Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: forgetaboutit on July 24, 2008, 07:16:41 PM
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I am not the one who should do it, but whathever.
http://www.charas-project.net/forum/index.php?topic=23450.15
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There should be two mods in charge of AoA. It's arguably the most important and most popular forum, and the fact that we have one mod watching it and she's currently AWOL, kinda speaks for the problem.
There are a lot of inactive mods. Maybe we need to kinda "refresh" the mod team to pump some new life into the forum.
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I think before we start thinking of new mod staff, the existing regular users could also make an effort to not brea the rules, and spam up the joint. Like, pointless kicks, an posting to comment on peoples leg hair, or things like that. Things like "im 14 and I have bigger ____ then that"
I think As a mod I could do a better job. So with that being said, Ill be handing out more warnings. And now that I have the power to implement global mod powers and the odd Ban here and there, if it should come down to it.
We cant start thinking about new mods until
A) People start acting like they are deserving of the role
B) the inactive mods are dealt with.
C) The current Active mods Do a better Job.
Ill try to be a bit more effective.
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I am not the one who should do it, but whathever.
Why not? What would prevent you from starting this topic?
There are changes that need to be made. Spam is increasing. Mods activities are apparently not sufficient. We'd need more staff.
Also, I know the main reason is for respect for being there when the forum started and all, but innactive Mods, such as SMB, Grandragora and GPI should be unmodded. Yeah, they somewhat deserve a place in the forum, but not as a Mod. It's like giving power to a dead politician. Kinda...
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Also, I know the main reason is for respect for being there when the forum started and all, but innactive Mods, such as SMB, Grandragora and GPI should be unmodded. Yeah, they somewhat deserve a place in the forum, but not as a Mod. It's like giving power to a dead politician. Kinda...
I agree with this beyond a percentile figure.
Its confusing to the newbies.
A memorial is nice. Perhaps a Custom rank would be swell.
But all of these inactive mods...it makes the handfull of mods that ARE still active look worse just by association.
Where the **** is Midnight?
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There are changes that need to be made. Spam is increasing. Mods activities are apparently not sufficient. We'd need more staff.
The spam is almost entirely because people are able to spam in Unmod and they forget that there's a boundary between there and the rest of the forum. People really just have to learn to leave the spam in Unmod, and make All of All posts relevant and have a point to them.
And the mod thing, yeah.
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People really just have to learn to leave the spam in Unmod, and make All of All posts relevant and have a point to them.
Yeah, of course that maybe one of the main problem. But more active Mods could help for those who can't understand this.
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It is my own personal opinion that Unmod is a mild form of cancer.
Dont get me wrong...I have had my share of lulz there
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I think promoting me would snap me into shape.
Or, I could become the worst example for mod ever.
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The threads seem to be going very off topic lately. I agree that this is alarming, and needs to be worked on, not just in the All of All. I'm not sure how more mods would help, though, unless they were given more authority to enforce the on-topicness. But yes, do keep the random one-line nonsense to forum gaming, etc.
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I'm not sure how more mods would help, though, unless they were given more authority to enforce the on-topicness.
They have that authority. It's called "deleting spam posts and locking unnecessary topics". We don't need new stuff, we need to do the old stuff more actively. We need more mods because many of our current ones are inactive, snowed-under by the level of spam, or both.
But yes, do keep the random one-line nonsense to forum gaming, etc.
Or mainly Unmod, since that's what it's for, and probably the source of the whole problem.
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More active mods could help, because there would be more of them to watch on all section, delete pointless posts, give a warning if a thread goes Off-Topic, lock or delete threads if spam continue even after the warning, etc.
There is Spam in Off-Topic, Welcome Board, Requests and such... lack of Staff surly have something to do with it. Well, either lack of Staff, or lack of work from Staff.
Or mainly Unmod, since that's what it's for, and probably the source of the whole problem.
