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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: rm2k3_rulez on May 11, 2008, 09:27:22 PM
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Ok here we talk about anything and everything about final fantasy.
This might be:
Favorite Version:
Favorite Character:
Favorite Spell or Summon:
or anything else.
My Favorite Version:Final Fantasy 7
My Favorite Character:Cloud Strife (Cant you tell with my humungous signature lol)
My Favorite Summon:Eden off of Final Fantasy 8
I liked how on Final Fantasy 7 you use materia and stuff. You reall had to wrk hard to get all those spells learned. Which goes along with being one of the most challenging final fantasy games. Which I like challenges.
One Thing:
Dont Stop Smiling!
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Read your Inbox.
Get rid of the massive signature.
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This is like a dream i've always had.
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It has been a while since we last had an topic this carefree.
Touché!
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Favorite Version: Final Fantasy Tactics
Favorite Character: Delita
Favorite Spell or Summon: Mateus (Final Fantasy XII)
Final Fantasy Tactics had the best story. You could easily make a bestselling book out of this game's script. It's even better now that it has a new translation.
Smile peoples. ::)
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Yeah!!Tactics rocks!!
Me?
Favorite character:Baltier
Favorite Game:FF12 and ff1
Favorite spell or summon:Ifrit ff10
Favorite weapon:the gunblade
By the way what does any think of this idea
You have the basic ff1 game but instead of the original classes you have all the finial fatasy
classes.
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my favorite weapon would have to be teh Buster Sword. And lets have a little vote shall we? we vote on our favorite final fantasy game out of the Choosings. This round'll be on FF8 FF7 FF12 FF1 and FF2 Vote on your favorite one. Rules can only vote one time on one game. My favorite out of these is FF7 so......On with the voting.
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I vote FF12.
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Ok so far here are the results. The voting is not over yet though.......
FF1 FF2 FF7 FF8 FF12
0 0 1 0 1
There is a tie between FF12 and FF7. Will someone break the tie? Or will it end up in a 3 way tie? Who knows.................
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Come on pepole Vote FF12 it had the best battle system!
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Originally posted by Fisherson
Come on pepole Vote FF12 it had the best battle system!
No offense but you my friend are way out of your mind's healthy ways if you think that.
Final fnatasy XII is the worst final fantasy released. It was simply FFXI but not online.
It totally slaughtered everything that Final fnatasy stood for and made it into a total mindless and dumb game where you simply put gambits and the characters could clear the entire gameŽon thier own.
Final fantasy XII is a disgrace in every way to the series.
Magics doesn't have their original names, lots of spells are removes, most summons are gone and that sorry excuse for a battle system.
75% of the game is running through ****ing plains and deserts! Final fantasy should be dungeons! The closest thing to a dungeon you get is that cave with the dragon, the draklor laberatory and the rhidorana cataract! All that sucked and was so boring that I barely went back to finsih those hunts.
And what else? The bosses! Oh **** those bosse. Finaf ****ing fantasy xii got the worst ****ing bosses ever. You fight a dragon, now you fight another dragon, here comes a golem thingy, and there's a esper, and now it's a judge.
95% of the bosses in FFXII didn't even have something to do with the storyline, they were random strong monsters. You know what that is?
LAME!
Members here on charas understand that bosses needs to have something to do with the game. Sai Kar even wrote that in her "boss guide and tips" in the tutorial section.
We know that random bosses are not the way to go; sure we accept them for the heck of it in the old games but you gotta have them somewhat logical.
How fun is it to fight 2 dragons in a row? One in a cave that does some sweet damage. And then when you get out of that cave and watch the cutscenes, head through the forest there is another one.
Same model and everything! Differnece? It is covered in moss instead and can use some mass-bad breath spell.
What else? Final fantasy XII killed everything that is called character development and storyline.
None of it exists in FF XII, it's the most boring RPG I've ever played.
Seriously, FF 1,2,3 had more story than FFXII.
Everything about FFXII is stupid. WHO THE ****!? puts a goddamned dungeon with 100 floors near the end of the game for the heck of it?
Final fantasy is so boring and lame that I'm the only one out of 5 hardcore Final fantasy players that even bothered clearing the game.
And how did I do that?
Assigned my gambits at the beginning of the last battle.
Got bored, went downstairs and made food.
Came back 5min later and the boss was still alive....
Then he died after 5min or so.
Final fantasy XII is worse than FFI it is worse than friggin FFX-2! At least X-2 had a good battle system and not some MMORPG piece of crap that should be thrown into a friggin fire.
Oh right, I'll vote FFIX, it had everything a game need. Long story(it even have a story unlike FFXII l'e gasp!), good characters, fun bosses, well-thought dungeons and some real gameplay that kept you entertained.
Down with FFXII and slap Square for that piece of ****
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Polls so far..................
FF1:0
FF2:0
FF7:1
FF8:0
FF9:1 (even though that wasnt in the group on this vote but now it is)
FF12:1 ( I do agree this game took me a friggen month to beat it and for what? A friggen crappy ending I have to agree with prple mage on everything he said.)
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Im voting for FFX-2
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I like FF6 (US3) the most.
best storyline IMO, and definitely best boss fight.
espers were new at that point, pretty cool.
favorite character has to be Sabin or Shadow.
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Favorite Version: FF5
Favorite Character: Vivi
Favorite Summon: Shiva all the way baby.
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Polls so far....again lol......
FF1:0
FF2:0
FF5:1
FF6:1
FF7:1
FF8:0
FF9:1
FFX-2:1
FF12:1
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[Final fnatasy XII is the worst final fantasy released. It was simply FFXI but not online.
It totally slaughtered everything that Final fnatasy stood for and made it into a total mindless and dumb game where you simply put gambits and the characters could clear the entire gameŽon thier own.
I]Originally posted by Prpl_Mage[/I]
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Final fnatasy XII is the worst final fantasy released. It was simply FFXI but not online.
