect.. because they've had those traditions for a LONG time. For us "outsiders" it's unusual, but to them it's natural. We all have views on what's right and what's wrong ya know?
And Almei, leave america outta this for once <<;;
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Originally posted by Daetyrnis
I actually started watching the video, but there was a such a crowd in the shot that you couldn't even see anything; so I closed it, it wasn't worth trying hard to see something like that.
It's not the religion, it's not that she loved someone; it's violent people being violent. This happens all the time, and they will find something to blame.
The video gets closer to her. It's also the reason on why they believe she deserved such a painful way to die.
Originally posted by Midnight
Exactly.. and I've watched stuff like this before.. I mean, what can I do from new york? Not much. I can say that it's fucked up and that there are some messed up people in this world, but not much else will come from it. It's hard to change other cultures, ect.. because they've had those traditions for a LONG time. For us "outsiders" it's unusual, but to them it's natural. We all have views on what's right and what's wrong ya know?
And Almei, leave america outta this for once <<;;
The death wasn't really culture related it was really more of a reason to kill someone than anything. The people who killed her didn't have any type of official authority but there, the mobs really rule the land.
What can you do? Simple teach our only hope, children, that this is not cool one bit to do **** like that.
It might not seem like much but even there's a slim chance that someone wouldn't kill for the hell of it because of what you shared with them it's completely worth the effort.
Also it's easy to change someone's culture white people have been doing it since they came into the picture.
It's hard to change a culture with words. I actually believe it's not to impossible.
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I watched some of it, but I couldn't watch it all. Once they hit her head, my jaw dropped. I think people like this should be executed a.k.a. shot in the head, without hesitation. It's unbelievable what kind of sick people live in this world.
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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
*Ignores posts above*
This is awful. By using religion as an excuse for violence, these people are just adding fueling the opinion that religion is a bad thing. Honestly, religious people should be promoting understanding.
The trouble is that people sometimes use anything they can as an excuse to kill someone just because they like hurting people. Football violence, for example.
Football isn't about violence.
And yeah, this is pretty bad, don't care to actully watch it. People can twist religeon in many ways to just get what they want. [/B]
If football didn't have violence, people wouldn't watch it.
Same thing with Nascar and crashes.
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This is so ****ing sad i almost cried when i watched
i want to help her so bad
ill walk in that mob with ak47 and shoot all there ****ing heads off!!!
why did you post this for
this is not funny at all
WHY DIDNT THE COPS DO ANYTHING!!!!
Poor Thing
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i'd like to post again as if im not gay ^
ok well
i'd like to say it looks like its in iraq language when i went on the site.
and i feel sorry for this girl its like watching one of my sisters
dieing EVEN MY MUM
this is cruel.
i hate religion now i absoulutley HATE IT
imma new zealander
who never sees this stuff daily.
i felt sorry for her and i dont even no the girl.
why did the ppl do that? thats what i wonder?
was this a gang? why do they think its funny?
those are the four questions i wonder about
you think about it to.
its quite sad watching a girl die.
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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
People can twist religeon in many ways to just get what they want.
In fact, people can twist anything just to get what they want.
I'm not gonna watch it... I can imagine what happens, but... hell, the world is... normal. And I'm glad I'm crazy ^^
I'm not bashing religion, why?
First of all, being a lover of filosophy, I couldn't care less about religion, I see it as a way to stop a man's mind from trying to visualize more points of view... but I'm not gonna bash it because of this video.
Why?
Many crimes are commited, and not all by religious people. Nuns have been raped to death, and priests killed in death camps at WW2 for example.
I'd focus in just not put all people inside the same bag, but to give those who deserve it a nice punishment.
Is love such a big crime...?
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There's no way to justify an act like that, but there's no way to stop it either. We've been killing each other since the dawn of time, and nothing we do will change that; in fact, sapience has only given us more reasons and tools to kill one another with.
Besides, every culture has their own distinct identity. There's no one "better" culture than another. So what right do we have to tell them "You can't kill people because we say it's wrong"? I'm all for human rights, sure, but we can't force people to obey them.
As for religion, I think that it gives people some purpose - what's a better reason to live than pleasing a god? - but when in the hands of the wrong people, it loses meaning. True religion is what you believe, not what people tell you to believe.
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I don't care what culture you're in you do not kill someone for something that isn't hurting anyone and like I said she didn't die over a culture it was just a reason for a mob to kill someone.
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umm yea
i sort agree with the one on top me
but we are human and we have the same insides its the outside that looks diffrent.
it doesnt mean that we should go around killing each other.
its sin and its a sicking to the god i belive.
but tho he still belives every sin is the same.
and also sick to me for killing the girl in the video i watched.
its like watching the ring
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by DragonBlaze
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
*Ignores posts above*
This is awful. By using religion as an excuse for violence, these people are just adding fueling the opinion that religion is a bad thing. Honestly, religious people should be promoting understanding.
The trouble is that people sometimes use anything they can as an excuse to kill someone just because they like hurting people. Football violence, for example.
Football isn't about violence.
And yeah, this is pretty bad, don't care to actully watch it. People can twist religeon in many ways to just get what they want. [/B]
If football didn't have violence, people wouldn't watch it.
Same thing with Nascar and crashes.[/B]
This is true. Most of us get our high off of watching violence, like wrestling, boxing, street fights.
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Seriously, you canīt measure the violence degree of this until you see it to the end. I got strong stomach, I almost threw up. Itīs something to change a person's life seriously.
Now, we have to make it rational. Itīs not because of some fukked up fanatics that we'll go around hating religion.
As many said before, religion, being a human construction, can be interpreted and twisted by human anytime.
Religion's purpose is not to cause hathred and to promote death, but people lose their ways and get blind by it many times. So we must fight fanatism, not religion itself.
