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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Osmose on September 06, 2007, 12:16:11 AM

Title: Public Announcement: Charaman Account Taken Over
Post by: Osmose on September 06, 2007, 12:16:11 AM: Figured I'd make an announcement about it. Charaman's account was taken over recently by IPs matching Lord Raffles. After talking with Charaman about this we've banned the account.

After the eventually-in-a-few-years-soon-I-promise-server-move we'll have access to fix his password and give it back to him. In the meantime, anything he's said has been someone else talking as him, so don't hold it against the poor fella.
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 06, 2007, 12:18:35 AM: Hmmm... Yeah, that would make sense....
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Post by: Ben on September 06, 2007, 12:20:11 AM: good to know.
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Post by: Grandy on September 06, 2007, 12:31:16 AM: How long did that happen?
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Post by: The_Real_Charaman on September 06, 2007, 12:39:12 AM: No idea, I haven't been here forever. So how've you all been?
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Post by: Osmose on September 06, 2007, 12:39:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by The_Real_Charaman
No idea, I haven't been here forever. So how've you all been?

Please stand up.
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Post by: Bluhman on September 06, 2007, 12:40:49 AM: I'd imagine it had been going on since that... dude... mentioned the existence of some sort of Sanctuary. Check the junkbin.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on September 06, 2007, 12:48:51 AM: ...Duh?
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Post by: aboutasoandthis on September 06, 2007, 12:55:00 AM: Didn't Dragonium have the same IP address or something?
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Post by: Grandy on September 06, 2007, 01:08:39 AM: What proof do we have that you speak the truth?
Charaman stood for his beliefs, and the staff knew they needed to silence him, so they banned his account, making up this sorry excuse for doing so.
Hear the truth, fellow members, the staff is perpetuating more lies while we stand idle, and this is intolerable!
Let us revolt and free ourselves from the...

- pff, sorry guys, I just couldn't do that with a straight face.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on September 06, 2007, 01:15:18 AM: Good to know.
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Post by: Archem on September 06, 2007, 01:51:30 AM: It does explain the odd Raffles-related comments he's been tossing about lately...
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Post by: Zerlina on September 06, 2007, 03:08:50 AM: Did he guess your password? That sucks...
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Post by: Razor on September 06, 2007, 06:25:42 AM: Madness? You better believe it's madness.
Now to investigate if we can ban the IP Raffles used as Charaman.

There can't be that many proxies.
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Post by: Razor on September 06, 2007, 06:29:14 AM: Wait; forever? He's been puppeteering (apparently not a word; thank you Firefox 2.0 spellcheck!) your account for a long time now?

Woo, thank God for that. In the sense that you did not actually go insane. Still, shitsux.
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Post by: MrMister on September 06, 2007, 10:47:22 AM: you think you can successfully ban the best troll on da internet

WELL U CANT
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 06, 2007, 10:50:17 AM: 0_o

I didn't see that one coming. Nice to know, anyway. I think.
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Post by: Djanki on September 06, 2007, 01:26:42 PM: I checked out that topic that you guys were talking about. Yep, looks like someone hacked Charaman. I don't even know who Lord Raffles is, come to think of it...

...Well, whatever. Burn the witch!
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Post by: Dragonium on September 06, 2007, 01:45:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
Didn't Dragonium have the same IP address or something?

Sure, drop me in it, bizzatch.*

This sucks. It's also slightly unusual that Raffles has moved from his usual tactic of verbal warfare, up to outright hackery.

Everyone change your passwords, now.

* For the record though, I am Lord Raffles. Trolltrolltroll.
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Post by: coasterkrazy on September 06, 2007, 07:20:24 PM: Concerning how long ago it was, it was a while back. Since charaman stopped posting anyway.
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Post by: Razor on September 06, 2007, 08:08:13 PM: Of course, if Charaman had a TK account, he could have used the same password here and there.

In which case, if Raffles got his hand on that one, he could/would/obviously did try it here, and it worked.
A possibility.
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 06, 2007, 08:18:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dragonium
Everyone change your passwords, now.

But what about us new users? Surely Raffles has no clue who we are....
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 06, 2007, 08:49:39 PM: Must resist urge to log into Lucas's accounts on other forums...
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Post by: Rowan on September 06, 2007, 08:50:48 PM: I wonder how much Raffles is enjoying himself at 4chan
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Post by: A Forgotten Legend on September 06, 2007, 09:09:59 PM: Weee.... I like not being there for for the chaos he sent to Charas. ^^. *looks at password*
No one'll guess this!
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Post by: Osmose on September 06, 2007, 09:10:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dragonium
This sucks. It's also slightly unusual that Raffles has moved from his usual tactic of verbal warfare, up to outright hackery.

Everyone change your passwords, now.

Hackery? No. Password guessing? Probably.
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 06, 2007, 09:13:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by A Forgotten Legend
Weee.... I like not being there for for the chaos he sent to Charas. ^^.