It totally slaughtered everything that Final fnatasy stood for and made it into a total mindless and dumb game where you simply put gambits and the characters could clear the entire gameŽon thier own.
You know prpl mage if you don't want the characters to do stuff without you
do turn them ON or set them to healer mode with Cure,Stona and Vox
or if you want a real chalange try playing the whole game with just Vaan in
your party.
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Originally posted by Fisherson
or if you want a real chalange try playing the whole game with just Vaan in
your party.
Yeah, that's the only way to perhaps have some fun with the game and get some chalenge.
There is no other way(except no license board, oh forgot that. The licence board sucked as well)
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Favourite Version: Final Fantasy VIII (8).
Favourite Character: Irvine (FFVIII) or Auron (FFX). I must admit although FFX was kinda middle-of-the-road, Auron's storyline was pretty awesome.
Favourite Spell or Summon: Alexander from FFVIII was pretty awesome. Also Bahamut (FFX).
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Okay Prpl_Mage we all know you hate FFXII, so it's time to argue again. :D
Final fnatasy XII is the worst final fantasy released. It was simply FFXI but not online.
This is a bad idea?
It totally slaughtered everything that Final fnatasy stood for and made it into a total mindless and dumb game where you simply put gambits and the characters could clear the entire gameŽon thier own.
What exactly does Final Fantasy stand for? Even Hironobu Sakaguchi liked it, and even said in an interview that he tried to make the exact same game with FFI. If the game is so bad, why did it get a Famitsu 40/40, and a 92 average on Metacritic?
Final fantasy XII is a disgrace in every way to the series...
Everything in the game that isnt a safe zone (town) is called a dungeon in game design terms. The game was modeled after western dungeon crawlers which do the exact same thing. Everything else you put here is just nitpicking.
And what else? The bosses! Oh **** those bosse. Finaf ******* fantasy xii got the worst ******* bosses ever...
I'll give you this. FFXII's boss fights felt really out of place. A lot of modern JRPGs do this though. Play Lost Odyssey. It happens left and right.
At least they were pretty and fun to play.
What else? Final fantasy XII killed everything that is called character development and storyline...
The game had plenty. You didn't pay attention.
Final fantasy is so boring and lame that I'm the only one out of 5 hardcore Final fantasy players that even bothered clearing the game.
Game Designers really don't like their hardcore fans. It holds them back from innovation. Role-playing games need to evolve, JRPGs especially.
Gambit yapping...
You have to tell me how you did this. Even after reading gambit guides I would still get my *** kicked if I didn't at least watch the screen.
I know every complaint about FFXII because that's what my game is based off of.
-A less character driven story.
-Relentless slaughter of monsters
-Boss design
-Gambit system with no consequences
-Statistic development
These are all comepletely fixable and I wish Squenix would try the game again. Unfortunately they're listening to you people. You'll have your ATB system and your Anime style back when XIII comes out.
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Originally posted by Prpl_Mage
Sai Kar even wrote that in her "boss guide and tips" in the tutorial section.
:o
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I just hated Vaan. I just couldn't bring myself to like him. In fact, all of the characters were pretty crappy. I didn't really feel any urge to win the game at all... maybe something interesting would've happened if the good guys had failed.
Add to that the completely awful final battle and it erases most of the good points in the game. There definately were good bits, I remember enjoying it... But the characters and the anticlimaticness let it down loads.
I'm not expecting them to make a good FF again anyway... All the original team has left.
FF6, FF7 and FF8 is the period I remember fondest. FF7 gets my vote.
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
Okay Prpl_Mage we all know you hate FFXII, so it's time to argue again. :D
Final fnatasy XII is the worst final fantasy released. It was simply FFXI but not online.
This is a bad idea?
It totally slaughtered everything that Final fnatasy stood for and made it into a total mindless and dumb game where you simply put gambits and the characters could clear the entire gameŽon thier own.
What exactly does Final Fantasy stand for? Even Hironobu Sakaguchi liked it, and even said in an interview that he tried to make the exact same game with FFI. If the game is so bad, why did it get a Famitsu 40/40, and a 92 average on Metacritic?
Final fantasy XII is a disgrace in every way to the series...
Everything in the game that isnt a safe zone (town) is called a dungeon in game design terms. The game was modeled after western dungeon crawlers which do the exact same thing. Everything else you put here is just nitpicking.
And what else? The bosses! Oh **** those bosse. Finaf ******* fantasy xii got the worst ******* bosses ever...
I'll give you this. FFXII's boss fights felt really out of place. A lot of modern JRPGs do this though. Play Lost Odyssey. It happens left and right.
At least they were pretty and fun to play.
What else? Final fantasy XII killed everything that is called character development and storyline...
The game had plenty. You didn't pay attention.
Final fantasy is so boring and lame that I'm the only one out of 5 hardcore Final fantasy players that even bothered clearing the game.
Game Designers really don't like their hardcore fans. It holds them back from innovation. Role-playing games need to evolve, JRPGs especially.
Gambit yapping...
You have to tell me how you did this. Even after reading gambit guides I would still get my *** kicked if I didn't at least watch the screen.
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Here we go, anti-arguing.
1. Yes, it is a bad idea. The battle system works where you actually cooperate with other players and the world itself are just huge mountain trails, swamps and plains without anything that ties it down to the originality that the previous games actually had.
Large reality-like areas without anything special in them works. When there are a lot of quests to do in the area. FFXII simply had the mosnter hunt.
2. The fact that he liked it is becasue artists like himself could never live to release a failure.
And the ratings mostly comes from the popularity of the series, they know that the readers will be upset if their favourite game get's a bad rating.
That and the graphics, they think that the graphics are good(only thing I really can't argue with) that they put a high rating.
3. Of course it is a disgrace, the game is nothing like it's predecessors, it could just as well been known as "Imperial wars" or "streetkid and princess on a picnic". The only thing that tied it to final fantasy was the reoccuring monsters, the FFTA races and some names. There was no Cactuars in the game, instead there were some fugly **** called cactoids.