Mid, from NY you can do many things, but in your sphere of living. Youīre not gonna catch a plane to those places and shoot them with a AK47. But you can advice someone with fanatic tendencies, write something relevant about it and spreas the text so that more people get to know that reality. Itīs about just doing something for the sake of it, one person can do a diference.
What you canīt do, on another hand, is deny USA past actions...
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Originally posted by DragonBlaze
Football isn't about violence.
>.> I meant those people who used to go to Football matches for the sole purpose of starting fights. They used football as an excuse for violence, and I thought these religious people might be doing a similar thing.
As for the person who said that not all religion is about understanding, I meant understanding about their religion. Christianity, for example, wants people to understand their views on god and whatever because some of them think they're saving those people from damnation. However, when people act like their steriotypes and stone people, it alienates their religion and makes people achnowledge it less as a religion and more as an unacceptable way of thinking.
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Alright, but this thread has like nothing to do with America. It has to do with eastern countries, I don't understand why every debate has to go back to America. I mean, Americans lived in eastern countries before they came here. Like damn, I dislike America too sometimes but not enough to want an excuse to bash it every single chance ya know? It gets old.
And honestly, I'm not very emotional when it comes to people dying. I'm detached from the need to cry or feel for a person who dies, family members included. I tend to use the excuse that one death doesn't mean it's any different from any other death. But this is just me, cold? I know, but that's how I cope with these things.
And no matter how much advice you give a person, it's up to them to decide whether they want to listen to you or continue with their path. And you can't change a person whose ways are set in stone. Honestly, people are stubborn in their ways. You go to Africa and tell some man to throw on some clothes and see what he does to you. (No offense) It's not just that people are violent to be violent, they're taught this.
In the bible, doesn't it talk about stoning women for cheating? Or men for being gay? Other religions spawn off each other, and this is what happens. In those people's minds from that video, that girl shamed everyone. And the only way they could fix that is by doing what they did. Yes, I know that it's WRONG, but to them it's the right thing to do. This is what they were taught from birth. It's society that makes us who we are today. We're taught by those who came before us.
For example, if a child sees his father drink and beat his mother and siblings everyday until he's 18 and leaves his house. What is he gonna do? More then likely, repeat what he saw. These types of things go in a cycle. And yeah, you're right that someone should try and do something about it. But the ones who would probably listen more, are the children. Adults are hard to talk to, because they think they know everything and anyone who disagrees should be punished.
Another thing, I'm sure more people joined in on the attack. Ever been in a mob - like situation (pep - rally, sport's game, protest, ect..) ? It's like an infection. Once a couple of people start, everyone else joins in. Sometimes you don't even realize it happened before you've finished.
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I will be laughing and singing while those bastards rot in hell!
They have not right to beat someone because they must of gotten high or drunk.That movie was sick I puked all night.
Ive seen a thing about a mother eating her daughter and that made me sick.
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Originally posted by Koopapooper
I will be laughing and singing while those bastards rot in hell!
They have no right to beat someone because they must of gotten high or drunk.That movie was sick I puked all night.
ummm i was following your footsteps i almost did when i watched it.
some of it it looked as if it was the whole town so i dont think anyone or i Mean cops could of helped cause they might be the cause of the action.
like the 3 cops helping each other and raping little girls in
New Zealand.(and that was sick enough
Originally posted by Koopapooper
Ive seen a thing about a mother eating her daughter and that made me sick.
thats just sick i hate hearing stuff like that,
its like SAW1 and 2 and 3
having some mother to be forced to eat there daughter to pass the test.
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I want to have sex with midnight, because she is totally right.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
I want to have sex with midnight, because she is totally right.
*Strips* I'm ready.
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Seriously, you canīt measure the violence degree of this until you see it to the end. I got strong stomach, I almost threw up. Itīs something to change a person's life seriously.
Now, we have to make it rational. Itīs not because of some fukked up fanatics that we'll go around hating religion.
As many said before, religion, being a human construction, can be interpreted and twisted by human anytime.
Religion's purpose is not to cause hathred and to promote death, but people lose their ways and get blind by it many times. So we must fight fanatism, not religion itself.
Mid, from NY you can do many things, but in your sphere of living. Youīre not gonna catch a plane to those places and shoot them with a AK47. But you can advice someone with fanatic tendencies, write something relevant about it and spreas the text so that more people get to know that reality. Itīs about just doing something for the sake of it, one person can do a diference.
What you canīt do, on another hand, is deny USA past actions...
**** Brazil.
Seriously though, no one gives a **** anymore. We get it. You dont like America. It just makes you sound like an ***hole at this point by saying it over and over again in every post. Not every thread revolves around America. I mean, not to offend you or anything, but god damn.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
I want to have sex with midnight, because she is totally right.
are you lesbian because your gnder says your female
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Originally posted by Revolution911
Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Seriously, you canīt measure the violence degree of this until you see it to the end. I got strong stomach, I almost threw up. Itīs something to change a person's life seriously.
Now, we have to make it rational. Itīs not because of some fukked up fanatics that we'll go around hating religion.
As many said before, religion, being a human construction, can be interpreted and twisted by human anytime.
Religion's purpose is not to cause hathred and to promote death, but people lose their ways and get blind by it many times. So we must fight fanatism, not religion itself.
Mid, from NY you can do many things, but in your sphere of living. Youīre not gonna catch a plane to those places and shoot them with a AK47. But you can advice someone with fanatic tendencies, write something relevant about it and spreas the text so that more people get to know that reality. Itīs about just doing something for the sake of it, one person can do a diference.
What you canīt do, on another hand, is deny USA past actions...
**** Brazil.
Seriously though, no one gives a **** anymore. We get it. You dont like America. It just makes you sound like an ***hole at this point by saying it over and over again in every post. Not every thread revolves around America. I mean, not to offend you or anything, but god damn.
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Uhhh...dude, it`s not about Brazil, seriously. It`s about me. It's not like everyone in Brazil hates the USA, belive me.
I actually don't hate THE USA, cause that would mean to hate people that have nothing to do with and do not support interventional international politics.
