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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Zerlina on October 08, 2008, 02:12:39 AM
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Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm just wondering what everyone thinks of the recession that seems to be all over the news (at least here in Canada anyway).
What's interesting is that both the U.S. and Canada are doing federal elections right now. It seems that on both sides of the border this will be an extremely important decision we make. Do you believe that any political party could help ease the recession (or "depression" as the newspapers are calling it...a local paper said we're past the point of recession).
What do you think the effects will be in other continents?
What have people in other continents already felt?
Do you think it's being blown out of proportion or that it's much worse than people are letting on?
(Sorry if there's a topic on this already. If there is, I missed it)
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I dunno. I'm not panicking, but its easy to tell that, here at least, it's becoming much more difficult to find even part-time employment. I think that a large problem is that people are responding in a very similar fashion to the economic depression in the last 20's and 30's. Pull out all your money, stop spending money. All it does is cause the economy to go stagnant.
I think that, as we are right now in America, the democratic party will not help. Tax cuts and increased federal spending for welfare and aid can only exacerbate the problem in an economy. Personally, I hate how middle of the road all of us are here. Either have high taxes with federal aid, or low-income or even solely spending taxes with minimal government aid. When you try and form aid programs for a nation full of morons that don't realize it can't be done without taxes, it's all trouble.
What really concerns me is how near socialism we seem to be getting. One of the candidates has proposed lower class tax cuts and higher class tax increases, along with increased federal aid. Meaning the rich take care of the poor. Personally, I love the idea behind communism and fully appreciate the initial purpose for which it was developed by Marx and the early effects it had as Leninism in the early 1900's, but I'm not enough of a fool to think that by any stretch of the imagination it could ever work as long as man is running it. There is no such thing as a true Utopia, and I wish people would realize this.
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We need another Clinton. He may have been a crappy person, but he was an excellent leader.
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I can't remember Clinton
I just remember hating Bush
Anyways, I'll start worrying when either A) I randomly impregnate some chick or B) I graduate
Right now, all I'm really worrying about is not sucking at math
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I think that, as we are right now in America, the democratic party will not help. Tax cuts and increased federal spending for welfare and aid can only exacerbate the problem in an economy. Personally, I hate how middle of the road all of us are here. Either have high taxes with federal aid, or low-income or even solely spending taxes with minimal government aid. When you try and form aid programs for a nation full of morons that don't realize it can't be done without taxes, it's all trouble.
Most Americans seem to be worrying about what will effect them most personally, and they don't really take into consideration what else may happen. They just see that their life will be easier if Obama leads. People have never liked the idea of paying **** that they don't care about, or don't know anything about, and most of us idiots are one of those two. We either don't care, or have no idea what's going on. Then there's people who aren't either, like you, oh brilliant one, who know where their dollar is going. In the end, it seems that democracy allows a country to be 'united' but what sucks is, most of those 'uniting' us are dipshits...
And yeah, every word of your communism thing is true, too.
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Don't care. At all. Everything will be fine, because the rest of the world can't afford the after-effects of having a nation as important as the US collapse. If all else fails, we'll be loaned a bunch of money by other countries.
Of course, that's assuming that we can't rebound and fix it all ourselves. I think that seems likely.
Oh, and Canada, too. I'm way down in Texas, so the only thing we ever hear regarding Canada is when a cold front is heading our way. That's some important-*** news.
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Archem, I lol'd.
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Don't care. At all. Everything will be fine, because the rest of the world can't afford the after-effects of having a nation as important as the US collapse. If all else fails, we'll be loaned a bunch of money by other countries.
Of course, that's assuming that we can't rebound and fix it all ourselves. I think that seems likely.
Oh, and Canada, too. I'm way down in Texas, so the only thing we ever hear regarding Canada is when a cold front is heading our way. That's some important-*** news.
It's true other nations can't afford it. But it looks like the U.S. is eyeing Iran now, and it doesn't seem like the international community would be happy to pour money into a country, only to have it spent on another war. I'm not sure what the standings are in Iran, though, because I don't really follow American politics too closely. From what I understand McCain is looking more at Iran than Obama is? Or is it the other way around? Maybe someone from the U.S. could enlighten us on the subject. Right now all the news we have from teh U.S. is about the election (and saturday night live).