And yes, I miss the dungeons. I was mindlessly walking around on plains 80% of the games trying to get from one point to the other for absolutely nothing to happen....
4. Thank you for your understanding.
The main problem I had with it was the fact that most bosses in the game was actually just size and skin-swap on the game's ordinary monsters. The dragons in the cave and the forest, that thing in the temple, the firehorse in the sewers, the golem in the rhidorana cataract. Just random and really lame.
5. It didn't. Vaan's personality is barely moved from 0.1 to 0.5 during the game. The covnerstions was simply out of place. The only thing that seemed to be the cause of a personality would eb when Vaan asked Fran's age.
Ashe? Nothing happens, not a single **** that wasn't expected since the beginning of the game. Not even after that thing with the gods in Giruvegan.
Balthier; O, I'm a sky pirate looking for shinies... No I'm tagging along to see to it that the princess doesn't abuse the power like my father did... And then I put him out of his misery.
Fran. Just no, nothing happens with her except that part with the forest, and the fact that she is randomly driven into a berserk on the ship... I never saw Venat there...
Basch... Oh Basch... He is the coolest character in the game since he actually says something smart from time to time. Just too bad that it isn't much compared to the others.
Don't let me get started on the rest though.
Character development in the game on a scale of 1 to 10? 1 maybe 2.
There was barely any conversations and they all seemed out of place, like that one at the beach.
And I stick to my previous comment elsewhere where I said that anyone could've gotten together with anyone at the end. Vaan showed just as much affection to her highness as Basch and Balthier
The story then?
It's really lame... It's all:
I', Vaan and bored out of my mind. I hate arcadians 'cuz they killed my brother.
I want to play Robin Hood and steal from the castle. Oh mister indie-guy, do I need a sun stone?
So Vaan goes to the desert and runs around and light some sun stones to charge his sun stone. Now you are ready for the castle and the annoying voice of Vaan saying "hey bucket head!"
You sneak your way past and finds the treasury, oddly enough finds a piece of nethercite that two sky pirates want. So they grab it and the arcadians blows part of the castle up since they knew that the rebellion should attack.
You fall down into the sewers and make your way back but finds the cornered princess on the way.
You get your team together and fights a boss battle... Against? 4 flans.
You keep going and reach the exit... What's there? A burning horse! The arcadians appear after you defeat the horse and you are sent to prison.
While going there Balthier gives Penello a hankie so that she won't cry for Vaan's missing.
You try to defend this guy in prison but gets some help from Balthier and then a judge master appears and gives a band of mercenaries a can of woopass for meddling with things beyond their rights. You then make your way after the judge master and finds Basch in a cage. He was frammed for the murder of the king and Reks(Vaan's bro) by his twin brother!
So Vaan hates him and bash the cage, the guards come running but Balthier lowers the cage into the dungeon. Vaan gives Basch a beating but then you have to fight your way through an old mine filled with mimics.
At the end you fight the mimic queen and exits in the desert. Balthier and his gal' heads back to take his airship whil Basch wants to sort somthings out.
You head bakc to find that Penello was kidnapped because the bounty hunters thought that she was Balthier's friend.
You go to Bujerba to find her and party up with a guy I thought was a girl to begin with... You head down into the mine and finds out about Bujerba's currect position in the war.
You head deeper and the kid finds some magecite really interesting. While at it ther bounty hunters appear and you run all the way back. The Arcadians are wating outise and it is revealed that the kid is Larsa, some arcadian noble. He takes Penello with him.
You now have to run around as Vaan and stand "Hey! Basch lives" and "I'm captain Basch von Rosenberg!"
And after that? barely anything. Most of my friends gave up at this point.
6. Aye perhaps but they had nothing against FFX, and most of them have done speedruns and one cahracter runs as well as a couple of "No sphere grids" and such just to be able to enjoy the games again. I was the only one who completed FFXII it was a waste of time and I'm only gonna play it if someone challenges me on a bet or pays me.
And yes, RPG's need to evolve. But not into MMORPG-offline. It's just stupid, don't kill final fantasy, leave it to die in that case. Name the game "Omega warriors" or something and create a new series, one that includes crappy MMORPG based RPGs.
7. The gambits wasn't hard. I had gambits for protect, sheel, bubble and all those boosting spells. Had crossed the licence board with every character about halfway through the game(thanks to that accesory), and Vaan was simply using bravery, haste and berserk on himseld(and a lot of other stufff as well). So one of my characters was simply healing and the thid one was using scourge( I think) over and over unless people needed healing.
I went down, grabbed my sandwich and the boss was charging his Terra-thingy, my characters where at 9999(but higher with the Bubble I think) and the attack did like 4-7k I think.
The healer used Curaja and everyone was fit to go again. I sat there and ate my sandwich. The boss kept spamming me with piercing Holy but the damage was pathetic.
The only time I actually did something was when he switched so he couldn't be damaged by ordinary attacks. I went into Vaan's gambits and repalced the Berserk with "Black shades".
And I thought that Venat would at least escape and start his grand plan at the end of that battle. That the game was finally starting. Imagine my dissapointment when that long AMV started to play.
To end this. You can continue to like FFXII, it might be because of the story but seriously. Hereos of Mana had a better "political storyline" than this game. it would've been better of with the cheesy "love story" at least there would've been a story.
I don't like FFXII, it's the most boring RPG I've played. Rm games made with the makers battle system even appeals to me more than FF Offline.
And I'm done here
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I got stuck in the tunnel thing. =/ I still haven't tried to get farther.
Anyway... I liked FFX. The storyline was very interesting. It involved every person in the world. I mean, how many games have a religion that is the main cause of their suffering! I haven't beaten it yet, but I i know what happens (damn you auganauf99 for showing me the last bit of the game!!!!!!!)