I hope I cleared things out. I can`t really express myself 100% in english...
About danielturipa`s post: ROFLMAO!!!!
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Originally posted by danielturipa
Originally posted by Meiscool
I want to have sex with midnight, because she is totally right.
are you lesbian because your gnder says your female[/B]
No... I'm straight....
Midnight is lying about his sex. He's just a sick prev that enjoys pretending to be a girl. I just said "she" because he likes to be called she.
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Originally posted by danielturipa
Originally posted by Meiscool
I want to have sex with midnight, because she is totally right.
are you lesbian because your gnder says your female[/B]
No... I'm straight....
Midnight is lying about his sex. He's just a sick prev that enjoys pretending to be a girl. I just said "she" because he likes to be called she.[/B]
hahaha well i dont no if your str8
do i???
cause your gender tells us a diffrent story
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That's right, everything you read on the internet is true.
That's why I am currently residing as the King of England, and Wikipedia is now the richest country on Earth.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Alright, but this thread has like nothing to do with America. It has to do with eastern countries, I don't understand why every debate has to go back to America. I mean, Americans lived in eastern countries before they came here. Like damn, I dislike America too sometimes but not enough to want an excuse to bash it every single chance ya know? It gets old.
And honestly, I'm not very emotional when it comes to people dying. I'm detached from the need to cry or feel for a person who dies, family members included. I tend to use the excuse that one death doesn't mean it's any different from any other death. But this is just me, cold? I know, but that's how I cope with these things.
And no matter how much advice you give a person, it's up to them to decide whether they want to listen to you or continue with their path. And you can't change a person whose ways are set in stone. Honestly, people are stubborn in their ways. You go to Africa and tell some man to throw on some clothes and see what he does to you. (No offense) It's not just that people are violent to be violent, they're taught this.
In the bible, doesn't it talk about stoning women for cheating? Or men for being gay? Other religions spawn off each other, and this is what happens. In those people's minds from that video, that girl shamed everyone. And the only way they could fix that is by doing what they did. Yes, I know that it's WRONG, but to them it's the right thing to do. This is what they were taught from birth. It's society that makes us who we are today. We're taught by those who came before us.
For example, if a child sees his father drink and beat his mother and siblings everyday until he's 18 and leaves his house. What is he gonna do? More then likely, repeat what he saw. These types of things go in a cycle. And yeah, you're right that someone should try and do something about it. But the ones who would probably listen more, are the children. Adults are hard to talk to, because they think they know everything and anyone who disagrees should be punished.
Another thing, I'm sure more people joined in on the attack. Ever been in a mob - like situation (pep - rally, sport's game, protest, ect..) ? It's like an infection. Once a couple of people start, everyone else joins in. Sometimes you don't even realize it happened before you've finished.
That second paragraph was 100 percent, I cut myself to feel better at night. It wasn't cold. What's cold is when you laugh at the death.
Nothing is set in stone. Yes it is up to someone if they take your advice or not but what you say could in fact change the path they choose.
Mad... i repeat... mob.. no political status, mob. Gangsters, thugs, idiots and yes the bible does speak about stoning people, which is why the so called Jesus told them to **** off with that **** be cause it wasn't cool.
I was taught to hate white people and I only hate 40 percent of them there are those who do think on their own and if they even believe in the cause they might for another reason. Most of my family is Black Muslims so you can only guess how much they love white people. It is hard to make a change but change does happen.
Which is why that loud nigga in your class is even aloud to attend the same school as you.
my great grandma told me she use to say things like you're saying she lived during the race riots and all of that and it really did only take one voice for the domino effect to happen. Even if you're not that person to start the domino effect you could be the one to encourage someone to be that domino.
I'm not one to piss over a death but i always do ask
"Well how did they die?"
that's the killer right there, how and why.
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I dun cut myself, and yes I do laugh at ppl dying sometimes. It just dun wanna hear the "Oh you're a bitch" comments. But please, go right ahead *glares at ppl*
I got enough of my friends telling me I'm going to hell anyways. <<;;
And honestly, it would be years before those ppl change. We prolly wont be alive by then.
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I got a translated version of this story and those guys that were stoning her were her family members. She was a Kurd and her boyfriend was a Sunni.
She tried to take refuge with a friend of the family and her uncles and cousins came into the house and dragged her out and beat her to death. She knew they were after her.
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What Mid is talking about is more formally known as Moral Relativism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism). You can read the article if you want to know all about it, but basically it boils down to a belief that morals, ethics, etc. are all based upon culture, personality, etc, and as such the thought of, say, one person thinking the girl deserved to be stoned cannot be compared against the thought that she shouldn't unless both positions come from similar moral backgrounds. A simple example would be two Chrstians of similar levels of faith arguing over whether it was okay to stone her.
Personally, I think it was wrong, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it - I didn't know her. I could certainly try and sympathize and probably pull up caring and emotion for her as a fellow human being, but all that gets me is some sad feelings, because I can't bring her back to life. And I don't believe that I have the devotion to such a cause to make a difference and save the lives of future girls in similar situations. Sure, I could try and be Smo's Domino, but I just don't think it would be that big of a difference.
I deal with death by minimizing it - people die every day, so why should I be surprised that someone dies? Or if someone I know dies? I may have concern for their loved ones and others hurt by their death, and may still feel sad for their passing away and miss them, but it is hardly the major change many people make it out to be because sooner or later they were going to die anyway.
And thus, it doesn't seem that important to me. I watched the video, felt bad for the girl, but didn't get sick because there's no point in getting sick - people have died worse deaths. Hell, people have suffered more by living - the guy who lost half of his face in a car accident and was conscious through the entire process of retrieving him, surgery, etc. and watched from his free eyeball that was laying on a mound of flesh because he didn't have a socket for it anymore. There's ALWAYS something worse.