But I wanted to be here for that, just to see how chaotic it truly was.
I mean, it can't have been that bad...
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Post by: Archem on September 06, 2007, 10:17:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lucas_irineu
No one can guess my password!! Hahaha!!! In most forums, i use 123456, but for chars i use another one. But I aint telling any more than this! ^^

It'z "654321"!! Lemme into ur accunt ploz!!
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Post by: SaiKar on September 06, 2007, 10:49:05 PM: Raffles can't hack Charas's system. As I so painfully went into detail during the Warxe trial, Charas's password security system is decent enough to the point where, if you can break into it, you probably have bigger fish to fry and wouldn't want to get on the board by breaking into something stupid like Charas.

I also highly double Raffles got Charaman's password from TK's forums. Many forum password encryption systems make it so even the people that own the boards can't break into them. I'm almost certain Charas is like that - Alex could change anyone's password if he wanted to, but he couldn't tell you what it is without changing it.

Trolls rely on lies and trickery for their fun, not computer skills. And people don't just mysteriously find other people's passwords for no reason. Draw your own conclusions from the situation; I've made mine.
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Post by: Ben on September 06, 2007, 10:51:04 PM: Yeah....If he was gonna hack accounts, Im sure there aqre more strategic accounts to hack. Password guessing can be easy with a bit of personal information
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 06, 2007, 11:02:01 PM: Okay, will someone please tell me what's up with the whole Raffles thing? I'd like to know what the hell happened when he was here the first time, since I can tell he's a bit of an arrogant jerk.

Seriously, what did he do that was so bad?
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Post by: Bluhman on September 06, 2007, 11:07:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Roland_Deschain
Okay, will someone please tell me what's up with the whole Raffles thing? I'd like to know what the hell happened when he was here the first time, since I can tell he's a bit of an arrogant jerk.

Seriously, what did he do that was so bad?

You know what they say; If you need instructions on how to get through the hotels, check out the Enclosed Instruction Book. (http://www.editthis.info/charas_project/Lord_Raffles)
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Post by: HackersTotalMassLaser on September 06, 2007, 11:12:46 PM: Nerd, who thinks has a life but spends countless hours on the internet trolling "nerdy" kids. Apparently, that's a high sign of success somehow.
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 06, 2007, 11:22:46 PM: Ah. So he's like my cousin was, before he tried out for track and finally GOT A LIFE. Huh. Well, I feel less stupid now. Thanks, Bluhman.
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Post by: Grandy on September 06, 2007, 11:28:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SaiKar
Raffles can't hack Charas's system. As I so painfully went into detail during the Warxe trial, Charas's password security system is decent enough to the point where, if you can break into it, you probably have bigger fish to fry and wouldn't want to get on the board by breaking into something stupid like Charas.

I also highly double Raffles got Charaman's password from TK's forums. Many forum password encryption systems make it so even the people that own the boards can't break into them. I'm almost certain Charas is like that - Alex could change anyone's password if he wanted to, but he couldn't tell you what it is without changing it.

Trolls rely on lies and trickery for their fun, not computer skills. And people don't just mysteriously find other people's passwords for no reason. Draw your own conclusions from the situation; I've made mine.

Yes, my conclusion is that you gave it to them when you were admin.

Yaaaaaaay for conspiracies!

Seriously, though, let's not staring making them up.

Roland, he was a jerk, basically, with a ego that could choke an elephant, but he was smart. Managed to convince most of the members that the staff was not trustworthy and that we should get rid of the mods and admins. I myself believed his words at the beginning, as I'm ashamed to admit, and I had some discussions, mostly with Darkfox who was the one who got madder at Raffles than anyone else. We then argued a lot in the forums and members leaved, everyone pretty much hated Raffles at this point, but he had an alibi: He hadn't broken any rules! Sure, he argued with Mods and Admins, but even so he never personally offended them, he also didn't no anything ban-worthy. So this continued by around three months or so, at which point DF disappeared for a while and later on said he had tried to commit suicide or something, I wasn't around at the time, but that seem it was it. Anyway, Raffles backed down at the beggining, but then started striking again. Then Alex, or Our Great Savior Alex the Harpist as I like to call him, returned riding a shining gold flying horse, while a chor of angels sung about his many battles in the far land of Italy, at any rate, he deemed Raffles was a great writter, but pretty much evil, and since he is the head of Charas he could ban Raffles without any excuse other than "Well, he was a jerk people." And there was much rejoicing, and from the deepest swamps to the highest mountains all the living beings were happy and danced. But the now-banned Raffles had revenge in his thoughts, and back in his hometown he hired some accomplices, and after the moon had diasppeared and reappeared three times he came back, disguised, and this time our great savior Alex wasn't here. However, now that Raffles had been already banned, his mere comeback was a crime, and as such the Admins had power to deal with him this time. And so he and his friends were defeated and sent back to the dark lands from where they came. But the legend goes that once in each blue moon, the Trolls regroup and make plans of once again destroying Charas.