My favorite character has got to be Vivi. Only because I used Doomsday with (her...?) the first time I played it and Doomsday is awesome.
Summon wise I like Ixion. dunno why, just do.
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FF12 is too cool for you. Your wall of text doesn't change the fact that FF12 was a great game that took some risks and was better for it. FF11 offline? Hardly(Have you even played? I wasted two months on that game [Looking at you, Sai]). Nothing but hunts? Check the billboards or, heaven forbid, talk to people.
If you really want, we can get a team to hack FF12 and have everyone stand in rows and fight, change Scourge to FIR4, and remove the lush landscapes and replace them with uninteresting cookie cutter dungeons (Ice, Fire, Cave, Castle, Sky, etc). Perhaps that would be more to your liking?
Also, Sai has a penis, FYI.
Oh yes,
I mean, how many games have a religion that is the main cause of their suffering!
FFT, best game evar. Also Tales of Symphonia and Morrowind.
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Favorite Version: Duuuuh, I dddddddunnno.
Favorite Character: I like Zidane, Auron, Ramza and Gogo.
Favorite Spell or Summon: Alexander, but I never use Summons unless I'm playing IV, in which I use Bahamut only.
There are too many great aspects to this game series, it honestly has to be my favorite, been playing them since us3 (VI) all the way back in 1995 or so. I'm all set for both Final Fantasy XIII/Versus.
Now, someone bring something else up about Final Fantasy for me to debate.
Also, Breath of Fire 2 involves an evil religion. Not an unheard of plot hook.
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As I see we're kinda in a debate between whether or not Final Fantasy 12 is a decent game so for now, I've just stopped taking votes but I'll now let anyone give a reason to why or why not Final Fantasy 12 is a good game or not. You have to give a reason though or it wont be counted as a vote. The votes will now be tallyed up to whether or not FF12 is a good game or not, so start voting Example Below
My Oppinion:
I think the game sux. It ruins the Final Fantasy fighting style I mean how realistic is pressing triangle or whatever then freezes the game choose your command then wait for the flippin' bar to load just to land the attack. And get this it friken repeats the action unless you cancle it which makes it annoying as He11. So my vote is FF12 is not a good game my reason it ruined the battle system.
Polls so far starting now:
Good Game: 0
Bad Game: 1
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1. So what you're saying is
- Make the Dungeons wackier?
- Add More Quests?
Both Fixable.
2. Lost Odyssey is getting bad ratings, and in my personal opinion it's disappointing. From your argument it's the true successor to FFX and the FF series, and yet it still sucks. This is the game that Sakaguchi left Square for, pulled most of the prominents team members away for, asked the Shadow Hearts team to design the gameplay, hired a professional novelist to write it, and hired a respected comic book artist to design the characters, and yet is still sucked. Why did he release this game based on your argument?
3. Dude, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Square calls the shots, not an outside-of-nation fanboy. All a Final Fantasy game needs to be a Final Fantasy game is a Chocobo. The game actually had a lot of FF references. Most of them were the boss fights. All they really needed was a bigger fix on the storyline.
4. They had to do this to use the new battle system in the first place. Way back when they were designing your precious X, they wanted the characters and enemies to move around the field with no battle screens. They've been trying to get FFXII's system down for a long time.
They couldn't do this because they had too many enemies with different animations in the game. That's why they used the turn based combat. They tried it again in FFXI and FFX-2. In X-2, they managed to get everyone moving around the field in the battle screen, and they created a prototype of XII with that Gunner's Guantlet minigame and XI.
5. I'm reading a book on writing novels right now, and it says that a character just has to change from his initial personality to his opposite.
Vaan Beginning: I'm a whiny kid who thinks he can do whatever he wants.
Vaan Ending: There are things out there in the world that are greater than I am.
Ashe Beginning: Everything in the world is either good or evil. The empire's wrong, I am right.
Ashe Ending: Nothing can be categorized that way. I understand the empire's intentions.
Balthier Beginning: I can live wherever I want and do what I damn well please. I can even change my name.
Balthier Ending: I can't run from my problems forever. I have to face them and deal with them, even if it means losing something.
I'll give you Fran, Basch, and Penelo, but they acted like real people which NEVER happens in JRPs. Plus Al Cid, Cidolfus, Gabaranth, Larsa, and Vossler kick ***.
The story is slow and full of filler, I'll admit it. It makes up for this by being and actual STORY and not a corny videogame/anime story. Look at X.
-My name's Tidus. I'm a rich celebrity athlete whose still in high school.
-I sleep with a lot of women, but I'm actually sad because my dad yelled at me.
-There's this cool Asian dude who folllows me around. I don't know why he's friends with my dad though.
-A whale destroys my hometown.
-I wake up in an ancient temple. This really nice girl saved me.
-I WOKE UP 1000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?!?!
-This Jamaican dude saves me. They have Blitzball!
-I walking around to- THAT GIRL IS HOT!
-So she's this really important Summoner girl. Cool
-Her dad is famous. I wonder where he is.
-I can tag along, cool.
-Hey, its that Rikku girl again. I wonder why people hate her.
-That Seymour dude is creepy.
-Hey it's Auron.
-People need to be danced to, otherwise they'll be zombies.
-YUNA'S GOING TO DIE?!?!
-Let's finish the rest of the game. We'll figure something out.
-Seymour hates me, and wants to marry Yuna.
-We rescue her!
-The race of people who use machines decide to help us.
-Yuna is secretly part of this race of people.
-The race of people get attacked.
-Let's head to the final city!
-I DON'T EXIST?!?!?
-I don't exist, and yet my dad who also doesn't exist has turned into the giant whale by befriending Yuna's dad, who is forced to become evil because he's friends with her dad.
-Dad says he loves me in a bunch of home movies he left around the world, even though I'm 1000 years in the future.
-I'm not actually 1000 years in the future. My hometown is just on the otherside of the world.