Well, Forum Gaming tends to get some spam as well. Like "DNC" posts in "Whoever posts last wins" or "The 1000 posts game" just looks like an easy way to get free posts.
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Those ones are semi-acceptable semi-spam threads. The problem comes when serious threads drift into off-topic silliness and nothing is done about it. Which, in my opinion, Unmod is partly to blame for. The real thing at fault is people's inability to keep within the boundaries and remain on-topic.
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I also blame rank. Someone might post a lot only to obtain a certain Rank, like "Sage".
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Yeah, well, 1000 posts game is pretty much okay, but it just seems like a "More Free Posts" now. But the worsts in Forum Gaming are "DNC" posts in "Whoever posts last wins". I mean, is "Only 1 post per 24 hours" that hard to understand?
And agreed cerebus. Archem is the living proof.
Oh, what makes you think I was reffering to him... *cough*
And yes, I think Mods should be a bit more severe, and not only for a couple of months. We had severe Mods some time ago, and they knew how to keep spam away. But apparently, they were a little too severe.
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I personally would rather have massively strict Nazi mods than mods who do very little and many of whom are inactive.
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Same.
Personally, I kinda liked Ghostclown and carmen's work, and I wouldn't mind having Mods similar to them. They were strict, but you wouldn't see much spam.
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I didn't like Carmen and GhostClown's work, and I didn't like Carmen and GhostClown.
Anyways, all people need to do is pay attention to what they post, myself included.
Also: Give Archem posting rights only within Unmod. Haha.
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We need to hire someone to teach Archem "not every post has to try and be funny".
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Do we still have the bonk? Because that seemed incredibly useful. I always knew who it was just by the way it was worded, it was great.
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I didn't like Carmen and GhostClown's work, and I didn't like Carmen and GhostClown.
Bah, I'm pretty sure only few members actually liked their work. I may even be the only one...
Anyways, all people need to do is pay attention to what they post, myself included.
Yeah, like, not posting "Good luck ;D" in a request thread, uh? Hehe...
Of course, that would get rid of spam, but I'm pretty sure more active Mods would also help for those who can't.
That or having more strict Mods.
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We need more active mods and stricter mods. Not saying Charas has to be like a concentration camp where you can't breathe out of line, but spam and pointless stuff should be removed efficiently so that the forum can function as well as it possibly can.
For one I'd uphold that AoA needs two mods, since one of them is usually inactive COUGH COUGH and also because AoA gets 75% of the spam. It's too much for one mod.
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Yeah, All of All gets a big part of the spam, but the probleme is that there's spam in the other sections as well, like Request, Test & Welcme, etc.
Would more Global Mods be a bad idea? Because if an All of All mod sees spam in Request, he can't do much until Request or Global Mod come to get rid of it.
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We need board-specific mods. Global mods find it hard to cover everything, whereas a board-specific mod will be more focused.
If there's spam in other places, wait for those mods. It's their job.
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Yeah, I guess Board-Specific Mods would be better. Should be 2 per Board, though.
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Yeah, like, not posting "Good luck ;D" in a request thread, uh? Hehe...
That wasn't spam, that was just internet sarcasm. I've decided I wouldn't be a dick to people making outlandish requests.
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requests i made my old requests in to delete this to help the mod on that page and
i pm him to ask if he can move my posting to make some room
but i only got to see he away for a week
so when he comes back i ask him to help
i was thinking if we all do this them it may help the mod to do the jobs they do
it saves them time if we ask them to delete this they know what ones to
move from a old posting that was been made or you dont need any more
give me feed back if you like
any was i think the mods do a good job keep up the good work
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I wasn't meaning more tools, just more willingness to use said tools without being seen as too heavy-handed. But I agree, the randomness has gone up since the new ranks were introduced. I like the idea, but still, things have become a bit hard to slog through. Some posts, like almost all of Miss Muffet's threads, seem super-prone to spamming, which, regardless of the original poster's request or demeanor, is pretty rude. By junking up threads with in-jokes and sex talk (can we get over the Phayre-in-compromising-positions fetish for a bit?), we discourage growth and meaningful (well, at least semi-kinda-productive) content.