In terms of the Canadian recession, we're going through a recession because the U.S. is. We have a lot of investments in the U.S. and a lot of trade between us. Especially with the oil in Alberta. So whatever the international community decides to do for the U.S. will affect us too.
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McCain is looking at Iran more than Obama in terms of the proliferation of nuclear technology to the region. I highly doubt any type of actual war in Iran, especially with the way popular opinion of Iraq has gone.
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Only thing I have heard, here in Europe, is that Bush asked the European Union (or was it UN) to help them aid the US. Personally, I notice nothing =P
But yeah, if the US wants to start another war, it won't get very popular with the other countries. I think they won't though. Would be quite foolish.
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I thought so too. And at least from what I've heard, I'd assume the American public is largely opposed to anotehr war. So why are all of these talks of Iran and nuclear weapons etc going on? Again, we don't get too much American news here...
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Well, I think a good R.E.M quote is needed now: "It's the end of the world as we know it."
Seriously, it seems pretty fucked up to me, I can't see what's going to happen.
Plus, I just do not understand the maket that well, specially after it became a real being, with sentiments and all...The market is angry, the market is agitated, the market was down today...WTF? What's next? The Market met John Google (the one guy at google that does our searches) today to discuss the Economic Crisis. The Market had a Big Mac, served by Ronald McDonald himself, and John Google had fried griffon wings, served by Rocky and Wonderwoman.
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Recession? No, we're just as strong as ever!
[\POLITICAL BULLSHIT]
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I personally think its funny how everyone was all "Global Warming must be stopped" and "Go Green" but now it all seems to have been forgotten because money is involved
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But yeah, if the US [politicians] wants to start another war[...]
Fix'd. Because people don't like war, and politicians aren't people.
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I thought so too. And at least from what I've heard, I'd assume the American public is largely opposed to anotehr war. So why are all of these talks of Iran and nuclear weapons etc going on? Again, we don't get too much American news here...
From what I've heard, McCain wants to invade Iran, because they have nukes. You know, like Iraq did. America is the only country allowed to have nukes.
This provides a good opportunity for America to take control of Iran's oil fields and bleed it absolutely dry to keep the economy on life support for a little while longer. That's why everything Middle East related happens.
Banks: stop giving credit to people willy-nilly. That ruins your cash flow. Government: stop taking people's oil. We don't care what excuses you have.
It doesn't seem to be hitting us massively hard over here. As long as I have my tea and my better-than-the-rest-of-the-word smugness, I'm fine.
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I wish I had a nice, tall glass of that smugness...
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I wish I had a nice, tall glass of that smugness...
Move to Europe. We've got gallons of that for a low price.
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Is everyone forgetting that Canada isn't a real country.
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Move to Europe. We've got gallons of that for a low price.
That's probably the first time I've heard the word "gallon" and "low price" used in the same sentence in a long time.
This provides a good opportunity for America to take control of Iran's oil fields and bleed it absolutely dry to keep the economy on life support for a little while longer. That's why everything Middle East related happens.
Nice message in there ^_~
As for our political scene, right now it looks like the Conservatives are going to win a minority government. Right now that's the best I can hope for since for a while it was looking like they'd have a majority. The liberals are about 10% behind in the polls, but when you add their support with the NDP, Greens, and the BQ, there's enough to stop the Conservatives from winning the majority.
I still can't believe our prime minister is denying the fact that we are in a recession. We all know it. The other political parties know it. Why does Harper have to try to convey the "cool and collected" image. Even conservatives, I find, are annoyed by the fact taht he does not acknowledge the state of the economy.
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We need another Clinton. He may have been a crappy person, but he was an excellent leader.
QFT
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I kinda liked Clinton as a person... He's like my kind of guy.
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I kinda liked Clinton as a person... He's like my kind of guy.
I did not have sexual relationships with Miss blahblah.