-My hometown was actually destroyed 1000 years ago. I'm actually a dream kid who lives in a dream town on top of the real one. That's why dad as a whale attacking us and destroying the town makes sense.
-Okay Seymour stop it. We're going to kill you this final time.
-This summoner girl who was a zombie for a thousand years doesn't like us. Le'ts kill her!
-Final dungeon, here we go!
-If we kill dad as a whale, the summoners closest friend will become the whale. So I'm going to be a whale? I thought I didn't exist? The sleeping kids who made me say I'm going to disappear. Maybe if I become the whale I'll fade away and stop?
-Instead of killing the whale, let's kill the bearded dude and the other Aeons!
-Wait, so dad, you're the whale and the bearded dude?
-I hate you dad! Now can I kill you?
-FINAL BATTLE!
-Final Fantasy Fanfare plays.
-So now we have to kill the floating symbol thing, okay.
-High Five Dad!
-I have to disappear forever now Yuna. Goodbye.
-Auron was dead this whole time?
Since the others were Playstation RPGs, X was the only game XII can be comepared to, and I hated that game with a passion. They threw out everything in X and replaced it, and I am completely thankful for that. That's why I love XII.
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
1. So what you're saying is
- Make the Dungeons wackier?
- Add More Quests?
Both Fixable.
2. Lost Odyssey is getting bad ratings, and in my personal opinion it's disappointing. From your argument it's the true successor to FFX and the FF series, and yet it still sucks. This is the game that Sakaguchi left Square for, pulled most of the prominents team members away for, asked the Shadow Hearts team to design the gameplay, hired a professional novelist to write it, and hired a respected comic book artist to design the characters, and yet is still sucked. Why did he release this game based on your argument?
3. Dude, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Square calls the shots, not an outside-of-nation fanboy. All a Final Fantasy game needs to be a Final Fantasy game is a Chocobo. The game actually had a lot of FF references. Most of them were the boss fights. All they really needed was a bigger fix on the storyline.
4. They had to do this to use the new battle system in the first place. Way back when they were designing your precious X, they wanted the characters and enemies to move around the field with no battle screens. They've been trying to get FFXII's system down for a long time.
They couldn't do this because they had too many enemies with different animations in the game. That's why they used the turn based combat. They tried it again in FFXI and FFX-2. In X-2, they managed to get everyone moving around the field in the battle screen, and they created a prototype of XII with that Gunner's Guantlet minigame and XI.
5. I'm reading a book on writing novels right now, and it says that a character just has to change from his initial personality to his opposite.
Vaan Beginning: I'm a whiny kid who thinks he can do whatever he wants.
Vaan Ending: There are things out there in the world that are greater than I am.
Ashe Beginning: Everything in the world is either good or evil. The empire's wrong, I am right.
Ashe Ending: Nothing can be categorized that way. I understand the empire's intentions.
Balthier Beginning: I can live wherever I want and do what I damn well please. I can even change my name.
Balthier Ending: I can't run from my problems forever. I have to face them and deal with them, even if it means losing something.
I'll give you Fran, Basch, and Penelo, but they acted like real people which NEVER happens in JRPs. Plus Al Cid, Cidolfus, Gabaranth, Larsa, and Vossler kick ***.
The story is slow and full of filler, I'll admit it. It makes up for this by being and actual STORY and not a corny videogame/anime story. Look at X.
-My name's Tidus. I'm a rich celebrity athlete whose still in high school.
-I sleep with a lot of women, but I'm actually sad because my dad yelled at me.
-There's this cool Asian dude who folllows me around. I don't know why he's friends with my dad though.
-A whale destroys my hometown.
-I wake up in an ancient temple. This really nice girl saved me.
-I WOKE UP 1000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?!?!
-This Jamaican dude saves me. They have Blitzball!
-I walking around to- THAT GIRL IS HOT!
-So she's this really important Summoner girl. Cool
-Her dad is famous. I wonder where he is.
-I can tag along, cool.
-Hey, its that Rikku girl again. I wonder why people hate her.
-That Seymour dude is creepy.
-Hey it's Auron.
-People need to be danced to, otherwise they'll be zombies.
-YUNA'S GOING TO DIE?!?!
-Let's finish the rest of the game. We'll figure something out.
-Seymour hates me, and wants to marry Yuna.
-We rescue her!
-The race of people who use machines decide to help us.
-Yuna is secretly part of this race of people.
-The race of people get attacked.
-Let's head to the final city!
-I DON'T EXIST?!?!?
-I don't exist, and yet my dad who also doesn't exist has turned into the giant whale by befriending Yuna's dad, who is forced to become evil because he's friends with her dad.
-Dad says he loves me in a bunch of home movies he left around the world, even though I'm 1000 years in the future.
-I'm not actually 1000 years in the future. My hometown is just on the otherside of the world.
-My hometown was actually destroyed 1000 years ago. I'm actually a dream kid who lives in a dream town on top of the real one. That's why dad as a whale attacking us and destroying the town makes sense.
-Okay Seymour stop it. We're going to kill you this final time.
-This summoner girl who was a zombie for a thousand years doesn't like us. Le'ts kill her!
-Final dungeon, here we go!
-If we kill dad as a whale, the summoners closest friend will become the whale. So I'm going to be a whale? I thought I didn't exist? The sleeping kids who made me say I'm going to disappear. Maybe if I become the whale I'll fade away and stop?
-Instead of killing the whale, let's kill the bearded dude and the other Aeons!
-Wait, so dad, you're the whale and the bearded dude?
-I hate you dad! Now can I kill you?
-FINAL BATTLE!
-Final Fantasy Fanfare plays.
-So now we have to kill the floating symbol thing, okay.
-High Five Dad!
-I have to disappear forever now Yuna. Goodbye.
-Auron was dead this whole time?
Since the others were Playstation RPGs, X was the only game XII can be comepared to, and I hated that game with a passion. They threw out everything in X and replaced it, and I am completely thankful for that. That's why I love XII.