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Woah. Gem's had to deal with the revolution all by himself?
Okay. Erm...
I agree that the staff system we have has become stale and ineffective. I've brought this up before. we kinda need to clean the whole thing out and start again. This is through no fault of Osmose, who's been pretty awesome, but Razor's clearly done a runner so we need another yellow name in my opinion.
I feel like most of the staff are asleep, even me most of the time. Nothing really has a sense of urgency or importance. I personally feel like charas is getting pretty good and lively again, but the staff system is going to drag it down if we don't do something.
When I first became a mod, I was kinda the people's choice, a bit like the mayor, and It was never really my job to be the bad cop. I can be that if you think charas needs it, but I'm not sure you'll be pleased if we all start upping the nazi to be honest. Just warning you. It might kill the vibes.
And I agree with the Phayre baiting >.> Cut it out
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Personnally, I wouldn't bother if Mods started to be stricter. I rarely ever spammed ( Maybe a reason why my Post count is quite low ) and I'd be pleased to see less spam or pointless posts.
I also agree with Phayre about sex talk and such. At first, it was... kind of funny... but now it's just getting boring.
Must be pretty annoying to see repetitive sex jokes with your name tagged on it...
I'd like more Mods activity.
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Depends.
Let's say there's a Request Topic. Thread goes to 10 posts and stay On-Topic. Request has been fulfilled. Some member posts something pointless and get two pointless replies. Thread should be locked.
Additionally, pointless posts could be deleted.
Now there's another Request Topic. First post is pointless and get several pointless replies. Thread should be deleted.
That's how I see it.
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Well, it could be put in the Junk Bin, but I think that sometime, lowering Post Count by deleting useless posts can help getting rid of spam.
No one would like their Post Count to get down, so they'd have to stop spamming.
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Oh lord, I can picture it now. Charas operating like a real forum D:
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Hello, I'm a mod.
Now, I can't speak on behalf of the whole staff, but I have always thought deleting posts/threads is just a step too far. I don't like deleting these things. I've always thought deleting should only be saved for complete spam posts (like someone hitting their keyboard with their face) or advertising threads by like bots and stuff. Oh, and if someone is flooding the forum with a single thread or whatever.
Deleting an individual post as soon as it happened, maybe. Deleting an individual post after it's been referred to and quoted for pages, that would just lead to confusion for anyone who didn't see it or who is reviewing the thread long after it's gone. It's not as easy as binary, it's more like a gradient.
IIRC Raffles' threads weren't deleted for the most part, just locked and moved away from public sight.
I suppose we could edit your posts so that EVERYTHING is ontopic and all the offtopic text is removed, but who would want that? It's total thought-police stuff. Made a hilarious joke? OH BUT IT'S NOT ON TOPIC, GOODBYE JOKE. Nobody wants that.
It's all very complicated, and retrospect I really should have checked the private forum first, lololol.
Now, I have a weekend to be away for. Convention time!
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Now, I can't speak on behalf of the whole staff, but I have always thought deleting posts/threads is just a step too far.
But then again, it depends. If a thread goes Off-Topic after the first post and remains for several posts, the thread should be just deleted. Of course, if there's only like 4 Off-Topic posts on a 2 page thread, then just locking it is good.
Deleting an individual post as soon as it happened, maybe. Deleting an individual post after it's been referred to and quoted for pages, that would just lead to confusion for anyone who didn't see it or who is reviewing the thread long after it's gone.
Well, of course you're not going to delete an Off-Topic post that is few days old. Only posts that have been made the same day.
I suppose we could edit your posts so that EVERYTHING is ontopic and all the offtopic text is removed, but who would want that? It's total thought-police stuff.
Depending how Off-Topic the rest of a post can be, Editing can be good. That or when someone bypass the censor outside of Unmod, maybe...
