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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Archem on September 12, 2008, 03:04:39 AM
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On the evolution topic, it has been proven that people are becoming more and more insane. Insane as in... the common morals that people follow to maintain a civil lifestyle are being less and less understood as time progresses.
I blame atheism. Without faith in a God, people lack a reason to follow rules of morality. This insight has nothing to do with my religious standings (I do believe I've stepped into the realm of agnosticism), it's just going by what my logic concludes.
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I blame atheism. Without faith in a God, people lack a reason to follow rules of morality. This insight has nothing to do with my religious standings (I do believe I've stepped into the realm of agnosticism), it's just going by what my logic concludes.
I find this hard to believe. If a person only does what is right because they fear the wrath their god may inflict upon them, then how good are they really? You should be good to other people because you know it is the right thing to do and want to do it.
But then I woke up.
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If a person only does what is right because they fear the wrath their god may inflict upon them, then how good are they really?
I believe this adds backing to my point. The reason that people are becoming less moral is because they don't have the fear of God in them. But let's not drag this much further off topic than this thread already is. If you want to continue this debate in another thread, be my guest. It could be fun.
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That's a terrible lie. It's bad parenting is what it is.
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But if it's bad parenting, what causes them to be bad parents? What have they been exposed to that causes that?
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I believe this adds backing to my point. The reason that people are becoming less moral is because they don't have the fear of God in them. But let's not drag this much further off topic than this thread already is. If you want to continue this debate in another thread, be my guest. It could be fun.
I think it's rather "The reason that people are becoming less moral is because they don't fear to be executed by their king."
Lack of real punishment and increasing population results with people acting against society. Especially those parents who spoil their kids and are afraid to tell them that they are doing wrong in order to be loved in return.
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You could research it and just find out that it is a chemical inbalance....
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Everything is a chemical imbalance. Neutrality is when it's all balanced.
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o.0 That's lame. So when a Christian woman kills someone in the name of the lord, then what's her reason Archem?
It's not always bad parenting. Some are amazing parents with bad seeds. It's hard to know your kid is killing the neighborhood animals. Remember the first Michael movie?
As for morals, my Socialogy class spoke of this. There was a study on some tribe. Usually everyone agrees, like a mob. But what makes those few people within the tribe disagree? Morals. So it's believed that we are born with morals, some listen, others ignore it.
Currently, most parents are busy paying bills and don't have time.
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o.0 That's lame. So when a Christian woman kills someone in the name of the lord, then what's her reason Archem?
Err... She thought god wanted her to do it? I can't see what you were trying to prove there...
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Err... She thought god wanted her to do it? I can't see what you were trying to prove there...
I've seen people get out of jailtime because of this.
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XD Seriously? Oh man. That's so wrong.
If you were using that as a counterpoint to my post, by the way, then you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm pretty sure you weren't, though...
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No counterpoint intended.
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Err... She thought god wanted her to do it? I can't see what you were trying to prove there...
Archem said atheists lacl morals and basically are going to kill because they don't believe in a god.
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Here's the irony Mid, a 100% dedicated true atheist would. The morals that govern modern society are based on the set of morals laid forth by the Bible. Laws are all based upon what is right and what is wrong a decided by religion. An atheist that is absolutely opposed to religion would then blow off all laws and morality as being based off of religion. It's not a fear of God, its the fear of the others around them. If you were, say, in the middle east and could beat a woman, you might because it is condoned, where as in the US you wouldn't for fear of social stigmatization.
Long story short, atheism is a religion and until they become anarchist nihilists are really just the same as everyone else.
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Archem said atheists lacl morals and basically are going to kill because they don't believe in a god.
That's not what I said, but I can see how you got that. I'm saying that the concept lacks the fear of a supernatural power should you not follow the "rules". I'm not saying that all atheists lack morality, just that there's nothing to fear, so morality becomes more of a personal choice rather than a forced belief. As for killing in the name of the Lord, that's either brainwashing, tyranny at work, or the chemical imbalance I previously mentioned.
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OMG I thought you wrote "trannies at work." XD My bads.