I see you take notes like I do.
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Wikipedia helps.
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The game i hated most was FF5 it was horrible ,sure it had fair class
system but come on the story is horrible that if i didn't know it was SquireEnix
i would think a total noob from this site made it.also thank you aboutasoandthis and osmose
for defending FF12.You both should get a medal for that in my opion and any
body who is a fan of final fantasy,the game ht got me into RPG making in the
begining,is a freind to Fisherson.
Bye the way does Kingdom Hearts count as final fatasy?I only ask
becuase the FF characters apear there and all.
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Favorite Version: VII, VIII and X. Tied. Yes.
Favorite Character: Vincent (except Dirge of Cerberus) and Squall. Tied. Yes.
Favorite Spell or Summon: FFVIII's Cerberus. I cna't live without it.
Others: I love the card game in FFVIII. Love it love it LOVE IT. Not only is it fun, but it has a practical use and is fairly easy to understand, unlike FFIX's crappy Tetra Master and blitzball in FFX... ugh. Chocobo racing was another dull one. As for XII... I hated it. It was slow. IT was dull and difficult for all the wrong reasons. I didn't care one bit about any of the characters; in fact, I don't think there's a main character so far that I dislike more than Vaan.
And no, God, no, Kingdom Hearts is NOT Final Fantasy. See the avatar? Not a Leon!
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Hmm..well,if a little crazily,said
Phayre i totaly agree with you on Triple Taid bieng the best mini game
they ever made.I wish could meet a girl like you.Smart,Pretty and
who whouldn't want a girl dressed like squal and loves that final fantasy.
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Originally posted by Fisherson
Hmm..well,if a little crazily,said
Phayre i totaly agree with you on Triple Taid bieng the best mini game
they ever made.I wish could meet a girl like you.Smart,Pretty and
who whouldn't want a girl dressed like squal and loves that final fantasy.
lawl flirting online
In all seriousness, FF5 was a great game. I do not understand your complaints about it's story. (I for one was convinced Faris was a man ;)).
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Me too.Are talking about the FF SNES or FF5 GBA
Because i have a FF5 file but not the GBA version and
was told FF5 and FF4 GBA wern't very good.
And about flirting online with Phayre what shes an ineresting person
and i think she would make a great mayor.
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Dude, FF5 was one of the best ones out there. The Job System was Stellar.
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I guess my favorite FF is FF5. I loved the job system. I liked the characters too. Gilgamesh > Ultros. I guess if I rank all the FFs I've played from best to worst...
FF5
FF6
FFTA
FFT
FF9
FF4
FF3
FF7
FF2
FF1
FF8
FF12
FF10
I've still never beaten 8, 10, or 12. They're the only ones I've stopped playing due to their suckage.
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Damn, I now hate buying used games. Before Christmas, I was going to buy some game so I have something to do on the airplane to Orlando. I got a box that said FFV on it. I knew about the class system, so I bought it. Turns out, inside that box was FFIV. And I haven't been fueled with that much FF.
I've only played:
FFVII (Simple storyline, )
FFIV (GBA)
FFT
FFTA
FFVII:CC
FFX:2 (Regretting this one)
FFXII:RW
and FFT:WL
FFVII is my favorite. Why? CLOWD HAZ AWSUM HAIR!
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Do NOT bad talk FFV, never will there be a better name than Butz!
I mean... BUTZ, come on man, BUTZ!
FFV was a fantastic game, to easy though, but grandiose battle system made up for it big time. It was easily abused, but not as easily as some of the other games in the series, I remember doing about 50k or so damage per command, but none of the hits hardly did 9999.
Am I the only one who truly appreciates the bonus dungeons added on to the GBA remakes of those three games? They offered NO additional challenge really, just a couple of hours in gameplay time, due to their sever ease, but it's the thought that counts right? I guess I'm just too good at these games.
Speaking of super easy hidden bosses, I still need to beat Ozma (IX) and Nemesis (X). They are the only ones I've truly yet to. (Not due to difficulty, due to laziness.)
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Originally posted by Apex
Do NOT bad talk FFV, never will there be a better name than Butz!
I mean... BUTZ, come on man, BUTZ!
Speaking of super easy hidden bosses, I still need to beat Ozma (IX) and Nemesis (X). They are the only ones I've truly yet to. (Not due to difficulty, due to laziness.)
To bad the guy was renamed Bartz in the GBA remake...
And did you beat Penance in X? That's a more-than-one-hour battle and really hard as well.
And by the way Final fantasy Crystal chronicles? It's a really good Multiplayer game if you know some friends with a GBA and some cables.
I remember playing through those dungeons many times in order to get the artifacts right. I remember when we had our first magic pile(thunder+thunder=thundara, thunder+thunder+thunder= thundara 2 or Thundaga with perfect timing from all the part emmbers). I remember realising that holy made the boss in connal curash and Rebena te ra a lot easier since they took full damage at last.
Gotta say though. FFCC 2(rings of fate) is underrated just like FFIX. It's for the DS, supports multiplay with the WiFi and wireless. It's also the story mode but without the story and all the dungeons but the addition is that the king offers you a lot of sidequests that can be unlocked.
The armour now change the apperance and you can level up. Leveling gives you new racial treats and increase some of the most basic abilities.
Clavats get more hits per combo.
Selkies get 3-way shot and 5-way shot.
Lilthies get the critical strike.
Yukes can use more than one spell lock at once(charge a spell and hold L in order to charge a new one) and get's higher lvl in magic pile wich make them excellent casters.
The tribe abilities was kinda dull to begin with but I was like "whoa" when I realised that I could use the Yuke tribal on a magicite and draw walls of flames with the stylus.
Clavats are just like "mash the button to score extra hits" but with tapping the screen instead.
Selkies gives you a better view of the area(zooms out) and deals some extra damage and accurecy.
