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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Cosmos on November 06, 2007, 06:54:43 PM
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So I'm doing an essay in call about how the n and b word in hip hop can affect the community. Now, my question is do you think music can have a massive affect like that on us ppl?
And no this ain't a bash hip hop topic. You can even pick rock or pop or whatever to talk about so please leave the "HIP HOP AIN'T MUSIC IT'S NOISE!!" signs at home. Thank you.
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To be honest, the N word isn't really big around here, but 'B' is for sure.
Not sure how It would relate to hip-hop, but at least it's confirmed it is around. :D
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Popular music will always have an effect on the masses. Some people will always take it further than others.
For example, I listen to a LOT of punk music, the sex pistols, the clash, the ramones, etc, but I do not dress punk (as in the chains, the spikes, etc) but I know people who listen to good charlotte and do dress that way.
The same occurs for rap. When you see people dressed 'gangsta' it's an effect of the music. Those people will often use the n and b words to show how 'gangsta' they are, even though they are degrading words.
I think that rap is a great form of music, but like any form of popular music, once the music industry gets ahold of it, they ruin it. That's why we have rappers that sing about money, drugs and sex, when rap used to carry a lot of weight, especially pointing out the problems black people face.
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Originally posted by Shady Ultima
I think that rap is a great form of music, but like any form of popular music, once the music industry gets ahold of it, they ruin it. That's why we have rappers that sing about money, drugs and sex, when rap used to carry a lot of weight, especially pointing out the problems black people face.
TuPac! He's alive somewhere!!! And his lyrics speak the truth!
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A lot of people try to imitate people/things they think is cool, so naturally 'some' people will imitate the stereotypes from their favorite music type. Music however is only one small part of the issue.
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Goddamn ****** bitch. Always trying to get in the way o' my profitable beezneez. Goddamn y'all.
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Did I hear someone say they actually listen to the Sex Pistols?
If it's true that music influences people, I pray for your soul.
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Sex Pistols were a bunch of whiny snots. Aside from Anarchy in the UK, there's what, 1 other song I actually care to listen to? Just listen to the Dead Kennedys. They're Sex Pistols but they don't suck and have a purpose.
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If the sex pistols were a gun, they'd be those girly 5 inch revolvers that women pack inside their purse.
Even if they influenced this and that and yatta yatta yatta, it doesn't mean I have to like them, yo.
ANYWAY NIGGAZ, BACK 2 MAH FILOSOFEE UV MUZIK.
No music doesnt affect me directly unless I let it. People are stupid enough to a) follow w/e the crowd likes and b) take the music as a philosophy on life.
These kids are stupid. All of them. They're not some chosen few. These kids are ****ing morons. From 1st grade to college. And as ****ing morons, they cant think for themselves and be creative. Little shits in 5th grade act like they're grown BECAUSE of music. 10th graders spend thousands of dollars on sneakers and cars BECAUSE of music. They took they're first drug because of music. They drank because of music. They probably had sex because of music, seeing as losing your virginity is some right to passage these days. And then the other kid did it because his best buddy was doing it.
We're all morons. We let ourselves become attached to these ideas portrayed in videos. We become emos because green day and simple plan showed us this new gospel of how horrible our parents were. We became metalheads because Killswitch Engage made it cool to be angry. We became hip-hop because ****ing bitches and sippin on bub is what all the rappers were doing. We're stupid kids.
Its not hard to stay true to yourself and not follow a crowd, but alot of people dont. Why? Because too many people havent, and they dont want to be left out. If you're smart enough to be yourself, cool. You can come to my chirstmas party.
As for hip-hop, **** what its become. There are very few mainstream rappers that express the genres true nature. Hip hop is supposed to be a kid in the street with a can of spraypaint next to his cardboard box that he's breakin' on. Its become a gun packing black dude who fucks whatever moves, drives a big car with a loud bass DESPITE THE FACT IT SOUNDS LIKE ****, and drinks whatever Biggie said was cool.
tl;dr. Yes it affects us because we're all stupid and crave to be a part of something. Hip-hop isnt the same and probably never will be .
lol n and b word. We should be above words at this point. If you let it affect you, thats on you. Its nothing more than a noun.
MID, YOU CAN BE MY BLACK KATE MOSS TONIGHT.
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Goddamn I miss you Rev.
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I want to shoot every teenager/person in their 20s who is dressed like a gangsta. Baggy pants, lame t-shirt you spent unnecessary amounts on, attitude at ANYONE who looks at them; THESE PEOPLE ARE STAINS ON SOCIETY.
Hiphop made these people, ergo it is on topic and relevant to discussion.
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Originally posted by Razor
I want to shoot every teenager/person in their 20s who is dressed like a gangsta. Baggy pants, lame t-shirt you spent unnecessary amounts on, attitude at ANYONE who looks at them; THESE PEOPLE ARE STAINS ON SOCIETY.