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Ok, ok. I did.
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For those of you who think America's problems are just america's problems, you're wrong. Your economic problems have basically screwed us up too because our banks were stupid enough to invest in you.
I can't say I'm an expert in the subject but most of us in Britain, except apparently the people where Stu lives, have been noticing that the price of a glass of smugness has been rising steadily.
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For those of you who think America's problems are just america's problems, you're wrong. Your economic problems have basically screwed us up too because our banks were stupid enough to invest in you
For Canada, Mexico and all of Souther America, I'd like to change America in US. =P Kinslayer would have wanted it that way.
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I can't say I'm an expert in the subject but most of us in Britain, except apparently the people where Stu lives, have been noticing that the price of a glass of smugness has been rising steadily.
Our food prices have gone up a bit. Apart from that nothing much is happening.
Oh, and my building society went broke and has been taken over by Nationwide.
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I for one am pissed. The conversion rate has changed so the Australian Dollar that was worth 97 US cents has fallen right down to 66 cents.
I hope this all gets fixed before Left4Dead comes out, I don't wanna be paying so much more for it.
Just checked: it's currently 65.3099 cents, apparently.
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For those of you who think America's problems are just america's problems, you're wrong. Your economic problems have basically screwed us up too because our banks were stupid enough to invest in you.
I can't say I'm an expert in the subject but most of us in Britain, except apparently the people where Stu lives, have been noticing that the price of a glass of smugness has been rising steadily.
The Canadian Imperial Bank fo Commerce's stocks have plummeted too, because they had large investments in the American mortgate market.
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wah wah.
We do something wrong and everyone bitches. Go do something for yourself ya cocks.
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I for one am pissed. The conversion rate has changed so the Australian Dollar that was worth 97 US cents has fallen right down to 66 cents.
I hope this all gets fixed before Left4Dead comes out, I don't wanna be paying so much more for it.
Just checked: it's currently 65.3099 cents, apparently.
That sucks major ***, dude. And from what I understand, you fellas overpay like bitches for game as it is. And comparing your currency to the dollar? I thought we were low enough as it is! We might have to stop making peso jokes and start making AUS dollar jokes!
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Wow.
1) Clinton wasn't a good president, he just so happened to be in office when the industry of IT boomed, which helped the US economy a shitload. And Clinton himself wasn't the reason for this, it was companies, because you know, the whole concept of how the US works is competition.
2) IT was the big industry in the last decade, but now it's not. There isn't one anymore.
3) About 30 years ago moms and dads told their kids "Don't be like us, get a college education, you'll have a much better life this way, rather than working in a factory."
4) Because of this, America more or less said **** industry and the only reason things stabilized was the industry of IT
5) Because IT is everywhere now, and there isn't any industry in the US because it all moved overseas, the employment here is ****ing terrible
a) another big reason for industry moving overseas was due to all the regulations and expense put on by the EPA. Factory CEO's pretty much said ****
this, I can establish another factory in some other country for less money, and not have to worry about the EPA riding our ***.
b) ironically enough, these industries were in fact established in other countries and in many there aren't any environmental regulations. so the environment is being fucked anyway, and the US lost a big chunk of $ because of this
6) Democrats think it's smart to tax the rich. I myself am middle class, and yeah it'd be great to have tax cuts. But think about it. $250k+ salaries = Corporations. People are stupid, they don't realize that "The Big Bad Corporations" are essentially the foundation of this ****ing country. It's an elementary principle: Company is established in region, people brought to region for work, people brought to that region need shelter and resources, housing occurs, supermarkets for wants and necessities are built which also bring in more people for jobs, then shopping centers which bring in ppl, etc etc until a community is established. If these companies are taxed up the ***, they're gonna give this country the middle finger and leave. Know what happens then? Those communities turn into **** holes. I know this, I live in the suburbs of Cleveland. There's a big Chevy and Ford plant in another suburb even nearer to Cleveland, and if that place shuts down, that suburb is gonna be the next inner Cleveland.
