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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: forgetaboutit on June 24, 2008, 10:31:20 PM
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Am I going to hell? Just some random thoughts I thought of.
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If you die, you die. That's it. There's no such thing as hell. Just eternal darkness and unthinking.
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If you die, you die. That's it. There's no such thing as hell. Just eternal darkness and unthinking.
Suprisingly, I thought when you die, you get another life with no memory at all of your previous life.
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SHE'S NOT A CHRISTIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAN-AAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
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If Lucas were to die, I'd bring him back and kill him for abandoning the Charasmon project.
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You'd be a failure. Only failures die.
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George Washington was a failure.
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That's mama le-weenie to you lucario. *WHEEZE*
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I didn't read the Bible completely through yet, but I'm TOLD by other Christians the Bible says that suicide and dismissing the power of the Holy Spirit (I think) are the two unforgivable sins.
/Christian :B
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OOOOOH I'm a God warRIOR.
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I don't get it :<
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If you die, that's it... So don't commit suicide. Any existance is worth it. It's not like you'll have to endure it forever.
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lol
I just want to know what happens after you die.
And fun thing is, everyone will find that out someday, but no one will be able to share it with others.
Says you. >.>
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Am I the only person with a religion thats not atheism? <_<
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Am I the only person with a religion thats not atheism? <_<
Does Communism count?
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I'm mace in headist.
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I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic. In other words I have no facking clue!
But really, reincarnation is just ridiculous. Here's my theory of disproving reincarnation: You have consciousness now, you're remembering all these events as we speak, right? In other words, you know consciously every action your taking, everything going on around you in the world and with close friends or family. You are conscious of everything that makes Earth the place it is, right? That is undeniable because it is simply remembering. Unless you smoke out of aluminum cans frequently... but that's not my point. >.>
If you can remember the events of this time so clearly, how come you cannot remember the times before this? I know reincarnation believes you lose all recollection of what you did previously to this. But if life were to loop eternally like this where you were reincarnated, then died and lost recollection and were reincarnated, wouldn't it be true that you'd never have consciousness because at some point everything you were or did or had achieved or believed would be forgotten entirely? And in that same thought, does that not kill all possibility of having a soul or inherently having individual thoughts? And if it is true that you lose all recollection after reincarnation than was my birth the last time I will be reincarnated? Because there would be no way I can remember and be conscious of all these things if I were to eventually lose all memory of it, am I right? And if THAT is true, could I go farther to say that, is it possible that protoges and "mankind changing" geniuses such as DaVinci or Einstein are simply the products of their last reincarnation?
Okay, so I went off on a tangent, I don't believe that last bit, because I am definitely no protige or however you spell it.
Does anyone even have any idea what I'm talking about, or am I alone on this one?
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You become a butterfly.
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Fankies Luccy. ;3
There's like, a thousand different questions I have right now, but I'll just ask the most important one: Zeek, if you're religious, why do you masturbate? O_o
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If you can remember the events of this time so clearly, how come you cannot remember the times before this? I know reincarnation believes you lose all recollection of what you did previously to this. But if life were to loop eternally like this where you were reincarnated, then died and lost recollection and were reincarnated, wouldn't it be true that you'd never have consciousness because at some point everything you were or did or had achieved or believed would be forgotten entirely? And in that same thought, does that not kill all possibility of having a soul or inherently having individual thoughts? And if it is true that you lose all recollection after reincarnation than was my birth the last time I will be reincarnated? Because there would be no way I can remember and be conscious of all these things if I were to eventually lose all memory of it, am I right? And if THAT is true, could I go farther to say that, is it possible that protoges and "mankind changing" geniuses such as DaVinci or Einstein are simply the products of their last reincarnation?
I'd like to agree with you, but I can't, because my brain has folded itself into a crane and flown away.
On the subject of religion, I'm a nihilist. I don't believe in anything.
EDIT: Dom, how the hell do you know?
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He told me awhile back XD
Besides, atheism's not a religion, alot of atheists will bite your head off for it if you say it is ;P
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Fankies Luccy. ;3
There's like, a thousand different questions I have right now, but I'll just ask the most important one: Zeek, if you're religious, why do you masturbate? O_o
Because I'm not Mormon.
But Atheism, contrary to what they want to think, is a religion. It publishes literature like a religion, it tries to convert people like a religion, it looks down on those not in it like a religion, it has zealots like a religion, and files for tax exemption like a religion.
Atheism is a religion.
As for reicarnation, if you're Scientologist you might come back as a Marcab race car driver like the great Ron L.
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Good point.
I dunno that much about Scientology though. Give me a three word summary that doesn't include any form of 'stupid' :P
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Ron L. Hubbard. Three words.