But this, of course, is just my opinion.
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Thought Police?
(I'm reading 1984 right now for english next year... >.>)
I know that of late I have been posting on the spammy side, but I've tried to keep on topic while doing so... if that makes any sense.
Plus, I hardly ever see a mod actually modding anymore. o.o Its weird.
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I went to work and there were a million posts.
The policy has usually been that deleting posts is generally something the staff tries not to do. Were also trying to keep things enjoyable and whatnot.
I think much of this off topicness has happened pretty gradually. The staff that ARE active try to do what they can.
Things have picked up around here a bit, and there has been some confusion here and there...between new members, and the various forum changes,
and were really trying to keep things enjoyable for everyone. If that means that you want a stricter staff policy on spam then I dont see a problem with it.
I generally try not having to resort to a topic being locked. As a mod, in a sense the whole goal is NOT to have to lock a thread, and get the conversation back on track.
I dont think I even have an opinion or not, regarding the effectiveness of additional moderators. I dont see any Immediate benefit right now, as any mod chosen (after this thread is done with) will feel the need to be a heavy handed mod-nazi. I think we can ALL (members, and staff) make an effort to keep things on track.
And also: Unmod Needs to be destroyed. Deleted completely.
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And also: Unmod Needs to be destroyed. Deleted completely.
You are dead to me Gem.
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I'll be honest: Unmod is really encouraging the stuff we don't like. However, deleting it may cause spam to leak out more than it already is. Do posts in Unmod count toward your total? Because making them not count could try and bring down the spam a bit.
I am actually trying to fix everything that's going on here. I apparently had the power to cause it, so I must have the power to put an end to it. Right?
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Nope.
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I'll be honest: Unmod is really encouraging the stuff we don't like. However, deleting it may cause spam to leak out more than it already is. Do posts in Unmod count toward your total? Because making them not count could try and bring down the spam a bit.
I am actually trying to fix everything that's going on here. I apparently had the power to cause it, so I must have the power to put an end to it. Right?
Of course you have the power to stop it- just like Pandora.
And yeah, really, guys, lay off the sex jokes on Phayre. Just because she's female doesn't mean she's fair game.
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I'm proud to say I have never made a sex joke. Well, hetero sex joke.
Also, are there still bonks or not?
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No, we have no bonks. I miss them. Perhaps at some point they'll return, but for now I must only lament
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I still have a screenshot of my first bonk if anyone wants it. You know... for memory purposes.
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The policy has usually been that deleting posts is generally something the staff tries not to do.
Well, then again, it would depends... but I guess Warnings and Locks might be better than Deleting. Except for those damn "DNC" posts in "Whoever posts last win"!
The staff that ARE active try to do what they can.
The increased amount of spam shows it wasn't enough. Not saying staff aren't doing their job, but maybe they weren't strict enough.
If that means that you want a stricter staff policy on spam then I dont see a problem with it.
I do.
I generally try not having to resort to a topic being locked. As a mod, in a sense the whole goal is NOT to have to lock a thread, and get the conversation back on track.
Of course, a Warning is better than instant Lock for some threads. But some, like Requests that start to be spammed after it has ben fulfilled should, in my opinion, be locked instantly. I'd prefer having the spam deleted, but I guess no one agrees.
I dont think I even have an opinion or not, regarding the effectiveness of additional moderators. I dont see any Immediate benefit right now, as any mod chosen (after this thread is done with) will feel the need to be a heavy handed mod-nazi. I think we can ALL (members, and staff) make an effort to keep things on track.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I'll be honest: Unmod is really encouraging the stuff we don't like. However, deleting it may cause spam to leak out more than it already is. Do posts in Unmod count toward your total? Because making them not count could try and bring down the spam a bit.
Making posts not count would be a good idea. I'd like to see how much some members's Post Count would drop, then...
I'm proud to say I have never made a sex joke. Well, hetero sex joke.