7) The price of gas has actually decreased $1+ per gallon here, and as cool as people think that is, it's not good at all. Because the US economy is in a shithole, people don't want to spend money. This is hurting the economy, and even entertainment has become a lot less important. People are buying gas for pure necessity, they fill up the tank to go to and from work and do some shopping every now and then, but that's it. So Oil Companies are like oh ****, the demand for gas has decreased. Lower the prices so people will buy it more often. Low demand = lower prices. Wow, big ****ing surprise that is! They haven't decreased because of the elections, frankly the executive nor legislative branch in the US have power over this. So to the people who say gas prices increased because of Bush, go to ****ing school, the goverment didn't have anything to do with it.
8) So, because there isn't industry and no jobs here, the economy has faltered. And on top of this, over the years people decided to buy houses that were way over what they could afford. Why was this allowed? Well that great guy Clinton that you all seem to like so much, and Democrats along with him, were all "Hey! Everyone should be able to buy a house, regardless of their credit!" So what happened? A bunch of douchetards were given loans by banks and couldn't pay them off. That money doesn't come from trees, and it put a huge dent in our economy.
9) There're only a few ways to get out of this recession. One way is taxing, but nobody wants more taxes. Another is spending, but because we're in a recession people are holding onto their money. The biggest thing that could help us is a new type of industry that brings in more employment. And with both candidates thinking that the one thing that could create another industry (this being the research and development of new forms of energy) should be a gov't operation just as the Manhattan Project was, I don't see this happening. And that's not good, because with the employment rate sinking and people being scared to buy ****, we're well on our way into a depression.
And if this is all tl;dr to you, then read this next part as it's the most important.
Obama = more goverment. McCain = not as much. Wanna know what more goverment means? It means less freedom. It means a bunch of rich people making decisions for you. It means going to the supermarket and seeing some of your favorite cereals with this awesome blue label that says "Now with whole grain guaranteed! And 99% less sugar!" It means Trix cereal changing into these little tasteless, boring little ****ing balls rather than a bunch of cool fruit shapes that made me have fun while eating as a kid. It means good tasting food is gonna taste like ****, because the government has mandated that good food should taste shitty because good food causes weight gain. What the ****? This doesn't solve obesity, fat people are just gonna eat more and more food. Fat people like to eat. And this is a free country, they should be allowed to eat. Now that the government has mandated all these damn regulations on good tasting food, not only are fat people affected, but I'm affected too. I'm not fat, but I sure as hell liked it when I took a spoonfull of Trix cereal and it was this awesome tasting amazingness in my mouth. Now it's like cardboard. What the ****!? I want my good tasting food back. This has probably affected the economy too! Since a bunch of food is being changed to taste like ****, nobody wants to buy it anymore! See? This is why more government is bad.
Btw, I'm not republican or democrat. And frankly both candidates kinda suck. Obama's just some faggot who talks in circles and forces various forms of the media to deep throat his dick. McCain is a war hero, and God knows I have the utmost respect in him. But I dunno. I'm definitely not voting for Obama though.
And btw btw, to the dude who said "Other countries will help the US, maybe even lend us money." Bull-****ing-****. Don't you know history? People refer to America as this big evil empire in the past century, right? Remember the Roman empire? Remember how a bunch of other countries probably felt the same way about the Roman Empire? Remember how Rome got itself into a really big economical and civil crisis and ultimately collapsed on itself? Remember how the Barbarians took advantage of this and moved in to take over? Yeah. It's not like countries just forgot about being occupational. The US is a damn good place for resources, probably one of the best in fact. No doubt other envy this, and no doubt there isn't someone just waiting for the opportune moment to move in and take the prize.
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Btw, I'm not republican or democrat. And frankly both candidates kinda suck. Obama's just some faggot who talks in circles and forces various forms of the media to deep throat his dick. McCain is a war hero, and God knows I have the utmost respect in him. But I dunno. I'm definitely not voting for Obama though.
Let's all vote for the cranky old man who keeps playing the "I'm a war hero and my second in command is a woman" card to garner the support of the proletariat, and wants to invade Iran and take over their oil fields because that will solve all America's problems.