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Come on Osmose. Some people just aren't as visual as others so when they hear a story of something crazy it doesn't phase them but when they see it they freak out. Which is always funny to watch and yes I hope no one loses any sleep over this but just to say
"oh well, **** happens" is just flat out stupid.
my point in posting this wasn't to depress anyone or to get anyone to change the world, hell I don't believe you people can but if someone says change isn't possible then I shall tell them how it is possible regardless if I support it or not.
It is possible you'd be shocked how well someone will suck a dick with a gun to their head and then again you have those who would rather just be shot.
Car crashes and all that mess doesn't really bother me but when someone picks on someone weaker than them...then it bothers me.
I've never had to problem in my life of someone stronger than me picking on me but I've always had a issue with seeing others be a bully.
Hell I'd wish they would gang up on me like that..
I'd go out like a champion.
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But the thing is, **** does happen. And moose is right, there is always something worse. I mean, don't get me wrong.. a death is a death.. but there are worse ways to die.. and there are worse ways to be alive.
Countries like that, are poor.. they have education but not much of it. If they had more money, and a better education system where they can learn about the rest of the world.. then there would be some change. But most people are too busy with their own lives to care for another.
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I can totally understand why anything like this, wrongdoing, death in general, etc. bother people. It's probably better that some people care more about it than I do, because they're the people who would have the drive to do something about it. I'm just saying that I myself don't.
And apparently Mid too.
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Apparently so. And think of it this way, least she's in a better place now.
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...Hell?
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Originally posted by Midnight
Apparently so. And think of it this way, least she's in a better place now.
heh, What? Their heaven? Read on it, you'll laugh I promise you it's about as funny as the Christian idea of heaven.
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Um.. I meant the afterlife, where ever that may be.. Honestly, I'm a believer in the whole reincarnation bit.
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well some of yous guys proberly dont belive in pyschics
but i do!!!!!
you might think im crazy but im not.
my mum reads tarot cards an i do some times.
but i belive there is no hell and no god,
i belive theres just a higher power to us.
And i reckon this young girl beaten to DEATH,
Will now live onto another after life or even go to the spirit world.
...........................................R.I.P..............................................................
.........................................little girl...........................................................
I just wish that the higher power would this young person of a sudden
..........................................DEATH............................................................
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Heey whatever keeps you going man just don't look too deeply into it or you'll be severely disappointed.
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Originally posted by Smokey_locs2006
Heey whatever keeps you going man just don't look too deeply into it or you'll be severely disappointed.
ok man
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Now this was a weird dialogue...
Anyway, I can`t imagine a worse way to die...Like, burning up. It`s kinda quick...
When this video started the girl was already pretty f*cked up, which makes me think that it took quite a while to kill her.
Maybe there are more painful deaths, but no more horrendous act.
Ah, I gotta ask you guys something: In Korea the sell dead fetus` parts and brais for people to eat...Yeah, they eat fetus. It`s not like they take them from the mother to eat: they die from natural reasons and then they eat...it.
So, what you guys think (I`m not talking about gross or not)? This something terrible, offends something, some right...?
I`ll give my 2 cents later!
Kisses to Mid.
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Now this was a weird dialogue...
Anyway, I can`t imagine a worse way to die...Like, burning up. It`s kinda quick...
When this video started the girl was already pretty f*cked up, which makes me think that it took quite a while to kill her.
Maybe there are more painful deaths, but no more horrendous act.
Ah, I gotta ask you guys something: In Korea the sell dead fetus` parts and brais for people to eat...Yeah, they eat fetus. It`s not like they take them from the mother to eat: they die from natural reasons and then they eat...it.
So, what you guys think (I`m not talking about gross or not)? This something terrible, offends something, some right...?
I`ll give my 2 cents later!
Kisses to Mid.
Pish a fetus isn't a human. There's still question if the thing even feels pain.
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That.. is so disgusting, omg visuals. I consider them alive... I mean anything that has cells should be alive, right? That's what they usually tell us anyways..
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You're not quite alive until you begin forming thoughts, you're just "there".
As for this video? Crazy stuff, seriously crazy. I dread opening it from the descriptions. Humans can be a sick race when they want to.
I'm in a dual-religion relationship myself (her being Christian and me being Jewish) but none of us are religious... Nor are families mad.
Still, kinda gets you thinking. Human beings put so many barriers, seperating and fighting among us.
When Mars invades us we're going to get our *** kicked, seriously.
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But they still eat. How are they not alive if they don't eat? And how do we know that they can't think? Is it because they don't speak? When they're "born" or thrown out, they still don't talk until like a year or two or whenever. How do we know that babies don't think? I'm sure that babies don't know the meanings of words when they're first born. So they prolly aren't thinking much of anything at that point. When they're hungry, they cry. When they gotta ****, they cry. When they're cranky, they cry. Are they considered not alive too?
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Stop spoiling my aboration plot!
Heh, I guess it's each to his own - I seriously wouldn't have doubts if I had to go through an aboration (Especially since I'm a guy and we get pregnant all the time?..)
I reckon a few debates about Fetus pain-feeling ability, if I remember correctly 12 weeks was the lowest and about 24 weeks was the average (When they develop pain-feeling cababilities). On forming thoughts? you need to have a brain to do that :P They aren't created with (A capable) one, it grows.
But I think I best add now so you wont consider me a total heartless scum... I see a huge difference between a 1 day old fetus and a.. say, 24 weeks old Fetus. Not to mention so far I haven't been brought up the situation where abortion was needed (for my girlfriend... :P) so I can only assume how I'd react - Sometimes thoughts and actions are totally different, like mastrubation.
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I'm surprised no one has said that they're against abortion and for killing babies yet.
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I am..
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So you don't mind a baby being born to a family uncapable of sustaining it? Harsh.
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Funny.
I just watched (like literally 20 minutes before this post) the movie Three Extremes. One of the stories in there was of a Chinese woman who eats dumplings made of fetus. It was suppose to make her look young it it worked. THen blah blah blah and she eats her own aborted fetus.