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I can't decide whether Scientology is a cult, or a crime syndicate pretending to be a religion so it's immune to the law.
I think it's both.
As a part-time (when I can be bothered) moralfag, I feel very strongly about that little topic.
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Greaaaaaaat, religious debate. I personally would LOVE to believe in reincarnation, that'd be neat.
I just wish I would retain my memory and intelligence.
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He told me awhile back XD
Oh. That's nice.
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I'm not gonna make fun of someone because of their beliefs or anything like that, but I find it really hard to understand why theists honestly believe in god. Can one of the christians here help me out?
I mean, as a world creation theory, it's about as solid as anything else, but heaven? Omnipotence? Omniscience? I don't get how an intelligent, free thinking person would put their faith in that.
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Am I the only person with a religion thats not atheism? <_<
No, I'm my own personal sect of Christianity based on being raised as a Lutheran and then going to a Catholic high school. My view somehow involves existentialism. :)
Oh, and Apex, retaining you intelligence would mean like... talking babies/animals/trees!!! Sweet! Haha. Or actually maybe you still couldn't talk as an animal or tree though, but you'd understand and could be the world's smartest dog!
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I'm not gonna make fun of someone because of their beliefs or anything like that, but I find it really hard to understand why theists honestly believe in god. Can one of the christians here help me out?
I mean, as a world creation theory, it's about as solid as anything else, but heaven? Omnipotence? Omniscience? I don't get how an intelligent, free thinking person would put their faith in that.
Havent you ever heard of just because you cant see something doesnt mean its not real?
My personal belief is that god is just an all knowing entity of destruction, chaos, harmony, peace, love, faith, power, intelligence and of course control. But really i dont care what you belief. But im suprised that there are so many atheists out there. But jezz i think god sounds better then a guy that represents fatness itself(the boodah or w/e)
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Religion was developed by our early ancestors to explain the world around them.
Where does the wind come from? Well, maybe a great sky god controls the wind.
It's believed that early humans originated in one place, then spread across the world. Since a variation of the basic above statement occurs in every culture on the planet, it makes sense that our very early ancestors had thoughts like this.
But, as civilization started to develop, every culture began refining their beliefs. Because towns and cities require a lot of factors and resources to stay prosperous, they needed all of the help they could get - and why not offer tribute to a god to get their favor?
If we give enough of our food or currency to the sky god, maybe they'll bring rain, or favorable wind, or what have you.
Then, civilizations started to compete with one another. As one civilization conquered another, the conquering civilization believed that it was the favor of their gods that granted them victory, and that their gods were superior to the gods of the conquered civilization. Eventually, a sense of superiority was developed by a conquering nation, and they began to convert more people to their beliefs to get even more followers to sway the favor of the gods.
The rest, as they say, is history.
I'm not saying that every religion is wrong. It's a fact that every myth in the world has at least a shred of truth, and it may very well be possible that there are forces beyond our comprehension out there.
And, if you take religion in its original meaning - to explain the world - then science may be considered a religion as well, though, instead of just using gods to explain the world, science attempts to explain the gods themselves.
But I believe the question of the thread was "What happens if you die?" I say, don't worry about it until the time comes. If you are devout, and live according to the rules of your religion, you'll either be rewarded with supreme happiness, or... an unthinking void. Both are better alternatives than the classic depiction of Hell.
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I'm not gonna make fun of someone because of their beliefs or anything like that, but I find it really hard to understand why theists honestly believe in god. Can one of the christians here help me out?
I mean, as a world creation theory, it's about as solid as anything else, but heaven? Omnipotence? Omniscience? I don't get how an intelligent, free thinking person would put their faith in that.
Mainly because I solidly believe that something had to have happened for lack of a better phrase late at night. I believe in evolution and the big bang. I believe that science is right, but its strictly a matter of there has to be something that is knowing tying it all together. Something that created everything, because as I frequently mention in religious type conversations, its all a boils down to "And where did that come from?". Science says that something doesn't come from nothing, but where did the original pieces come from. Thats what I believe God did, which is to create the original blocks.
Strange that my beliefs have changed so much, yet I still call myself a Catholic. I think its just better for me to be catholic than agnostic, mainly because I enjoy faith in God, instead of just "Oh yeh God's cool whatever".
Zeek is a religious being, lol.
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That is probably my favorite theory. A lot of people seem to or used to think that science and religion were two completely different subjects that would never agree, but in fact, all they do is compliment each other. Science simply explains the working of god. I believe that, but I think both human interpretation of science and religious are a wee bit flawed. Science: because we can simply never understand the whole workings of the universe in its entirety and religion: for its countless hypocrisy and holes. But these are all man-made flaws.