By all means vote McCain and call Obama a faggot for wanting to negotiate instead of flinging napalm about, but don't come crying to the rest of the world when 9/11 gets a sequel.
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By all means vote McCain and call Obama a faggot for wanting to negotiate instead of flinging napalm about, but don't come crying to the rest of the world when 9/11 gets a sequel.
Negotiating only works when it's a mutual effort. You think Ahmadinejad is gonna be like "Oh, okay Mr. Obama sir, I won't attack Saudi Arabia because you asked so nicely. Here, have some cookies and tea while you're here." What kind of twisted fucked world do you live in? He hates Saudi Arabia, he's had many "Death to Saudi Arabia" speeches, and since America is a really good ally of SA, we're an enemy to Iran. There is no negotiating. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. In this case, that enemy is Iran, and that friend to the Saudi Arabians is the US.
I think that's what most people are missing. America isn't worried about Iran having nuclear technology to protect its own ***, we're worried that Iran will use it to destroy Saudi Arabia. And there's a lot of evidence, much of which comes straight from the horse's mouth, that they will do so. Seriously though, if there's another war it won't be with Iran. The bigger problem at the moment is Russia and its Putonist regime who seek to bring back the old Soviet Union and become "Mother Russia" again.
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Politics on Charas.
Gay, seriously. We're all to drama inclined.
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The saddest thing is that neither of you get to vote.
I do, but you guys don't.
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I'm not registered. That's the best way to make a difference in this election.
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I'm registered. Go me.
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...since America is a really good ally of SA...
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In this case, that enemy is Iran, and that friend to the Saudi Arabians is the US
I don't want to nag or anything, but what you're saying with that is not right. You're saying that Saudi Arabia is an ally and an enemy. Confusing.
Also got to disagree with the rest of your post. Negotiatons can help a lot. To me, it sounds stereotypical American what you are saying, and that is bad.
Also, and note that I don't know much about American presidents, but even if Clinton wasn't a great president, he did not do it as bad as Bush Junior AND Bush Senior. The only time America was in an economical rise in the last three presidentships was during Clinton his time and that can possible not only because of this IT company.
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I honestly hate both candidates, McCain more than Obama for being a prick, but they both suck just as much. Someone said it perfectly a couple pages back, politicians aren't people. Sarah Palin's a tool, McCain AND Obama look like Puppets and Joe Biden... Well you never really hear anything about him.
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Someone said it perfectly a couple pages back, politicians aren't people.
Yeah, that was me. (http://www.charas-project.net/forum/index.php?topic=23983.msg270358#msg270358) I think I'm working my way into being one of the most quotable people on The Charas.
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Meh, I wish so badly that Al Gore had won.
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I don't want to nag or anything, but what you're saying with that is not right. You're saying that Saudi Arabia is an ally and an enemy. Confusing.
Haha I know, I just watched an old episode of Stargate SG 1 where the Mayan god (who is an alien) says "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." I had a feeling it wouldn't make sense but I couldn't resist throwing it in there. :p
And in regards to other stuff you and other people said, meh, I'm bored with debating politics right now.
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I don't have the energy to talk about the rest of the wall of text above, but the one thing is that taxing the rich isn't a bad thing at all. Greedy people who get tax cuts and flourish in their business will continue their greedy ways and bend over the poor to fill their pockets. Capitalism works based on competition for success, but as of now, the elite have no competitors. They even get boatloads of money and government intervention when they break down because they've become so secure in their existence.
The idea is that taxing the rich grabs money from people who have too much of it. Will businesses be hurt and suffer by tax increases? Perhaps. That only forces them to become more competitive, to innovate and persevere instead of rotting in the comfort of their solid gold thrones.
One of the biggest common beliefs in the US is that someone coming from difficulty can be more successful in all situations and more adaptable than someone who came from an extravagant life. Hence why candidates try to push the blue collar working man stereotype in their speeches so much. If this is really true, why do we pamper the huge corporations instead of forcing them to stay on their toes?