Eh. Pretty good movie. It was one of them 3 in 1 movies with 3 different directors.
BUT ANYWAY.
People around the world eat alot of **** that we dont and I dont really care. What I care about is when something based entirely on a belief results in violence. I say let em eat what they want.
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Originally posted by Rikkator
So you don't mind a baby being born to a family uncapable of sustaining it? Harsh.
I'm one of those babies. So no, I don't mind. Hell if anything, adoption is better. There are plenty of people incapable of having children. And those ppl who are considering an abort, shoulda worn protection. :dry:
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Abortion cool when:
You're means of protection failed.
Rape.
Birth could be fatal to the mother.
Not cool when:
You didn't even try to protect yourself.
Abortion is not a means of contraception. I don't know how they would seperate the women being whores and the women who honestly tried to prevent it but if they could, that'd be cool with me.
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This is just sick. All of this. I'm almost in tears about all of this, I'm sweating, my throat is starting to hurt, and I'm all out stressing from all of this. It's disgusting! This went from talking about what happened to a girl, to bashing a whole number of things, to talking about if it's alright to kill your kids before they're born!
Abortion is sick and wrong. But guess what? eating you own children because they didn't fully develop yet!? That's even worse! One let's other people kill your kids, the other, let's you eat them! fun! Drunken accident, protection failing, whatever, it shouldn't matter! A child is a person's genetic copy! You shouldn't just say "I don't want a kid." and kill them off because it might be inconvinient!
I gave my thoughts on all this, as little I may have said because I feel sick reading this, now I'm off.
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I'm guessing you're a religious type. If this video did that much to you, kill yourself. There is a whole world out there you're not ready to see. Don't get a job, don't talk to anyone, and do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT watch the news. Live in a basement for the rest of your life.
Either that or get used to it.
Abortions are necessary. This isn't some fairy tale god-loving world. Girls who just hit puberty get raped. If they get pregnant there is a good chance that they wont survive the birth. People use every kind of protection they can to avoid being a parent. It fails from time to time and they're stuck with a responsibility that they took the proper measures to ignore.
The kids that are eaten die from natural reasons. If it's in their culture, they will eat it. Its actually very nutritious. Not saying its right, but it is. A culture is a culture. Their traditions and practices are more than likely based off their old religious beliefs. The religious beliefs you seem to hold so dear. If you had grown up there, it'd be a normal practice. Who's to say that they're wrong. Your god? Well their god says you're wrong. Deal with it.
I apologize if you're not religious, but my argument still stands.
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See, we`re talking about natural death, these babies ain`t aborted, they`re born dead. All people do is eat them.
Of course, there is the disgusting factor, but from the feeding perspective...is it wrong? I don`t wanna know if you`d do it, obviously you wouldn't. I wanna know about right or wrong, in your opinion. Is it right to eat something that is dead, even if it is a human being? Or this offends moral or something?
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I think it's wrong. We should respect the dead.
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Originally posted by Midnight
I think it's wrong. We should respect the dead.
There you go!
What about the dead animals? You don`t see people and animals as the same?
(my mistake if you`re a vegan :P)
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... I love my damn chicken.. ;.;... ALMEI DON'T DO THIS TO ME!!! :(
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In my opinion, abortion should only be an option if the pregnancy is potentially or certainly fatal to the mother. I mean, getting raped has gotta be one of the most horrid things that can happen to a girl. But like it or not, you're pregnant now. It's not right, it's not fair, but you can't take it out on the baby inside of you growing. If I was a chick, and I was raped, I wouldn't want an abortion, I'd most likely go through the nine months, give birth to the child, and then put them up for adoption. Now granted, none of this would be easy at all. And for me to sit here and make predictions of what I would do is kinda flawed. No one knows what they would do in that situation. But I'm just saying, to me, that seems like the right thing to do.
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lol wow this topic took a huge change.
Anyways..
A fetus does not feel pain, it has no emotions, it's just a thing, not even human.
To eat them I don't really think it's immoral I think it's nasty.
I'd say it is wrong to eat another person's fetus but your own...
hell you made it.
Plus it's just a life before it's a life, right people?
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I'm gonna hit you with a fetus, and see how you like smo :p
Anyways, I was thinking about this before I went to sleep and here is my answer... It's just wrong to eat your own kind.. have a ever seen a lion or a dog eat it's own kind? Um.. no. So why eat a baby that's not fully developed? Because it's your own? ... or because it tastes like chicken? That's just so wrong.. SO FREAKING WRONG.. Goddamn cannibalistic bastards!!
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Originally posted by Midnight
Originally posted by Rikkator
So you don't mind a baby being born to a family uncapable of sustaining it? Harsh.
I'm one of those babies. So no, I don't mind. Hell if anything, adoption is better. There are plenty of people incapable of having children. And those ppl who are considering an abort, shoulda worn protection. :dry: [/B]
Savvy davvy, I agree with you 100%.
Problem is a lot don't even try protection means.
I know it's a bit of a "harsh" point of view, especially now that you say you are one - but seriously, such families ussualy end up leeching on other families (Taxes) and it's bloody depressing.
But this is a very inhuman subject, it's where morals clash with real life and people have to make very tough statments, such as supporting aboration.
I have no clue what I'm talking about anymore, but it sounds intellectual :]]
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I've been hit with a fetus before but that one was still in my aunt
Hell mankind ate that kurd...with freaken stones.
I say it's more evil to stone a chick vs eating a fetus.
Fetus nugget meat cereal
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Originally posted by Midnight
I'm gonna hit you with a fetus, and see how you like smo :p
Anyways, I was thinking about this before I went to sleep and here is my answer... It's just wrong to eat your own kind.. have a ever seen a lion or a dog eat it's own kind? Um.. no. So why eat a baby that's not fully developed? Because it's your own? ... or because it tastes like chicken? That's just so wrong.. SO FREAKING WRONG.. Goddamn cannibalistic bastards!!