The Lilthies on the other hand Can make magecite by collecting souls in their pots wich is great and economic in this game.
The only bad part about FFCC 2 is the fact that the artifacts was removed, you get some sweet(and laggy) loot from bosses but I liked the 1-5+ in attk, def and magic a bit more.
Great game! Buy it if you like ABS.
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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
-My name's Tidus. I'm a rich celebrity athlete whose still in high school.
-I sleep with a lot of women, but I'm actually sad because my dad yelled at me.
-There's this cool Asian dude who folllows me around. I don't know why he's friends with my dad though.
-A whale destroys my hometown.
-I wake up in an ancient temple. This really nice girl saved me.
-I WOKE UP 1000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?!?!
-This Jamaican dude saves me. They have Blitzball!
-I walking around to- THAT GIRL IS HOT!
-So she's this really important Summoner girl. Cool
-Her dad is famous. I wonder where he is.
-I can tag along, cool.
-Hey, its that Rikku girl again. I wonder why people hate her.
-That Seymour dude is creepy.
-Hey it's Auron.
-People need to be danced to, otherwise they'll be zombies.
-YUNA'S GOING TO DIE?!?!
-Let's finish the rest of the game. We'll figure something out.
-Seymour hates me, and wants to marry Yuna.
-We rescue her!
-The race of people who use machines decide to help us.
-Yuna is secretly part of this race of people.
-The race of people get attacked.
-Let's head to the final city!
-I DON'T EXIST?!?!?
-I don't exist, and yet my dad who also doesn't exist has turned into the giant whale by befriending Yuna's dad, who is forced to become evil because he's friends with her dad.
-Dad says he loves me in a bunch of home movies he left around the world, even though I'm 1000 years in the future.
-I'm not actually 1000 years in the future. My hometown is just on the otherside of the world.
-My hometown was actually destroyed 1000 years ago. I'm actually a dream kid who lives in a dream town on top of the real one. That's why dad as a whale attacking us and destroying the town makes sense.
-Okay Seymour stop it. We're going to kill you this final time.
-This summoner girl who was a zombie for a thousand years doesn't like us. Le'ts kill her!
-Final dungeon, here we go!
-If we kill dad as a whale, the summoners closest friend will become the whale. So I'm going to be a whale? I thought I didn't exist? The sleeping kids who made me say I'm going to disappear. Maybe if I become the whale I'll fade away and stop?
-Instead of killing the whale, let's kill the bearded dude and the other Aeons!
-Wait, so dad, you're the whale and the bearded dude?
-I hate you dad! Now can I kill you?
-FINAL BATTLE!
-Final Fantasy Fanfare plays.
-So now we have to kill the floating symbol thing, okay.
-High Five Dad!
-I have to disappear forever now Yuna. Goodbye.
-Auron was dead this whole time?
I liked FFX. The story wasn't amazing, but it worked, and it was a fun game. Nonetheless, how you just summed it up is the best thing ever and I am willing to marry you and bear you a son to be your heir. I don't care how, I'll do it.
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...Threesome?
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Originally posted by Dragonium
I liked FFX. The story wasn't amazing, but it worked, and it was a fun game. Nonetheless, how you just summed it up is the best thing ever and I am willing to marry you and bear you a son to be your heir. I don't care how, I'll do it.[/B]
Drops pants...
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it just got really akward in here.......
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I never understood anti-FFX. I loved that game. It was IX I hated. Everything about it, really. Too slow, a bit too cheesy, and the visual style turned me off. As for VIII, it is very different from other FFs, which could explain its bad reputation, but it's different in a very good way. I didn't like a lot of its characters, though. Rinoa is so freaking annoying. Gah.
And yeah, break it up, you three. Or get a room. This is unnerving. I don't even want to think about what your kids will look like.
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I might as well go into more detail since everyone else is making insanely long posts... But I can't be bothered to put 'em in order.
FFIX... Had an awesome ending in my opinion. There were some things that I didn't think were that great about it (it had a similar feel to FFXII, thinking about it) but the ending definately made me walk away from it on a good note.
I thought FFX was good, actually. I don't think it's as good as the ones before it, but as a game in it's own right, it's pretty playable. Nothing wrong with it. It just felt like it was going through the motions. (Wherever Auron was concerned, those motions were pretty awesome)
FFV was awesome. No doubts there. Oh... apart from the crappy death of that certain character. That really sucked.
After my misgivings about FFVIII, I decided to play through it again without summoning a GF in battle at all. The effect on the gameplay was immense. So, that's a ton of points towards 8. And as FF main characters go, Squall was one of the better ones.
FFVI had some of the coolest bits ever. I'm pretty sure the opera house scene is still my favourite part of any game ever.
FFIV had, like, three world maps. And Namingway, damnit.
FFIII... I only played the DS version, alas. I get the feeling that sucked the fun out of it.
FFII was basically a slightly less fun version of FFI. It included a plot which was to become the foundations of something great, and dialogue, but they didn't really get this bit right until FF4.
FFI was really cool. It relied a lot on you making your own fun with a bit of imagination but that kinda made it special.
In FFXII's defense, trying to position ashe so that the tall phallic plants dissappeared entirely up her skirt was challenging and fun. The fact that I resorted to doing that and getting as big a malboro chain as possible instead of playing the actual game might be construed as a bad point though.
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In order. I'm including the main series games from I to IX only.
FFIX - Incredible. So many people are WRONG saying it was bad. It was how Final Fantasy was meant to be in the future, unlike other games in the series...
FFV - This quickly moved up on my list as I played through it. Best FF game in terms of game play. It was basic but so much fun to play nothing else mattered.
FFVIII - I have no idea why people hated this. The junction system was confusing at first but it worked. It definitely started out slow, but really picked up by the end of the first disc.
FFIV - Now this one was fun and really began the whole idea of a story in Final Fantasy. Prior to this, the stories were more or less just there as a reason to go on. This game made it part of the game.