....why, yes, I let myself go after that part where Alex came back, so?
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Post by: SaiKar on September 06, 2007, 11:32:03 PM: http://editthis.info/charas_project/Lord_Raffles has the gist of it. The key here isn't so much what he did but how long he did it for: December 1st 2004 and August 1st 2005. That's a pretty long time and lots of people got frusterated with the site and left during that period.

He's made a few halfhearted attempts to come around since then, particularly during the Troll Invasion (http://editthis.info/charas_project/History_of_Charas#Troll_Invasion_and_Sanctuary_Fortress), but mostly he's an idiot. He quickly starts ranting about Hitler or moderator opression, gets IP scanned, found to be a Raffles login, and banned. If he wasn't such a retard he'd be a little more subtle at the beginning and slip under the radar, but thankfully he's not.

Edit: I loved writing that history article, but Warxe's chop-shop edits made me cry too much to continue to the present.
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Post by: The_Real_Charaman on September 07, 2007, 01:46:32 AM: My password was judeon. my first name and the first 2 letters of my last name. Laugh if you want. Raffles knew my name from our personal conversations. Laugh if you want.

Well then. Don't worry. The guys a lucky dumbass, not a hacker.
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Post by: WarxePB on September 07, 2007, 01:51:40 AM: And, of course, we can't forget:
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Post by: Archem on September 07, 2007, 01:57:06 AM: Forget the what now? :p
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on September 07, 2007, 02:45:38 AM: Don't feel bad. My password is yetipie. It's the first name of my dog and the last three letters is my favorite flavor of anything.
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Post by: Daetyrnis on September 07, 2007, 02:57:38 AM: This is why you choose a completely random word for your password, capitalize a few of the letters and add some symbols somewhere. Not only can someone not guess your password from learning things about you, even if they knew the word, it would still be difficult to "hack".

Such as _bi[]GRAphy. Even if I said my password was "biography", it wouldn't help you a whole lot.
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Post by: Ben on September 07, 2007, 03:13:46 AM: my password is vulva
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Post by: HackersTotalMassLaser on September 07, 2007, 03:21:30 AM: i use numbers and letters combined now adays, and a few of them with € where it lets me.

I did use however those kinds of passwords, actually I still do, but they're all scrambled in the intarweb in other accounts, which usernames have never been mentioned.

My oldest password however was meteor, and my first here in charas.

OMG INFORMATION THAT CAN BE USED AGAINST ME
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Post by: Daetyrnis on September 07, 2007, 03:27:44 AM: Ha, my first password was so simple to find out. It was my student ID number from school.
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Post by: Roland_Deschain on September 07, 2007, 06:00:50 PM: My password has a VERY distant connection with my name (real, not screen) that only people who know both my real name and ME outside of the interweb will be able to guess. I love using obscure passwords!
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Post by: coasterkrazy on September 07, 2007, 06:49:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by The_Real_Charaman
My password was judeon. my first name and the first 2 letters of my last name. Laugh if you want. Raffles knew my name from our personal conversations. Laugh if you want.

Well then. Don't worry. The guys a lucky dumbass, not a hacker.

I can attest to this. Also, in his defense in case of any accusations, I'd like to say I let him use my account so he could read the thread in the Sanctuary after I brought it up to him. Funny how things work out that way. Gemini moved it from AoA because of its topic, but charaman could then no longer see it and find out if he were to come back.
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Post by: Ben on September 07, 2007, 10:43:53 PM: Id have held off on that thar move had I known the truth at said time. Sorry Charaman...
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Post by: Archem on September 07, 2007, 10:46:49 PM: My password is and always has been consisting of letters that don't and can't spell a word. Except if you use just the letters "a" or "i", as they can spell "a" or "I".

Figger that one out, B-Cheeses!!
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Post by: Razor on September 08, 2007, 01:02:18 AM: Oh yes, let us all openly and loudly discuss our passwords in All of All. :|

Anyway, I changed my password yesterday. I decided my previous one was WAY too obvious, so now I've gone for something personal and unguessable.
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Post by: Archem on September 08, 2007, 02:39:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Razor
Oh yes, let us all openly and loudly discuss our passwords in All of All. :|

'Tis a brilliant plan, no?
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Post by: Grandy on September 08, 2007, 03:02:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Razor
Oh yes, let us all openly and loudly discuss our passwords in All of All. :|

Anyway, I changed my password yesterday. I decided my previous one was WAY too obvious, so now I've gone for something personal and unguessable.

So, what was your old one?
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Post by: coasterkrazy on September 08, 2007, 03:53:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by gemini
Id have held off on that thar move had I known the truth at said time. Sorry Charaman...

Nah, it's not your fault. I should've said I had known it was Raffles. Charaman told me how he was leaving Charas and only possibly posting very occassionally, so when I saw the account being used I figured something was up. Then when I saw the posts I was pretty much sure of it, but I couldn't be completely sure, so I just made a post agreeing with ZKX's humorously expressed apathetic viewpoint (which I still have to say I largely agree with). Once I told charaman, Osmose had already decided to talk to him.

But that's all done and over with now. Just showing how overall, I should've acted in charaman's defense immediately and tried to help clear things up earlier.