Hiphop made these people, ergo it is on topic and relevant to discussion.
These guys are a penny a dozen here in Puerto Rico, no thanks to 'idols' like Daddy 'Dumbass' Yankee and Don 'Doodoo' Omar.
Even kids go around in cornrows, do-rags, and baggy pants, with 'Scarface' shirts.
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Originally posted by Razor
I want to shoot every teenager/person in their 20s who is dressed like a gangsta. Baggy pants, lame t-shirt you spent unnecessary amounts on, attitude at ANYONE who looks at them; THESE PEOPLE ARE STAINS ON SOCIETY.
Hiphop made these people, ergo it is on topic and relevant to discussion.
I recent that. My t-shirts are not lame. My "GAmEFREAK" shirt is awesome.
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No, no, not your gamefreak t-shirt.
But labels like Dada or that number 7 etc etc.
You just look like a conformist moron instead of a hxc gangsta.
(no, not you, Kijuki.)
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The problem is, that what hip-hop once was, and the way the N word was used in that context has been hijacked and raped and gave birth to what exists today. "Nigga" used to be a declaration of identity and rebellion against racist system by warping the meaning and intention of the word it spawned. It is now a meaningless epithet added to every other sentence used in order to try to bring relevance to meaningless, bland music that is nothing more than narcissistic braggadocio aimed to make money which the rapper/"artist" can write trite rhymes about in the future.
That is not to say that hip-hop is dead. Saul Williams, a spoken word artist, writer, actor, and rapper just released an album which deals with this very issue entitled, "The Enevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust." It is an album about a black artist's struggle to abandon the stereotypes which he simultaneously embraces in his life. THis album uses the N word profusely, and is a commentary on its multiple meanings and uses in our society.
Sorry for that commercial.
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No, it doesn't offend me.
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Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Sex Pistols were a bunch of whiny snots. Aside from Anarchy in the UK, there's what, 1 other song I actually care to listen to? Just listen to the Dead Kennedys. They're Sex Pistols but they don't suck and have a purpose.
To be honest, I like the Sex Pistols better then the Dead Kennedys. I think Dk are terrible, and I don't like any of their stuff. Sex Pistols have a lot of songs I like, with God Save the Queen and Streets of London being my faves.
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Originally posted by Razor
No, no, not your gamefreak t-shirt.
But labels like Dada or that number 7 etc etc.
You just look like a conformist moron instead of a hxc gangsta.
(no, not you, Kijuki.)
Tch, conformists.
Either way, I wear baggy things not to appear gansta or anything hip-hop related. It just the way I feel comfortable dressing, and cause it's the way I been dressing since forever, and hip-hop music never stirred me into dressing that way or not dressing that way. The way i dress is not based on any hip-hop artist, but based on my tastes.
Alot of people I've known in my life and that have gotten to know me, know that, outside the baggy exterior there's just a ravaging gaming geek interior. And I've always been open about it, i've never given myself a gansta title. And when people like to ask me about hip-hop things like "hey have you heard of X song made by X artist." I draw a blank most of the times. So hip-hop has never really affect me personally in any way. Sure I've always hanged around people who are gangsters wanna-bes, but they've always known who I was.
As how hip-hop itself affects society; it obvious it does. It's stupid to try and deny a significant impact. Not just on how people dress, but as well as how they act and talk and how they even ride a car. If you go to the bad sights of Cali you'll see mini 50 cents vs mini Daddy Yankees. And that's all the music you'll hear. The impact doesn't have to be negative, but it mostly seems that way. It has gotten to make a stereotype, and that's how big an impact gets. If not Razor's example post is present.
So yeah I've been stereotyped all my life, but I've never given a damn, so it hasn't really affected me.
I think that the n word needs to deleted from society, but it's a bad spawn. It's a curse word. So, like that gonna happen. And I have no idea what the b word is. if it's B!tCh, then that word has always been a problem, not just on the hip-hop culture. But like I said, it's a curse word. A lot of people love to curse, and sadly you can't change the words people have loved to grow up with. And there's people that will die for not giving up these words. Sure expression blah blah. I heard it from about 20 people, and SADLY Eminem says exactly the same. But that has always been in any type of culture not just hip-hop. And trying to get rid of any part of a culture is extremely difficult and might just get worst.
But that's just a biased opinion.
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I tend to avoid hip-hop and rap completely, mostly because of most of it sucking, from what I've heard. On very rare occasion (Samurai Champloo comes to mind >.> ) I find a rap/hip-hop song I can stand.
VERY RARE OCCASION.
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It's not awful, or even bad... just boring.
And I'm not sure it's hiphop and rap affecting the kids. More like other things affecting the kids who then listen to the stuff as part of their conformist lifestyle.