You know, some animals eat their own young to protect them from getting eaten by something else.
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yep, the daredevil eats her babies if they don't make it back inside her.. which is gross..
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Animals eat their young to protect them from being eaten?
You sir, are wrong.
They eat their young because
A)they are going to die and rather than attract pests and scavengers the momma eats baby to regain lost nourishment
B) there is a fear of said baby attracting predators via smell.
C)The momma is crazy
No animal eats a baby to protec t it.
thats silly.
"little jimmy, Im going to have to eat you now. Youve been getting beat up a school too often. Its for your own good."
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Ok, I luff the way you put that, but that aside.
Anyway, *I* am not religious, I'm Christian, there's a HUGE difference. As the bible says, birth isn't the beginning of life, but the sperm reaching the egg is. it's also been believed at times that fetuses DO feel pain during the later stages of pregnancy, and therefore, with such in mind, can a thing that's not alive feel pain?
and if something that will soon be alive isn't according to, alive, what is it? is it dead until it's given birth to? Not likely.
Fetuses are, in my own beliefs, alive as said above, and CAN feel pain in the later stages of its "Life cycle."
That's why, in my eyes, adding more barbaracy (?) to the already barbaric, there, as of yet, to my knowledge, is no such thing as abortion anesthetics or however the hell you spell that word... ><
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Originally posted by Dominicy
Ok, I luff the way you put that, but that aside.
Anyway, *I* am not religious, I'm Christian, there's a HUGE difference. As the bible says, birth isn't the beginning of life, but the sperm reaching the egg is. it's also been believed at times that fetuses DO feel pain during the later stages of pregnancy, and therefore, with such in mind, can a thing that's not alive feel pain?
and if something that will soon be alive isn't according to, alive, what is it? is it dead until it's given birth to? Not likely.
Fetuses are, in my own beliefs, alive as said above, and CAN feel pain in the later stages of its "Life cycle."
That's why, in my eyes, adding more barbaracy (?) to the already barbaric, there, as of yet, to my knowledge, is no such thing as abortion anesthetics or however the hell you spell that word... ><
We're a barbaric species, raised from barbaric beliefs and ancestors. If you cant deal with barbarism, kill yourself and pray you get reincarnated as a dust bunny.
By the way...
"I am not religious, I'm a Christian"
You have got to be kidding me. I lol'd so hard.
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying. It's a different culture. They were RAISED with different BELIEFS. You're in no position to judge what is barbaric and what is not because you haven't been 1/10th around the world. You haven't experienced different cultures and seen that our way of life isn't the norm in the rest of the world.
Either way, fetuses are...well...pretty healthy. Maybe thats why AMERICA IS SO FAT.
Hell, we should start doing that.
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Originally posted by Revolution911
By the way...
"I am not religious, I'm a Christian"
You have got to be kidding me. I lol'd so hard.
So did I XD
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was retarded.
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Also thought it was dumb.
Christianity is a RELIGION, Dom, just wanted to point that out.
Alright, here's my point of view. I personally couldn't watch the whole video, because I do think it is wrong. No person should be able to choose death for another. It doesn't matter who the person is, no one has the right to kill. Now, I do understand that they're from a different culture, but nonetheless, killing is still wrong. And, going on those same lines is why I am against abortions as well. The fetus has life from the moment of conception, even if it does not yet have brain or heart functions. Due to this, I think that it is murder, despite the child being only a small number of cells. Many couples in the world are desperate for children and cannot reproduce, so giving a child up for adoption is better then killing the poor child. I want to say that I agree with abortions in only two causes. The first, is a rape. If a woman is raped, and gets pregnant, the child could make the already traumatized woman worse, driving them to the point of no return. I also think that in the case that the woman can not survive the delivery of the child, that the child should be aborted. But, this second argument is not common, because of a C-section birth, where even the smallest, most fragile woman can give birth.
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So.... when I masturbate or wear a condom during sex it's murder? <.<
(Not like I ever wear the damn things)
Wow... I guess I'm going to Cristian hell or something...
It's not barbaric it's just different.
I love how you people drag animals into this.
Anyone... religious or not will agree...
we are above them they are not on our level they are highly expendable and highly stupid in comparison.
I don't need a bible to tell me that.
I'mma open a pizza joint and a abortion clinic next to each other.
Our slogan will be.
"Your lost is our sauce."
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Yeaaah going off topic! wooohoo!
Didn't this debate start over a girl being beaten up due to religion? Now we're on about Pizza...
On a different note
""little jimmy, Im going to have to eat you now. Youve been getting beat up a school too often. Its for your own good.""
Haha!
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Somewhat I feel like I haven`t been clear enough, cause people seem to be arguing whether fetuses feel pain or not....
They eat DEAD fetuses alright? Therefore they feel no pain, and therefore forget about the pain thing. And they eat fetuses that aew BORN DEAD, so no pain inflicted to them in order to make their barbecue.
And, to end the pain thing for sure: fetuses DO FEEL PAIN. They are alive and they have awareness of what`s going around. How can you affirm that Almeidaboo? See, one of the abortion methods is to use a vacuum...thingy to suck the fetus out. The thing do not suck the whole fetus, it sucks part by part, which means the fetus is torn in many pieces while being sucked.
I saw a VIDEO of that in school, and when the cane of the vaccum-thing touched the fetus, it actually bent itself in fear and pain. So yeah, they feel pain, but if you do to Korea you can eat you fetus without preocupation, because DEAD fetus do not feel pain or scream.
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I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, :P It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.
Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
Also thought it was dumb.
Christianity is a RELIGION, Dom, just wanted to point that out.