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OMG I thought you wrote "trannies at work." XD My bads.
Derned transvestites corrupting our religious leaders with their jobs. XD
Oh, right, and I agree with Archem at least 100%. That might just have to do with me being a christ-fag, though.
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Fanatics and sects can easilly get people to do things by telling them that it's righteous and then over and over explain why it would be justified.
Being in a sects is pretty much the same as a religion, the only differene is that one of them was founded to get money. Another grand difference between religion and sect is that a sect would fall apart if they would've been able to get everyone to be a part of it. In most sects the main mission is to reqruit people after all.
Back on this new topic.
Yes, people today chose if they want to feel sympathy and empathy towards other people, and unfortunatly there aren't many who does. Just playing WoW can prove that.
You see a group of monsters gathered around a chest, you want that chest and engage in bloody combat. When there are like 1 monster left with 1/2 hp there is someone running into the camp and opens the chest in front of your eyes. No respect for the other players there.
But the things is, if a person - not being a part of a religion decides not to care about his morality, that's probably because his parents didn't bash it into his head hard enough. Most parents are to busy with work or are just too soft, or the other way around.
So we blame parents and society. Especially movies and such that kids find so cool when some guy just kick some other guy because he wants to and walks away laughing.
And many things have been done in the name of the lord, I doubt it was because of brainwashing and that, the ones who did it just convinced themself that it had to be done or the world would end up in ruin.
Why havn't this turned out as another topic-split btw? We are no longer disscusing AIDS.
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Topic has not been split, so much as rent asunder.
In my opinion most religion is a negative thing. It's a way for people to cloud the judgment of others. There is no higher power - this is earth, we have life, and that's all.
People who pray get on my frigging nerves. Christians in particular are always spouting the "God has plans for your life, that's why bad things happen" mantra, so the faith that said plans are so unimportant that God will change them if you pray and ask him to seems pretty hypocritical.
In fact Christianity as a whole is retarded. It's always thought of as the "nice" religion. The sane one that doesn't practice bombing people in the name of God or anything sinister like that. Yet people can brainwash others, be fanatical believers to the point of blind stupidity, and persecute those who lack their zealous faith. Christianity is one of the most dangerous religions going.
Society is going down the tubes because people are open-minded enough to see that we don't need religion. This is where civilisation collapsing becomes a good thing.
Only positive religion: Buddhism.
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Buddhism is basically "You can do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't cause harm to others."
THAT is how a religion should be.
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Awesome to know I wasn't the only one thinking Buddhism will be the only working religion in a decade or two.
(So to speak.)
But, in my opinion, if anything is ruining our faith in morality, it's money and success.
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Just like Christianity Buddihsm have many different branches.
We got cathoholics, protestants, jehovas, mormons, Word of life you name it.
Saying that all of them are alike is wrong. Same goes for Buddhism, there are different ways of practising pretty mich the same thing. I don't know all the specific details but I know that some parts insist that Buddha is indeed the son of God while others say that he isn't.
And unilke Cathoholics protestantism is more open, "lift a rock and you'll find him, break a twig and he is there". I think that's one of the best ways to describe it.
Protestants don't confess their sins or beg for redemption, neither do they go to church every sunday. it's more like christianity, but with more freedom to speak your mind and have your own oppinions. You won't be met by "heracy!!!! burn the devilspawn!!" if question something.(Maybe some members does, but that's not the actual religion).
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TOPIC SPLITS ARE AMAZING.
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I honestly think religion is the cause of more bloodshed than anything else. Oh, except for rap music. On the surface religion supports good morals and values, but when people live too "by the book" concerning religion fights start over who's religion is right and things go downhill. Taking religion, any religion too literally is dangerous simply becuase there are so many things in the bible, that muslim book, etc, that can be taken more than one way and in several cases an OPPOSITE context.
Screw it, I say. I don't like talking about religion becuase all the overly religious people I know act like cultists. I don't base the way I act upon a fear of god, I just have an idea of how I'd feel if someone did to me what I do to them. The golden rule, rules.