Also, are there still bonks or not?
Hah! Proud to say I've never made any sex joke, hetero or homo!
And what are Bonks? It reminds me something... was it, like, a Warning sent to member, kinda like a PM, when they spammed or such?
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I still have a screenshot of my first bonk if anyone wants it. You know... for memory purposes.
Post it all over unmod. Who knows if you'll get the chance later? :p
And yeah Cerebus, that's basically what they were. They popped up the minute you did anything on charas so you couldn't avoid them.
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Ah, yeah, now I remember hearing about it. Well... reading.
Aslo... why is the "Mod Activity Log File" not working? Trying to hide it, uh?
Nah, seriously, I guess the link's just broken...
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the log file, im assuming, is down on account of the server change. Every now and again we'll run into something that falls under a similar category.
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And yeah, really, guys, lay off the sex jokes on Phayre. Just because she's female doesn't mean she's fair game.
It's supposed to be playful harassment, but it does seem to be getting old. Or are you just saying that because you don't get that kind of attention?
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Ok, no more then.
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It was playfull harassment at one point. And now its a bunch of akward and wierd.
I dunno, Im 27. I find teenage flirtation to be uncomfortable at best.
If nothing else, knock it off for old man gemini's sake.
whippersnappers.
Wait no. Cut it out for Phayres sake. Its disrespectfull, and futile. because we all know there is no girls on the internet.
Im thinking before anything gets out of hand, Im going to announce that Harassment of this nature wont even get a warning from me. Ill just lay down a 3 day Ban. Especially since TWO of our contributing femal members have already professed a displease in these comments.
Yeah. Dont be creeps. Bans will follow.
EDIT: Unless of course this stance is decided agaqinst by my superiors.
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Now that's strict. I support this!
Also... any plan on restoring the Mod Activity Log File? Or is it even possible?
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That one is out of my hands.
Just for the record, I'm not trying to be strict town USA.
I'm thinking that as far as that sort of thing goes, now that this has been brought to everyone's attention, there is no need to issue an Official warning about this. Now that a couple of the ladies here have stated that it makes them uncomfortable, I don't think there is any need for that sort of talk to continue. I'm not going to let some idiot alienate our contributing female members.
However, that being said, the female members DO have to take into consideration, that this IS the internet, and Sometimes these things happen. That doesn't make it right, but it happens.
Id appreciate if you wouldn't say things like "Now that's strict. I support this!". Erm wait...Not so much that. I appreciate that people have some concerns regarding staff policy...And We do appreciate having these concerns voiced, and brought to our attention. But I'm getting the Impression that you want to spearhead some kind of mass staff reform around here. I think there are more constructive ways of going about accomlishing this general sense of focus that the forum is lacking. You seem to be trying to instigate some sort of staff contempt among people, which I don't understand. The last few months, the active staff have all been trying to increase forum activity and participation...And in doing so we may have overlooked other duties that required attention... But to try and sew the seeds of contempt with Little remarks like
"Aslo... why is the "Mod Activity Log File" not working? Trying to hide it, uh?
Nah, seriously, I guess the link's just broken..." seems counterproductive. That is not to say that I don't respect the goal you are trying to accomplish. But it does seem that you favor some sort of apartheid between members and staff, which from what i've understood, was a policy we have been trying to avoid. Obviously we are now in a position where staff needs to re-asses our policies to reflect what members want..And we are doing that. None of the staff have come out saying we think that these are poor ideas, and none of them have come out and said GTFO
In a forum with stricter Mods, this sort of discussion wouldn't have happened. We would have told you not to question the policies regarding Moderation.
There's a bit of Irony there. I guess we need to find the happy Medium.
PS; Apologies if I sounded Condescending with this Post, as that certainly wasn't my intent. I'm just trying to be as honest and blunt as I can be in my situation.