...wait, oh yeah, what happens when you die...: you are no longer living... =P
There's no way to know, but I highly doubt there's a burning pit of eternal flame where the devil will forever torture you for your sins, but then again, I don't believe any supreme god would let a rapist or murderer enjoy the same privileges granted to an honest person after death.
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Guys, why are there so many long posts in my Unmod?
Unmod posts should be two lines long, tops, and contain at least one reference to sodomy.
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Lawl
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Unmod is definately starting to get interesting. I guess people feel like they can post random thoughts that might spawn a good topic, but few would be brave enough/ bother to post in all of all.
Anyway, Lucas, you mind if I move this? Might be better in AoA. It'd get more attention and viewpoints anyway.
Anyway, Zeek, it sounds like you believe in god because of the creation of the universe. I'm not arguing with that. Science has failed to explain the universe... In fact science MUST be wrong or the universe wouldn't exist. Well... Unless you go into the time loop stuff.
What I was asking about was actually the whole bible thing. God may well be real but that book is so clearly not the work of god it's almost agonising.
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What I was asking about was actually the whole bible thing. God may well be real but that book is so clearly not the work of god it's almost agonising.
One cannot hope to understand god. But some people did their best at describing; not facts. But written in such manner that everyone could understand them.
What do you think cathaholism would look like if the bible's first few pages would be something like
"In the gaint mass of vacuum and hydrogen a great entity created heat from by friction at a speficic location and a fiery ball of light became what we know as the sun.
The great entity then fashioned a glode of stardust and named it "earth". The great entity then added nutrishemnt to the soil and filled the world with carbon dioxide with let life bloom.
The bible was written so that everyone could understand and read it, people had to translate it as well so it was important that most of it could be translated correctly. Wouldn't really surprise me if larger parts of it was lost along the way.
An a second note, death is certain in life. Think not of death, think of life. Death comes when death comes, live your life.
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MOVED
But what do you actually mean by that prpl? Did the original writers get visited by god and then decide to write down their newfound knowledge in a way that others could understand? What makes you think that was what happened? What word can you trust other than human word?
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I'm just saying that everything in the bible shouldn't be interpreted literally. The bible is written so that many people can take knowledge of the content and learn from those stories.
I can honestly say that I feel that some parts of the bible is a bit exaggerated or that some sounds stupid. But you have to read what the bible is saying and not what is written.
The bible is not there to tell you exactly how to do. It's supposed to help you, be a guide when you need advice. The things that are written merely tells the stories, and the stories is what you need to interpret in order to learn what the writers are trying to say.
The bible is filled with symbolic stuff, so read between the lines.
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When you die you die.
Hard to believe, I know.
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That's weird. My friend dyed his hair, but he didn't lose thought, and slept normally.
The after-life can never be proven.
But until then.......we have to wait.
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Here's a good analogy that I've heard on how God can exist without proof:
Do you love your mother? If you say yes, and I say why, you can give any "reason" for it, and it can be refuted. But regardless of any of your shotdown reasons, you still know you love your mother.
Same with God's existance. Do you think God exists? Reasons can't provide proof; you just have to know.
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Oh, great, now that this is moved my original posts look completely out of hand. :P
I have a strange understanding of God. It'd take me too long to explain it all here, but basically I'm partly a monist because I think God is just... well, everything... not like a GREAT SUPERNATURAL BEING THAT'S A KING IN THE SKY, but just like a type of positive, overseeing spiritual energy that resides in the forces of nature and the hearts of mankind. It might seem to go against the usual Christian doctrine and might even be a sort of heresy in some way, but I feel like if you take the idea of omnipresence, then it makes sense that this idea of God would be part of everything as well, since it's everywhere. I could get into more detail, but it'd get really complicated. I come to a point where I just can't explain it anymore.
Overall, to me, "God" isn't something you believe in; it's something you feel. I always just say "I believe in" to be synonymous with feel. It was actually really interesting going to a Catholic high school because in my junior and senior years, I learned a lot about myself and how my personal story makes who I am, and thus helps me grow towards what I believe. It didn't end up all being the simple "this is the religion, this is right, this is wrong" sort of thing like I thought it would be, even there was some of that sometimes. And hey, if you think I'm crazy or "born again" or whatever, then you completely misunderstood me. Hell, I was even part of a group of kids who were the "yeah, we're going to hell" kids because if everything we were told was true, then we would in fact be going to hell.
I've already started to ramble so I'll stop now and just say I think religion is something you find inside yourself and not from anything on the outside, like convincing evidence or lessons being drilled into your head from a young age.