The main reason people act the way they do these days is because their parents didnt kick their asses enough early on. Oh.. and because people who can't even speak right (nelly), and people who THINK they're badass because they got shot (50 cent), dominate the popular music scene. That's the REAL problem. If you can't talk, you shouldn't sing, and you aren't cool because you got shot, you're just an idiot.
How's that for a topic split.
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50 cent is like Jesus. He's constantly getting shot but he keeps coming back.
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I wouldn't mind seeing 50 cent nailed to a cross :Plight:
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Buddhism is basically "You can do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't cause harm to others."
THAT is how a religion should be.
You know, Satanism is the same way. If you look into it, you see that most of what you know about it is bullshit made up to make it look bad in comparison to other religions.
Weird ****, no?
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Satanism is pretty much "You mess with my ****, you pay for my ****." Buddhism is tolerance, understanding, so on and such. Satanism is if I think you have done me wrong, I'll kill you.
It may not be what it's been made out to be, but it sure as hell isn't peaceful.
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Religion is only useful to teach people common moral values. If it no longer does that, it should be discarded.
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Satanism is pretty much "You mess with my ****, you pay for my ****." Buddhism is tolerance, understanding, so on and such. Satanism is if I think you have done me wrong, I'll kill you.
It may not be what it's been made out to be, but it sure as hell isn't peaceful.
I meant in the "You can do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't cause harm to others" way. Not necessarily peaceful.
Well, hey, it's even pretty peaceful. It's not so much aggressive as it is "eye for an eye". I'm all for that. It's also pretty much religion for the atheist, since it doesn't condone belief in a higher power or whatever.
Wow, it's a little scary that we're talking about Satanism in a more positive light.
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Just like Christianity Buddihsm have many different branches.
We got cathoholics, protestants, jehovas, mormons, Word of life you name it.
Saying that all of them are alike is wrong. Same goes for Buddhism, there are different ways of practising pretty mich the same thing. I don't know all the specific details but I know that some parts insist that Buddha is indeed the son of God while others say that he isn't.
Really? I thought all buddhists were atheists...
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Yeah, Buddhism is separated. While a lot of it isn't the belief in God, I believe that their is a belief in a god, or at least a higher power. They do not believe in the Catholic/Christian God though.
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My God has a bigger dick than your God.
-George Carlin
Anyways... If Christianity is based off of Judaism, yet the Jews are often persecuted by Christians, don't they still have the same God, or at least the same concept of God? But then, Christians have damnation to worry about, don't they? Hmm.
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Anyways... If Christianity is based off of Judaism, yet the Jews are often persecuted by Christians, don't they still have the same God, or at least the same concept of God? But then, Christians have damnation to worry about, don't they? Hmm.
Also, biblically, Jesus was the "King of the Jews", but Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus. Mindfuck.
Satanism, as Zeek says, is basically an eye for an eye, which in my opinion is a very good principle. You do me a favour, I'll do you a favour. You hurt me, I'll hurt you. Ever heard that old "treat others as you would like to be treated" thing? Satanic practice, right there.
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Yeah. The reason behind Christianity is that Jews refused to accept Jesus as their messiah, and the people that did decided to change a bunch of the "rules". Dunno why.
If I were to really pick a religion for myself, I'd pick Satanism just because it's got so much that I agree with. Besides, it's a great conversation starter, and I'm a huge fan of controversy.
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That, and doesn't Satanism actually have very little do with Satan? IIRC the most there is is "you can worship me if you want" but even that might not be there.
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If I remember from this nifty book I read, modern Satanism was dubbed as such just because it's against everything that religion stands for. Traditional Satanism however is the worship of Satan as a god.
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The original publication of The Book of Satanism must be the earliest work of modern Satanism, then. I don't think I actually recall any work that asked for praise to Satan, come to think of it... The only reason I remember the Satanic religion being named after Satan was as a way of denying God. If you worship Satan, you deny God, and if you deny God, you deny religion, and eventually, atheism surfaces.
Something like that. I'm not a religious scholar, so I don't know all the details.