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The only smart vote is the Nader vote, because you can trust a man that's been running for the last 5 elections or so and has never won. Seriously, though. Vote for Nader. The least evil of all parties involved, hehe political pun.
Also, McCain wants a draft, as I heard.
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I'm not scared of a draft. Most every other global nation has one, and we had one for 200 years.
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Yeah, drafts are only used in times of dire need to begin with, which is pretty fair if you ask me.
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Ok ok, I lost it. "Draft" Explain? =P
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Draft, conscription. A required term of military service.
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Yup. You either fight the war or go to jail.
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Ugh >.< Sounds stupid.
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It is. I'm extremely anti-military, personally. I'm fine with the people who want to fight fighting, but I refuse it for all circumstances. If a draft is ordered during my lifetime, and I'm ordered to serve, I'd much rather serve jail time than fight. Total pussy, I know, but I never agree with any conflict, especially on that scale.
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I agree with Archem 1,000% ****ing percent.
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And I agree with him 100%, because you can't really agree more than totally.
Forcing people into war is just... wrong. Unless, maybe, if it's your country that's being attacked.
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I still find that to be a maybe, because I can guarantee you that if a large-scale invasion were to occur in my country, I've got family in Mexico.
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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure if you're honestly and 100 percent non-violent, meaning you're a borderline hippie kinda deal, you can get out of the draft, in America. Or you could just say you're gay, 'cuz, you know, we're all a bunch of homophobes over here in America.
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Gays are too important to fight in a war. We wouldn't want one of our precious ***s to get hurt.
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I still find that to be a maybe, because I can guarantee you that if a large-scale invasion were to occur in my country, I've got family in Mexico.
Dude, seriously get out of America right now. Overall I'm against war, but if we were to be invaded it's not as much of a war as it is self-defense. You would just run to Mexico? You're a little coward dude, and I seriously hope you don't plan on dating the opposite sex because based on that response, you are in no position whatsoever to protect and care for a woman. It's this kind of attitude that has thrown America into a crap hole. There isn't any humanitarianism anymore. People would rather run away from a situation that, in their mind they aren't involved in, just to save their own ***, instead of doing something to help someone else. What a shitty thing to say man, if you don't believe in preserving this country's ideals, get the **** out already.
Btw drenrin, I'm pretty sure the only way you can get out of the draft with a Conscientious Objector status, you have to be able to prove it with facts based on your lifestyle previous to the claim. So for instance, if you were involved in a fight with someone (and it was documented) and you try to claim CO status, saying it's against your religion or something, the government will say you're full of **** and throw you in jail if you still refuse induction. The only way you can get out of fighting in the war, as well as going to jail, is having a record that more or less has saint written all over it. And actually, I don't think saying you're gay works anymore. I think if you have AIDS you can get out of it though. :p
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Dude, seriously get out of America right now. Overall I'm against war, but if we were to be invaded it's not as much of a war as it is self-defense. You would just run to Mexico? You're a little coward dude, and I seriously hope you don't plan on dating the opposite sex because based on that response, you are in no position whatsoever to protect and care for a woman. It's this kind of attitude that has thrown America into a crap hole. There isn't any humanitarianism anymore. People would rather run away from a situation that, in their mind they aren't involved in, just to save their own ***, instead of doing something to help someone else. What a shitty thing to say man, if you don't believe in preserving this country's ideals, get the **** out already.
Total pussy, I know, but I never agree with any conflict, especially on that scale.
All that needs to be said. Covers my *** beautifully, too.
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As of yesterday, the 14th, we're back to 70US cents. We're coming back.
And only a month until Left 4 Dead...
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As of yesterday, the 14th, we're back to 70US cents. We're coming back.
And only a month until Left 4 Dead...
Damn I want that fucken game!
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Same here, but I'll have to wait a little bit before I can get it. I've got to get my hands on Far Cry 2, after all.
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That was the word, Conscientious Objector. I've only heard the term once in the last month because I got Selective Service forms in the mail for being 18. I don't have any problem with Selective Services, honestly, but it depends heavily on the situation. If I get drafted in because we get invaded by Russia or WWIII, etc, I'm all for, I may even join the military. But if it's 'cuz we get ourselves into more bullshit with the middle east, I'd be pissed. Though I realize the draft is a last resort in desperate situations.