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Do you love your mother? If you say yes, and I say why, you can give any "reason" for it, and it can be refuted. But regardless of any of your shotdown reasons, you still know you love your mother.
Greatest thing ever said on Charas ;~;
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I love my mother because I just do. That can't be explained. You love god because you just do. That can't be explained. However, these things are feelings. Feelings can do anything. They aren't physical.
My mother exists because my grandmother gave birth to her. That can be explained. God exists because...?
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You goto hell if you kill yourself apparently or you goto heaven if you accept Christ. Either that or you die and nothing happens. Just...Blank.. Or you live your life with hope of something. (Maybe cookies) Or you get to have 42 virgins if you blow yourself up.
Look at all the possibility's. Oh and you could reincarnate into a horse. Tsk tsk tsk. No one can tell ya what happens. Just a wait and see thing.
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God exists because...?
Well, I already gave my metaphysical two cents...
And based on what I said, to answer your question, the line ends there... God exists because... and that's about it. There isn't much you can say after that.
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XD You could say the same about mace-in-headism.
But whatever. The inevitable conclusion of these discussions is no conclusion.
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I believe in a God because I detest atheism. It just seems so negative.
However, I do live my day-to-day life without ever thinking about God. I'm almost like a self-hating atheist, since I completely ignore any traces of a God and hate anyone who interjects God into anything I'm involved with (or not involved with) without a good enough reason. I also have theories about God, but those are too much fun to get into without starting a whole other thread about. Thread hijacking for the purpose of a wicked conversation (wicked in both ways) is just plain wrong.
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But whatever. The inevitable conclusion of these discussions is no conclusion.
Pretty much. I've learned to stop debating and just live.
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I am Christian, so I know that if you kill yourself on purpose you might go join your favorite wartime heroes in hell, and burn with them. Of course if you just want to believe that you die and not think a thing and be total darkness, going around in circles, or go join the supreme alien in a different dimension, or reincarnate as a mucus slithing snail to move up in life, or even wake up in a futuristic society just to realize that your whole life was a dream and your real life has just begun, then go ahead, and find out. God gave you a free will to do whatever the hell you want. But I wouldn't recommend it. This universe is too gigantic and too majestic and too perfect to have had no Creator.
As for Atheism: It is a religion. They even have their own 'church' now. And i really don't get it. Why spend your brainpower trying to debate and stop "something" that you believe it doesn't exist.
About scientology: lol, has always reminded me of a Resident Evil scenario.
I only have faith.
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What makes you think things are so perfect? Because it's the only way you know it? Just because things work, doesn't mean it's somethings grand scheme or perfect by any means "Perfect" as christians like to use often. I'm not going to discriminate against what you believe in, or downgrade it, as everyone else feels the responsibility to do so though.
I have one philosophy I'm fond of though: Every religion caries a similar message on how to live your life, if you live it in a good way, do good things for others, don't cause problems and overall lead a good life, I think that if there were a god, regardless of what it is, it'll see you lived your life in a good fashion and probably have mercy, whether you spent your life groveling or not. So I choose just not to worry about it, and not be evil throughout life, and not tell people they're wrong for what they believe in.
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Religon on internet lol
If god exists, I think he laughs at religons. Gods got a killer sense of humor. Seriously. 12 dollars for a burger, fries, and lemonade? What an ***.
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Rev, 'tis Charas. Srs bsns.
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My mistake. I forgot my monocle and tophat, brb
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I recently read about a letter that was found from Albert Einstein to a personal contact of his, where he shared his views on god and relgion.
Allthough I do not have it with me for direct quoting ala copy pasta...It went something like this;
"Religion is a crutch for the weak to describe the world around them"
Its my personal belief that we are on the verge of disproving the existance of God, with Science.
I personally have no merit to give religion. And I think too many people confuse religion with spirituality.
I think you "love your mother" becuse humans behave like pack animals, and its a chemical loyalty to your "herd" even if you live far away, you keep your herd together.
I think science has everything pretty much explained, and what theories have "holes" are being looked at pretty closely.
I think if there "were a god" that went through all the trouble to create heaven, and give you free will would be a pretty big controll freak ***hole to create a hell for excersizing free will. I think having "faith in god" is a horrible misplacement of faith.
And I think if you are going to justify living a life of suffering with a hypothetical eternity of bliss, youre kidding yourself to the point of robbing yourself of lifes good times.
This is going to be the only post I make here...and I will end it by saying I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Einstein, and think rather then misplacing your faith by revering things that are grossly improbable and unrealistic, it would be prudent for you to open your eyes and start putting faith into the potential all of us have to become better lifeforms. We would all benifit from it.