Alright, here's my point of view. I personally couldn't watch the whole video, because I do think it is wrong. No person should be able to choose death for another. It doesn't matter who the person is, no one has the right to kill. Now, I do understand that they're from a different culture, but nonetheless, killing is still wrong. And, going on those same lines is why I am against abortions as well. The fetus has life from the moment of conception, even if it does not yet have brain or heart functions. Due to this, I think that it is murder, despite the child being only a small number of cells. Many couples in the world are desperate for children and cannot reproduce, so giving a child up for adoption is better then killing the poor child. I want to say that I agree with abortions in only two causes. The first, is a rape. If a woman is raped, and gets pregnant, the child could make the already traumatized woman worse, driving them to the point of no return. I also think that in the case that the woman can not survive the delivery of the child, that the child should be aborted. But, this second argument is not common, because of a C-section birth, where even the smallest, most fragile woman can give birth.
Just so you know, when I talk about cultures, it's about the eatin' fetus'.
BUT ANYWAY, If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly? Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing? Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.
And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate. THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH. It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL. C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that. My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption." Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.
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Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, :P It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.
Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.
oh, sorry Mid, that one wasn't for you! And yes, abortion is a great thing to discuss...
Now, saying animals are stupid...We're the wrong ones in this story Smo...We protect the weak and let our race become weaker. We humans do not look to the future and no longer fight for our species to survive. We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.
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Abortion is prefectly acceptible.
The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.
I know you're being serious, but omg that made me laugh XD!
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Yeah. If youre anti abortion...you got some de-ignorancing to do.
Rape...thats abortion worthy.
A 14 year old girl accidentally getting preggers...that can destroy that girls pelvis.
Drug and alcohol damaged pregnancies..
Adoption is all well and fine... And In my opinion, in alot of cases its the best road to take. "I didnt wanna be pregnant is no excuse"
But sometimes having the child is simply NOT an option
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Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.
The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.
And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p
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Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, :P It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.
Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.
Key word here baby in "comparison"
Originally posted by Almeidaboo
Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, :P It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.
Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.
oh, sorry Mid, that one wasn't for you! And yes, abortion is a great thing to discuss...
Now, saying animals are stupid...We're the wrong ones in this story Smo...We protect the weak and let our race become weaker. We humans do not look to the future and no longer fight for our species to survive. We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.[/B]
Surly not all humans are this way but we all are at times.
Humans are too intelligent to get along with each other as a whole
Sure the world would be a better place but I'd be one bored mofo.
Also I would leave a lot of females behind in time of battle.
and yes your Ipod comment made me laugh.
I remember the Ipod wars at Wal-Mart, I supported our troops.
on another note... this topic owns.. if you're just now joining it.. just run.
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Originally Posted by Shady Ultima
Also thought it was dumb.
Christianity is a RELIGION, Dom, just wanted to point that out.
Alright, here's my point of view. I personally couldn't watch the whole video, because I do think it is wrong. No person should be able to choose death for another. It doesn't matter who the person is, no one has the right to kill. Now, I do understand that they're from a different culture, but nonetheless, killing is still wrong. And, going on those same lines is why I am against abortions as well. The fetus has life from the moment of conception, even if it does not yet have brain or heart functions. Due to this, I think that it is murder, despite the child being only a small number of cells. Many couples in the world are desperate for children and cannot reproduce, so giving a child up for adoption is better then killing the poor child. I want to say that I agree with abortions in only two causes. The first, is a rape. If a woman is raped, and gets pregnant, the child could make the already traumatized woman worse, driving them to the point of no return. I also think that in the case that the woman can not survive the delivery of the child, that the child should be aborted. But, this second argument is not common, because of a C-section birth, where even the smallest, most fragile woman can give birth.
I'm just gonna stick to what this says. While it is true that nothing hurts more than childbirth, I see girls who get pregnant left and right. They come from bad homes and poor families and yet still manage to make it. The only real excuses to get an abortion are rape and maybe incest.
Please don't eat people. There are hopefully better things you can eat. Do you really want to eat a mammal that doesn't walk on four legs?
Originally Posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.
The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.
Tell me the passage. My church doesn't tell us this stuff. :)
I am not religious, I'm a Christian
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Nope. No Comment.
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.
The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.
And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p[/B]
One, just one drop of pee I dropped so hard I laughed...inhuman strenght held the whole whole inside the blatter...
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@About: Uh... passage, I don't remember. I heard it read durring a political hearing (I can vote next election!!!!!) so I'm begining to pay more attention to these things.
Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.
The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.
And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p[/B]
I was merely adding that side note to show that even the Christian "Code of Conduct" says abortion isn't wrong under certain events.
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Originally posted by Revolution911
BUT ANYWAY, If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly? Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing? Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.
And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate. THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH. It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL. C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that. My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption." Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.[/B]
Yes, I know that birth is painful, I do understand that. But what I think is, if a female WILLINGLY HAS SEX, then she should have to deal with the consquences. I'll kill a fly, eat veggies and I love my meat, but that is different, because all animals have to eat, and killing food is a part of that. Killing a fetus is not for food. It's not so much that I'm against the killing, so much as I'm against the fact that we live in a world where people don't think about the consequences. Why do some people have sex without protection? With all the information about STDS and pregnancy in the world, you'd think people would be smarter, but many still do it.
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I can answer that last question, it feels so much better without a Jimmy but I know what you're getting at.
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I don't think the child birth = pain argument is really applicable for that.
Well maybe.
For the people who can afford it, there are drugs to stop that pain, or at least lessen it.
For the mothers who want to be mothers, you can ask any of them and they'd say it was worth it.
For the underage/poor/unwilling soon to be mothers, well, it's a lot of pain, but it's not going to kill you.*
*IN MOST CASES
Originally posted by Meiscool
I was merely adding that side note to show that even the Christian "Code of Conduct" says abortion isn't wrong under certain events.
Yeah, I know, but it was WAY too good to resist.
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Only if either brain or heart is developed in any way than it is alive, before that it is just cells, it would be no different than killing germs, cells cannot feel pain as they have no sensory capabilities. However if one plans to go through with it and have the child, yet are unable to care for it, it may be best to leave it to a person who can raise a child. At most, you have left progeny behind to carry on the bloodline, even if the child is unaware of who it's biological parents are.