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bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch
Get the stick out of your ***. If he says he doesn't want to fight in a war, whatever the reason is, then leave him be.
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This Thread Is:
Ace: BITCHBITCHBITCHBITCH lol
Meiscool: Hey, cut that out.
Ace: IT'S JUST A FORUM LIGHTEN UP GOD DAMN IT I HAVE (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/AOS18/ctnu.gif) IN MY SIG.
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Last time I half-defend you. :) :) :)
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Can a charas thread ever not devolve into drama?
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It's a curse
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It always mutates into humor afterwards, though. It's an amazing fail-safe, dudes.
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Politics can make or break friendships. We're all entitled to our opinion, and I can see why someone doesn't want to go to war. In all seriousness nobody does. But not even defending your home when it's, not threatened by an invasion, but is being invaded? That's more than pussy man; I can't even think of a word for it.
And hell yes I has Nu in my sig. All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu.
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Life begins with L, jackass.
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Not gonna lie though, even though this economic recession sucks and everything, I'm not really on my own yet so I'm not entirely affected. And gas being like $2.60 is seriously helping me out, what with what I do have to pay for. (tuition, gas, insurance, etc)
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Politics can make or break friendships. We're all entitled to our opinion, and I can see why someone doesn't want to go to war. In all seriousness nobody does. But not even defending your home when it's, not threatened by an invasion, but is being invaded? That's more than pussy man; I can't even think of a word for it.
Yeah, it's quite cowardly. But the cowards will stay with your girls while you're all fighting wars. Nah, joking...
I'm not sure what I would do in case of invasion... I'll probably hide as well and let others defend me. :)
About the recession thing, I didn't notice any changes yet. Well, changes that affects me, I mean. I can't wait to see them! ...not really.
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Politics can make or break friendships. We're all entitled to our opinion, and I can see why someone doesn't want to go to war. In all seriousness nobody does. But not even defending your home when it's, not threatened by an invasion, but is being invaded? That's more than pussy man; I can't even think of a word for it.
As long as I have freedom to do as I wish, to hell with what you want to call me. Sticks and stones, after all.
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So you're all for having freedom, but you won't fight to preserve it? How shameful.
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Sticks and stones.
The best thing to do is learn that you can't change how I feel about any matter ever. Stubborn as a mule, as they say.
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So you're all for having freedom, but you won't fight to preserve it? How shameful.
Shameful or not, he has the freedom to not do so and express it. That's the beauty of it, as they say. Personally, I believe freedom shouldn't be something you have to fight for. We all have free will. However, when authority figures try to change that, they can only get as far as you're willing to let them. Actually, if he dies living for freedom because he goes against how one may try to restrict him, then essentially he was fighting for freedom and died for it. Thus, freedom is the freedom to not fight for freedom and peacefully dying in the name of freedom translates to fighting for freedom by the definition of fighting for a cause, and there is no way to die shamefully living for freedom.
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Hmm. I had a very similar sentiment going through my head throughout this mini-subject, but I held off from saying it because I felt it would come out as an almost mocking comment (knowing my use of words, this is almost a guarantee). Interesting to see that someone else would think this, and that it could be put into unoffensive words.
Doesn't matter. Each person's opinion will screen anything they see or hear to match what they want it to be. I'll scan it to see a full agreement with my mindset, others may see it as defending the guilty, others still may see it as a view from the other side, but not a convincing argument. Still, though. Nice to see what seems like a middle ground point of view.
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66 cents. Fuuuuck.
And I know it's probably wrong of me to update about my meaningless currency in the middle of a more important conversation.
I'm sorry.
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Yeah, you shouldn't tell us how your economy is in a thread about economic recession.
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The pound is currently at $1.73. Just 27 cents more and we're cruisin'.
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You know it's getting bad when the Canadian dollar outdoes the American dollar.
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Where can I check how much one euro is?