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Okay. Iīm going to make up an example religion to explain my views on this matter. It will be called Bobism.
It all starts with a guy that writes a book. His book lists all the flaws of mankind, and all the steps one should take to avoid these flaws. It also lists all the characteristics of an ideal human being. Sounds a lot like a self-help book, doesnīt it? Why isnīt it an ordinary self-help book? Because he adds something to it, something to make it a bit more interesting. He adds an omniscient, all knowing, loving, caring, altruistic being. Then he says, "Hmm, Iīll name it Bob." So we have bob here in this self-help book, and the book is all about Bob, and how great of a person is, and how you could be a great person too, if you did what Bob said. Bob even has a reward waiting for when you die, if you follow his rules! He holds his arms wide open, and you know you can be at rest when you die, because not only do you have the security of knowing you are a good person, but you also know Bob is waiting for you in the end, and you can eagerly await his loving embrace. Itīs not a bad concept is it? It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, right?
Then somebody takes the book too far. He goes insane over the book. He starts treating the book like Golem treats his precious ring. He starts living life with the book as his strict guide of doing so. He is the beginning of Bobism. He feels he has been enlightened by this book, so he thinks everybody should take him as an example of how to live their lives. He crusades for everybody to adapt the laws of the book, and BANG! Religion.
And then it goes even farther. The governmental laws of society start leaning towards Bobist ideas, until eventually, the entire government is a Bobist powerhouse. Then the little land of Bob starts to realize that a different self-help book is quite popular a few miles south. Jimism? Heresy! They will have none of it! They must send in a crusade to assure everyone in Jimland is converted to Bobism.
It isnīt working, the Jimists strongly believe in the book of Jim, and refuse to adopt the laws of another book. What does Bobland have to think about that? Well, Bobland isnīt satisfied. Bobland wants everyone to be Bobist. "For their own sake." So Bobland kills them. They kill them all. Women and children, millions of Jimists slaughtered simply because they disagree.
This eventually leads to war. Everywhere. As well as the global conflicts, small scale civilian conflict ensues. Violent civilian conflict.
But is religion really that bad? NO.
Itīs the people who take it too seriously. I can write a book, you can write a book. Every next person in line can write a book.
Thereīs a thin line, and so far every religion has crossed it, in my eyes. That is the reason I avoid religion completely. It causes conflict. I donīt want to get into a fight with people over such stupid reasons.
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I think there's a difference between religion and believing. I myself am agnostic. What does that mean? I believe in the possibility of anything, in short terms. When I think of god, Catholicism or Christianity do not come to mind. Organized religion is one of the biggest fallacies of man, and if there is a god, he'd agree with me.
Not because religions try to spread the word of god, but because they slaughter and enslave. We've seen this quite frequently in the past two thousand years. All in the name of religion.
I hate when people say that science so contradicts religion and vice versa. I think that science is merely discovering the ways in which god made the universe and that they both compliment each other. The bible is full of misinterpretations, hypocrisies and flat out lies. Anyone that believes the bible is 100 percent accurate is a blatant idiot. Hell, there's PRIESTS out there that agree. Priests that preach the word of god and the importance of the bible, that believe the bible has errors. And it's so simple, because humans wrote the bible, and throughout time people put things in the bible that favored them and helped them come to power or whatever.
So all together, my point is I despise organized religion, it's just another tool people use to gain power in this pathetic society of humans. But that is changing, slowly, but more hurriedly as time goes on. Thank god I am alive now than in any other time in human history. And if there is a god, well then there is a god, and I try to have sort of my own faith in him without religion or the churches. If there is a god, you do not need the Pope to reach him, because the Pope's a liar and god knows that too. If god exists, I don't believe there is an eternal flaming pit of hell anywhere for the sinners and blasphemers to sit and hold conference together until the end of time. But nor do I believe in a heaven for all "good" people to sit and have crumpets and tea together. But then again, I really don't know what I believe, which is a part of being agnostic.
*Text wall and 1/2* >.<
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I don't believe in god. I don't believe there's any powerful presence or anything like that. For me, religions are just a pure invention. I totally agree with that quote from Einstein.
But to answer the question... I think that when you die, it's kind of like when you sleep. You dream... only difference is that you'll dream eternally. I don't know what else could happen, as I don't believe in reincarnation or heaven and hell. But I don't try to find out, I will when the time come.
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When I think about science, it tends to make me believe in a god even more. Seriously, if everything works out so well, if things seem so intricately designed, how did all of this happen by sheer chance? Or is that even possible? In reality, scientists are starting to migrate back to the god position as they are learning more and more about our universe.