No offense Cerebus
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Man, I don't know why people want tougher moderation, just watch yourselves. Ever been to pokecharms? I was there for maybe two weeks and, while I hate to use the term "Nazi mods" due to the sheer faggotry of it, the distinction and elitism between members and moderators was amazing. I saw people banned because they would say "Man, I love Yu-Gi-Oh!" when speaking about a Yugi sprite because it wasn't about the sprite. Twas rediculous.
Summary: Everyone shut up.
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No offense taken. It's all good. I spoke my mind, you spoke yours.
But that line :
"Aslo... why is the "Mod Activity Log File" not working? Trying to hide it, uh?
Nah, seriously, I guess the link's just broken..."
I was joking, of course I know staffs weren't trying to hide it. Maybe it was misplaced. If so, I apologies.
And..:
"You seem to be trying to instigate some sort of staff contempt among people, which I don't understand."
I'm not sure I understand this correctly... do you means that it looks like I'm trying to give Staff a bad name amongst members, or something like that? If so, well, it wasn't my intention and I apologies.
Last :
"Id appreciate if you wouldn't say things like "Now that's strict. I support this!".
Ahem, sorry. I guess it was just another misplaced comment. Heh...
Man, I don't know why people want tougher moderation, just watch yourselves.
Because I do watch myself, some others don't. If these others watch themselves, then it's fine.
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Sweet. Glad we understand eachother. Sorry if I misunderstood the points you were making
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We have Active Mods. Not a lot, around 3 to 5, I think, which should be enough, but there was still spam, meaning Mods weren't strict enough. So I'd still prefer stricter Mods. I won't say no to more active Mods for Boards such as AoA, because Midnight isn't there, and replacing innactive Mods too. SMB and all deserve a place in the forum, yes, but not as Mods, in my opinion.
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SMB, Carmen and Stuff need some kind of Award or Title like "Forum Legend" or something, but they shouldn't be mods. It gets confusing.
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That's a good idea. Keep the memories of them alive while not letting the unaware think that they're still all-important demi-gods or something.
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Deleting posts is not cool. PErhaps a system where a mod would warn/redirect back to topic a couple times, and if it didn't get back on topic or branch into a new topic, the thread would be locked. I know it's harsh, but things would be easier to navigate and it would be easier to figure out what you wanted.
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Deleting posts is not cool. PErhaps a system where a mod would warn/redirect back to topic a couple times, and if it didn't get back on topic or branch into a new topic, the thread would be locked. I know it's harsh, but things would be easier to navigate and it would be easier to figure out what you wanted.
The thing I don't understand about this is WHY does it have to be a mod that has to redirect the topic? Why can't anyone redirect the topic? Years back I once tried to tell two people fighting to stop because it was ruining the thread and I was interested in the thread, and I got from some mod (probably not a mod anymore), "Yes, coasterkrazy, that's true but don't be a minimod." I'm sorry, but what exactly is the problem with a member of the community trying to help other members of the community by saying the same thing that mods can say? I mean, I always figured mods were chosen as people who could logically make good decisions about locking/deleting topics and deleting/editing posts when needed. I never understood why it meant only they could tell people to stop spamming, flaming or fighting. To me, a thread owner is the highest priority in his or her thread, and mods are there to assist that person should extreme action need to be taken (banning, locking, deleting, etc). As for deleting posts not being cool, I completely agree. I like the idea of moving forward rather than having to revert to that method.
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Yeah, I dont personally see a reason that a member cant give the odd "Stfu and quit spamming please"
Its the apathy and complacence that leads to the spam in the first place, correct?
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I dunno, I used to say that to people quite often and it somehow always backfired.
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Well, the way we did was a bit more "Shut up and get your mom off the dog" than they coulda been.
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Ahh.. the good old days when we were the most awesome team ever and I was always on msn.
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Sorry dudes. this topic is pretty much played out. Take your gay flame rekindling elsewhere. And videotape it.
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Dude, I miss you :(
Anyways, this topic doesn't need to be open anymore does it? Appointment possibilities are up.