FFVII - I won't say it wasn't good. I enjoyed the music a lot and the game play was engaging. However, I can't see the hype over the story. It really ruined it for me. It just tried to be so interestingly complicated it made no sense and failed. The characters didn't help either, as the only attempt at making them unique was making them "badass." To me, the badass character limit in any game should be two, and they can't take both the main protagonist and main antagonist positions.
FFVI - Here's where one of my favorite things, music, came into play. The music was always good, but really started picking up here. However, they started to move towards that ugly "futuristic war that laces technology with magic" storyline and only a few of the characters really mattered that much. It felt like a lot of characters were thrown in for the sake of having a ridiculous amount of characters for Kefka's tower.
FFI - I couldn't sit through the NES version, but I imagine the NES version at the time would be equivalent to the GBA version now. Based on that, this was obviously about getting the series to a start and did very well by creating an interesting world to roam with fun battles and music.
FFII - I don't see the appeal of this one at all. The leveling up system was awful and could have potentially ruined the rest of the series if it stayed that way. They tried to make more of a story this time, but it failed due to dragging on and just being there as a reason to continue through the dungeons. The music was okay, but didn't stand out.
FFIII - This, in my opinion, was the biggest failure of a Final Fantasy game in terms of the main series. I can see why it never made it to the US until the DS. The only saving grace was that it experimented with the job system, which later became crucial to FFV's success. This game defined the idea of fighting for ten years until your party is strong enough to complete the next dungeon, which was immediately taken away for the most part after this. The music was the dullest in the series as well (save for "The Boundless Ocean"). This game worked experimentally and nothing more. I suppose it was necessary to get the higher levels of Final Fantasy, but there's really no point in playing it anymore.
This is always a fun chat, and while my opinion most stays the same every time, there is a little change once in a while, such as FFV climbing up to second place.
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I've really gotten into Crisis Core. I don't know why, but I feel the back story to FFVII is better then FFVII. Though I like all the FF games. I haven't beaten XII well becasue I did find it a little bit slow and boring. I hate Vaan so much. Basch would have to be my favorite from that game.
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I'm Basch Fon Ronsenberg of Dalmasca!
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Basch was awesome i wonder if you had him and Cloud go
head to head in gladiator macth who would when?
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I don't really wander that, but Auron should be thrown in as well.
Truth be told, the biggest "Wanker" character ever in any Final Fantasy game, would have to be Irvine; the only redeeming moment for him, was when he had second thoughts about shooting Edea, which only proved he was human, and still remembered her from the past. Other than that, he totally blew.
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Prior to the PlayStation era of FF games FF1, FF5 and FF6 are my three favourite in that order. My reasons? FF1 allows you to start off with a team of Red Mages right off the bat. RED MAGES, PEOPLE! Who can deny the awesomeness that are the Red Mages? FF5 because of its job class system, and again the fact that you can have a team of Red Mages. Though it was sad when Galuf dies. And FF6 because I really liked the story and the characters. Kefka especially was awesome. Who can honestly say that a deranged, megalomaniac clown is inferior to Sephiroth?
Out of the PlayStation era of FF games FF7, FF9 and FF12 are my favourite in that order. My reasons? FF7 was the first FF game I played and the story and characters stuck with me. And the Materia system rocked too. FF9 because its everything an RPG should be that isnt FF7. The only character I didnt really like in it was Amarant and thats because he didnt really have a place in the story if memory serves me right. And FF12 because for some reason I really liked it. I dont know why but it just does.
Aside from those 6 FFT is my favourite FF game that isnt in the "numbered" series because I really liked the story and characters, and tactical RPG's are one of my favourite genre's of games as well.
Oh and did I say that Red Mages rock?
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I deny the awesomeness of Red Mages, they are good for a multitude of situations, but they aren't GREAT in the end. I'd like my final level spells and outrageous hit amounts.
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Granted you dont have access to some of the most powerful spells, but you have a character than can play multiple roles all at once. And if you have all party members as Red Mages then your whole team can play those roles. Someone injured? Not a problem just have one of the Red Mages heal that member. Enemy has an elemental weakness? Awesome, that means the whole team can exploit it. Need to give the enemy a beating physically? Have them all attack the enemy then. Sure its only just weaker than a knight or other physical-based class but with a full team of Red Mages its better than a team consisting of a Knight, Thief, White Mage and Black Mage.
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Originally posted by Artemis Wingate
but with a full team of Red Mages its better than a team consisting of a Knight, Thief, White Mage and Black Mage.
I totally 100% disagree.
Seeing that all the elemental spells in FFI are able to be cast upon all enemies, one blast of the most powerful attack is generally sufficient enough to destroy all opposition on one hit, unless physical attack power is needed, than a white mage can boost the attack power of a Ninja who gets a massive amount of hits in, equaling monstrous damage, rivaling that of multiple red mages. Not to mention Haste on a Knight has similar effects.
I don't recall Red Mages being able to cast haste or the attack increasing spell, I could be wrong though.
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Originally posted by Apex
I don't recall Red Mages being able to cast haste or the attack increasing spell, I could be wrong though.
I actually think you are. I know that I played through FF1 with a Thief only. Although Chaos wooped my *** over and over so I became a ninja.
Ninjas can use pretty much the same spells as a red mages right? And I could use temper and haste on myself. But I did miss Saber. That's one awesome spell.
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Originally posted by Artemis Wingate
Kefka especially was awesome. Who can honestly say that a deranged, megalomaniac CLOWN is inferior to Sephiroth?
I dunno, it might be that he was a clown who.. blew the world up, it might just be that I'm tired of Kefka fanboys, it MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT just be his laugh (BWERP BOOP BOOP BOOP), or it might be because the last fight against him is painfully long (of what I've seen).
Meh. I've never been that much of a Final Fantasy fan.
Which just begs the question why I'm here... O.o