Anyway back to the main topic at hand, religion is a double edged blade, it can be used for good or ill purposes, to guide those who are uncertain of what to do or to create war and chaos, furthering the entropy and extinction of the human race.
Should the Zealots have their way and cause this world to return to the dark ages they so desire. It would take years, perhaps centuries, for humans to realize the error of their own ways.
I have grown ill of religion because people have constantly used it for their own ends. I do know this though, our creator would not want it's own children to fight one another because of differences in their beliefs and views. This bias the cause for countless wars time and again.
but perhaps I am looking too deeply into this issue.
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One point you're leaving out is that by having a baby you're changing your life forever- and in some cases, ruining your life.
No-one should have to be burdened with a child if they don't want it. I think the mother's needs should be placed far above the unborn baby's needs, seeing as, even if it is aware, it's only known the inside of a womb and has nothing to look forward to or treasure.
I've always been really really for abortion.
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
Originally posted by Revolution911
BUT ANYWAY, If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly? Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing? Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.
And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate. THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH. It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL. C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that. My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption." Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.[/B]
Yes, I know that birth is painful, I do understand that. But what I think is, if a female WILLINGLY HAS SEX, then she should have to deal with the consquences. I'll kill a fly, eat veggies and I love my meat, but that is different, because all animals have to eat, and killing food is a part of that. Killing a fetus is not for food. It's not so much that I'm against the killing, so much as I'm against the fact that we live in a world where people don't think about the consequences. Why do some people have sex without protection? With all the information about STDS and pregnancy in the world, you'd think people would be smarter, but many still do it. [/B]
But people DO USE PROTECTION. Protection can fail. It happens all the time. But if you took the precautions because you understood the risks, thats not fair. If a condom breaks or birth control fails, it is NOT fair to deny them an abortion.
As for the fetus, other animals eat their young all the time alive. We're nothing more than animals with bigger brains who claim to be superior and have a "better" set of morals than the other animals, yet we're the ones in chaos all the time. It's not like they're killing them, they die naturally and they eat them. Different culture.
..Not to mention the nutrients earned. :flower:
LOOKIT REV. HE'S DEFENDING EATING FETUS'. WHAT AN ***.
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
Originally posted by Revolution911
BUT ANYWAY, If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly? Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing? Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.
And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate. THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH. It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL. C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that. My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption." Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.[/B]
Yes, I know that birth is painful, I do understand that. But what I think is, if a female WILLINGLY HAS SEX, then she should have to deal with the consquences. I'll kill a fly, eat veggies and I love my meat, but that is different, because all animals have to eat, and killing food is a part of that. Killing a fetus is not for food. It's not so much that I'm against the killing, so much as I'm against the fact that we live in a world where people don't think about the consequences. Why do some people have sex without protection? With all the information about STDS and pregnancy in the world, you'd think people would be smarter, but many still do it. [/B]
This is the most virgin thing I've ever heard.
EVER.
Lust is pretty powerful. Generally, passion takes over your mind and displaces any thoughts about consequences. It's not untill after you're done do you think: "Oh ****, I should've wrapped it."
Pre-emptive thoughts are good, but they remove the passion from things.
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How do cells not feel? Cells are alive. Our skin, is made up of cells. When you get cut, that **** hurts like a bitch.
And meis is right, sometimes you don't think. And it just happens.
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I know that people sometimes don't think, but we live in a world where we don't have to live with the consequences of our actions. And even if protection fails, if you have sex, you must be ready to deal with the consequences.
And no, I'm not a virgin, and I've had a pregnancy scare myself, and me and my gf at the time decided that we'd keep the baby, even though we were only 18.
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
I know that people sometimes don't think, but we live in a world where we don't have to live with the consequences of our actions.
Exactly. Thats why it exists. If you're smart enough to say "I love this person and I would like to have sex with them but not without protection," and it fails, you shouldn't have to deal with the consequences. You make sex sound so bad. I would say the only time to deny an abortion is if their just freely ****ing anyone that comes their way. I dont know how they'd check for that, but they better make a way. But other than that, sex is a very personal thing to most that they save only for people they truly trust.
Im sure one of you assholes is gunna make a smartass meiscool-type comment about that, but I just dont GIVE A ****. ::)
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Originally posted by Midnight
How do cells not feel? Cells are alive. Our skin, is made up of cells. When you get cut, that **** hurts like a bitch.
BEEEEEEEEEP
Basic biology Mid. It's not our cells feeling pain, but our nerves. Arguably our nerves cells, but etc
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Yeah, pain's a system the body uses to tell the brain that you're damaged. If a thing doesn't have a brain, or if it doesn't have nerves, then it certainly won't feel pain.
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Originally posted by Razor
Originally posted by Midnight
How do cells not feel? Cells are alive. Our skin, is made up of cells. When you get cut, that **** hurts like a bitch.
BEEEEEEEEEP
Basic biology Mid. It's not our cells feeling pain, but our nerves. Arguably our nerves cells, but etc[/B]
You! Dun make me look bad! *glares*
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Originally posted by Revolution911
But other than that, sex is a very personal thing to most that they save only for people they truly trust.
Im sure one of you assholes is gunna make a smartass meiscool-type comment about that, but I just dont GIVE A ****. ::)
Awesomeness.
You hear that midnight!? I guess I truly trust you.
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Har har.. :p
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This is still alive? Seriously? Needs new topic subject.
Pubic hair, yay or nay?
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Midnight shaves her pubic hair.
But, I like it that way. Makes her look real sexy.
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Nah. Pubic hair is not a valid topic transition. Nay, sayeth gemini. Nay.
this topic does need to die.
Any more talk of pubes that arent mine gets a big ole LOCKEROO
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So uh....who here has shaved their balls?